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Very Happy with the gift of NO DAMN GLASSES !
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| A new pair of eyes 2005-12-14, 11:01 am |
| LTC in ontario ca, walked in blind without my glasses and walked out
seeing 20/15 both eyes when checked the next day after surgery. Very
positive feelings today. I am amazed that I put this off so long but I
guess the time was right. Thank You Dr Tooma and your Team. eddie in
California
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| Ragnar 2005-12-14, 6:01 pm |
| Sounds great. You will have some ups and downs for a few months, but
I'm sure you will be thrilled at the end results.
On 14 Dec 2005 05:31:16 -0800, "A new pair of eyes"
<brokedownlineman@gmail.com> wrote:
>LTC in ontario ca, walked in blind without my glasses and walked out
>seeing 20/15 both eyes when checked the next day after surgery. Very
>positive feelings today. I am amazed that I put this off so long but I
>guess the time was right. Thank You Dr Tooma and your Team. eddie in
>California
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| nice to hear some success stories in the middle of all those negetives.
What was your glasses pescription before? If you were seeing 20/20 with
your high minus, this explains the 20/15 now because high minus glasses
make things small and the 20/20 line was too small.
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| Trulytelling@yahoo.com 2005-12-15, 1:03 am |
| Others walk in ti a LASIK center best corrected to 20/15 with glasses
or contacts and end up legally blind. I hope you don't have further
problems with your eyes, but your quick 'recovery' suggests you had
LASIK... which causes permanent damage to every eye.
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| Glenn - USAEyes.org 2005-12-15, 1:03 am |
| It's good to hear of your fantastic results!
Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
USAEyes.org
"Consider and Choose With Confidence"
Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
I am not a doctor.
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A new pair of eyes wrote:
> LTC in ontario ca, walked in blind without my glasses and walked out
> seeing 20/15 both eyes when checked the next day after surgery. Very
> positive feelings today. I am amazed that I put this off so long but I
> guess the time was right. Thank You Dr Tooma and your Team. eddie in
> California
Did you mean "TLC"?
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| "Others walk in ti a LASIK center best corrected to 20/15 with glasses
or contacts and end up legally blind."
They get worse than 20/200 BCVA then? Thats tragic! Might as well throw
your glasses away and NOT get lasik, just function without glasses,
things will be better that way! This is actually possible for low
myopes, my brother hates glasses but hes 20/60 without them and can see
clearly from near and intermediate so he gets along fine with only
using glasses for driving and occasionally. If he were to get lasik he
could end up 20/30 with GASH, dry eyes, pain and fluctuating vision.
His uncorrected slightly myopic 20/60 is much better than post lasik
vision. The snellen chart only tests for accuracy but cant detect
quality. You could be 20/30 or even 20/20 and be seeing a double of
each letter with ghosting on each letter or the chart may have glare
and you may need to squint to read.
"but your quick 'recovery' suggests you had
LASIK... which causes permanent damage to every eye."
Well lets be positive and hope for the best for this person. Many
people actually come out OK after lasik, some may have a few quirks but
nothing serious. This person probably was seeing 20/20 with thick
glasses which minified things. The 20/15 with glasses probably was too
small to read. Hey if this person is happy, then thats great!
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| Ragnar 2005-12-15, 11:00 am |
| That is complete nonsense.
On 14 Dec 2005 17:15:24 -0800, Trulytelling@yahoo.com wrote:
>Others walk in ti a LASIK center best corrected to 20/15 with glasses
>or contacts and end up legally blind. I hope you don't have further
>problems with your eyes, but your quick 'recovery' suggests you had
>LASIK... which causes permanent damage to every eye.
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| In article <1134634539.827130.153930@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Ace" <acemanvx@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Others walk in ti a LASIK center best corrected to 20/15 with glasses
> or contacts and end up legally blind."
