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Wow Elvira's lasik story is really sad and among the worse ive seen!
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I had Lasik to both eyes in June of 2004, with disastrous
complications. Prior to surgery, my vision was correcting to 20/15
both eyes (which I was not told) and I had trace cataracts both eyes.
After surgery, I immediately lost my close up and intermediate vision.
My right eye corrected to 20/20 and my left eye was overcorrected and I
could see nothing near or far, everything was fuzzy.
4 days after Lasik, my vision started regressing and the doctor told me
that it appeared that both my eyes had over reacted to the laser.
Within 3 months my eyes started burning terribly and I could not sleep
without Ambien. A year later, I have had to retire, can no longer work
because I am unable to sleep even with sleeping pills, I only sleep 1
to 3 hours a night and am unable to drive due to my lack of sleep and
loss of vision. I do not want to endanger anyone's life if I were to
get behind the wheel of the car. My eyes are extremely dry, I have
lost most of my eyelashes because my tear glands are clogged and I no
longer have normal tears. I have constant headaches, which no amount
of pain medication helps. I had torn shoulder rotator cuff surgery
about 5 months before my Lasik and I am told that this is the most
painful surgery you can have, no the Lasik burning eyes are worse.
Since the surgery, I have now found out that I was not a good
candidate, unfortunately I trusted my doctor and he did not tell me the
truth. There were at least 6 to 7 red flags that the doctor should
have caught and told me about.
1. Trace cataracts both eyes
2. very dry eyes
3. instability of prescription changed about 3 or 4 times in 9 months
4. high prescription in my left eye
5. large pupils
6. my age put me in a higher risk factor.
According to the FDA web site: http://www.fda.gov/cdrh/LASIK/when.htm,
large pupils, dry eyes and cataracts are contraindications for lasik
surgery. I did not know that the FDA had a web site prior to my lasik.
And of course, my eye doctor did not tell me. The FDA also mandates
doctors to provide any patients that are interested in lasik with a
patient information booklet as soon as they ask about lasik. My eye
doctor does not provide it. Why does the FDA even require this, if
they do not monitor it? The doctors know that the FDA does not do its
job; therefore, doctors are not complying.
All the problems that I started having after Lasik, my doctor has
questioned and now states that it is all mental. It is NOT!! Most
women wear make up and see their faces and eyes daily, most of my
lashes are gone. My eyelids are starting to droop and I specifically
asked my doctor about this and he said that it had never happened to
anyone. My left eye which is my dominant eye is completely ruined and
my doctor insists on re-lasering it. No way! If he could not get it
right the first time, what makes him think he will get it right the
next time? My eyes are so dry and I get sharp stabbing pains around my
eyes, in my head. I am now afraid that I may have damage to my optic
nerves and something has gone wrong with the pain control center in my
brain. I have taken up to 12 Naproxen at one time for pain, up to 8
Ultram or Ultrace, up to 10 Tylenol and nothing helps. Prior to Lasik,
I would take 1 aspirin and everything would clear up. Prior to Lasik,
for my shoulder surgery, I would take 1 Ultram and I would sleep for 4
hours straight, no pain. There has to be something wrong with the pain
center in my brain. Prior to lasik, I always slept a good 8 to 10
hours every night. I rarely watched the 10 p.m. news because I would
fall asleep. After Lasik, even Ambien or Resistoril or Remeron do not
help. One night I was desperate and took 9 Ambien. 9 Ambien should
put a horse to sleep for 1 week, I only slept about 3 hours. Something
is wrong between my eyes and the pain center in my brain. Think about
it, the eyes are connected directly to the brain and if something goes
wrong, how can anyone know how far the laser light goes and does
damage? If a laser pointer can be pointed at someone's eyes and blind
them, imagine what a greater strength laser can do? Having Lasik
surgery has been the worst mistake of my life. It has literally cost me
my life. I have cried every day for over the past 16 months. I have
tried approximately 18 anti depressants without any success as most of
them make my eyes drier and I sleep even less. My life is ruined,
unfortunately I am not the only one paying the price. My husband is ill
and now his life is ruined. These were supposed to be our golden years,
where we were going to travel, go fishing, take it easy, but because a
doctor was so greedy he did not tell me the truth about my impending
Lasik failure, others are also paying the price, my sons, my daughter
in law, my sisters, my father, my friends, my neighbors. I have been
hospitalized 4 times in the past year and I am still not doing any
better. This is so true that it is scary. I feel that I have been and
am still in hell for over the past year. It is so very true that Money
(greed) is the root of all evil. The American public should be aware
that with Lasik surgery there is a mass human experiment going on and
only the future will tell how many people will be disabled due to the
greediness of doctors.
I believe that to try to ease his conscience, the doctor sent me a huge
plant with a get well card and a gift basket from the coffee emporium,
provided me with 2 pairs of glasses at his cost and this last pair he
did not charge me. I have had other expensive surgeries and the
doctors never even sent me a get well card, just a bill for the balance
of their services. Why would this doctor send me these gifts? I
believe the doctor knows deep in his heart that he made a mistake and
he is probably afraid of a lawsuit. Lawsuit? If it were in my power,
I want the whole world to know what can really happen with Lasik
surgery. Why on earth I allowed a man calling himself a doctor to play
God with my eyes and cut and burn them, I will never know. I made the
mistake of believing and trusting what a doctor and his well trained
staff told me. I believed a doctor who took an oath to do no harm.
