Lasik Eyes Surgery - Question for Glenn

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Question for Glenn

djken@optusnet.com.au

2005-01-28, 8:11 am

Hi Glenn,
Did you eventually receive your summons from Ron? Sorry if this is
opening an old wound, but he made such a song and dance about it. I was
wondering if he was genuine or just blowing smoke.
Regards,
Linda

Glenn - USAEyes.org

2005-01-28, 8:11 am

Nope. Nothing. Nada. Zip.

Over the years Ron Link, founder of SurgicalEyes, has made many
accusations that I have defamed him, but other than him making a lot
of noise in this newsgroup, nothing has ever come of it, and I deny
ever saying anything about him and his shenanigans that was not either
factual or clearly my opinion.

I did once retract a statement in this newsgroup because I did not
readily have the substantiation available, but Link refused that
retraction. Ya give the guy what he says he wants then he rejects it.
Go figure.

Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
Council for Refractive Surgery Quality Assurance

Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org

http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org

I am not a doctor.

Ragnar

2005-01-31, 11:53 am

I can't think of any comment about Ron that wouldn't be negative.
What is amazing is how he managed to gain any notoriety in the first
place.

On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 12:24:06 GMT, Glenn - USAEyes.org
<glenn.hageleSTOPSPAM@USAEyes.org> wrote:

>Nope. Nothing. Nada. Zip.
>
>Over the years Ron Link, founder of SurgicalEyes, has made many
>accusations that I have defamed him, but other than him making a lot
>of noise in this newsgroup, nothing has ever come of it, and I deny
>ever saying anything about him and his shenanigans that was not either
>factual or clearly my opinion.
>
>I did once retract a statement in this newsgroup because I did not
>readily have the substantiation available, but Link refused that
>retraction. Ya give the guy what he says he wants then he rejects it.
>Go figure.
>
>
>Glenn Hagele
>Executive Director
>Council for Refractive Surgery Quality Assurance
>
>Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
>
>http://www.USAEyes.org
>http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
>
>I am not a doctor.

Ron Link

2005-01-31, 11:53 am

It's genuine.

The connnection between Glenn Hagele and Christopher Roiland is one of
the linch pins.

What makes it all the more interesting is the issue of statutes.

Glenn nor Christopher will be posting much about it.

Those who break the law often remain incredulous up until the very end.

Glenn - USAEyes.org

2005-01-31, 11:53 am

Those are interesting suppositions, Link. I'm sure we are all
interested in you proving it...or shutting up.

Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
Council for Refractive Surgery Quality Assurance

Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org

http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org

I am not a doctor.

serebel

2005-01-31, 11:53 am

Ron Link wrote:
> It's genuine.
>
> The connnection between Glenn Hagele and Christopher Roiland is one
of
> the linch pins.
>
> What makes it all the more interesting is the issue of statutes.
>
> Glenn nor Christopher will be posting much about it.
>
> Those who break the law often remain incredulous up until the very
end.

Oh please Shop Vac,
Put up or shut up. Besides, shouldn't you be busy right now extorting
money from SE,or mass spamming of it's members begging for change?
Maybe this is why Brian Sharer and Roger Davis don't want anything to
do with you. Even they know that you're off the deep end now.

SErebel

Ron Link

2005-01-31, 11:53 am

Are you prepared, Glenn Hagele, to answer under oath - that you have
never had email communications with Christopher Roiland?

Ron Link

2005-01-31, 11:53 am

SErebel. You're a coward. Whose your Daddy? Won't even own up to the
family name.

You don't know even know Brian Sharer nor Roger Davis.

A rebel? Ha. You've been swirling in the deep end look for a toe hold
and the best you can do is an ineffectual stab born of anonymity and
vitrol. You are the epitomy of cowardice.

djken@optusnet.com.au

2005-01-31, 11:53 am

Dear Ron,
I have had private email conversations with Dr G and Sandy. I am sure
that Glenn and Ragnar (Christopher) have had many private emails with
members of this NG. What does that prove? Sometimes it is easier to
email privately than to inflame situations if you post publicly. When
it comes to your legal grievances, would it not be more appropriate to
contact Glenn and Ragnar via private email?
Regards,
Linda

Ron Link

2005-01-31, 11:53 am

You're a coward "SErebel". Whose your Daddy? Won't even live up to the
family name?