>
>
> They get worse than 20/200 BCVA then? Thats tragic! Might as well throw
> your glasses away and NOT get lasik, just function without glasses,
> things will be better that way! This is actually possible for low
> myopes, my brother hates glasses but hes 20/60 without them and can see
> clearly from near and intermediate so he gets along fine with only
> using glasses for driving and occasionally. If he were to get lasik he
> could end up 20/30 with GASH, dry eyes, pain and fluctuating vision.
> His uncorrected slightly myopic 20/60 is much better than post lasik
> vision. The snellen chart only tests for accuracy but cant detect
> quality. You could be 20/30 or even 20/20 and be seeing a double of
> each letter with ghosting on each letter or the chart may have glare
> and you may need to squint to read.
>
Ace, WTF? If your brother had LASIK the overwhelming odds would be that
he would be corrected to plano and be free of glasses for decades with
the possibility that he may need reading glasses in his 40s or 50s. His
post LASIK vision would be superior to his present vision in that he
would not have to wear glasses.
>
> "but your quick 'recovery' suggests you had
> LASIK... which causes permanent damage to every eye."
>
>
> Well lets be positive and hope for the best for this person. Many
> people actually come out OK after lasik, some may have a few quirks but
> nothing serious. This person probably was seeing 20/20 with thick
> glasses which minified things. The 20/15 with glasses probably was too
> small to read. Hey if this person is happy, then thats great!
Not only "many" but millions. In fact 97% of the millions of people who
have LASIK.
Please spend some time learning about what you are writing here before
posting. You are like a tennis ball, bouncing from court to court.
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~RT
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| A new pair of eyes 2005-12-15, 11:00 am |
| yes TLC my sight before was 20/80, i went in yesterday 1 week after
for re-check with my personal eye doctor and all is fine. he is pleased
and i can see, without my DAMN GLASSES ! this was the best christmas
present ever. i got emotional the other day while looking at the
mountains, what a gift eddie in calif.
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| Ragnar 2005-12-15, 12:54 pm |
| I too am confused about ACE's posts. A tennis ball bouncing from
court to court would be a volley, not an ace.
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:02:29 GMT, RT <RTMD24@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
>In article <1134634539.827130.153930@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> "Ace" <acemanvx@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Ace, WTF? If your brother had LASIK the overwhelming odds would be that
>he would be corrected to plano and be free of glasses for decades with
>the possibility that he may need reading glasses in his 40s or 50s. His
>post LASIK vision would be superior to his present vision in that he
>would not have to wear glasses.
>
>Not only "many" but millions. In fact 97% of the millions of people who
>have LASIK.
>
>Please spend some time learning about what you are writing here before
>posting. You are like a tennis ball, bouncing from court to court.
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| "Ace, WTF? If your brother had LASIK the overwhelming odds would be
that
he would be corrected to plano and be free of glasses for decades"
He never had lasik and his pescription is too low for lasik. He already
is free of glasses(except for driving) Hes only a -1 with less than -1
of astigmastim in both eyes so he sees fine from near and pretty good
from distances. He cant be fully corrected to 20/20 with glasses and
hes told me before that glasses make little difference, things are a
little clearer with glasses but theres not much blur without glasses.
20/60 may not be that good for some people but going from 20/60 to
20/25 isnt much of a difference except for driving. He has no trouble
seeing anything, not movies, not the chalkboard(except from the back of
class) not price tags in stores, etc. So he functions fine without
glasses. Lasik may slightly improve his uncorrected vision but if
things dont go just right he could get induced astigmastim and
aberrations and his new lasik eyes may be no better than his virgin
uncorrected eyes.
http://www.visionsurgeryrehab.org/l...es/eyechart.jpg
Would you believe thats 20/20 vision? I think my brother would rather
keep his 20/60 uncorrected vision than have poor quality 20/25 or even
20/20 vision. I can only be correctable to 20/30 with glasses and I can
tell you right now I see 5 times better than that 20/20 guy with poor
quality! I see lots of people complain about their vision after lasik
even if they are seeing 20/30, 20/25 or even 20/20 they still arent
happy! The fact my brother doesnt complain about 20/60 without glasses
means his quality of vision is great! The snellen chart only tests for
*one* thing, vision accuracy. There is so much more to vision than
that.
