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| stryped 2006-08-15, 8:23 am |
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I have suffered form PE my whole life. Tried everythign, SSRI's
prescribed for this purpose, exercises, talk therapy etc. I just seem
"wired" that way.
I am interested in trying MUSE or caverject inhopes it will allow me to
'maintain" even after PE. The problem is, I think most urologist will
not prescribe these things for PE, only for erection problems and only
then as a last resort.
How could I get around this? Is it possible for a family doctor to
prescribe this?
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| Jerry Sturdivant 2006-08-15, 9:21 pm |
| > How could I get around this? Is it possible for a family
> doctor to prescribe this?
Tell them you have impotence problems. But go to a urologists.
Jerry of ASI
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| stryped 2006-08-15, 9:21 pm |
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If I dont have impotnce and take MUSE will it hurt me?
Jerry Sturdivant wrote:
>
> Tell them you have impotence problems. But go to a urologists.
>
>
> Jerry of ASI
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| Wanderer 2006-08-15, 9:21 pm |
| On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 08:42:28 -0400, stryped wrote
(in article <1155645748.555955.98720@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> ):
> x-no-archive:yes
>
> I have suffered form PE my whole life. Tried everythign, SSRI's
> prescribed for this purpose, exercises, talk therapy etc. I just seem
> "wired" that way.
>
> I am interested in trying MUSE or caverject inhopes it will allow me to
> 'maintain" even after PE. The problem is, I think most urologist will
> not prescribe these things for PE, only for erection problems and only
> then as a last resort.
>
> How could I get around this? Is it possible for a family doctor to
> prescribe this?
>
You might want to try Viagra if you haven't experimented with that yet. For
many users, it delays or even prevents orgasm. But whether it's Caverject or
Viagra, you need to go to a doctor. If you live in a small town, travel to a
larger one. You can sometimes shop by phone... call uros within 50 miles or
whatever distance seems reasonable, and ask the nurse whether the doc is
familiar with Caverject, etc.
Wanderer
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| stryped 2006-08-15, 9:21 pm |
| x-no-archive:yes
Took viagra and had a reaction. thought I was going to die.
Did not work to delay either.
Wanderer wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 08:42:28 -0400, stryped wrote
> (in article <1155645748.555955.98720@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> ):
>
>
> You might want to try Viagra if you haven't experimented with that yet. For
> many users, it delays or even prevents orgasm. But whether it's Caverject or
> Viagra, you need to go to a doctor. If you live in a small town, travel to a
> larger one. You can sometimes shop by phone... call uros within 50 miles or
> whatever distance seems reasonable, and ask the nurse whether the doc is
> familiar with Caverject, etc.
>
> Wanderer
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| Citizen 2006-08-15, 9:21 pm |
| What reaction did you get from the viagra? Do you remember what dose
you took, 100mg., 50mg.?
What is your experience with the second or third orgasm? Do you last
longer after the first go? It always took me longer to cum after the
first ejaculation. Do you have any problem getting another erection
after fifteen minutes or so? If not, perhaps you should consider
letting the first one go and keeping making love to your partner,
orally if necessary, until you can get an erection again and then pick
up where you left off. Is you partner(s) understanding about your
problem? Will that person work with you to overcome this?
To be honest I am not clear on how ED drugs are supposed to help PE?
But I could not imagine that a family doctor would not give you a
prescription to try MUSE. That is expensive btw. I paid $155.00 for
six doses the last time a couple of years ago. Now the injections may
be another matter. For one you may have trouble getting trimix or
bimix at a local pharmacy. I could not. I had to go to a compounding
pharmacy to get those, and again it was expensive. I did get the MUSE
from the local CVS, but they had to order it. That was not carried in
inventory at the store.
Good luck to you. Don't get depressed over this. I have been impotent
since the prostate surgery, and incontinent of urine, so you are in
much better shape than me. Just work on the problem and hopefully you
can get support from your partner.
stryped wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
> x-no-archive:yes
>
> Took viagra and had a reaction. thought I was going to die.
>
> Did not work to delay either.
> Wanderer wrote:
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| stryped wrote:
> x-no-archive:yes
>
> Took viagra and had a reaction. thought I was going to die.
>
> Did not work to delay either.
> Wanderer wrote:
>
I think I've got a brown belt in P.E. and have about 50 years of
experience in dealing with it.
I go along with Citizen's post -- tell us a bit more about that Viagra
"reaction." What other meds do you take? What were the circumstances
etc. If you're comfortable share some history.
