Lasik Eyes Surgery - The Essence of Surgical Eyes

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The Essence of Surgical Eyes

Shop Vac

2004-11-05, 7:14 pm

http://surgicaleyes.infopop.cc/eve/...nfopop.cc%2Feve

from the above:

"posted Mon April 16 2001 02:35 PM
Having had the opportunity to communicate with many of you, I would
like to share what I consider to be the most difficult and profound
challenge and opportunity that we face as post-refractives.

We have all gone through different stages of confrontation with
varying degrees of disability that have been visited upon us. What I
have come to know as a critical juncture in the healing process is
coming to a point of recognition that is both hellish and hopeful. How
can these two states of being co-exist at the same time? They really
can't for very long. Being in this state of being has to be a passing
through, a personal journey of indeterminate length …those of us
that have been through know that it is not an easy passage. One has to
be ready. How do you know when you're ready? Only you can answer that
question, but I can tell you that without a doubt that I have been
witness to many of you making your way through.

There comes a point when difficult choices have to be made. Letting go
of the past and the way things were is extremely hard. Surgical Eyes
is here to provide you with the support and information you need to
discover and utilize the truth of your post-refractives eyes and life
so that you can, in fact, live again. Live differently, yes, but still
alive and able to appreciate the depth and scope of Life.

Nobody who lives Life to the fullest in an integrated and
interdependent way with other people does so from the backseat. We as
post-refractives need to be in the driver's seat - in control of where
we go. Without that control, without accurate information and real
support, we are being driven around in the dark with the headlights
off and no map to guide us. Because of my job, I see people in many
different states of being post-refractively. When the full weight of
what has happened sinks into our heads and hearts, the hard times or
the opportunities for growth - begin. I say this without a shred of
piety or smugness. I've been there as have many of you -we've earned
the right to support, and at times, be tough on others like ourselves.

That point in your own personal journey; when you know you have to let
go and at the same time have hope for the future because you know the
truth, your own personal truth and the worlds of science, spirit and
economics as to where they are and at what point you will be helped;
then you begin to live in a new way. There may have been and may still
be times of bitterness, regret, hatred, longing, despair and even
rage;but if we allow those emotions to control us - then the horror of
what was done to you becomes you; you don't control it; it controls
and defines who you are - the evil has won.

That particular range of time, feeling, and intellectual grasp - is a
personal moment that one must pass through - an excruciating rite of
passage. When you do, you come out stronger with the best parts of
yourself intact - having learned something about living Life to the
fullest with what you do have power over and can control. Surgical
Eyes is a sanctuary and beacon of hope because we give each other the
daily gifts of compassion, patience, empathy, support, humor, small
kindnesses, comraderie, helpful information, watching out for each
other for snake oil science...the many facets that one finds in a
truly loving relationship. This part of the other side of that
passage...getting there is the hardest thing imaginable but we are
here for each other to sustain and evolve with.

If any lesson emerges for medical professionals, those whom we have
entrusted with our health and healing, it is that giving us the truth
- what happened to us, why and what the possibilities for
rehabilitation really truly are - if you don't have answers - tell us.
Give it to us straight. Otherwise, the disability controls us;we don't
control it. This control is the other side of the critical juncture
that I note above. Knowledge, information, empathy….we've had to
provide for ourselves; you as those given the charge of our health and
healing have fallen woefully short. Do we damn you for this failing?
No. But we will never stop letting you know what you've done and what
you need to do to really help us..

Surgical Eyes will continue to be at the forefront of identifying
potential solutions. I have more hope than I have had in the past
mainly because SE is gaining acceptance as not only a viable but as a
necessary conduit for the post-refractive with complications.

Small success stories are also more frequent these days because the
cloud of denial is being burned off by the light that we continue to
shine in the right directions...good solid information is starting to
move through this changing atmosphere. A sort of genesis has
begun..with your continued help and involvement - we will never stop.

A big thanks to you all,

Ron"

Anyone wishing to correspond- ronjohnlink@aol.com is my current email
address.

Glenn - USAEyes.org

2004-11-05, 7:14 pm

He's baaaaaack.

I guess that explains why the Board of Trustees of SurgicalEyes is
bailing ship and creating a new organization.

DoctorMyEye

2004-11-06, 11:09 am

I am sorry, Ron. I am unable to visit your essay about the "essence"
of Surgical Eyes because my IP Address has been blocked from visiting
there. Unfortunately, I wrote essays on your website that questioned
the laws, rules regulations and morals of BOTH the refractive surgery
industry and their protectors. Alas, when a "watcher" starts
questioning the morals and ethics of the other "watchers" he is
summarily dismissed.