"yes TLC my sight before was 20/80, i went in yesterday 1 week after
for re-check with my personal eye doctor and all is fine. he is pleased
and i can see, without my DAMN GLASSES ! this was the best christmas
present ever. i got emotional the other day while looking at the
mountains, what a gift eddie in calif."
I am glad to hear this. What was your pescription before lasik? (sphere
and/or cylindar)
how much myopia and how much, if any astigmastim? I am assuming you
were correctable to 20/15 with glasses too. Thats more than 5x
difference from the 20/80 uncorrected vision so its a fairly moderate
difference.
"Not only "many" but millions. In fact 97% of the millions of people
who
have LASIK."
Accroding from what ive read, the satisfication rate is 90% for laser
surgury. The complication rate is 3% but 10% arent happy after laser.
They may have been happy at one point too, but the long term effect of
lasik is uncertain with some regressing, some developing dry eyes, some
floaters, some cateracts, etc. This means millions are happy with lasik
but many thousands arent. Even those who are happy, they may have
decreased night vision, drier eyes, mild GASH, some regression, but hey
they are still happy, so more power to them.
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| I get all emotional when patients call me wanting to commit suicide
because they went from good correctable vision to permanently trashed
vision, lost jobs, homes, relationships...basically their entire
quality of life. Hope your correction holds up and that you don't have
problems in the future with your surgery.
Contrary to their claims, TLC will NOT love you forever. Get a copy of
your medical records now so you'll have them just in case.
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| I can see why you are against lasik! I know that 90% of people are
happy with lasik, but your probably going to say 99% of people are
happy with glasses and the 1% that arent happy with glasses will just
need to deal with it and enjoy their clear vision with glasses. Do you
think lasik is ever medically neccessary? I do, what if you are a
soldier in the army? Glasses can be a liability then. If they break in
the middle of the battle youll have no choice but retreat to base camp
and sit it out. Lasik also is quite popular for athlates, some sports
dont go well with glasses. Lasik isnt so one sided, theres both a good
and a bad side to lasik. Lasik may technicially damage all eyes from
what some say, but many are happy netherless. Maybe the side effects of
lasik isnt enough to seriously affect their quality of life. I think
the best action is making sure the person is fully informed and is
willing to gamble their correctable vision for a chance to reduce
dependancy on glasses. You probably cant relate to them nor understand
why they dont just deal with glasses and enjoy its crisp vision glasses
give.
By the way, I am informed enough to stick with my glasses, I am aware
of the risks of lasik and in fact the risks are higher for me than
others. I also am aware ill still need glasses after lasik anyway. Ill
lose some or more night vision due to my huge pupils. Im aware my best
vision will be my virgin eyes correctable with glasses. The reasons
others have for their choice may be different and while I dont approve
of some of their reasons, its their eyes to gamble and I cant stop
them. I just wish them luck on a successful outcome.
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| Ragnar 2005-12-16, 11:01 am |
| 90%?
How about 97% after 6 months... and approaching 100% as time goes on.
Contact lenses are 95%
On 15 Dec 2005 23:01:26 -0800, "Ace" <acemanvx@yahoo.com> wrote:
>I can see why you are against lasik! I know that 90% of people are
>happy with lasik, but your probably going to say 99% of people are
>happy with glasses and the 1% that arent happy with glasses will just
>need to deal with it and enjoy their clear vision with glasses. Do you
>think lasik is ever medically neccessary? I do, what if you are a
>soldier in the army? Glasses can be a liability then. If they break in
>the middle of the battle youll have no choice but retreat to base camp
>and sit it out. Lasik also is quite popular for athlates, some sports
>dont go well with glasses. Lasik isnt so one sided, theres both a good
>and a bad side to lasik. Lasik may technicially damage all eyes from
>what some say, but many are happy netherless. Maybe the side effects of
>lasik isnt enough to seriously affect their quality of life. I think
>the best action is making sure the person is fully informed and is
>willing to gamble their correctable vision for a chance to reduce
>dependancy on glasses. You probably cant relate to them nor understand
>why they dont just deal with glasses and enjoy its crisp vision glasses
>give.
