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Dr. William Trattler claims to know one surgeon who has had LASIK recently!
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| .....This guy must not keep up with research in his field!
Bill Trattler said:
>An additional false claim is the way
>you answer why 29% of refractive
>surgeons have previously undergone LASIK.
>You state: "Ace, the most damaging
>research about refractive surgery consequences has
>come out fairly recently.Can you find
>a LASIK surgeon who had LASIK
>within the past year?
Eye replied:
Actually I asked a question. No false claims whatsoever.
Bill Trattler said:
>Again - you have are making up
>statements - and in reality this
>is just your way of trying
>to put a negative spin on
>a known fact - and you
>are flat out wrong.
Eye said:
Again, I was asking a question. I think it's a good one.
Dr. Bill Trattler said:
> To answer this question - A LASIK
>surgeon in Ft. Lauderdale (who I
>am good freind with) had LASIK
>5 months ago. As well, I
>know plenty of LASIK surgeons who
>have operated on family members in
>the last year.
Eye replied:
Perhaps a 'LASIK surgeon' still does LASIK on the general public and
did a surface treatment on a relative in the past year... but do you
know a refractive surgeon who has performed LASIK on a relative in the
past year? Or had LASIK themselves? You claim to know ONE, and it is
indeed possible, of course.
I would question the judgement of any refractive surgeon who had LASIK
on themselves or performed LASIK on a relative RECENTLY, however.
Perhaps if they read your website this could have been prevented. There
is a reason why you don't perform LASIK any longer, correct?
Dr. Bill Trattler said:
> Finally - I know plenty of employees in
>offices who perform LASIK who have
>undergone their own refractive surgery in
>the last 18 months. And
>they see all of the good
>and all of the bad with
>refractive surgery.
Eye replied:
Semantics again. The offices may perform LASIK, but is this the
treatment they would suggest for their employees? Do you know plenty of
LASIK offices that have done LASIK on their employees RECENTLY? Do you
think this practice has declined, or is declining?
By the way... the only employee who had LASIK in the first office where
I was seen could no longer drive at night. The only employee in the 2nd
office where I was seen who had LASIK had dry eye and floaters as a
result of the procedure. The 2nd
technician has moved on, and the first one seems fairly conflicted
about her job.
The history of medicine is full of bad practices that have been
stopped. Because certain surgeries were routine at one time or are
still being performed here and there doesn't make them medically sound
or healthful. Know any surgeons who have had RK lately?
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| serebel 2005-11-16, 12:59 am |
| Nope, but they're still having RS in numbers.
SErebel
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| Name some refractive surgeons who are having refractive surgery on
themselves. My guess is they are too busy reading that their higher
order aberrations are likely going to increase, and that they will have
permenent nerve damage from the procedure. Better for them to inflict
damage on others for cash and keep their own eyes in good shape.
By the way, how's the dry eye going for you? Still having problems with
blurry vision in the morning for a few hours if you sleep with your eye
touching the pillow?
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| CatmanX 2005-11-19, 5:59 pm |
| You are a total tosser brent. Ophthals, optoms and staff are all still
gettting RS and loving it.
dr grant
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| serebel 2005-11-20, 1:01 am |
| Nope, no dry eyes, and no blurry vision. How you doin' ?
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| Glenn - USAEyes.org 2005-11-20, 12:59 pm |
| In the most recent survey of members of the American Society of
Cataract and Refractive Surgeons, 23% of responding ophthalmologists
have had some sort of refractive surgery. This is significantly more
than the estimated 5% of the general public.
Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
USAEyes.org
"Consider and Choose With Confidence"
Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
I am not a doctor.
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| serebel 2005-11-22, 1:02 am |
| Wonder how the loonies are gonna answer this one.
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| How many LASIK surgeons have had LASIK in the past year? Now that
problems with the surgery are being revealed in the literature....
Name 5 LASIK surgeons who have had LASIK in the past year. I throw down
this challenge! I also offer the wavefront challenge:
TAKE THE WAVEFRONT CHALLENGE
If you are considering wavefront-custom LASIK, take the wavefront
challenge (nomal virgin eyes only). Here's how:
Ask the surgeon to provide you with a copy of your pre-op wavefront
scans (these are the scans that measure those "small imperfections" in
your vision, known as higher order aberrations).
Wait 3 months for your eyes to stabilize, then have the surgeon repeat
the wavefront scan at the same pupil diameter of the pre-op scan.
Compare the before and after wavefront scans. Did the higher order
aberrations decrease as they claimed? If not, wavefront did not do what
they say it does. Don't be fooled by the total RMS numbers -- that
includes all that myopia and regular astigmatism they treated -- so of
course the total RMS will be lower.
Be sure to have a refraction done at 6 months, too. Does it read plano,
both eyes (no sphere, no cylinder)? If not, wavefront was not even
successful at correcting the error that glasses can correct. Any
refraction other than plano in both eyes means your vision can be
improved with glasses following wavefront custom LASIK. This is usually
the case.
Read the labeling:
http://www.fda.gov/cdrh/LASIK/lasers.htm
Wavefront does not reduce higher order aberrations (small imperfections
in your vision). It increases them!