What happens when you try the old ploy of knocking yourself down with
one or two masturbation sessions several hours before a sexual
encounter? (Something that worked well for me when I was in my 20s--and
has worked sometimes in later life.)
My Uro considers that P.E. is just one facet of the overall E.D. picture
and I think that Uros who are good in the field of E.D. go along with
that concept.
The guys you meet here all come from a different bag on this -- I tend
to be very simplistic. Others have extensive experience in more
sophisticated approaches and the group has plenty of advise available on
'looking under the hood' at hormone levels and the Endocrinological side
of E.D. and P.E.
Welcome ....Lmac
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| stryped 2006-08-15, 9:21 pm |
| x-no-archive:yes
It was 50 mg I think. My heart started racing becaus emy blood pressure
dropped I think. (I soemtimes have low blood pressure). My face turned
beat red and felt like it was on fire. Just like a Niacin flush but
times 10. Several days later I had troubl catching my breath. I also
have a heart murmur and bradycardi/tachycardia. I am 35. Had a ekg and
cardiolgist said everything looked ok.
Ever since the viagra inscident my body has been super sensitive to
medication. I could not even take baby asprin after that incident
without my heart racing. I am afraid even if I take MUSE the same thing
will happen and I wont know whther it is actually the drug or my mind.
I also worry about priaprism and trying to explain to my wife why I
have to go to the emergency room. (I dont want to tell her I am taking
ED drugs if I can help it).
After my first orgasm it would take a long time to "recharge" and then,
only after alot of effort.
My wife does not want to help me with the problem. She does not see it
as a problem but I do.
I was thinking muse or caverject would help by enableing an errection
after ejaculation.
This problem has haunted me my entire life and kills my confidence. I
am thinking of faxing some stuff off the web to my family doctor to see
if he will try MUSE.
Did muse allow you to retain an erection after ejaculation?
Citizen wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
> What reaction did you get from the viagra? Do you remember what dose
> you took, 100mg., 50mg.?
>
> What is your experience with the second or third orgasm? Do you last
> longer after the first go? It always took me longer to cum after the
> first ejaculation. Do you have any problem getting another erection
> after fifteen minutes or so? If not, perhaps you should consider
> letting the first one go and keeping making love to your partner,
> orally if necessary, until you can get an erection again and then pick
> up where you left off. Is you partner(s) understanding about your
> problem? Will that person work with you to overcome this?
>
> To be honest I am not clear on how ED drugs are supposed to help PE?
> But I could not imagine that a family doctor would not give you a
> prescription to try MUSE. That is expensive btw. I paid $155.00 for
> six doses the last time a couple of years ago. Now the injections may
> be another matter. For one you may have trouble getting trimix or
> bimix at a local pharmacy. I could not. I had to go to a compounding
> pharmacy to get those, and again it was expensive. I did get the MUSE
> from the local CVS, but they had to order it. That was not carried in
> inventory at the store.
>
> Good luck to you. Don't get depressed over this. I have been impotent
> since the prostate surgery, and incontinent of urine, so you are in
> much better shape than me. Just work on the problem and hopefully you
> can get support from your partner.
>
>
> stryped wrote:
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| stryped 2006-08-15, 9:21 pm |
| x-no-archive:yes
By the way I take Androgel for low normal testosterone and milk of
magnesia every day. Only medicines I have beenon. Testosterone with the
gel is around 600.
LMac wrote:
> stryped wrote:
>
> I think I've got a brown belt in P.E. and have about 50 years of
> experience in dealing with it.
>
> I go along with Citizen's post -- tell us a bit more about that Viagra
> "reaction." What other meds do you take? What were the circumstances
> etc. If you're comfortable share some history.
>
> What happens when you try the old ploy of knocking yourself down with
> one or two masturbation sessions several hours before a sexual
> encounter? (Something that worked well for me when I was in my 20s--and
> has worked sometimes in later life.)
>
> My Uro considers that P.E. is just one facet of the overall E.D. picture
> and I think that Uros who are good in the field of E.D. go along with
> that concept.
>
> The guys you meet here all come from a different bag on this -- I tend
> to be very simplistic. Others have extensive experience in more
> sophisticated approaches and the group has plenty of advise available on
> 'looking under the hood' at hormone levels and the Endocrinological side
> of E.D. and P.E.
>
> Welcome ....Lmac
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| William Koloff 2006-08-15, 9:21 pm |
| Have you considered trying a simpler approach by using a ring to hold
the erection after ejaculation?
| |
| Ignatz's Bricks 2006-08-15, 9:21 pm |
| Some random thoughts:
Stryped wrote:
>
> If I dont have impotnce and take MUSE will it hurt me?