>
>
>By the way, I am informed enough to stick with my glasses, I am aware
>of the risks of lasik and in fact the risks are higher for me than
>others. I also am aware ill still need glasses after lasik anyway. Ill
>lose some or more night vision due to my huge pupils. Im aware my best
>vision will be my virgin eyes correctable with glasses. The reasons
>others have for their choice may be different and while I dont approve
>of some of their reasons, its their eyes to gamble and I cant stop
>them. I just wish them luck on a successful outcome.
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| Sorry, I see too many unhappy people for it to be 97% even if it was
97% its because some are just in denial. Also what exactly constitutes
satisfication? What if someone is both happy and unhappy with lasik? He
could be happy in the day and unhappy at night.
How good is your quality of vision? Thats the issue at hand. Are you
seeing any GASH, etc?
G=glare and ghosting
A=astigmastim and abnormalities
S=starbursts and straining
H=haze and halos
If your quality is good, then im happy for you. Too often, people
complain even if they end up 20/20 because they see this:
http://www.tlcbigskylasercenter.com/eyechart.jpg
http://www.visionsurgeryrehab.org/l...es/eyechart.jpg
If you dont see anything like that then great!
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| Ragnar 2005-12-16, 11:01 am |
| keep in mind that the happy people don't talk about their procedures
much. It's the people with complaints that go on and on and on and
on... telling the cashier at the grocery store, etc.
On 16 Dec 2005 03:23:56 -0800, "Ace" <acemanvx@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Sorry, I see too many unhappy people for it to be 97% even if it was
>97% its because some are just in denial. Also what exactly constitutes
>satisfication? What if someone is both happy and unhappy with lasik? He
>could be happy in the day and unhappy at night.
>
>
>How good is your quality of vision? Thats the issue at hand. Are you
>seeing any GASH, etc?
>
>
>G=glare and ghosting
>A=astigmastim and abnormalities
>S=starbursts and straining
>H=haze and halos
>
>
>If your quality is good, then im happy for you. Too often, people
>complain even if they end up 20/20 because they see this:
>
>
>http://www.tlcbigskylasercenter.com/eyechart.jpg
>
>
>http://www.visionsurgeryrehab.org/l...es/eyechart.jpg
>
>
>If you dont see anything like that then great!
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| In article <p7j5q113m6afqsc0dm8bjj8ols2afqhkae@4ax.com>,
Ragnar <ragnarsuomi@yahoo.com> wrote:
> keep in mind that the happy people don't talk about their procedures
> much. It's the people with complaints that go on and on and on and
> on... telling the cashier at the grocery store, etc.
Exactly. You've probably met or run across dozens of people who have had
successful LASIK who don't mention they've had it. If you met me, you'd
never know. I don't look any different from when I was wearing contacts.
In fact, most people wouldn't/didn't even know I wore those. I don't
offer up that information. I never talk about it except here on this NG.
Outside of my immediate family, only about 5 of my friends even know I
had LASIK. Only the people who've had complications have any reason to
go on an on about it and complain to others (including strangers) or are
obviously physically affected that someone else can tell they're having
difficulties with their eyes.
--
~RT
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| I have never heard of anyone walking out of a clinic after having
Lasik that the surgeon didn't say all is great, everyone is told on
their follow-up visit that you are doing great. I had correctable eyes
of 20/20 20/15 the day after lasik according to my doctors and I
thought everything looked like sh--! I kept believing for the longest
time that things would get better because everyone was telling me how
great I was doing. I wish I had my old thick glasses back.