Even though I signed the consent form, as another lasik victim says
"the consent form does not give the doctor the right to do surgery on
someone who should not have the procedure. The consent form you sign
has you taking all the risks and the doctor taking none even if he
screws up!" I thought that that is what I was paying the doctor
for, his expertise, knowledge and integrity to screen me as to whether
I was a good candidate or not. I pray that God watch over others that
are considering Lasik and have them research it before they do it. As
for me, it is too late and it has completely ruined my life, I had a
wonderful life and I just now exist from day to day. Remember, you only
have one pair of eyes and Lasik is major, major surgery. Do not risk
your God given blessings.
In May of 2005 at a follow-up appointment with Dr. David Doka of Doka
and Vasquez, Dr. Doka told me that I was extremely selfish for not
wanting to have my left eye retreated (enhanced) and that he could see
that I was a burden to my family and that I was in no mental capacity
to make decisions but that I should have my left eye retreated. He
also told me very angrily to stop doing all this research on the
internet and told me that most women who make it into their 50's get
depressed and many think of suicide. That his grandmother had
committed suicide in the early 1900s. What his grandmother had to do
with me, I do not know. Maybe the doctor is hoping that I commit
suicide. How can someone take an oath not to commit harm and yet let
their greed overtake them. Ruin someone's life for money? I could
never do that. And of course, keep me in the dark; stop doing all this
research, which is what I should have done before trusting him and
having the lasik! He did not want me to find out that there have been
many, many lasik casualties. The doctors have quite a bit of money,
have power, and pay their Political Action Committees so that bad
results can be hidden from the public. Rarely hear about bad results
in the newspaper. Why, one local doctor advertises heavily in it, the
paper would lose advertising dollars. The local T.V. stations do not
want to air the stories, because again, several doctors advertise and
they would lose revenue dollars, not to mention the fact that several
news anchors have had lasik done for free by a local doctor for the
free publicity.
It has been over 16 months since the terrible surgery and I wake up
with terrible pains in my eyes and sticky, sticky eye moisture. My
sons do not want to see me and no longer come to see me, my sisters
have not called me in over 1 year. One of my sisters had Lasik about 4
years before I did and when I called her the day before to tell her I
was scheduled for Lasik, she did not warn me. Months later she
claimed that she tells everyone it is not worth it because she wears 3
different pairs of glasses during the day, her eyes are dry and she is
losing sleep. My sister could have warned me and saved my life! But
for whatever reason she did not, I do not know, but I truly feel that
she now feels guilty. When I was working, I thought I had a huge
circle of friends, I no longer have any friends except maybe one and
the new friends that I have come to know because they too are lasik
casualties.
After Dr. Doka told me about his grandmother committing suicide, even
though suicide is against every thing I have believed all my life, I
felt at the time that it was the only answer to my family's
suffering, my suffering and my having become a burden. My husband and
I have worked for close to 40 years each and we were going to enjoy our
golden years. Without quality of life, quantity of life is not living.
My husband is angry at me because in June of 2005 I tried to overdose
and unfortunately I did it during he day when he was here and I was
rushed to the hospital in time to be saved. My husband is very ill and
had to quit his job to monitor me. When Dr. Doka told me about his
grandmother, he planted the seed of suicide in me.
My husband says that he believes me when I tell him that my eyes hurt
and burn but that I have to keep pursuing going to the doctors. I have
been to the hospital 3 or 4 times after the Lasik surgery, they can do
nothing. Of course Dr. Doka who did the surgery sees nothing and says
that it is all mental and he can do nothing, because he sees nothing
wrong, except for striae, which are wrinkles in the flaps! He sent me
to two different doctors for another opinion and they both agreed that
I need to have my left eye "enhanced". No, no, no. If Dr. Doka
could not get it right the first time, what makes him think that
someone else will get it right. I e-mailed a world-renowned doctor in
California who also does lasik and he advised me that if I do have
cataracts to not have any more corneal surgery. When I e-mailed this
doctor's opinion and web site to Dr. Doka, I did not get a response
from Dr. Doka. Now Dr. Doka says he never heard of a Lasik case going
bad. Do I believe him? NO, the doctors get together at conferences
and compare notes. What about the burning and the pain? Neither
doctor responded to this. There is nothing in this whole world that
anyone can do about Lasik damage. I have seen about 4 or 5 different
psychiatrists and they either think I am bipolar or schizophrenic. I
wish that I were bipolar, at least that way I would have moments of
happiness. I have not had one happy moment since I started having
complications. They do agree that I am in a severe depression. I have
been to my family doctor, a grief counselor and a psychologist, nothing
helps. Even with sleeping pills whether I stay up late or not, it
takes me anywhere from 2 to 3 hours to fall asleep and then I have
nightmares. It has been over 16 months that I have had a normal
night's sleep. I do not believe that I will ever be able to have the
sweet restful sleep of a normal person while I still live.
