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10 origional reasons + 10 more reasons from me not to have lasik
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| http://www.lasikdisaster.com/ten_reasons.htm
Long read but great for being informed.
Some more reasons of my own:
http://www.visionsurgeryrehab.org/l...es/eyechart.jpg
20/20??????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ace's reason #1:
The moral of the story is this: If you are less than -2 diopters, do
not think about lasik, I repeat! leave things alone! You will exchange
your ability to see from near for distance and instead of minus
glasses, youll need plus! I know one guy who did that, he appearently
took his near vision for granted and paid no thought to presbyopia.
Guess what he wears reading glasses now and has not reduced his
dependancy on glasses, he only traded dependancy. She did the same
thing as well.
Ace's reason #2:
It's been roughly 6 weeks after my Intralase surgery. My unaided sight
was 20/40. With glasses I saw 20/15 in both eyes, but the left eye was
sharper. My right eye is 20/20 clear with 20/15 blurry, but I can make
out about half the 20/15 line. My left eye is 20/20, but half the line
is fuzzy even though I can make out the letters. Ace says: Whyd he get
lasik if he was seeing well enough to legally drive? He did not need
glasses much! I bet his uncorrected 20/40 is better than his new lasik
20/20! below shows why!
http://www.visionsurgeryrehab.org/l...es/eyechart.jpg
Ace's reason #3:
I had LASEK with wavefront on the Bausch & Lomb Zytronix (Spelling)
machine on Thursday, November 17th (10 days ago). I previously had
Lasik six years ago with a -9 prescription. After some regression I
settled into a -1.75 in the left eye and -.75 in the right eye for the
past several years.
I decided to give Lasek a try given my now thinner cornea and so the
doctor performed LASEK custom wavefront. Ten days later and I can only
see 20/60 in the left eye and can barely make out the Big E on the eye
chart with the right eye. This has been the same for the past 10 days.
My left eye improved to 20/60 within two days or so, but no improvement
in the last eight days and no improvement ever on the right eye. I wnet
to the drug store yesterday and got a pair of +3.25 reading glasses
which enable me to write this message and funny enough my distance
vision is better with them. Ace says: He had natural monovision and
could see great from near and intermediate. His distance vision was
only a bit blurry. Why o why did he get more lasik? Now hes legally
blind in one eye! He got overcorrected and ruined his natural
monovision and sees worse!
Ace's reason #4:
I had lasik surgery about six months ago and was assured by the doctor
that having cataracts was not a problem. Since then I have read and
been told that most doctors recommend against lasik when a person has
cataracts. Does anyone have feedback for me on both that and the fact
that I had numerous cases of uveitis in my 20s through 40s (I'm now
66). I also questioned the doctor about that...My vision has been very
blurry and has improved only slightly. I'm concerned about having paid
all of this money and have more, rather than less, impaired vision.
Ace's reason #5:
I was a high myope, -9 and had lasik. Not even 2 years later I
developed cateracts. I got lasik for nothing when I could have gotten
IOLs in the first place! Lasik ruined my vision and now my IOLs got
miscalculated and im back in bifocals full time with ruined eyes!
Ace's reason #6:
With respect to the post-40 changes in vision, it sounds as though
perhaps you did not have a clear understanding of presbyopia before
having LASEK. Presbyopia is the need for reading glasses which occurs
naturally to everyone as a result of a loss of flexibility of the lens
of the eye, which usually begins in one's 40's. The most important
thing for you to understand about it is that when you become
presbyopic, your eyes CANNOT be corrected for both near and distance
vision - only for or the other - that is, even with a perfectly
successful surgery a patient with presbyopia cannot see well at all
distances. Ace says: Complete causality! She was only a -1.5 and didnt
wear glasses much of the time due to presbyopia. Only wore glasses to
see in the distance. Now not only did she lose her late gift of mild
myopia, she even got slightly overcorrected. Things at *all* distances
are blurry and even with bifocals, her vision isnt as good! She ruined
her eyes and increased her dependancy on glasses! DO NOT GET LASIK if
you are presbyopic and a low myope!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ace's reason #7:
I relate! I had Lasik surgery performed in March of 2002 (I was 23). My
RX before the surgery was -2.50 (left) -1.50 (right). I came out of
surgery seeing 20/15 and was so excited! That lasted for maybe one
week. I was seeing between 20/30 - 20/40 6 months after.
Now, three years post-op I am back in glasses. -1.00 in both eyes. My
night vision still sux.