And of course it's just the people who have complications that
XXXXX about the surgery, I wanted to tell the whole world to beware,
when you have a drastic change in your life like what happened to me
and your doctors make you out to be crazy. You wouldn't XXXXX about
Lasik if you didn't have a bad outcome. If you ended up with double
or triple vision wouldn't you want to tell your story and warn
others? And don't pass it off like it is part of the risk of having
the procedure. In most cases its not a risk of the procedure it's the
risk of your doctor not evaluating you properly. In my case, I had 0%
chance of a successful outcome. And I was told by the doctors I trusted
that I was an excellent candidate. Then the same doctors that I trusted
(TLC's) kicked me to the curb after they realized they screwed me up,
they treated me like I was an ungrateful recipient of a textbook
perfect outcome. They treated me like I was crazy and to leave them
alone.
It has taken me almost five years for my brain to adjust to my double
and at times triple vision. I ask you, what in the hell good is 20/15
vision if you see three of them.
I hope the best for this guy but really; he is talking way to
soon. Like this guy, most people that have Lasik and have a successful
outcome like to spread the word for a while and encourage people to
have the surgery. They will brag up their surgeon and send him
business. Do you know what can happen if you encourage a personal
friend or family member to have Lasik and they end up with an
uncorrectable condition? Check with Elvira Galindo, her life and family
is torn apart, her story can be read at www.dr.doka.com
RT wrote:
> In article <p7j5q113m6afqsc0dm8bjj8ols2afqhkae@4ax.com>,
> Ragnar <ragnarsuomi@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Exactly. You've probably met or run across dozens of people who have had
> successful LASIK who don't mention they've had it. If you met me, you'd
> never know. I don't look any different from when I was wearing contacts.
> In fact, most people wouldn't/didn't even know I wore those. I don't
> offer up that information. I never talk about it except here on this NG.
> Outside of my immediate family, only about 5 of my friends even know I
> had LASIK. Only the people who've had complications have any reason to
> go on an on about it and complain to others (including strangers) or are
> obviously physically affected that someone else can tell they're having
> difficulties with their eyes.
>
> --
> ~RT
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| Yes, I would be unhappy and warn others if I had a bad outcome. The
point is that the few who have had bad outcomes can be very vocal and
make it seem like the majority has problems with LASIK, when it doesn't.
It is unconscionable for LASIK to be performed on people who have a 0%
chance of a successful outcome. That, in a perfect world, should never
happen. But LASIK centers are staffed with salespeople who want to sell
you their product, an elective product. In a perfect world LASIK centers
should support the LASIK consumer with help in case of problems. But as
with customer care in any sector, there is good service and bad service.
It sucks and while it's hard to remain objective, it has been a
successful procedure for many many people. That is not to trivialize
your personal outcome. I would not want to be in your shoes and I hope
that you and everyone who does end up with complications find relief and
fixes for your visual disturbances.
BTW, I don't go around recommending LASIK to anyone. I'm not qualified
to do that. All I can do is speak from my own experience, encourage
people to be educated about the procedure and the risks and to pursue
all avenues and alternatives before making their own decision based on
their unique personal circumstances.
--
~RT
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| "keep in mind that the happy people don't talk about their procedures
much. It's the people with complaints that go on and on and on and
on... telling the cashier at the grocery store, etc."
how true! Well ive seen a small amount of happy people brag about lasik
but its those with bad outcomes who try to "save" everyone from lasik.
I try to remain neutral but informed of the pros and cons of lasik.
". In most cases its not a risk of the procedure it's the
risk of your doctor not evaluating you properly. In my case, I had 0%
chance of a successful outcome."
What contridictions did you have? Alot of those with bad outcomes have
contridictions that make lasik risky and a bad outcome likley or even
probable. People with huge pupils will warn you NOT to have lasik if
your dilated pupils is larger than the ablation zone. Theres
transistion zone but its incomplete. Its the optical zone thats
important and most lasers only go up to 6.5mm some as high as 8mm but
this eats lots of cornea and has other risks due to such a large zone.
Many people with dry eyes will warn you if you have any pre-existing
dry eyes lasik may make dry eyes severe. Low myopes are picky about
their vision because they see OK without glasses and they will tell you
dont bother, youll just be disapointed if you dont end with perfect
vision.