P.E. is a form of impotence.
Citizen asks:
> To be honest I am not clear on how ED drugs are supposed to help PE?
When you are really hard, there is less tendency for P.E. to happen.
Stryped continues on his Viagra difficulties:
> It was 50 mg I think. My heart started racing because my blood
> pressure dropped I think. (I sometimes have low blood pressure).
> My face turned beat red and felt like it was on fire. Just like
> a Niacin flush but times 10. Several days later I had trouble
> catching my breath. I also have a heart murmur and
> bradycardi/tachycardia. I am 35. Had a ekg and
> cardiolgist said everything looked ok.
Have you had a CBC? This simple blood test may pick up other problems.
Anemia and some medications (including some foods) that lower blood
pressure can cause the problems that you describe.
> Stryped wrote:
Viagra (usually) takes a rather large dose to cause delay and obviously
you cannot take a large dose, so that lets that route out. Cialis
shortens the recovery time for many people, including myself, so if you
fire too quickly, just play around for a few minutes and you should be
able to get it up again. As a rule, Cialis does not have as bad side
effects as Viagra. If you try Cialis, I'd recommending starting with a
quarter tablet.
Stryped continues:[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> By the way I take Androgel for low normal testosterone and milk of
> magnesia every day. Only medicines I have been on. Testosterone with
> the gel is around 600.
Androgel is notorious for boosting your estrogen and that can cause E.D.
problem, especially hardness problems.
Long term taking of Milk of Magnesia can cause not-related-to-ED health
problems. If you are taking it for constipation, suggest that you try a
bowl of oatmeal for breakfast instead.
IB
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| Citizen 2006-08-16, 8:21 am |
| I used the MUSE after surgery for prostate cancer, so my situation was
different. The MUSE did produce the erection. I did not experience
any discomfort from the placement of the drug or while waiting for the
tiny pill to disolve (they call it a suppository). However, it turned
out that I was sensitive to the active drug in the MUSE, which is the
same thing that is in Caverject and Trimix (something like
"prostagalin"). It did produce an erection, but it was very
uncomfortable and there is no way I could enjoy intercourse. Now I do
not have any statistics on this, but it is my understanding that
probably less than a third of men are allegic/sensitive, call it what
you like, to the drug. The MUSE is probably the easiest alternative
because the other options require the injection. It is not that I
would be afraid of that, the injection itself does not hurt if you do
it right (avoid veins), but the MUSE I was able to get through the
local pharmacy but not the trimix or bimix. Also, the application is
just easier. In your case you need to experiement to know if there
will be any drug reaction. I would be sure that someone else is home
when you try this first. I have known men that actually have the first
application done in the doctor's office. Maybe your physician would
let you do that just in case there is a reaction. In any case due to
your reaction to the viagra I would approach this with caution.
Good luck.
stryped wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
> x-no-archive:yes
>
> It was 50 mg I think. My heart started racing becaus emy blood pressure
> dropped I think. (I soemtimes have low blood pressure). My face turned
> beat red and felt like it was on fire. Just like a Niacin flush but
> times 10. Several days later I had troubl catching my breath. I also
> have a heart murmur and bradycardi/tachycardia. I am 35. Had a ekg and
> cardiolgist said everything looked ok.
>
> Ever since the viagra inscident my body has been super sensitive to
> medication. I could not even take baby asprin after that incident
> without my heart racing. I am afraid even if I take MUSE the same thing
> will happen and I wont know whther it is actually the drug or my mind.
>
> I also worry about priaprism and trying to explain to my wife why I
> have to go to the emergency room. (I dont want to tell her I am taking
> ED drugs if I can help it).
>
> After my first orgasm it would take a long time to "recharge" and then,
> only after alot of effort.
>
> My wife does not want to help me with the problem. She does not see it
> as a problem but I do.
>
> I was thinking muse or caverject would help by enableing an errection
> after ejaculation.
>
> This problem has haunted me my entire life and kills my confidence. I
> am thinking of faxing some stuff off the web to my family doctor to see
> if he will try MUSE.
>
> Did muse allow you to retain an erection after ejaculation?
> Citizen wrote:
| |
| Citizen 2006-08-16, 8:21 am |
| Good point!
William Koloff wrote:
> Have you considered trying a simpler approach by using a ring to hold
> the erection after ejaculation?
| |
| stryped 2006-08-16, 8:21 am |
| x-no-archive:yes
I tried the Actis ring. It was very painful and my erection went away
after ejac. I felt like I was having a heart attack when I ejaculated
becasue nothing would come out.