Thanks to Dr. Doka who felt that money was more important than telling
me the truth, the complete truth, I have lost my quality of life and so
has my family. Actually, I have lost my life; I just exist from day to
day. The only reason I can type on the computer is because I learned
touch typing years ago and do not need to see the keys, but even so, I
have problems. I know that this cannot go on much longer. I can fully
understand why the psychiatrist that had a bad Lasik outcome committed
suicide. I cannot go on and let my husband feel like a prisoner and
hate and resent my (our) situation every day. I cannot go on with this
pain and suffering. Well, the Lasik not only ruined my eyes, it also
ruined my life and that of my family and friends. Dr. Doka, I started
working when I was 12 years old to help my family out financially. I
did not come from a well to do background. In my 52 years of life,
this was the first big ticket (luxury) item that I was going to
purchase for myself. This was the largest amount of money that I was
spending on myself for the first time in my life. I never dreamed or
imagined that it would blow up in my face and ruin my life. I trusted
doctors as one had saved my life almost 20 years ago. I trusted
Dr.Doka completely, even when he said the prayer the day before
surgery, I had no idea how truly risky this surgery was. I was so
excited about not needing to wear glasses, I forgot my common sense.
How a doctor can use the Lord and say a prayer to increase his
business is strictly evil as far as I am concerned. Yes, the doctor
asked me if he could say a prayer and I said yes. I think probably he
was praying that I would not back out. I specifically asked you and
several of your staff how long it took the flap to heal and you all
said "eventually". You all played with words so as to not tell the
truth, studies have shown that the flap never heals. I worked all my
life to enjoy my retirement and now I have nothing. I do not want to
go out because I cry and cry, it takes me weeks or months to shower
because the water hurts and burns my eyes. Prior to lasik, my husband
and I went everywhere together, the store, parties, to visit relatives,
the carwash, you name it. We were rarely home and had many friends. I
loved working in my garden, doing my housework, taking care of my
puppies. I had a simple, wonderful routine. Now that we have the time,
I do not want to go anywhere, I do not want to do anything, my eyes
feel like they have a constant infection, I am always exhausted due to
lack of and poor sleep, I usually do not care what or if I eat. I
cannot even watch TV comfortably, because my eyes hurt. I basically do
not care about anything, except my husband. Because of my lasik
complications, I have become a prisoner of my body and in my home. So
far, nothing, absolutely nothing gives me relief or comfort. What I
would give to have my eyes stop hurting for at least 5 minutes.
My husband is extremely upset because I have tried to overdose. But
time is not making my eyes better. It seems that time is making my
eyes worse. The only person that can end this insanity is myself. My
heart tells me one thing and my head tells me another. But this pain
and suffering has to be put to an end so that my husband can enjoy
whatever time he has of his life, as he has congestive heart failure
and diabetes due to exposure to Agent Orange when he served in Vietnam,
and maybe that way my sons will come visit him as they no longer come
to see me. And of course, selfishly so that I do not suffer the
constant pain and burning in my eyes. I was going to take care of my
husband as his diabetes got worse, because I was the healthier of the
two. Now I cannot even drive to the store, much less take care of him.
My family will never truly understand what I am and have been
going through these past 16 months. The only people who can truly
understand are those people that have suffered bad Lasik outcomes and
have been wonderful in spending hours and hours talking to me and
trying to help me.
Whatever I may decide to do in the future, I just pray that the
Good Lord forgives me, I can no longer be selfish and continue putting
my family through this. Though I know that many things in life are a
risk, some risks you cannot afford to take, lasik is one of the risks
that you cannot afford to take, especially when the doctor may has lost
sight of his integrity. Late at night when I am trying to sleep, and
think of everything that I lost because I gambled my eyes, it is so
very almost impossible to tolerate. I wish so much that I had never
had the lasik, but it is too late, what is done is done and there is no
undoing it, the lasik is permanent.
If you are considering Lasik, please, please research it
completely. I only wish that someone had warned me and my life would
be normal and it would not be ruined. Truly, truly, I feel that I have
nothing to live for except my husband, but what good does it do if he
is so unhappy. We will all die eventually and I am not afraid of
death, I am more afraid of continuing to live like this.
Just as the Lord will hold me accountable for my actions, I know
he will also hold Dr. Doka accountable for his actions.
(This was written by Elvira G. Galindo, Wed, 19 Oct 2005)
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| Ace: Did you get this woman's permission to repost her website in its
entirety here?
Why do you keep posting other people's stuff here? If you don't have
anything to say, why don't you go out and play?
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~RT
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| she made her story public to spread the truth on lasik. Many others
have posted stories like those in forums. If you have nothing nice to
say, dont post. I extend my consolences for her 
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| Lasik Complications 2005-12-17, 1:04 am |
| RT
Leave Ace alone. Ace has my permission to to repost here and
everywhere Ace wants to. I only wish I had it in my power to let the
whole world know that lasik surgery is a very serious, serious, risky
surgery to your very delicate eyes and exactly what happened to me.