So if your surgeon claims that wavefront will give you better vision
than you have with glasses, have him explain why the "small
imperfections" increased instead of decreased.
The Challenge: Is there even one patient, just one, who can show their
higher order aberrations decreased following wavefront-custom LASIK
(primary surgery)? Scour the earth to find one patient for whom
wavefront ACTUALLY WORKED.
Note: If your pupils are larger than 6mm, ask to have the scans taken
at your scotopic pupil diameter.
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| serebel 2005-11-22, 1:02 am |
| Eye, name the ones that didn't.
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| Glenn - USAEyes.org 2005-11-22, 1:02 am |
| Perhaps you could direct your questions to the American Society of
Cataract and Refractive Surgeons, who is the source of the survey.
Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
USAEyes.org
"Consider and Choose With Confidence"
Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
I am not a doctor.
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| Ragnar 2005-11-22, 11:00 am |
| LASIK has been performed in this country for roughly 10 years. And
before that, PRK, then RK. Just how many LASIK surgeons do you think
there are? And what percentage of them do you think are substantially
nearsighted enough to be LASIK candidates?
Here are some very rough numbers... if one assumed there are 600 LASIK
surgeons, and 10% of them were LASIK candidates.. that makes 60.
Spread over all the years of LASIK, PRK, RK that is not many LASIK
surgeons having refractive surgery per year.
The only data I have seen about LASIK surgeons having LASIK was 27%
which seems high to me. That is much higher than the population in
general. I doubt that 27% of them are sufficiently
nearsighted/farsighted to even have the surgery.
Basically, "Eye" Hanson is so full of it that it is coming out his
ears.
On 21 Nov 2005 19:52:43 -0800, "Eye" <eyetooamdamaged@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>How many LASIK surgeons have had LASIK in the past year? Now that
>problems with the surgery are being revealed in the literature....
>
>Name 5 LASIK surgeons who have had LASIK in the past year. I throw down
>this challenge! I also offer the wavefront challenge:
>
>TAKE THE WAVEFRONT CHALLENGE
>
>If you are considering wavefront-custom LASIK, take the wavefront
>challenge (nomal virgin eyes only). Here's how:
>
>Ask the surgeon to provide you with a copy of your pre-op wavefront
>scans (these are the scans that measure those "small imperfections" in
>your vision, known as higher order aberrations).
>
>Wait 3 months for your eyes to stabilize, then have the surgeon repeat
>the wavefront scan at the same pupil diameter of the pre-op scan.
>
>Compare the before and after wavefront scans. Did the higher order
>aberrations decrease as they claimed? If not, wavefront did not do what
>they say it does. Don't be fooled by the total RMS numbers -- that
>includes all that myopia and regular astigmatism they treated -- so of
>course the total RMS will be lower.
>
>Be sure to have a refraction done at 6 months, too. Does it read plano,
>both eyes (no sphere, no cylinder)? If not, wavefront was not even
>successful at correcting the error that glasses can correct. Any
>refraction other than plano in both eyes means your vision can be
>improved with glasses following wavefront custom LASIK. This is usually
>the case.
>
>Read the labeling:
>http://www.fda.gov/cdrh/LASIK/lasers.htm
>
>Wavefront does not reduce higher order aberrations (small imperfections
>in your vision). It increases them!
>
>So if your surgeon claims that wavefront will give you better vision
>than you have with glasses, have him explain why the "small
>imperfections" increased instead of decreased.
>
>The Challenge: Is there even one patient, just one, who can show their
>higher order aberrations decreased following wavefront-custom LASIK
>(primary surgery)? Scour the earth to find one patient for whom
>wavefront ACTUALLY WORKED.
>
>Note: If your pupils are larger than 6mm, ask to have the scans taken
>at your scotopic pupil diameter.
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| Ragnar 2005-11-22, 11:00 am |
| Correction... 27% of LASIK surgeons have had some type of refractive
surgery, not necessarily LASIK. That would include RK, PRK, LASIK,
H-LASIK, and cataract surgery.
On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 07:05:50 GMT, Ragnar <ragnarsuomi@yahoo.com>
wrote:
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>LASIK has been performed in this country for roughly 10 years. And
>before that, PRK, then RK. Just how many LASIK surgeons do you think
>there are? And what percentage of them do you think are substantially
>nearsighted enough to be LASIK candidates?
>Here are some very rough numbers... if one assumed there are 600 LASIK
>surgeons, and 10% of them were LASIK candidates.. that makes 60.
>Spread over all the years of LASIK, PRK, RK that is not many LASIK
>surgeons having refractive surgery per year.
>
>The only data I have seen about LASIK surgeons having LASIK was 27%
>which seems high to me. That is much higher than the population in
>general. I doubt that 27% of them are sufficiently
>nearsighted/farsighted to even have the surgery.
>
>Basically, "Eye" Hanson is so full of it that it is coming out his
>ears.
>
>
>
>On 21 Nov 2005 19:52:43 -0800, "Eye" <eyetooamdamaged@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>
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