William Koloff wrote:
> Have you considered trying a simpler approach by using a ring to hold
> the erection after ejaculation?
| |
| stryped 2006-08-16, 8:21 am |
| x-no-archive:yes
Was it just pain in your penis? I actually thought about getting the
first dose and sitting in the emergency room of a hospital after
putting it in.
I think alot of my reaction to viagra was psychosematic. After the
attack I had ekg, ultrasounds, treadmill tests, all normal. They did
find I had epsiodes of tachycardi, especially when laying on my left
side. They could give me medicine but wanted to wait until it got
worse.
Did your erection stay after ejaculation?
I am just so tired of this problem. I hate it. I want an answer!
Did you get light headed or rapis heartbeat after taking MUSE?
Citizen wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
> I used the MUSE after surgery for prostate cancer, so my situation was
> different. The MUSE did produce the erection. I did not experience
> any discomfort from the placement of the drug or while waiting for the
> tiny pill to disolve (they call it a suppository). However, it turned
> out that I was sensitive to the active drug in the MUSE, which is the
> same thing that is in Caverject and Trimix (something like
> "prostagalin"). It did produce an erection, but it was very
> uncomfortable and there is no way I could enjoy intercourse. Now I do
> not have any statistics on this, but it is my understanding that
> probably less than a third of men are allegic/sensitive, call it what
> you like, to the drug. The MUSE is probably the easiest alternative
> because the other options require the injection. It is not that I
> would be afraid of that, the injection itself does not hurt if you do
> it right (avoid veins), but the MUSE I was able to get through the
> local pharmacy but not the trimix or bimix. Also, the application is
> just easier. In your case you need to experiement to know if there
> will be any drug reaction. I would be sure that someone else is home
> when you try this first. I have known men that actually have the first
> application done in the doctor's office. Maybe your physician would
> let you do that just in case there is a reaction. In any case due to
> your reaction to the viagra I would approach this with caution.
>
> Good luck.
>
>
> stryped wrote:
| |
| Edward 2006-08-16, 4:21 pm |
|
Jerry Sturdivant wrote:
>
> Tell them you have impotence problems. But go to a urologists.
>
>
> Jerry of ASI
Jerry,
Tell us the story about the time the nurse caught you sucking off the
urologist. And how in the old days you would drive downtown early
before many people were around, and offer BJs to the homeless men.
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| Wanderer 2006-08-16, 4:21 pm |
| On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 12:18:06 -0400, stryped wrote
(in article <1155658686.701316.176050@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> ):
> x-no-archive:yes
>
> Took viagra and had a reaction. thought I was going to die.
>
> Did not work to delay either.
Let me make sure I've got this right. You took Viagra and had a reaction so
horrible that you thought you might die... but you went ahead and had sex
during this crisis, and still came too quickly? Have I got that right?
Wanderer
| |
| stryped 2006-08-16, 4:21 pm |
| x-no-archive:yes
No,No,No.
before this bad reaction to viagra, I had taken viagra before. Probably
a year or two previosu to that episode. Did not have an immediate
reaction and things were fine. It did not make me last longer then did
not allwo me to maintain my erection after ejaculation. However a few
days after that while doing somethign random at work I had a bad
feeling like I had to force myself to breath. This happened a for
several days. Saw a doctor who said things were fine. It eventually
went away.
Fast forward two years after that. I took I think 50 mg on an empty
stomach. (Also took a Paxil which I had because I read it would delay
ejaculation). After taking my wife noticed my lips were blood red my
face. Soon after, my heart rate went to about 100 BPM. Face was on
fire, I had to sit in front of a fan. Admitted to my wife I had taken
one. She scolded me saying she did not know why. I had her call the
emergency room. It eventually went away. Definitely did not have sex
that night! Prayed to God that if he would take this away I would throw
my viagra away and never take it again. Which I did and I have not. Not
that there is anything wrong with taking it. A urologist prescribed it.
But I did not tell my wife.
Wanderer wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 12:18:06 -0400, stryped wrote
> (in article <1155658686.701316.176050@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> ):
>
>
> Let me make sure I've got this right. You took Viagra and had a reaction so
> horrible that you thought you might die... but you went ahead and had sex
> during this crisis, and still came too quickly? Have I got that right?
>
> Wanderer
| |
|
| stryped wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
> x-no-archive:yes
>
> By the way I take Androgel for low normal testosterone and milk of
> magnesia every day. Only medicines I have beenon. Testosterone with the
> gel is around 600.
> LMac wrote:
OK, here's some experience that parallels yours and might help reassure you.