Be aware that even "perfect" candidates with lower pescriptions, small
pupils, whatever can have bad outcomes. Less than perfect candidates
take much higher risks. I dont even believe in lasik if your less than
a -2 because youd just trade up for reading glasses now or in the
future. Also less than -2 doesnt have a whole lot of dependancy on
glasses, they dont need glasses around the house or to use the computer
so why take a risk when you already dont have much dependancy on
glasses? Many people get lasik without having a good reason. If your a
soldier, thats a pretty darn good reason. If you play lots of sports,
especially water sports, thats a good reason. If you sit hours in front
of the computer, thats a bad reason!
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| serebel 2005-12-17, 1:04 am |
| You've seen about everything there is, huh Ace?
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| Lasik Complications 2005-12-17, 1:04 am |
| Zig is right! Those people that apparently have had good lasik results
up until now do go around telling their friends and co-workers about
this so called wonderful procedure. That is exactly what happened
where my daughter in law used to work. There were about 20 to 30
people who had lasik, because it started with one person.
My daughter in law worked at a well known national company and the
Owner's daughter had lasik. Very well too do people. I wonder what
her father will do if she starts having problems. Her father is a big
corporate sponsor for many local events and I am sure that he is not
the type to keep quiet about this. Time will tell. In the mean time,
I hope and pray that these people do not have any problems. Lasik
Complications
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| serebel 2005-12-17, 1:04 am |
| Don't worry, they won't.
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| Lasik Complications 2005-12-17, 1:04 am |
| Apparently Ace is trying to keep himself fully informed. Unlike some
of you that have supposedly had lasik and do not talk about it, just
listen to A new pair of Eyes! He is thrilled and excited to have
gotten rid of his glasses. And what does he do, he starts telling
everyone he can think of. I hope his happiness lasts a long time.
Remember there are no studies as to the long term effects of lasik.
Lasik Complications
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| "You've seen about everything there is, huh Ace?"
I still have much to learn. What catches my interest is new procedures
for correcting vision. I read about corneal onlay lense which is a non
surgical way to improve vision. If it gets approved here and is proven
safe, I might go for it. Its basically a contact lense made of special
gas permable material that gets glued on your cornea and can stay for a
few years! I dont know if thats safe having a contact on so long but
maybe they will find a way. If it doesnt work out for me, I can simply
have it removed using special solutions to dissolve the glue. This
could potentionally make lasik obsolete if its successful! I also am
looking into ortho-k which is available now and is a reliatively safe
and temporary way to reduce my myopia plus I wont need a contact
sitting on my eye blocking some oxygen and increasing my risk of
infection for years.
"There were about 20 to 30
people who had lasik, because it started with one person."
How did they come out? If even one had a bad experience and was vocal,
he could make the rest think twice before getting lasik.
"I hope his happiness lasts a long time.
Remember there are no studies as to the long term effects of lasik.
Lasik Complications"
I wish him well. Some people do realize the long term effects, most
common regression. Ive seen some develop dry eyes years later. Others
get cateracts shortly after lasik. Some people theorize that many eyes
will regress years after lasik and they are back in glasses or more
lasik. I know everyone eventrually needs glasses and those over 35-40
getting lasik still need glasses anyway. Many people still wear glasses
or contacts right after lasik or shortly after so lasik at best redudes
your dependancy on corrective lenses.
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| CatmanX 2005-12-17, 11:00 am |
| WTF????
What are you rambling about???
dr grant
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| Ragnar 2005-12-17, 11:00 am |
| Yes...exactly...
I'm sure that some people, such as the wicked witch of the west,
present a tailor made version of their 7 year old RS epic to anyone
that will listen, on a daily basis.
One other thing you said below triggered a thought. Many problems are
more rooted in fear (mentally) than physically. This is like FDR's
line of "we have nothing to fear but fear itself". Much of medicine
involves things such as placebos and a holistic approach.
Any surgery involves a physcal change of some type, and the body has a
reaction to it. There are a few websites which intentionally, and
maliciously prey upon the fears of those who just had surgery done.
That is sometimes good enough to scare some donations or pre-mature
"rehabilitation" out of them.
