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| Mermaid 2004-11-08, 11:09 am |
| Hello all,
I recently ran into this stuff called Goji Juice from the Himalayas. I think
the scientific name is lycium barbarum.
Have you heard of it or can you point me in the direction of real
information on what it does for the Lupus patient?
I am not looking for an instant cure. Just wondering if it is a farce, sales
pitch or is there really some benefit to us.
Don't want to wake up my immune system too much.
Hope everyone had a good weekend.
Much Hugs,
Paulette Ethyl Mermaid
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| Mermaid wrote:
> Hello all,
> I recently ran into this stuff called Goji Juice from the Himalayas. I think
> the scientific name is lycium barbarum.
> Have you heard of it or can you point me in the direction of real
> information on what it does for the Lupus patient?
> I am not looking for an instant cure. Just wondering if it is a farce, sales
> pitch or is there really some benefit to us.
> Don't want to wake up my immune system too much.
hun, these juice things.
they give them exotic names and claim they are from exotic places and have
special powers, then they claim they're good for arthritis, anti-aging, lupus,
cancer, and just about any disease. . Usually expensive. I was researching one
for someone else called Mangosteen. $37.00 . If the same thing was sold in the
grocery store, it would be $7.00. They are scams. Perhaps there are different
fruits and berries in the Himalayas (Tibet) but our fruit is good too.
Anyway, it looks to me that it increases immune activity, because PubMed
mentions that extract of lycium barbarum "may induce immune response".
<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...1&dopt=Abstract>
Hugs Paulette,
J
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| While I don't know what claims have been made...
This is a member of the nightshade family which lupus and arthritis patients
are warned about using in excess. The nightshades (Solanaceae) have a
natural insectiside they make that is also toxic to humans on a certain
level and is thought to increase inflammatory reactions. Other examples of
nightshades: Peppers, potato, tobacco, tomato, tomatillo, oh... yes and
"Deadly Nightshade." :P Now, as to how much this particular plant is a
risk, I don't know. For myself, I would stay away from it. I have a
reaction to capsacin which is the main ingredient in peppers. Capsacin
cream blisters my skin.
it may be the mild inflammatory response from nightshades that is being
touted as useful in this juice.
I found one reference in PubMed to it possibly interacting with Warfarin
(the patient took it in an herbal tea)
From the Global Compendium of Weeds (yes, that's really a resource on the
web)
the brief description ends with. "Cultivated - Toxic - Medicinal/culinary
uses"
Remember - tobacco is cultivated and toxic and was once thought to have
medicinal use as well. If you decide to try it - keep records for at least
the first two weeks to make sure that you do not experience an adverse
reaction or an interaction with other things you are taking. And I
certainly wouldn't try it if you're on a blood thinner.
---
KCat
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"Mermaid" <ptawzer@tflt.com> wrote in message
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> Hello all,
> I recently ran into this stuff called Goji Juice from the Himalayas. I
think
> the scientific name is lycium barbarum.
> Have you heard of it or can you point me in the direction of real
> information on what it does for the Lupus patient?
> I am not looking for an instant cure. Just wondering if it is a farce,
sales
> pitch or is there really some benefit to us.
> Don't want to wake up my immune system too much.
>
> Hope everyone had a good weekend.
>
> Much Hugs,
> Paulette Ethyl Mermaid
>
>
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| Mermaid 2004-11-08, 7:12 pm |
| Ok KCat,
You got me scared. Are you saying I should not eat the foods you mentioned
below?
I am trying to lose weight and not eating Tomatoes and Potatoes shoots it
right in the toe.
Also, please do not make fun of me or think badly of me but I am feeling so
bad, not to
belittle what us Lupus people go through. But every time I look in the
mirror and try to
get up in the morning, I want to cry. I just want to have energy again and
not ache and
still look young like every one says I do. This wedding thing did a number
on me. I do
not blame my daughter but I need a stress remedy. Sorry to cry on your
shoulder.
And yes I guess I need to suck it up and face reality. I am getting older,
while I struggle and
kick at this aging thing. Maybe I am getting into a little lupus depression
here.
I want to get into some kind of fitness program, hoping that will help me
feel better and help
on the stress thing too. I guess there is no quick fix. Ha, Ha I even break
out and swell up
everytime I try to use some of the "latest" skin anti-aging wrinkle creams.
There has got to
be a natural route somewhere. Oh I am just jabbering.
If anyone can shed a light on this, it would help but if I need a slap on
the face to wake up that is
ok too.