Since you've had an "up-check" cardio-wise, you're probably OK to
experience pulse rates well over 100 without much concern and at your
age you've got plenty of cardio reserve. You do mention a Niacin flush
so here's some experience with that:
When I was 69 I took two 70mg doses of Viagra within a span of 8 hours
(the second was very close to 3G of Niacin -- another vasodilator). Did
the "dizzy thing," and resting pulse shot up to about 90 for 10 minutes.
(Oh yeah, I was also drinking Grapefruit Juice on a daily basis which
increased the half-life of Viagra.) A couple of weeks later I mentioned
the pulse rate excursion to my doc. Her response, "when you hit 120
after a move like that, come and see me -- meanwhile enjoy life and do
your thing-- knock off the Grapefruit juice and try to keep the Viagra
dose several hours separated from the Niacin."
Find out if you can tolerate a baby aspirin (81mg) on a once-a-day
basis. I use a baby aspirin to suppress skin flush from Niacin therapy
(it's prescribed 30 minutes before the Niacin dose). Some guys who have
anxiety about facial flushing with Viagra have also found that a baby
aspirin helps in suppressing facial flush from Viagra when they first
start using the drug. Later, many find that this problem subsides.
This is worth watching and a very small percentage of guys have found
that the Niacin and Viagra combo along with sun exposure has led to some
skin problems (I've had two buddies with this problem -- neither were
prescribed aspirin by their docs.)
I'd not scrap Viagra or other PDE5 inhibitors quite yet. Most of us
have adapted nicely to these drugs and find that the side-effects have
diminished after the first dozen doses. Starting at a low dose helps.
Younger guys sometimes find that 12.5mg is a nice starting point-- 1/8
of a 100mg pill. Go gradually -- don't look for a P.E. cure in the first
dozen doses. Look for some help after you work up to 25mg.
I think the priapism warning is more intended to satisfy the attorneys
and FDA than something that should cause patient concern. If it bothers
you, keep some Sudafed handy. A couple of 60 mg doses of Sudafed
combined with a couple of cold showers on the base of the spine is a
recognized cure. (Recently driven home to me by guys in this group when
I got stupid and anxious with a generous Trimix dose last month.)
Bringing your wife into the totality of your approach to P.E./E.D. will
be a good move. A spouse's reluctance to accept or participate in E.D.
treatment is quite natural--it's important to remember that this is a
medical condition and her support and knowledge of the treatment options
will go a long way. Remember, nothing here is "kinky" or improper--just
new. Talk about it. Share your experiences in this group with her.
....Lmac
| |
|
| OK, we're all over the wall on this. Meds keep popping up like targets
in a computer game. OK EKG -- but tachycardia & a heart mumor. None
of us are docs but we do know what some of the 'no-nos' are.
Prescribed Med List:
Regular Supplements:
Diagnosed chronic conditions:
Anything else???
...Lmac
| |
| stryped 2006-08-16, 4:21 pm |
| x-no-archive:yes
but I have taken 25 before and it did not effect my PE. Are you saying
its effect on PE is better after several doses?
I know I am good past 100 bpm. I run 3 miles 4 days a week and my heart
gets past that. It is the breathing problems I had a few days later
after taking viagra that scares me.
I dont really have ED , only PE. My wife does not want me to look to
cure that, but I do. She says it is not a problem but it is for me.
LMac wrote:
> stryped wrote:
>
> OK, here's some experience that parallels yours and might help reassure you.
>
> Since you've had an "up-check" cardio-wise, you're probably OK to
> experience pulse rates well over 100 without much concern and at your
> age you've got plenty of cardio reserve. You do mention a Niacin flush
> so here's some experience with that:
>
> When I was 69 I took two 70mg doses of Viagra within a span of 8 hours
> (the second was very close to 3G of Niacin -- another vasodilator). Did
> the "dizzy thing," and resting pulse shot up to about 90 for 10 minutes.
> (Oh yeah, I was also drinking Grapefruit Juice on a daily basis which
> increased the half-life of Viagra.) A couple of weeks later I mentioned
> the pulse rate excursion to my doc. Her response, "when you hit 120
> after a move like that, come and see me -- meanwhile enjoy life and do
> your thing-- knock off the Grapefruit juice and try to keep the Viagra
> dose several hours separated from the Niacin."
>
> Find out if you can tolerate a baby aspirin (81mg) on a once-a-day
> basis. I use a baby aspirin to suppress skin flush from Niacin therapy
> (it's prescribed 30 minutes before the Niacin dose). Some guys who have
> anxiety about facial flushing with Viagra have also found that a baby
> aspirin helps in suppressing facial flush from Viagra when they first
> start using the drug. Later, many find that this problem subsides.