I have to guess what appears in your essay about the "Essence of
Surgical Eyes". I guess it has little to say about isolationism,
anger, pettiness and greed.

ronlink@surgicaleyes.org (Shop Vac) wrote in message news:<aff06109.0411051541.4d8e4e51@posting.google.com>...
> http://surgicaleyes.infopop.cc/eve/...nfopop.cc%2Feve
>
> from the above:
>
> "posted Mon April 16 2001 02:35 PM
> Having had the opportunity to communicate with many of you, I would
> like to share what I consider to be the most difficult and profound
> challenge and opportunity that we face as post-refractives.
>
> We have all gone through different stages of confrontation with
> varying degrees of disability that have been visited upon us. What I
> have come to know as a critical juncture in the healing process is
> coming to a point of recognition that is both hellish and hopeful. How
> can these two states of being co-exist at the same time? They really
> can't for very long. Being in this state of being has to be a passing
> through, a personal journey of indeterminate length …those of us
> that have been through know that it is not an easy passage. One has to
> be ready. How do you know when you're ready? Only you can answer that
> question, but I can tell you that without a doubt that I have been
> witness to many of you making your way through.
>
> There comes a point when difficult choices have to be made. Letting go
> of the past and the way things were is extremely hard. Surgical Eyes
> is here to provide you with the support and information you need to
> discover and utilize the truth of your post-refractives eyes and life
> so that you can, in fact, live again. Live differently, yes, but still
> alive and able to appreciate the depth and scope of Life.
>
> Nobody who lives Life to the fullest in an integrated and
> interdependent way with other people does so from the backseat. We as
> post-refractives need to be in the driver's seat - in control of where
> we go. Without that control, without accurate information and real
> support, we are being driven around in the dark with the headlights
> off and no map to guide us. Because of my job, I see people in many
> different states of being post-refractively. When the full weight of
> what has happened sinks into our heads and hearts, the hard times or
> the opportunities for growth - begin. I say this without a shred of
> piety or smugness. I've been there as have many of you -we've earned
> the right to support, and at times, be tough on others like ourselves.
>
> That point in your own personal journey; when you know you have to let
> go and at the same time have hope for the future because you know the
> truth, your own personal truth and the worlds of science, spirit and
> economics as to where they are and at what point you will be helped;
> then you begin to live in a new way. There may have been and may still
> be times of bitterness, regret, hatred, longing, despair and even
> rage;but if we allow those emotions to control us - then the horror of
> what was done to you becomes you; you don't control it; it controls
> and defines who you are - the evil has won.
>
> That particular range of time, feeling, and intellectual grasp - is a
> personal moment that one must pass through - an excruciating rite of
> passage. When you do, you come out stronger with the best parts of
> yourself intact - having learned something about living Life to the
> fullest with what you do have power over and can control. Surgical
> Eyes is a sanctuary and beacon of hope because we give each other the
> daily gifts of compassion, patience, empathy, support, humor, small
> kindnesses, comraderie, helpful information, watching out for each
> other for snake oil science...the many facets that one finds in a
> truly loving relationship. This part of the other side of that
> passage...getting there is the hardest thing imaginable but we are
> here for each other to sustain and evolve with.
>
> If any lesson emerges for medical professionals, those whom we have
> entrusted with our health and healing, it is that giving us the truth
> - what happened to us, why and what the possibilities for
> rehabilitation really truly are - if you don't have answers - tell us.
> Give it to us straight. Otherwise, the disability controls us;we don't
> control it. This control is the other side of the critical juncture
> that I note above. Knowledge, information, empathy….we've had to
> provide for ourselves; you as those given the charge of our health and
> healing have fallen woefully short. Do we damn you for this failing?
> No. But we will never stop letting you know what you've done and what
> you need to do to really help us..
>
> Surgical Eyes will continue to be at the forefront of identifying
> potential solutions. I have more hope than I have had in the past
> mainly because SE is gaining acceptance as not only a viable but as a
> necessary conduit for the post-refractive with complications.
>
> Small success stories are also more frequent these days because the
> cloud of denial is being burned off by the light that we continue to
> shine in the right directions...good solid information is starting to
> move through this changing atmosphere. A sort of genesis has
> begun..with your continued help and involvement - we will never stop.
>
> A big thanks to you all,
>
> Ron"
>
> Anyone wishing to correspond- ronjohnlink@aol.com is my current email
> address.