On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:02:10 GMT, RT <RTMD24@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
>In article <p7j5q113m6afqsc0dm8bjj8ols2afqhkae@4ax.com>,
> Ragnar <ragnarsuomi@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>Exactly. You've probably met or run across dozens of people who have had
>successful LASIK who don't mention they've had it. If you met me, you'd
>never know. I don't look any different from when I was wearing contacts.
>In fact, most people wouldn't/didn't even know I wore those. I don't
>offer up that information. I never talk about it except here on this NG.
>Outside of my immediate family, only about 5 of my friends even know I
>had LASIK. Only the people who've had complications have any reason to
>go on an on about it and complain to others (including strangers) or are
>obviously physically affected that someone else can tell they're having
>difficulties with their eyes.
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| Ragnar 2005-12-17, 11:00 am |
| Did I not do a sufficient job warning people about LVI and it's now
departed favorite surgeon?
Anyway.. it is nice to see this group back to some sense of normalcy.
You did your part in achieving that.
Be ready to squash the next barrage of nonsense if it comes.
On Fri, 16 Dec 2005 18:38:13 GMT, RT <RTMD24@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
>Yes, I would be unhappy and warn others if I had a bad outcome. The
>point is that the few who have had bad outcomes can be very vocal and
>make it seem like the majority has problems with LASIK, when it doesn't.
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>It is unconscionable for LASIK to be performed on people who have a 0%
>chance of a successful outcome. That, in a perfect world, should never
>happen. But LASIK centers are staffed with salespeople who want to sell
>you their product, an elective product. In a perfect world LASIK centers
>should support the LASIK consumer with help in case of problems. But as
>with customer care in any sector, there is good service and bad service.
>It sucks and while it's hard to remain objective, it has been a
>successful procedure for many many people. That is not to trivialize
>your personal outcome. I would not want to be in your shoes and I hope
>that you and everyone who does end up with complications find relief and
>fixes for your visual disturbances.
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>BTW, I don't go around recommending LASIK to anyone. I'm not qualified
>to do that. All I can do is speak from my own experience, encourage
>people to be educated about the procedure and the risks and to pursue
>all avenues and alternatives before making their own decision based on
>their unique personal circumstances.
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| I am not saying Lasik is a bad procedure for everyone, I am saying
there are a lot of doctors out there that will do Lasik on anyone. I
really thought that when I went to TLC to see if I were a good
candidate for this procedure that I would get a thorough check up. Do
you know what the first thing they wanted to know before I got my exam?
Weather or not my billfold was thick enough to pay for it. One of the
main reasons I went with TLC was because they had a Lifetime
Commitment. Does anyone know what that means? I thought it meant they
would take care of my eyes for life!
I have a tape recording I would like any of you open-minded people
to listen to. This was a good piece of evidence I had against TLC. I
made a tape recording of a conversation I had with TLC one year after
my procedure. This is a great tape that will show you how they talk to
people after they have screwed them up. Pay close attention to the
recording in the background when the receptionist puts me on hold, It
goes on about TLC's Lifetime commitment and how they will take care
of you FOREVER!
This recording was made one year after my first Lasik procedure
by TLC. As you can hear in this recording I was giving TLC an easy way
out. All they had to do was refund my money, but they chose to go the
lawsuit way.
Instead of TLC saying, "I am sorry, we made an error here"
they went way out of their way to make me look like the bad person. The
way they talked to me and treated me was very humiliating. I believe
the doctors at TLC new they screwed up and did not want to admit it,
they did not have the expertise to fix the problem they created and
they were hoping I would just go away. This doctor lied on the
recording, she claimed they were trying to get me set up to see Dr.
Machat in Canada, the court record showed that Dr. Machat didn't even
look at my records until over 2 years after my procedure. Was I to wait
two years for Dr. Machat to help me with my eyes when I was unable to
work because of what they did? This doctor going on about Mono vision
was not even the problem with my eyes, it was just another one of their
excuses for not helping me. I did work with TLC for over 9 months
trying to get them to help me with my eyes and all they would tell me
were that my eyes were fine. I did go to a lot of Doctors for help and
I ended up getting help from Doctor Jack Holladay in Houston Texas.