>
> This is worth watching and a very small percentage of guys have found
> that the Niacin and Viagra combo along with sun exposure has led to some
> skin problems (I've had two buddies with this problem -- neither were
> prescribed aspirin by their docs.)
>
> I'd not scrap Viagra or other PDE5 inhibitors quite yet. Most of us
> have adapted nicely to these drugs and find that the side-effects have
> diminished after the first dozen doses. Starting at a low dose helps.
> Younger guys sometimes find that 12.5mg is a nice starting point-- 1/8
> of a 100mg pill. Go gradually -- don't look for a P.E. cure in the first
> dozen doses. Look for some help after you work up to 25mg.
>
> I think the priapism warning is more intended to satisfy the attorneys
> and FDA than something that should cause patient concern. If it bothers
> you, keep some Sudafed handy. A couple of 60 mg doses of Sudafed
> combined with a couple of cold showers on the base of the spine is a
> recognized cure. (Recently driven home to me by guys in this group when
> I got stupid and anxious with a generous Trimix dose last month.)
>
> Bringing your wife into the totality of your approach to P.E./E.D. will
> be a good move. A spouse's reluctance to accept or participate in E.D.
> treatment is quite natural--it's important to remember that this is a
> medical condition and her support and knowledge of the treatment options
> will go a long way. Remember, nothing here is "kinky" or improper--just
> new. Talk about it. Share your experiences in this group with her.
>
> ...Lmac
| |
| stryped 2006-08-16, 4:21 pm |
| x-no-archive:yes
Not sure what you mean. Had 3 or 4 ekg's that were normal.
Still having "fluters" and problems. Wore a holtier monitor. It picked
up "short runs" of tachycardia. Also, I seem to have a very low resting
heart rate of 49. My blood pressure is aound 110/60.
Several years ago, rountine doctors visit found a heart murmur. Follow
up ech said everything was fine.
I am on:
5grams Androgel
4 table sponns milk of magnesia every night. (Colon does not work
right).
I take vitamins and fish oil on my own. (No doctor said I needed it.)
With 5 grams of Androgel, my testosterone is around 600. I am 35, 6
feet tall 179 lbs.
Still have heart flutters and ocassionaly get dizzy but not bad. Ran 3
miles two days ago and had chest pain abov emy heart for 5 minutes
after and went away.
Is that want you needed?
LMac wrote:
> OK, we're all over the wall on this. Meds keep popping up like targets
> in a computer game. OK EKG -- but tachycardia & a heart mumor. None
> of us are docs but we do know what some of the 'no-nos' are.
>
>
> Prescribed Med List:
>
>
> Regular Supplements:
>
>
> Diagnosed chronic conditions:
>
>
>
> Anything else???
>
>
>
> ..Lmac
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| Ignatz's Bricks 2006-08-16, 9:20 pm |
| stryped wrote:
> Fast forward two years after that. I took I think 50 mg on an empty
> stomach. (Also took a Paxil which I had because I read it would delay
> ejaculation). After taking my wife noticed my lips were blood red my
> face. Soon after, my heart rate went to about 100 BPM. Face was on
> fire, I had to sit in front of a fan. Admitted to my wife I had taken
> one. She scolded me saying she did not know why. I had her call the
> emergency room. It eventually went away. Definitely did not have sex
> that night! Prayed to God that if he would take this away I would throw
> my viagra away and never take it again. Which I did and I have not. Not
> that there is anything wrong with taking it. A urologist prescribed it.
> But I did not tell my wife.
Oh, crap!
I thought you stated that you took no other prescription medications.
Look at the possible side effects of Paxil:
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/...pdi/202717.html
Ten to one, that was the cause of your rapid heart beat, extreme
flushing and panic attach.
I'd say that Paxil and Viagra have the potential to react with each
other and lower blood pressure greatly.
IB
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| stryped 2006-08-17, 4:21 pm |
| x-no-archive:yes
Was that in the side effects? I glanced at your link but did not read
entirely through.
I took Paxil for depression a year before this incident. I read on the
internet a study that showed taking voagra and Paxil together
signigicantly delayed ejaculation time. So, I had some left over Paxil
and tried it. I also took a double dose of Androgel thinking it would
help.
But a few years even before the incident I took Viagra when it first
came out. I did not have the flushign but a day or so later I had bad
feelings in my chest and it felt like I had to make myself breath. This
was a year or more before the "bad incident' with feeling I was going
to die.