What Ace is doing is providing a service by telling the other side of
the story. The side the surgeons do not want the general public to
know. Why does it bother you so much? And yet as bad as my story is,
there are othe people that are worse, because they are legally blind.
Lasik Complications
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| serebel 2005-12-17, 1:04 am |
| Just another bull story. 12 naprox, 10 tylenol, 8 ultram, at a time you
wouldn't have a stomach or liver left.
9 ambien would probably put you in a coma for a while. I've seen this
same story posted on SE before 2004.
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| Lasik Complications 2005-12-17, 1:04 am |
| Maybe the Lord still wants me here for a reason. Lasik Complications
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| Glenn - USAEyes.org 2005-12-17, 1:04 am |
| It would have been more proper to post a paragraph about her
experience, and then a link to her website.
Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
USAEyes.org
"Consider and Choose With Confidence"
Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
I am not a doctor.
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| Thanks! You are right, there is nothing to hide about lasik! People
post the truth about lasik all the time and if someone gets mad, hes
either in denial or wants the truth hidden! You are absolutely right
lasik is something serious to a very important organ, your eyes and
vision.
What was your pescription before lasik? If you were correctable to
20/15 thats just amazing, especially if you were a high myope because
glasses make things smaller so the 20/15 line would be absolutely tiny!
I can be corrected to 20/30 with -5 glasses, the 20/25 line is too
small.
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| CatmanX 2005-12-17, 11:00 am |
| This is another example of some dumb american XXXXer who rushes in with
rose coloured glasses then wants to blame everyone else for a problem
they created.
Ace is nothing better than a whoremonger looking up crap that is
irrelevantto justify his own pathetic existance.
Did daddy let you post this one Ace or were you naughty and looked up
the internet without daddy's permission???
What do trace cataracts have to do with Lasik and its complications??
Nothing.
Who judged the prescription changes?? You Ace? You are an expert at
measuring prescriptions.
Who assessed the dry eye prior to surgery?
How high was the prescription in the left eye? It is not mentioned.
What is the pupil size? You don't mention it.
What does age have to do with Lasik complicstions??
This is a hysterical rant by what at least one doctor has diagnosed as
a total nutter. WHy do we need to have this rubbish posted here?? Ace
is a nutter also who has nothing better to do with his time. Maybe
daddy has grounded him for being a naughty boy again?????
If ytou are going to post here, make it so there is some objectivity
and fact in the post, not your hysterical BS.
By the way, can you describe your 5 phase plan again, I was talking to
a refractive surgeon the other day who was unable to talk from the
laughter. He did not believe anyone could be so stupid. I told him
there was someone who was and I would show him the post.
dr grant
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| Ragnar 2005-12-17, 11:00 am |
| Ace... please refrain from playiing the part of pawn by the
malcontents. Quite often, people such as Sandy, will author a
tall-tale of woe, and then have it propagated arount the internet.
With 10,000,000 procedures, it is a bit absurd to be fishing for
anything negative and posting it here. are you also going to post the
other 9,999,999 results?
The story below is very fishy. If the person had 20/15 vision prior
to surgery.... why on earth did they have surgery done?
For instance.. I am blessed with a completely full head of dark brown
hair with no visible gray hairs. It would be just as silly for me to
dye my hair or have hair plugs put in as it is for someone with 20/15
vision to have lasik surgery.
BTW.. the entire story below is a work of fiction. You have been
duped, ACE.
On 16 Dec 2005 13:06:04 -0800, "Ace" <acemanvx@yahoo.com> wrote:
>http://www.drdoka.com
>
>
>I had Lasik to both eyes in June of 2004, with disastrous
>complications. Prior to surgery, my vision was correcting to 20/15
>both eyes (which I was not told) and I had trace cataracts both eyes.
>After surgery, I immediately lost my close up and intermediate vision.
>My right eye corrected to 20/20 and my left eye was overcorrected and I
>could see nothing near or far, everything was fuzzy.
>4 days after Lasik, my vision started regressing and the doctor told me
>that it appeared that both my eyes had over reacted to the laser.
>Within 3 months my eyes started burning terribly and I could not sleep
>without Ambien. A year later, I have had to retire, can no longer work
>because I am unable to sleep even with sleeping pills, I only sleep 1
>to 3 hours a night and am unable to drive due to my lack of sleep and
>loss of vision. I do not want to endanger anyone's life if I were to
>get behind the wheel of the car. My eyes are extremely dry, I have
>lost most of my eyelashes because my tear glands are clogged and I no
>longer have normal tears. I have constant headaches, which no amount
>of pain medication helps. I had torn shoulder rotator cuff surgery
>about 5 months before my Lasik and I am told that this is the most
>painful surgery you can have, no the Lasik burning eyes are worse.
>Since the surgery, I have now found out that I was not a good
>candidate, unfortunately I trusted my doctor and he did not tell me the
>truth. There were at least 6 to 7 red flags that the doctor should
>have caught and told me about.
>
>1. Trace cataracts both eyes
>2. very dry eyes
>3. instability of prescription changed about 3 or 4 times in 9 months
>4. high prescription in my left eye
>5. large pupils
>6. my age put me in a higher risk factor.