My problem:
1. I was left with debri under both flaps
2. I had epithelia ingrowth
3. Pupils Larger than 7mm and pre-lasik eyes of -10
4. Severe dry eyes
5. I was left with an effective optical zone of less than 5 mm
With all of these problems listen to how this Doctor talks to me. And
they wonder why I was having nightmares about shooting my doctor.
Please click on this link below!
http://www.tlcbigskylasercenter.com/TapeRecording.wav
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| In article <1134825823.664575.9250@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"Ace" <acemanvx@yahoo.com> wrote:
> http://www.visioncrc.org/pdf/resear...lopment/ICL.pdf
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> Very interesting read! Do you know anything about this? sounds like a
> novel concept
Why would someone want to glue their contacts to their eyeballs? My
contacts naturally glued themselves to my eyeballs by about 10 pm every
night and I'd have to peel them off.
With 30 day continuous wear contacts and LASIK/PRK, this procedure seems
like a step backwards and completely unnecessary and fraught with the
same complications extended wear contacts carry, only probably worse
since they are "glued" on.
I really don't see the advantage to gluing contacts onto your eyeballs
over 30 day extended wear.
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~RT
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| Ragnar 2005-12-17, 6:03 pm |
| I used to dread dealing with my contacts when they glued themeselves
to the sclera where I couldn't even reach them.
On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 17:02:43 GMT, RT <RTMD24@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
>In article <1134825823.664575.9250@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> "Ace" <acemanvx@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>Why would someone want to glue their contacts to their eyeballs? My
>contacts naturally glued themselves to my eyeballs by about 10 pm every
>night and I'd have to peel them off.
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>With 30 day continuous wear contacts and LASIK/PRK, this procedure seems
>like a step backwards and completely unnecessary and fraught with the
>same complications extended wear contacts carry, only probably worse
>since they are "glued" on.
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>I really don't see the advantage to gluing contacts onto your eyeballs
>over 30 day extended wear.
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| serebel 2005-12-18, 1:04 am |
| Zig said something very important here. "I am not saying is a bad
procedure for everyone."
He then went on to describe what happened to him. I have a lot of
respect for someone who would do this without a blanket condemnation of
the whole prodedure. I sincerely hope that you find a resolution for
your post surgical outcome.
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| I agree with Zig. Surgeons care about money more than you so they dont
properly screen. I mean if your like a -20 or have a cornea of 400 they
will say sorry we cant do anything but they take 95% of people.
"Why would someone want to glue their contacts to their eyeballs? My
contacts naturally glued themselves to my eyeballs by about 10 pm every
night and I'd have to peel them off."
because they are too lazy to remove their contacts everynight and
insert them every morning?
"and fraught with the
same complications extended wear contacts carry, only probably worse
since they are "glued" on."
Thats what im afraid of. They are doing clinical trials in Austrillia
right now. If this goes well we will see this come to the states. They
say corneal onlay contacts are made of special materials, even better
than silcone hydrogel thats designed to stay on for a decade! They also
say those who cant tolerate conventional contacts may be able to
tolerate those special ones. Depending how successful it is, it could
compete with lasik.
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| Ragnar 2005-12-18, 6:06 pm |
| mmm... I would agree... except for the fact that Zig is one of those
people who has made it their life's obsession to propagate
misinformation.
It is refreshing to know that 90% of the negative garbage posted in
this newsgroup has been posted by roughly 5 malcontents.
The sad thing about that is that people with real questions and
concerns often get ignored or they are given misinformation.
On 17 Dec 2005 21:19:00 -0800, "serebel" <serebel@aol.com> wrote:
>Zig said something very important here. "I am not saying is a bad
>procedure for everyone."
>He then went on to describe what happened to him. I have a lot of
>respect for someone who would do this without a blanket condemnation of
>the whole prodedure. I sincerely hope that you find a resolution for
>your post surgical outcome.
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