At that time I was not on Paxil, Androgel or anythign.
What do you think?
Ignatz's Bricks wrote:
> stryped wrote:
>
>
> Oh, crap!
>
> I thought you stated that you took no other prescription medications.
>
> Look at the possible side effects of Paxil:
>
> http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/...pdi/202717.html
>
> Ten to one, that was the cause of your rapid heart beat, extreme
> flushing and panic attach.
>
> I'd say that Paxil and Viagra have the potential to react with each
> other and lower blood pressure greatly.
>
> IB
| |
|
| stryped wrote:
> x-no-archive:yes
>
> Not sure what you mean. Had 3 or 4 ekg's that were normal.
> Still having "fluters" and problems. Wore a holtier monitor. It picked
> up "short runs" of tachycardia. Also, I seem to have a very low resting
> heart rate of 49. My blood pressure is aound 110/60.
>
> Several years ago, rountine doctors visit found a heart murmur. Follow
> up ech said everything was fine.
>
> I am on:
>
> 5grams Androgel
> 4 table sponns milk of magnesia every night. (Colon does not work
> right).
> I take vitamins and fish oil on my own. (No doctor said I needed it.)
>
> With 5 grams of Androgel, my testosterone is around 600. I am 35, 6
> feet tall 179 lbs.
>
> Still have heart flutters and ocassionaly get dizzy but not bad. Ran 3
> miles two days ago and had chest pain abov emy heart for 5 minutes
> after and went away.
>
> Is that want you needed?
Not really; but, let's go, assuming that the Milk of Magnesia (MOM) and
Androgel are prescribed and are monitored by your doc(s).
First off, remember that over 50% of the serotonin in the body is
resident in to the enteric nervous system (your gut). A steady impact
on the serotonin-dopamine balance will have an effect on both enteric
and Central Nervous System responses. (The impact will be on: Anxiety,
Mood, Libido and Orgasm.) Consider too that Magnesium has some direct
effects on some nerve activity in both the sensory and motor side of the
Central Nervous System. (Google for this -- plenty scholarly and peer-
reviewed papers to read.) Continous laxative dosing affects the whole
sequence of nutrient absorption and amino-acid balance (blood chemistry,
muscle tone, hormone production and ultimately, your ability to recover
from disease.)
A sudden cessation of the MOM isn't the way to go either. Have your doc
provide you with a transition plan to make the move, preferably to a
fiber - probiotic regimen. (I'd look to 6 weeks as reasonable). Ask for
some 'emergency' aids like Surfak to help you along. If fiber isn't the
answer that works, press your doc for alternatives. If this doc seems
to be offering laxatives as a 'quick-cure,' it's time to find another doc.
My own long-term experience with IBS-C has yielded a fiber-yogurt
regimen (with moderation on the yogurt -- don't want to trigger some
upper GI bacterial overgrowth). I also am prescribed 420mg per day of
Magnesium Oxide for a Nystagmus condition -- that seems to help the
fiber work it's magic on transit time.
Once that's settled down, consider an alternative to the Androgel -- I'm
a dummy on that but there are plenty of guys with 'T' experience here so
post specifically for Androgel help. Consider specifically where 'T'
supplementation might take you with regard to fertility.
After your doc has the bowel under control, then let's revisit the use
of Viagra.
Remember that anything that plays with Serotonin is a 'long-pull' thing.
This isn't like taking an Excedrin for a headache. "Poppin" a Paxil
is asking for trouble.
....Lmac
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| stryped 2006-08-18, 8:25 am |
| x-no-archive:yes
What problems can milk of magnesia cause? It was recommende dby my
gastroenterologist.
Ignatz's Bricks wrote:
> Some random thoughts:
>
> Stryped wrote:
>
> P.E. is a form of impotence.
>
>
> Citizen asks:
>
>
> When you are really hard, there is less tendency for P.E. to happen.
>
>
> Stryped continues on his Viagra difficulties:
>
>
> Have you had a CBC? This simple blood test may pick up other problems.
> Anemia and some medications (including some foods) that lower blood
> pressure can cause the problems that you describe.
>
>
>
> Viagra (usually) takes a rather large dose to cause delay and obviously
> you cannot take a large dose, so that lets that route out. Cialis
> shortens the recovery time for many people, including myself, so if you
> fire too quickly, just play around for a few minutes and you should be
> able to get it up again. As a rule, Cialis does not have as bad side
> effects as Viagra. If you try Cialis, I'd recommending starting with a
> quarter tablet.
>
> Stryped continues:
>
> Androgel is notorious for boosting your estrogen and that can cause E.D.