Ace says: She did not need lasik, but just enjoy her crisp vision
without glasses for reading and the computer. Only needed glasses for
distance. Now her eyes are worse even with glasses! Especially her
night vision! Man this is so sad, she had such good corrected vision
and her uncorrected vision was not bad either in the -1.5 eye. I know
for a fact -1.5 diopters does not result in much blurring and many
people with this pescription go without glasses around the house and
sometimes outdoors too. You can play sports just fine with -1.5
Ace's reason #8:
I urge you again to seriously consider why you want lasik if you are
less than -2 of myopia. This goes doubly for those middle age people
entering their presbyopia years or anyone with presbyopia. The best you
can achieve is trading your distance glasses for reading glasses. There
is monovision but its not right for most people and very annoying to
only see clear in one eye at a time.
Ace's reason #9:
Most people still need glasses after lasik. If you are over 40, you are
guaranteed to still need glasses or enjoy blurry vision, especially
from near if fully corrected. Many people need glasses for driving.
Many people regress some time after lasik and are back in glasses.
Everyone will need glasses at some point in their lives. Lasik may
reduce your dependancy on glasses but if your expecting perfect vision,
youll be disapointed.
Ace's reason #10:
Patients need to understand that, for many people, 20/20 vision after
LASIK can be different from 20/20 vision with contact lenses before
LASIK, especially gas permeable contact lenses. The images seen through
eyes treated by LASIK are often described as not being as "crisp" as
those seen through glasses. This condition, referred to in ophthalmic
literature as "loss of contrast sensitivity," will not affect your
acuity as it is measured on an eye chart, but the visual experience is
different enough that a new term has been coined: LASIK 20/20. While
the majority of patients do adjust to this change following LASIK,
patients who perform fine detail work (artists, architects, draftsmen)
should be sure to carefully weigh the benefits LASIK can afford against
the potential loss of contrast sensitivity. Other vision quality issues
may result. Someone could see GASH, see double or ghosted snellen
chart, see the eyechart glared, have floaters, dry eyes, etc the whole
works. Lasik induces high order aberrations which disort your vision.
Many will lose lines of vision because of this. Higher-order visual
aberrations (Eg glare or haloes) induced by the flap created plus the
uneveness of lasik itself.
http://www.stronghealth.com/service.../HVComa_000.jpg
http://www.staar.com/images/EYECHART.gif
Hey some of you are going to get mad about the truth being posted here!
Let me tell ya a secret, I used to be mad and in denial too! I didnt
even know about all that! I thought wavefront gives perfect 20/15 or
20/10 vision! Wavefront reduces aberrations but you still get induced
aberrations! I sometimes have a hard time understanding post lasik
20/20 but looking at those images has helped tons. Personally, I am
supprised there are people seeing 20/20 with all those induced
aberrations! Many, however are seeing worse than that along with
decreased quality. I am sounding negetive about lasik but this is
called being well informed. Have relistic expectations, you will not
get perfect vision! Yes youll probably end closer to plano. Yes you
could need glasses less. Are the tradeoffs worth it? Some people get
lucky and end up with half decent quality of vision so they have little
to complain about, maybe the lights having a little glare or extra
starbursts, maybe you end up within half a diopter of plano, who knows?
I read that 90% of people are *overall* satisfied with lasik, but many
of those experience a decrease of quality or some other effect but not
enough to be a serious problem. I read that almost 100% of people lose
some night vision and that 30% of the loss is serious enough to give
something to complain about.
If you want lasik, its your eyes, im not gonna stop you. Hopefully your
reasons are good because lasik is real surgury with real risks. Some
are active in sports and outdoors so their reasons are better than
others. Hey I sometimes dont like glasses and wish I could see better
without them but its wishful thinking because the best vision one
experiences is virgin eyes corrected with glasses. Its just something I
will need to deal with. Yes I do envy the emmertopes and low myopes,
they have it easy. However I have it easy compared to many who had less
than satisfactory results with lasik. I also have it easy that I will
never need reading glasses(till the time comes when/if I get cateracts
and need IOLs)
my myopic eyes are naturally focused for near.
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| Lasik Complications 2005-12-17, 1:04 am |
| Ace,
Keep up the good work. I can tell that you are reading between the
lines what the doctors are saying on their web site supposedly to help
people. This is how they make their (more) money. Hang in there Ace,
you are doing a great service. IN my case, I know that the Lord would
hold me accountable when I die, if I did not try and warn people about
what happened to me and what can easily happen to them. My doctor will
also be held accountable by the Lord. For those that are not religious
and compassionate, may the Lord help them. Lasik Complications
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| serebel 2005-12-17, 1:04 am |
| Okay Ace, don't have lasik already!
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| Lasik Complications 2005-12-17, 1:04 am |
| Ace, do keep on posting. Let other people know what can happen.
Sounds like some people are upset because you have not had it. Good
for you!! Lasik Complications
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| serebel 2005-12-17, 1:04 am |
| I never said for Ace not to post. Again, try reading!