>
> According to the FDA web site: http://www.fda.gov/cdrh/LASIK/when.htm,
>large pupils, dry eyes and cataracts are contraindications for lasik
>surgery. I did not know that the FDA had a web site prior to my lasik.
> And of course, my eye doctor did not tell me. The FDA also mandates
>doctors to provide any patients that are interested in lasik with a
>patient information booklet as soon as they ask about lasik. My eye
>doctor does not provide it. Why does the FDA even require this, if
>they do not monitor it? The doctors know that the FDA does not do its
>job; therefore, doctors are not complying.
>
>All the problems that I started having after Lasik, my doctor has
>questioned and now states that it is all mental. It is NOT!! Most
>women wear make up and see their faces and eyes daily, most of my
>lashes are gone. My eyelids are starting to droop and I specifically
>asked my doctor about this and he said that it had never happened to
>anyone. My left eye which is my dominant eye is completely ruined and
>my doctor insists on re-lasering it. No way! If he could not get it
>right the first time, what makes him think he will get it right the
>next time? My eyes are so dry and I get sharp stabbing pains around my
>eyes, in my head. I am now afraid that I may have damage to my optic
>nerves and something has gone wrong with the pain control center in my
>brain. I have taken up to 12 Naproxen at one time for pain, up to 8
>Ultram or Ultrace, up to 10 Tylenol and nothing helps. Prior to Lasik,
>I would take 1 aspirin and everything would clear up. Prior to Lasik,
>for my shoulder surgery, I would take 1 Ultram and I would sleep for 4
>hours straight, no pain. There has to be something wrong with the pain
>center in my brain. Prior to lasik, I always slept a good 8 to 10
>hours every night. I rarely watched the 10 p.m. news because I would
>fall asleep. After Lasik, even Ambien or Resistoril or Remeron do not
>help. One night I was desperate and took 9 Ambien. 9 Ambien should
>put a horse to sleep for 1 week, I only slept about 3 hours. Something
>is wrong between my eyes and the pain center in my brain. Think about
>it, the eyes are connected directly to the brain and if something goes
>wrong, how can anyone know how far the laser light goes and does
>damage? If a laser pointer can be pointed at someone's eyes and blind
>them, imagine what a greater strength laser can do? Having Lasik
>surgery has been the worst mistake of my life. It has literally cost me
>my life. I have cried every day for over the past 16 months. I have
>tried approximately 18 anti depressants without any success as most of
>them make my eyes drier and I sleep even less. My life is ruined,
>unfortunately I am not the only one paying the price. My husband is ill
>and now his life is ruined. These were supposed to be our golden years,
>where we were going to travel, go fishing, take it easy, but because a
>doctor was so greedy he did not tell me the truth about my impending
>Lasik failure, others are also paying the price, my sons, my daughter
>in law, my sisters, my father, my friends, my neighbors. I have been
>hospitalized 4 times in the past year and I am still not doing any
>better. This is so true that it is scary. I feel that I have been and
>am still in hell for over the past year. It is so very true that Money
>(greed) is the root of all evil. The American public should be aware
>that with Lasik surgery there is a mass human experiment going on and
>only the future will tell how many people will be disabled due to the
>greediness of doctors.
>
>I believe that to try to ease his conscience, the doctor sent me a huge
>plant with a get well card and a gift basket from the coffee emporium,
>provided me with 2 pairs of glasses at his cost and this last pair he
>did not charge me. I have had other expensive surgeries and the
>doctors never even sent me a get well card, just a bill for the balance
>of their services. Why would this doctor send me these gifts? I
>believe the doctor knows deep in his heart that he made a mistake and
>he is probably afraid of a lawsuit. Lawsuit? If it were in my power,
>I want the whole world to know what can really happen with Lasik
>surgery. Why on earth I allowed a man calling himself a doctor to play
>God with my eyes and cut and burn them, I will never know. I made the
>mistake of believing and trusting what a doctor and his well trained
>staff told me. I believed a doctor who took an oath to do no harm.
>Even though I signed the consent form, as another lasik victim says
>"the consent form does not give the doctor the right to do surgery on
>someone who should not have the procedure. The consent form you sign
>has you taking all the risks and the doctor taking none even if he
>screws up!" I thought that that is what I was paying the doctor
>for, his expertise, knowledge and integrity to screen me as to whether
>I was a good candidate or not. I pray that God watch over others that
>are considering Lasik and have them research it before they do it. As
>for me, it is too late and it has completely ruined my life, I had a
>wonderful life and I just now exist from day to day. Remember, you only
>have one pair of eyes and Lasik is major, major surgery. Do not risk
>your God given blessings.