How about a makeover!
Paulette Ethyl Mermaid
"KCat" <kcattx@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:EzMjd.18266$bP2.540@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...
> While I don't know what claims have been made...
>
> This is a member of the nightshade family which lupus and arthritis
patients
> are warned about using in excess. The nightshades (Solanaceae) have a
> natural insectiside they make that is also toxic to humans on a certain
> level and is thought to increase inflammatory reactions. Other examples
of
> nightshades: Peppers, potato, tobacco, tomato, tomatillo, oh... yes and
> "Deadly Nightshade." :P Now, as to how much this particular plant is a
> risk, I don't know. For myself, I would stay away from it. I have a
> reaction to capsacin which is the main ingredient in peppers. Capsacin
> cream blisters my skin.
>
> it may be the mild inflammatory response from nightshades that is being
> touted as useful in this juice.
>
> I found one reference in PubMed to it possibly interacting with Warfarin
> (the patient took it in an herbal tea)
>
> From the Global Compendium of Weeds (yes, that's really a resource on the
> web)
>
> the brief description ends with. "Cultivated - Toxic - Medicinal/culinary
> uses"
>
> Remember - tobacco is cultivated and toxic and was once thought to have
> medicinal use as well. If you decide to try it - keep records for at
least
> the first two weeks to make sure that you do not experience an adverse
> reaction or an interaction with other things you are taking. And I
> certainly wouldn't try it if you're on a blood thinner.
>
> ---
>
> KCat
>
> For Pen Talk, Images, Trading and Reviews: The Fountain Pen Network
> http://pagesperso.laposte.net/fpnet
>
> For Lupus Support and Info
> http://www.ghg.net/schwerpt/ASLFAQ/
>
> "Mermaid" <ptawzer@tflt.com> wrote in message
> news:10ov1i52f73oudf@corp.supernews.com...
> think
> sales
>
>
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| > Ok KCat,
> You got me scared. Are you saying I should not eat the foods you mentioned
> below?
no. But I am saying that some of them *in excess* could cause inflammatory
problems. Especially those that are higher in capsacin and some of the
natural toxins the plants make. Tomatillos btb, are toxic if not ripe. But
safe to eat when ripe. it's just a matter of moderation, IMO.
The point of something like the Goji tea (juice) is to concentrate it and I
assume that when taken as a supplement that it is used daily. This is where
a problem might occur. It is similar to the alfalfa problem - most patients
can probably eat sprouts occasionally with no trouble at all. But when it
is used as a base for many dietary supplements the patient then gets a large
daily dose without realizing it and can't understand why they feel sick.
Another is Noni juice - this stuff is probably pretty tame for the average
person, but it's high in potassium and so could be a risk to heart and
kidney patients. My point in mentioning these things is to stress again -
moderation moderation moderation. a helping of potatoes 2 or 3 times a week
won't hurt you. Tomato sauce (oohh yuuum) might stir up some acid but
again, in "normal" doses shouldn't be a problem.
> I am trying to lose weight and not eating Tomatoes and Potatoes shoots it
> right in the toe.
Are these things you are eating as staples because they are low fat? I
don't know what I'd do without both of those in my diet at least sometimes.
Love both.
> not blame my daughter but I need a stress remedy. Sorry to cry on your
> shoulder.
well, we are a support group so you're welcome to cry on the collective
shoulder whenever you like. It's what we're here for. ASL is not just
about lupus - it's support for all aspects of life. Our focus may be lupus
or autoimmune disease, but we've never turned away from other issues people
need to talk about and need support for. I post about my dog rather often
'cause she's been sick for the past year or so and she's getting old and
she's my second kid. so... don't ever feel like you can't talk about things
that are bothering you.
> And yes I guess I need to suck it up and face reality.
why? I mean. sure, we have to face reality but "sucking it up" to me
implies that we have to be superhuman. The people who tell you to suck it
up - are people who can't deal with their own problems but won't admit it.
They might not relate to what you're going through but i bet if you did some
digging you find out they were not "sucking up" issues with a spouse, or a
kid, or finances, or job or.. you get the idea.
> I want to get into some kind of fitness program, hoping that will help me
> feel better and help
I started with some extremely mild yoga poses. i've moved up to a fairly
light Pilates workout and it has helped a lot with various things. Not the
least of which is my ego. :-)
so there are methods out there - it can just take some time to find what
works for you. I highly recommend yoga though - even if all you do is the
breathing exercises every day.