You don't even know Brian Sharer nor Roger Davis.

You've been swirling in the "deep end", looking for a toe hold - the
best you can do is an ineffectual stab born of anonymity and vitrol?
I repeat myself - you are a coward.

serebel

2005-01-31, 11:53 am

Ron Link wrote:
> SErebel. You're a coward. Whose your Daddy? Won't even own up to the
> family name.
>
> You don't know even know Brian Sharer nor Roger Davis.
>
> A rebel? Ha. You've been swirling in the deep end look for a toe hold
> and the best you can do is an ineffectual stab born of anonymity and
> vitrol. You are the epitomy of cowardice.

Call me what you please, at least I don't have to beg for spare change
like the loser that you are. Even the lonie fringe of SE thinks you are
nuts too. Boy, that says a lot. Sharer posted a long diatribe on SE
stating he was quitting the organization a long time ago. Davis has
long stopped spewing his psycho babble on SE also. Looks like the RK
you had has finally penetrated your brain. I'm sure Glenn and rags are
quaking in their boots worrying about being sued by the likes of you.
Maybe your alter ego, Barnyard should take over the case.

SErebel

Ragnar

2005-01-31, 11:53 am

On 28 Jan 2005 19:52:19 -0800, "serebel" <serebel@aol.com> wrote:

>
>Ron Link wrote:
>
>Call me what you please, at least I don't have to beg for spare change
>like the loser that you are. Even the lonie fringe of SE thinks you are
>nuts too. Boy, that says a lot. Sharer posted a long diatribe on SE
>stating he was quitting the organization a long time ago. Davis has
>long stopped spewing his psycho babble on SE also. Looks like the RK
>you had has finally penetrated your brain. I'm sure Glenn and rags are
>quaking in their boots worrying about being sued by the likes of you.
>Maybe your alter ego, Barnyard should take over the case.
>
>SErebel

Who was it that was trying to get $56,000 out of Surgical Eyes for
money they owed him? Did he get it? I know I wouldn't be happy if
someone owed me $56,000.

I wonder where that person got the $56,000 to give in the first
place...hmmmm?

Glenn - USAEyes.org

2005-01-31, 11:53 am

Sure I have. What does that have to do with the price of tea in
China? I communicate with a lot of people. Hell, I'm even
communicating with you. Well, in the literal sense anyway.

Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
Council for Refractive Surgery Quality Assurance

Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org

http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org

I am not a doctor.

Glenn - USAEyes.org

2005-01-31, 11:53 am

Of course it would make more sense Linda, but then he wouldn't get to
play the Victim to an Internet audience, would he?

Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
Council for Refractive Surgery Quality Assurance

Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org

http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org

I am not a doctor.

Ron Link

2005-01-31, 11:53 am

Having my attorney contact them via private certified mail is
ultimately appropriate end to all of this.

I'm human and thereby do react when patently false and malicious things
are posted here.

Roiland even went so far as to contact all of SE's listed doctors on
several occasions with libelous content; a sponsor of its newsletter
(who forwarded me the email and advised Roiland be pursued for libel);

Hagele has gone out of his way to discredit SE by making false claims
to MicroSoft and others.

Hagele bought up every variation of Surgical Eyes available domain-wise
ought to be a window into his world as well as the fact that his
www.complicatedeyes.org has pages of supposed patient assistance that
have been "under construction" for months.

Hagele's been denied c(3) status by the IRS and he is in violation of
the law by stating on site that his status is pending. I'd expect the
IRS would be pleased if Hagele clears that up sooner than later. It's a
(c)6. Eventually, this will all catch up with him.