>
>In May of 2005 at a follow-up appointment with Dr. David Doka of Doka
>and Vasquez, Dr. Doka told me that I was extremely selfish for not
>wanting to have my left eye retreated (enhanced) and that he could see
>that I was a burden to my family and that I was in no mental capacity
>to make decisions but that I should have my left eye retreated. He
>also told me very angrily to stop doing all this research on the
>internet and told me that most women who make it into their 50's get
>depressed and many think of suicide. That his grandmother had
>committed suicide in the early 1900s. What his grandmother had to do
>with me, I do not know. Maybe the doctor is hoping that I commit
>suicide. How can someone take an oath not to commit harm and yet let
>their greed overtake them. Ruin someone's life for money? I could
>never do that. And of course, keep me in the dark; stop doing all this
>research, which is what I should have done before trusting him and
>having the lasik! He did not want me to find out that there have been
>many, many lasik casualties. The doctors have quite a bit of money,
>have power, and pay their Political Action Committees so that bad
>results can be hidden from the public. Rarely hear about bad results
>in the newspaper. Why, one local doctor advertises heavily in it, the
>paper would lose advertising dollars. The local T.V. stations do not
>want to air the stories, because again, several doctors advertise and
>they would lose revenue dollars, not to mention the fact that several
>news anchors have had lasik done for free by a local doctor for the
>free publicity.
>
> It has been over 16 months since the terrible surgery and I wake up
>with terrible pains in my eyes and sticky, sticky eye moisture. My
>sons do not want to see me and no longer come to see me, my sisters
>have not called me in over 1 year. One of my sisters had Lasik about 4
>years before I did and when I called her the day before to tell her I
>was scheduled for Lasik, she did not warn me. Months later she
>claimed that she tells everyone it is not worth it because she wears 3
>different pairs of glasses during the day, her eyes are dry and she is
>losing sleep. My sister could have warned me and saved my life! But
>for whatever reason she did not, I do not know, but I truly feel that
>she now feels guilty. When I was working, I thought I had a huge
>circle of friends, I no longer have any friends except maybe one and
>the new friends that I have come to know because they too are lasik
>casualties.
>
>After Dr. Doka told me about his grandmother committing suicide, even
>though suicide is against every thing I have believed all my life, I
>felt at the time that it was the only answer to my family's
>suffering, my suffering and my having become a burden. My husband and
>I have worked for close to 40 years each and we were going to enjoy our
>golden years. Without quality of life, quantity of life is not living.
> My husband is angry at me because in June of 2005 I tried to overdose
>and unfortunately I did it during he day when he was here and I was
>rushed to the hospital in time to be saved. My husband is very ill and
>had to quit his job to monitor me. When Dr. Doka told me about his
>grandmother, he planted the seed of suicide in me.
>
> My husband says that he believes me when I tell him that my eyes hurt
>and burn but that I have to keep pursuing going to the doctors. I have
>been to the hospital 3 or 4 times after the Lasik surgery, they can do
>nothing. Of course Dr. Doka who did the surgery sees nothing and says
>that it is all mental and he can do nothing, because he sees nothing
>wrong, except for striae, which are wrinkles in the flaps! He sent me
>to two different doctors for another opinion and they both agreed that
>I need to have my left eye "enhanced". No, no, no. If Dr. Doka
>could not get it right the first time, what makes him think that
>someone else will get it right. I e-mailed a world-renowned doctor in
>California who also does lasik and he advised me that if I do have
>cataracts to not have any more corneal surgery. When I e-mailed this
>doctor's opinion and web site to Dr. Doka, I did not get a response
>from Dr. Doka. Now Dr. Doka says he never heard of a Lasik case going
>bad. Do I believe him? NO, the doctors get together at conferences
>and compare notes. What about the burning and the pain? Neither
>doctor responded to this. There is nothing in this whole world that
>anyone can do about Lasik damage. I have seen about 4 or 5 different
>psychiatrists and they either think I am bipolar or schizophrenic. I
>wish that I were bipolar, at least that way I would have moments of
>happiness. I have not had one happy moment since I started having
>complications. They do agree that I am in a severe depression. I have
>been to my family doctor, a grief counselor and a psychologist, nothing
>helps. Even with sleeping pills whether I stay up late or not, it
>takes me anywhere from 2 to 3 hours to fall asleep and then I have
>nightmares. It has been over 16 months that I have had a normal
>night's sleep. I do not believe that I will ever be able to have the
>sweet restful sleep of a normal person while I still live.
>
> Thanks to Dr. Doka who felt that money was more important than telling
>me the truth, the complete truth, I have lost my quality of life and so
>has my family. Actually, I have lost my life; I just exist from day to
>day. The only reason I can type on the computer is because I learned
>touch typing years ago and do not need to see the keys, but even so, I
>have problems. I know that this cannot go on much longer. I can fully
>understand why the psychiatrist that had a bad Lasik outcome committed
>suicide. I cannot go on and let my husband feel like a prisoner and
>hate and resent my (our) situation every day. I cannot go on with this
>pain and suffering. Well, the Lasik not only ruined my eyes, it also
>ruined my life and that of my family and friends. Dr. Doka, I started
>working when I was 12 years old to help my family out financially. I
>did not come from a well to do background. In my 52 years of life,
>this was the first big ticket (luxury) item that I was going to
>purchase for myself. This was the largest amount of money that I was
>spending on myself for the first time in my life. I never dreamed or
>imagined that it would blow up in my face and ruin my life. I trusted
>doctors as one had saved my life almost 20 years ago. I trusted
>Dr.Doka completely, even when he said the prayer the day before
>surgery, I had no idea how truly risky this surgery was. I was so
>excited about not needing to wear glasses, I forgot my common sense.