> Ha, Ha I even break out and swell up
> everytime I try to use some of the "latest" skin anti-aging wrinkle
creams.
not surprising. Most of these have acids in them. They may be mild acids
for most people, but autoimmune patients tend to have sensitive skin and
have more allergic reactions. So such things are a big no-no for me.
> There has got to
> be a natural route somewhere.
well - as far as the skin issue - plenty of fluids daily, proper nutrition,
stay out of the sun!!! and a gentle lotion when needed. I find shea butter
to be the least reactive with my skin. you can buy it pure (i recommend
NASAAB in TX because they don't overprocess it). it's greasy. But it has
no perfume, no dye, no nothin that can irritate your skin. Assuming you
aren't allergic to shea butter! (very rare I would think)
I turned 40 this year and it was a bit more difficult than I expected. For
various reasons. I will confess I feel much better about how I look since
starting the pilates but I really did start out on the low end. There's a
video called "you can do Pilates" which is absolute beginner stuff.
I'd recommend you take it easy on yourself - don't judge yourself so
harshly. But that would be incredibly hypocritical of me because I do just
that on a daily basis. Judge myself that is.
take care,
kcat
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| Stephanie Townsend 2004-11-09, 2:09 am |
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>
> why? I mean. sure, we have to face reality but "sucking it up" to me
> implies that we have to be superhuman. The people who tell you to suck it
> up - are people who can't deal with their own problems but won't admit it.
> They might not relate to what you're going through but i bet if you did
> some
> digging you find out they were not "sucking up" issues with a spouse, or a
> kid, or finances, or job or.. you get the idea.
I want to second what kcat said about "sucking it up". This was a favorite
phrase used by my family as I was growing up. While I think there are times
when we have to take a deep breath, hold in what is going on, and press
onward because of situations, a constant "sucking it up" (or stuffing our
emotions, anger, frustration, etc) can be very detrimental. Trying to be
superhuman, always "fine", etc. brought me into a lot of trouble in my life.
This illness, while it has been a constant challenge since its onset a
couple years ago, has really helped me begin to work through this notion
that I always need to be fine. A healthy balance is what I am looking for -
who knows if I'll ever find it. So, while I don't recommend spending your
days wollowing - healthy grieving and expressing negative emotions is so
essential to not only your mental health but your physical health as well! I
am in the field of health psychology - and is emotions/mental states didn't
affect bodily functioning I would be out of a job! Anywho, I am so sorry you
are struggling so much. I know how body image really affects everything as
well. Everything is so interconnected. Please know you are in my prayers
tonight.
Stephanie
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| Mermaid 2004-11-09, 7:09 am |
| Thank you Kcat and Stephanie,
For your concern and taking time to consol me. I just seems like everything
has snowballed lately.
Including last night, after my husband had surgery last Wednesday, he
decided he was bored and went downstairs to his workshop and managed to put
a huge slice right through the middle of his left thumb, fingernail and all.
I had to rush home and take care of him. That is why I did not respond until
this morning. I need some peace for my body and soul. And I thank you
greatly for your prayers. I have been doing a lot of that lately myself.
My husband is taking a new position at work which may mean a cut in pay for
a while so I face that in the future too.
Life is such a rollercoaster. It has been that all my life. You would think
I would get used to it.
Anyway I appreciate your encouraging words.
I feel hugged,
Paulette
"Stephanie Townsend" <lerchy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I want to second what kcat said about "sucking it up". This was a favorite
> phrase used by my family as I was growing up. While I think there are
times
> when we have to take a deep breath, hold in what is going on, and press
> onward because of situations, a constant "sucking it up" (or stuffing our
> emotions, anger, frustration, etc) can be very detrimental. Trying to be
> superhuman, always "fine", etc. brought me into a lot of trouble in my
life.
> This illness, while it has been a constant challenge since its onset a
> couple years ago, has really helped me begin to work through this notion
> that I always need to be fine. A healthy balance is what I am looking
for -
> who knows if I'll ever find it. So, while I don't recommend spending your
> days wollowing - healthy grieving and expressing negative emotions is so
> essential to not only your mental health but your physical health as well!
I
> am in the field of health psychology - and is emotions/mental states
didn't
> affect bodily functioning I would be out of a job! Anywho, I am so sorry
you
> are struggling so much. I know how body image really affects everything as
> well. Everything is so interconnected. Please know you are in my prayers
> tonight.
>
> Stephanie
>
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