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| Why thanks, Lasik Complications for the compliment! Doctors dismiss the
risks as much as they can. Many dont even mention the risks, others say
something like you migh still need a thin pair of glasses but an
enhancement can fix that. Many hand you an informed consent with the
risks 15 minutes before you get lasik. I believe many people arent
fully informed before getting lasik. One lady said had I known I
wouldnt have enough cornea for an enhancement, I wouldnt have gotten
lasik. She being a high myope, of course regressed soon and is back in
glasses with worse vision. Many others arent informed of their huge
pupils or the fact they are at high risk for a bad outcome. If everyone
was fully informed like me, a tenth as many people would be having
lasik.
"if I did not try and warn people about
what happened to me and what can easily happen to them."
Thats a scary thought! Still needing glasses after lasik isnt so bad
but having dry eyes, pain, GASH, the whole works is! Infomation about
the risks of lasik should be made public and be spread everywhere.
"Okay Ace, don't have lasik already!"
dont worry, I wont. There are a number of people who shouldnt either,
like this lady whos -13 I warned her shes too myopic for lasik. Theres
alot of low myopes that dont need lasik because they are seeing OK
without glasses to begin with and isnt worth the risk. Im trying to
talk this 20/40 guy out of lasik! I know hes probably going to be
disapointed. I also told him no point since he tolerates contacts well.
I cant and wont stop people from laser surgury but I have the right to
inform them and many arent good candiates and may probably end up
unhappy and with ruined eyes 
"Let other people know what can happen."
I do. some people get mad when the truth comes out. I think they are in
denial and think nothing bad can happen to them but sorry, lasik has
real risks, anything can happen.
"Sounds like some people are upset because you have not had it. Good
for you!! "
They say I can not speak about lasik if I havent experienced it. Well I
know alot who have plus ive read lots of lasik stories. I dont need to
be another causality to know. The risks for me is much higher than
average. Hey do you have any messenger service? I would love to chat to
you. my AIM screename is bioxio33
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| CatmanX 2005-12-17, 11:00 am |
| That's right, I said ace should stop posting. I also said that natural
selection had failed in missing Ace.
Ace's 10 additional reasons are BS from hysterical twits that can't
lucidly put an arguement forward. There is no science, no fact, just
hysterical rants about hoew my eyes were damaged.
Did any of your bozo's do any due diligence? Did they discuss outcomes
with their doctor? Did they know what to expect? Did they tslk to a
number of allied professionals, such as doctors, optometrists, other
patients to get an idea of what the doctor was like and his approach
during surgery and beyond? Did they go to a few doctors and determine
the best one??
The answer is no to all the above. They are all dumb idiots who
stupidly rushed into a procedure without thinkong and took no personal
responsibility.
The header should be 10 reasons for proactive euthanasia.
dr grant
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| Patients can't do their due diligence becaue the complete clinical
trials data was hidden from them. Contrast sensitivity data was
gathered and not reported. Hey, I would have liked to know that my
chances for reaching not reaching 20/20 were greater than 1/5 and
perhaps as low as 50%. I would have liked to know that loss of contrast
sensitivity was a guarantee. I would have liked to know that the
procedures these butchers are performing damage the corneal nerves.
These things are hard to uncover. ACE knows more about refractive
surgery complications than most LASIK surgeons and is providing a
helpful service by circulating this information.
It's really sad to hear an eye health care professional such as
yourself blaming PATIENTS for the fact that harmful surgeries are being
performed by so-called doctors and are still blessed by the FDA. What
are you, an Optician or something? Shouldn't you be concerned about
clear vision?
Or are you one of those comanaging Opticians who lives of fat kickbacks
received by sending patients off to be damaged permanently by lasers.
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| CatmanX 2005-12-17, 6:03 pm |
| " What are you, an Optician or something? Shouldn't you be concerned
about clear vision?
Or are you one of those comanaging Opticians who lives of fat kickbacks
received by sending patients off to be damaged permanently by lasers. "
And what are you hanson, some sort of psycho who thinks that the world
should suffer because you are just plain stupid? I could have told you
about contrast sensitivity loss 10 years ago. The same with ectasia,
pupil size, low light problems. night driving problems, dry eye, metal
fragments, small ablation zones, scar tissue formation, etc., etc.,
etc..
"ACE knows more about refractive surgery complications than most LASIK
surgeons and is providing a helpful service by circulating this
information."
Ace is a delinquent who is too stupid to get an eye test, so does his
(?) own refraction with some print, converting unaided far point to
dioptres and worrying that his prescription is changing. Ace needs to
ask daddy's permission to get an eye test, and his daddy loves him so
much that he isn't allowed to get one because daddy doesn't believe
there is anything wrong with little Ace's eyes.
You really are stupid Hanson/Eye.
dr grant
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