>How a doctor can use the Lord and say a prayer to increase his
>business is strictly evil as far as I am concerned. Yes, the doctor
>asked me if he could say a prayer and I said yes. I think probably he
>was praying that I would not back out. I specifically asked you and
>several of your staff how long it took the flap to heal and you all
>said "eventually". You all played with words so as to not tell the
>truth, studies have shown that the flap never heals. I worked all my
>life to enjoy my retirement and now I have nothing. I do not want to
>go out because I cry and cry, it takes me weeks or months to shower
>because the water hurts and burns my eyes. Prior to lasik, my husband
>and I went everywhere together, the store, parties, to visit relatives,
>the carwash, you name it. We were rarely home and had many friends. I
>loved working in my garden, doing my housework, taking care of my
>puppies. I had a simple, wonderful routine. Now that we have the time,
>I do not want to go anywhere, I do not want to do anything, my eyes
>feel like they have a constant infection, I am always exhausted due to
>lack of and poor sleep, I usually do not care what or if I eat. I
>cannot even watch TV comfortably, because my eyes hurt. I basically do
>not care about anything, except my husband. Because of my lasik
>complications, I have become a prisoner of my body and in my home. So
>far, nothing, absolutely nothing gives me relief or comfort. What I
>would give to have my eyes stop hurting for at least 5 minutes.
>
> My husband is extremely upset because I have tried to overdose. But
>time is not making my eyes better. It seems that time is making my
>eyes worse. The only person that can end this insanity is myself. My
>heart tells me one thing and my head tells me another. But this pain
>and suffering has to be put to an end so that my husband can enjoy
>whatever time he has of his life, as he has congestive heart failure
>and diabetes due to exposure to Agent Orange when he served in Vietnam,
>and maybe that way my sons will come visit him as they no longer come
>to see me. And of course, selfishly so that I do not suffer the
>constant pain and burning in my eyes. I was going to take care of my
>husband as his diabetes got worse, because I was the healthier of the
>two. Now I cannot even drive to the store, much less take care of him.
>
> My family will never truly understand what I am and have been
>going through these past 16 months. The only people who can truly
>understand are those people that have suffered bad Lasik outcomes and
>have been wonderful in spending hours and hours talking to me and
>trying to help me.
>
> Whatever I may decide to do in the future, I just pray that the
>Good Lord forgives me, I can no longer be selfish and continue putting
>my family through this. Though I know that many things in life are a
>risk, some risks you cannot afford to take, lasik is one of the risks
>that you cannot afford to take, especially when the doctor may has lost
>sight of his integrity. Late at night when I am trying to sleep, and
>think of everything that I lost because I gambled my eyes, it is so
>very almost impossible to tolerate. I wish so much that I had never
>had the lasik, but it is too late, what is done is done and there is no
>undoing it, the lasik is permanent.
>
> If you are considering Lasik, please, please research it
>completely. I only wish that someone had warned me and my life would
>be normal and it would not be ruined. Truly, truly, I feel that I have
>nothing to live for except my husband, but what good does it do if he
>is so unhappy. We will all die eventually and I am not afraid of
>death, I am more afraid of continuing to live like this.
>
> Just as the Lord will hold me accountable for my actions, I know
>he will also hold Dr. Doka accountable for his actions.
>
> (This was written by Elvira G. Galindo, Wed, 19 Oct 2005)
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| Ragnar 2005-12-17, 11:00 am |
| Bingo again RT.... with enemies like you, who needs friends..hehe
I am dubious of Ace's intentions here.
On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 21:47:18 GMT, RT <RTMD24@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
>Ace: Did you get this woman's permission to repost her website in its
>entirety here?
>Why do you keep posting other people's stuff here? If you don't have
>anything to say, why don't you go out and play?
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| Ragnar 2005-12-17, 11:00 am |
| spread the truth? more like spread the fertilizer.
If you want to express your condolences, send the lady a Hallmark
card. I doubt this lady and her mythical story even reads this
newsgroup.
Following your own advice is a good idea..." if you have nothing nice
to say, don't post."
On 16 Dec 2005 15:55:11 -0800, "Ace" <acemanvx@yahoo.com> wrote:
>she made her story public to spread the truth on lasik. Many others
>have posted stories like those in forums. If you have nothing nice to
>say, dont post. I extend my consolences for her
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| Ragnor, when I first started reading your postings it did not like you.
But now you are starting to grow on me. I understand now, You, Ace,
CatmanX, Glen, Serebel and RT all have this love hate relation thing
going on here. Can I please be part of this group? I want to show all
of you my intelligence or lack there of!
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| Ragnar 2005-12-17, 11:00 am |
| I just got off the phone with the Lord. He says you are working for
Beezlebub.
On 16 Dec 2005 21:28:10 -0800, "Lasik Complications"
<galin99do@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Maybe the Lord still wants me here for a reason. Lasik Complications
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| In article <1134830089.090388.243490@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
"Zig" <zig@tlcbigskylasercenter.com> wrote:
> Ragnor, when I first started reading your postings it did not like you.
