Impotence Support - Question for Ceebis Users

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Question for Ceebis Users

Wanderer

2006-08-26, 8:22 am

Last night, after taking 20 mg of Ceebis, I happened to check my blood
pressure, which I do from time to time. While my BP was fine, my heart rate
was elevated. Pulse was pushing 90 beats per minute, as opposed to my usual
resting heart rate of about 68 beats per minute. I checked again a while
later and got the same results. Has anyone noticed a similar effect of
Ceebis? I am wondering if they may have juiced it with some kind of
stimulant. This leads me to a larger question: do we have any solid
information whatsoever about the Ceebis that is sold through All Day Chemist,
other than what they say on their website, and what is printed on the packet?
Has anyone been able to verify that the content of the drug is simply
tadalafil? I've also noticed lately that All Day Chemist has removed Ceebis
from their list of brand names. They now offer generics of Cialis under
different names. What's up with that? I know for a fact that the Ceebis stuff
has a very weird taste... different from store-bought Cialis. Any insights
and/or experiences appreciated.

Wanderer

Ignatz's Bricks

2006-08-27, 4:23 pm

Wanderer asks:

> Last night, after taking 20 mg of Ceebis, I happened to check my blood
> pressure, which I do from time to time. While my BP was fine, my heart rate
> was elevated.

I've never used Ceebis, but Josh's cialis at 20mg drops my BP between 5
and 10 points and raises my heart beat about 10 beats per minute. The
heart beat rate drops within a half hour after I drink any liquid.
40mg gives me a positively racing heart. I did not check the rate the
two times I tried it and don't plan to repeat that experiment.

If you have a digital scale, you will also detect that cialis apparently
causes water retention and raises you weight one to two pounds.

I've discovered that by taking only a quarter tablet - 5mg - lessens
these side effects and the medicine actually works better in producing
an erection.

I've had the heart beat rate increase and BP drop even worse with Josh's
now-discontinued green viagra and about the same as Cailis with real
Viagara. However with Caverta, this does not happen and Caverta seems
to give me a better erection, so I conclude that there is some
difference between the different manufacturers of vitamin V.

Ignatz.

Wanderer

2006-08-28, 9:21 pm

On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 11:11:14 -0400, Ignatz's Bricks wrote
(in article <44f1a919$0$15892$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com> ):

> Wanderer asks:
>
>
>
> I've never used Ceebis, but Josh's cialis at 20mg drops my BP between 5
> and 10 points and raises my heart beat about 10 beats per minute. The
> heart beat rate drops within a half hour after I drink any liquid.
> 40mg gives me a positively racing heart. I did not check the rate the
> two times I tried it and don't plan to repeat that experiment.
>
> If you have a digital scale, you will also detect that cialis apparently
> causes water retention and raises you weight one to two pounds.
>
> I've discovered that by taking only a quarter tablet - 5mg - lessens
> these side effects and the medicine actually works better in producing
> an erection.
>
> I've had the heart beat rate increase and BP drop even worse with Josh's
> now-discontinued green viagra and about the same as Cailis with real
> Viagara. However with Caverta, this does not happen and Caverta seems
> to give me a better erection, so I conclude that there is some
> difference between the different manufacturers of vitamin V.
>
> Ignatz.

Thanks, Ignatz. I am going to experiment with store-bought Cialis and see if
the increase in heart rate is consistent with Ceebis. If not, for sure those
XXXXers are adding something besides tadalafil to the meds. Will keep you
posted.

Wanderer

Wanderer

2006-08-29, 4:22 pm

On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 18:34:44 -0400, Wanderer wrote
(in article <0001HW.C118E7C5001ECC96F0284530@130.81.64.196> ):

> On Sun, 27 Aug 2006 11:11:14 -0400, Ignatz's Bricks wrote
> (in article <44f1a919$0$15892$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com> ):
>
>
> Thanks, Ignatz. I am going to experiment with store-bought Cialis and see if
> the increase in heart rate is consistent with Ceebis. If not, for sure those
> XXXXers are adding something besides tadalafil to the meds. Will keep you
> posted.
>
> Wanderer

So... experiment completed. 20 mg of store-bought Cialis causes NO increase
in heart rate. There is definitely some kind of stimulant added to Ceebis...
at least to the batch I got.

Wanderer

Pseud O. Nym

2006-08-29, 4:22 pm

Wanderer <unlisted@gmail.com> wrote in
news:0001HW.C119B91D0007864DF0488530@130.81.64.196:

>
> So... experiment completed. 20 mg of store-bought Cialis causes NO
> increase in heart rate. There is definitely some kind of stimulant
> added to Ceebis... at least to the batch I got.
>
> Wanderer
>

+++++

For most folks heart rate and blood pressure are "up and down like a
YoYo" "all day .... every day" so you need to study it over a period of
time.

I discussed this with my doctor once and I asked him:

How do you know if blood pressure is a problem that requires
medication ?