In any case, it's all documented and being updated with the latest
libel to further show that neither of them have stopped. I know my
attorney doesn't like it when I post here, so enough said.

djken@optusnet.com.au wrote:
> Dear Ron,
> I have had private email conversations with Dr G and Sandy. I am sure
> that Glenn and Ragnar (Christopher) have had many private emails with
> members of this NG. What does that prove? Sometimes it is easier to
> email privately than to inflame situations if you post publicly. When
> it comes to your legal grievances, would it not be more appropriate
to
> contact Glenn and Ragnar via private email?
> Regards,
> Linda

Glenn - USAEyes.org

2005-01-31, 11:53 am

>Hagele has gone out of his way to discredit SE by making false claims
>to MicroSoft and others.

So what is it called when you make false claims that I have made false
claims?

I've never made any false claims about SurgicalEyes to anyone, let
alone Microsoft. Everything I have ever said about you and/or
SurgicalEyes is accurate or clearly my opinion. If accurate
information discredits you and the organization you founded, that is
your problem.

>Hagele bought up every variation of Surgical Eyes available domain-wise
>ought to be a window into his world as well as the fact that his
>www.complicatedeyes.org has pages of supposed patient assistance that
>have been "under construction" for months.

And what, exactly, is illegal or defamation in that? You are going to
sue me because we haven't finished our sister website fast enough for
you? You intend to litigate because we legally and appropriately
purchased domain names?

>Hagele's been denied c(3) status by the IRS and he is in violation of
>the law by stating on site that his status is pending. I'd expect the
>IRS would be pleased if Hagele clears that up sooner than later. It's a
>(c)6.

We accurately state exactly what we are
(http://www.usaeyes.org/faq/about.html). If you think otherwise,
notify the IRS. They can quickly dispense with your meritless
accusation.

> Eventually, this will all catch up with him.

Nothing is there to catch up with me Link, but it does seem to me that
you are battling a few ghosts of your own.

Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
Council for Refractive Surgery Quality Assurance

Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org

http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org

I am not a doctor.

Ragnar

2005-01-31, 11:53 am

If anybody should be suing anybody... it should be Glenn suing Ron.
Glenn is too timid to do that... but I'm sure he's not too timid to
file a COUNTER-suit....

How about it folks.. have we had enough of the off-topic Perry Mason
thread?
I bet when Ron was a kid, he used to go around crying "I'm gonna tell
mommy! WAHHH!!!" As ridiculous as that sounds, that is
essentially what he is doing here.
I have a picture in my head of Glenn and Ron on a beach both building
a sand castle... Ron's gets washed away by a wave.. he starts crying..
and runs over to Glenn's castle to knock it down.
I'm guilty of something similar.. once when playing Monopoly, I was
losing badly and had no chance at recovering. Rather than spend the
next 20 minutes going bankrupt, I knocked the board and all the hotels
and motels onto the floor. That was very childish of me... but then..
I was seven years old at the time! Children tend to do childish
things. When someone Ron's age does sometihing similar, there is no
excuse.

On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 22:46:56 GMT, Glenn - USAEyes.org
<glenn.hageleSTOPSPAM@USAEyes.org> wrote:

>
>So what is it called when you make false claims that I have made false
>claims?
>
>I've never made any false claims about SurgicalEyes to anyone, let
>alone Microsoft. Everything I have ever said about you and/or
>SurgicalEyes is accurate or clearly my opinion. If accurate
>information discredits you and the organization you founded, that is
>your problem.
>
>
>And what, exactly, is illegal or defamation in that? You are going to
>sue me because we haven't finished our sister website fast enough for
>you? You intend to litigate because we legally and appropriately
>purchased domain names?
>
>
>We accurately state exactly what we are
>(http://www.usaeyes.org/faq/about.html). If you think otherwise,
>notify the IRS. They can quickly dispense with your meritless
>accusation.
>
>
>Nothing is there to catch up with me Link, but it does seem to me that
>you are battling a few ghosts of your own.
>
>
>
>Glenn Hagele
>Executive Director
>Council for Refractive Surgery Quality Assurance
>
>Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
>
>http://www.USAEyes.org
>http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
>
>I am not a doctor.