> But now you are starting to grow on me. I understand now, You, Ace,
> CatmanX, Glen, Serebel and RT all have this love hate relation thing
> going on here. Can I please be part of this group? I want to show all
> of you my intelligence or lack there of!
Of course you can join. It's a great way to kill time and procrastinate.
I listened to the phone call message you posted. If anyone ever talked
to me the way that person did on the other end of the phone, I'd be
asking her name and speaking to her boss. TLC does have very particular
rules for their lifetime commitment--it's more like a warrantee where
it's so easy to void by attempting to do the work yourself or taking it
to an "unauthorized dealer." You have to follow all the rules or they
simply void it. Not unlike a computer warrantee.
In general if it sounds too good to be true, it probably isn't or there
are major strings attached. TLC's lifetime commitment has strings
attached. When you agree to them performing LASIK on you, you are
signing a contract and they leave themselves plenty of holes to wiggle
out of it.
It's always surprising to get good customer service. Money is the bottom
line. A couple of days ago I was pleasantly surprised when I called the
manufacturer of an air cleaner we bought after 9/11. The fan had finally
given out. There's a 10 year warrantee on parts, but I no longer had the
receipt. I thought I'd have to send it in to a service center or
something to have it repaired. But instead, the CS rep asked for my
address and said she was sending a replacement fan at no charge. That's
the way to do business. The company is called VENTA. I recommend it, and
their air cleaners are great. They also humidify at the same time and
could be helpful to anyone who has dry eyes. And they truly honor their
10 year warrantee.
--
~RT
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| Ragnar 2005-12-17, 6:03 pm |
| I didn't catch those tidbits at all... good catch!
It reminds me of the father of a guy in the college dorm I lived in.
His father had an ulcer, refused to have surgery, took aspirin
instead. He seemed to get some temporarlily relief from that, but
then the pain would come back worse and he would take more aspirin..
and more and more. The aspirin overdose wound up not only aggravating
his ulcer, but killing him.
On 16 Dec 2005 20:49:11 -0800, "serebel" <serebel@aol.com> wrote:
>Just another bull story. 12 naprox, 10 tylenol, 8 ultram, at a time you
>wouldn't have a stomach or liver left.
>9 ambien would probably put you in a coma for a while. I've seen this
>same story posted on SE before 2004.
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| Ragnar 2005-12-17, 6:03 pm |
| I think we can do without your input.
On 17 Dec 2005 06:34:49 -0800, "Zig" <zig@tlcbigskylasercenter.com>
wrote:
>Ragnor, when I first started reading your postings it did not like you.
>But now you are starting to grow on me. I understand now, You, Ace,
>CatmanX, Glen, Serebel and RT all have this love hate relation thing
>going on here. Can I please be part of this group? I want to show all
>of you my intelligence or lack there of!
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| Reminds me of refractive surgeons who thin people's corneas with their
surgeries. Then of course, the corneas bulge. So the patient loses
their correction which is termed 'regression'. So the surgeon's bright
idea is to remove even more tissue to correct for the regression! And
then they regress AGAIN! TLC pledges to do this for a lifetime! Aren't
they CLEVER!
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| Ace, lots of people have 20/15 glasses with glasses or contacts, but go
for LASIK because they think they will have good uncorrected vision as
a result. Little do they know that the refractive surgeon will rob them
of nerve density, corneal strenght and integrity and visual quality if
they opt for surgery.
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| serebel 2005-12-18, 1:04 am |
| And the nutcases here use such a simpleton to spread the garbage
around.
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| "Then of course, the corneas bulge. So the patient loses
their correction which is termed 'regression'. So the surgeon's bright
idea is to remove even more tissue to correct for the regression! And
then they regress AGAIN!"
This isnt always the case, but a good point to consider. Ive told many
people to leave things alone for several reasons, this being one of
them. An enhancement is more surgury and induces more aberrations among
other risks. You can end up a hyperope(and sometimes not regress fully
back to plano) Being slightly myopia is great when you get presbyopia!
I told this person to leave things be but he got enhanced and now needs
reading glasses full time, what a waste!
"Ace, lots of people have 20/15 glasses with glasses or contacts"
Its much more common to be 20/15 with contacts, specifically RGP
contacts. soft contacts dont usually do as good a job. Glasses work
fine but theres the issue of minification! Eye, I am a -5 and the 20/25
line is a bit too small to clearly read it! Nevermind 20/20 its
completely impossible to read! Youd need to give me weak binoculars to
see 20/15!
"but go
for LASIK because they think they will have good uncorrected vision"
Too many people get sucked into the hype. If they wear contacts and can
tolerate them why the heck would they want lasik? It takes 1 minute to
put your contacts in and you can forget them till you take em out at
night! I notice that most people getting lasik do so because they cant
tolerate contacts or can no longer tolerate them. Some of them have
never even worn glasses since they were little! Its quite a shock to
suddenly need cokebottles after wearing contacts for 10, 15, 20 years.
They then go strait to lasik. I told one -13 lady to try to get used to
glasses and just deal with it because lasik arent gonna help her
anyway.
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