He said that it is normal to get widely varying readings every time you
measure it and that the only way to know for certain is to monitor it
over an extended period of time.

I take my blood pressure and pulse rate readings several times per day
and I am beginning to wonder if the Diovan prescription that I am on is
really needed.

PON

Wanderer

2006-08-29, 4:22 pm

On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:36:57 -0400, Pseud O. Nym wrote
(in article <Xns982E61E86A963blurryvision@24.93.43.119> ):

> Wanderer <unlisted@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:0001HW.C119B91D0007864DF0488530@130.81.64.196:
>
>
> +++++
>
> For most folks heart rate and blood pressure are "up and down like a
> YoYo" "all day .... every day" so you need to study it over a period of
> time.
>
> I discussed this with my doctor once and I asked him:
>
> How do you know if blood pressure is a problem that requires
> medication ?
>
> He said that it is normal to get widely varying readings every time you
> measure it and that the only way to know for certain is to monitor it
> over an extended period of time.
>
> I take my blood pressure and pulse rate readings several times per day
> and I am beginning to wonder if the Diovan prescription that I am on is
> really needed.
>
> PON

My doctor tried for years to get me on a BP med. I tried them all and
experienced miserable side effects. I embarked on a program to control BP
through diet and exercise. I bought a BP machine. First, I noticed that my BP
was never as high as it was in the doc's office, so I definitely was a victim
of white coat fever. After losing 25 pounds or so, and exercising regularly,
my BP hovers around 120 over 70. When I take Cialis, it drops about ten
points. So before embarking on a lifetime of taking a BP medication, you
might want to see what you can do by controlling factors within your control.
As for heart rate going up and down like a yo-yo, I think that's nonsense. It
goes up when you're under stress or exercising. But my normal resting heart
rate is about 70 beats per minute... measured most nights at about the same
time, never varies more than a few beats. Taking Ceebis jacked it up to 90
beats per minute. There were no other factors that could have been
responsible.

Wanderer

LMac

2006-08-29, 4:22 pm

Wanderer wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 18:34:44 -0400, Wanderer wrote
> (in article <0001HW.C118E7C5001ECC96F0284530@130.81.64.196> ):
>
======= snip =========
>
> So... experiment completed. 20 mg of store-bought Cialis causes NO increase
> in heart rate. There is definitely some kind of stimulant added to Ceebis...
> at least to the batch I got.
>
> Wanderer
>
Probably a very accurate observation and analysis.

Not unusual for foreign supplements and Asian herbals. Ephedrine and
it's herbal relatives frequently find their way into a variety of
pills--little message to let the buyer know that something is
happening--and that the money was "well spent." When I was stationed in
Japan, I found OTC remedies that acted this way. The Japanese version
of our beloved APC had a monster shot of caffeine or some other
stimulant--hit like a handful of NoDoze.

I dated a Hong Kong chemist (pharmacist) for a couple of weeks and asked
about this -- she said that it was sound practice since it helped
prevent people from taking an overdose.

This would be appropriate in an imitation of Cialis since that drug, in
its legit form, has few of the immediate Viagra/Kamagra-type "messenger"
side effects.

....Lmac

Ignatz's Bricks

2006-08-29, 9:22 pm

Wanderer wrote:

>
>
> . . . . . After losing 25 pounds or so, and exercising regularly,
> my BP hovers around 120 over 70. When I take Cialis, it drops about ten
> points. . . . . . It (heartbeat)
> goes up when you're under stress or exercising. But my normal resting heart
> rate is about 70 beats per minute... measured most nights at about the same
> time, never varies more than a few beats. Taking Ceebis jacked it up to 90
> beats per minute. There were no other factors that could have been
> responsible.

I'd say you have a good chance of being correct, but I would not base
judgment on a single test. How well you are hydrated also determines if
your heart beat goes up when your blood pressure drops due to a
medication. One of the tricks to lessen this side effect is to wash
down the viagra/cialis with a glass of water.

Ignatz

Wanderer

2006-08-30, 9:23 pm

On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 18:32:31 -0400, Ignatz's Bricks wrote
(in article <44f4b391$0$15901$8f2e0ebb@news.shared-secrets.com> ):

> Wanderer wrote:
>
>
> I'd say you have a good chance of being correct, but I would not base
> judgment on a single test. How well you are hydrated also determines if
> your heart beat goes up when your blood pressure drops due to a
> medication. One of the tricks to lessen this side effect is to wash
> down the viagra/cialis with a glass of water.
>
> Ignatz

Yep... I am trying to work up the courage for another experiment with the
Ceebis. But LMac's observation that the increased heart rate could be due to
Ephedra, commonly added to off-brand Asian generics, is giving me second
thoughts. I prefer my drug-induced erections without a pounding pulse and
caffeine jitters, even if they cost a few bucks more.

Wanderer