Glenn Hagele NOT

2004-11-06, 7:10 pm

The essay was posted in total. Sorry I hadn't made that clear.

Glenn, I have zero desire to get into any discussion with you. Do you
ever put away the vitrole? Some things never change. Oh well.

doctor_my_eye@msn.com (DoctorMyEye) wrote in message news:<79e0f419.0411060702.7d87db1e@posting.google.com>...[vbcol=seagreen]
> I am sorry, Ron. I am unable to visit your essay about the "essence"
> of Surgical Eyes because my IP Address has been blocked from visiting
> there. Unfortunately, I wrote essays on your website that questioned
> the laws, rules regulations and morals of BOTH the refractive surgery
> industry and their protectors. Alas, when a "watcher" starts
> questioning the morals and ethics of the other "watchers" he is
> summarily dismissed.
>
> I have to guess what appears in your essay about the "Essence of
> Surgical Eyes". I guess it has little to say about isolationism,
> anger, pettiness and greed.
>
>
>
>
> ronlink@surgicaleyes.org (Shop Vac) wrote in message news:<aff06109.0411051541.4d8e4e51@posting.google.com>...

2004-11-06, 7:10 pm

In article <1cef9fa7.0411061516.1c95b18b@posting.google.com>,
ronjohnlink@aol.com (Glenn Hagele NOT) wrote:

> The essay was posted in total. Sorry I hadn't made that clear.
>
> Glenn, I have zero desire to get into any discussion with you. Do you
> ever put away the vitrole? Some things never change. Oh well.

Just thought I'd point out to you that it was Minarik who replied to
you, not Glenn. But it is true that some things never change.

serebel

2004-11-06, 10:08 pm

SE as you well know has morphed into a "clique" whinefest, where if
you are of a different point of view, you are cast out. So much for
openness there. It's pretty much become the Paula Cofer, Broken
Eyes,Scientist whine fest. Hell, even Phillys Knapp posts her tired
whines over at the LME site. You blew it, lost any credibility by
allowing your ego to first screw up SE. You thought you were Jim
Jones, a self appointed messiah. Post refractives don't need you. You
need post refractives to feed your ego. How pathetic.
Feel free to post on this website, but don't expect many here to kiss
your XXX. Let's see how thck your skin is.

SErebel

Glenn - USAEyes.org

2004-11-07, 2:08 am

Only Ron Link would consider it necessary to identify himself as not
me. How very, very sad.

Now I have to KillFile yet another author's name.

Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
Council for Refractive Surgery Quality Assurance

Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org

http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org

I am not a doctor.

Glenn - USAEyes.org

2004-11-07, 2:08 am

Thanks RT, but that was Ron Link posting as not me.

Glenn Hagele
Executive Director
Council for Refractive Surgery Quality Assurance

Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org

http://www.USAEyes.org
http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org

I am not a doctor.

Ragnar Suomi

2004-11-08, 7:12 pm

Exactly.
Sometime over a year ago, I got some useful information from there.
Unfortunately, the severely warped malcontents that her website
inherited from SE have destroyed her website.
It's a shame how few websites are out there to get good information
from.

On 6 Nov 2004 20:01:32 -0800, serebel@aol.com (serebel) wrote:

>SE as you well know has morphed into a "clique" whinefest, where if
>you are of a different point of view, you are cast out. So much for
>openness there. It's pretty much become the Paula Cofer, Broken
>Eyes,Scientist whine fest. Hell, even Phillys Knapp posts her tired
>whines over at the LME site. You blew it, lost any credibility by
>allowing your ego to first screw up SE. You thought you were Jim
>Jones, a self appointed messiah. Post refractives don't need you. You
>need post refractives to feed your ego. How pathetic.
>Feel free to post on this website, but don't expect many here to kiss
>your XXX. Let's see how thck your skin is.
>
>
>
>SErebel

Ragnar Suomi

2004-11-08, 7:12 pm

The origianl message was from ShopVac which is Ron's old alias. The
G.H. NOT is also Ron
the message he posted is nearly 4 years old! It's pitiful that he
even bothers to archive such obsolete garbage.

On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 04:23:38 GMT, Glenn - USAEyes.org
<glenn.hageleSTOPSPAM@USAEyes.org> wrote:

>Thanks RT, but that was Ron Link posting as not me.
>
>Glenn Hagele
>Executive Director
>Council for Refractive Surgery Quality Assurance
>
>Email to glenn dot hagele at usaeyes dot org
>
>http://www.USAEyes.org
>http://www.ComplicatedEyes.org
>
>I am not a doctor.