> problem, especially hardness problems.
>
> Long term taking of Milk of Magnesia can cause not-related-to-ED health
> problems. If you are taking it for constipation, suggest that you try a
> bowl of oatmeal for breakfast instead.
>
> IB
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| stryped 2006-08-18, 8:25 am |
| x-no-archive:yes
A gastroenterologist has my on the mil of magnesia for lack of anything
else working. They did transit studies that show I have slow colon
transit. I have tried Miralax, fiber, everythign else. Even used tap
water enemas for awhile.
LMac wrote:
> stryped wrote:
>
> Not really; but, let's go, assuming that the Milk of Magnesia (MOM) and
> Androgel are prescribed and are monitored by your doc(s).
>
> First off, remember that over 50% of the serotonin in the body is
> resident in to the enteric nervous system (your gut). A steady impact
> on the serotonin-dopamine balance will have an effect on both enteric
> and Central Nervous System responses. (The impact will be on: Anxiety,
> Mood, Libido and Orgasm.) Consider too that Magnesium has some direct
> effects on some nerve activity in both the sensory and motor side of the
> Central Nervous System. (Google for this -- plenty scholarly and peer-
> reviewed papers to read.) Continous laxative dosing affects the whole
> sequence of nutrient absorption and amino-acid balance (blood chemistry,
> muscle tone, hormone production and ultimately, your ability to recover
> from disease.)
>
> A sudden cessation of the MOM isn't the way to go either. Have your doc
> provide you with a transition plan to make the move, preferably to a
> fiber - probiotic regimen. (I'd look to 6 weeks as reasonable). Ask for
> some 'emergency' aids like Surfak to help you along. If fiber isn't the
> answer that works, press your doc for alternatives. If this doc seems
> to be offering laxatives as a 'quick-cure,' it's time to find another doc.
>
> My own long-term experience with IBS-C has yielded a fiber-yogurt
> regimen (with moderation on the yogurt -- don't want to trigger some
> upper GI bacterial overgrowth). I also am prescribed 420mg per day of
> Magnesium Oxide for a Nystagmus condition -- that seems to help the
> fiber work it's magic on transit time.
>
> Once that's settled down, consider an alternative to the Androgel -- I'm
> a dummy on that but there are plenty of guys with 'T' experience here so
> post specifically for Androgel help. Consider specifically where 'T'
> supplementation might take you with regard to fertility.
>
> After your doc has the bowel under control, then let's revisit the use
> of Viagra.
>
> Remember that anything that plays with Serotonin is a 'long-pull' thing.
> This isn't like taking an Excedrin for a headache. "Poppin" a Paxil
> is asking for trouble.
>
> ...Lmac
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| Wanderer 2006-08-18, 8:25 am |
| On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 09:51:54 -0400, stryped wrote
(in article <1155822714.372828.158980@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> ):
> x-no-archive:yes
>
> Was that in the side effects? I glanced at your link but did not read
> entirely through.
If you're looking for solutions, and someone provides a link to help you
understand potential underlying issues, I think the least you could do is
take the time to read the linked information.
As I understand it, you're looking for a solution for a premature ejaculation
issue. You've tried everything, but nothing so far has worked. You're hopeful
that Muse may provide an erection that outlasts your ejaculation so that you
can continue intercourse.
Given your statement that you've tried everything else, I suppose Muse might
be worth a try, although I think many here would point you toward the
injectables rather than Muse for your desired outcome. You need to locate an
understanding and knowledgeable doctor who will work with you to find the
right solution.
If you don't mind my asking, how does your PE manifest itself? How frequently
do you have sex with your partner? Are you able to penetrate? Do you
experience soft erections as well as PE? Or do you get firm erections? How
quickly do you reach orgasm with your partner? Have you ever attempted
non-penetrative sex to see what might happen? Same results? How often do you
masturbate? How long does it take you to orgasm when you masturbate? Was
there ever a time that you didn't experience these problems?
Wanderer
| |
| stryped 2006-08-18, 4:21 pm |
| x-no-archive:yes
I have sex about once a week. I sometimes have soft erections. hard
enough for penetration but still softer than I would like.
I reach orgasm everyhime with my parter ebcause it only takes 30
seconds to 1 minute.
Not sure what you mean by "non penatrive sex". But when my wife uses
her hands it takes maybe 3-minutes.
There was never a time I did not experience these problems.
Masterbation takes longer.
Wanderer wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 09:51:54 -0400, stryped wrote
> (in article <1155822714.372828.158980@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> ):
>
>
> If you're looking for solutions, and someone provides a link to help you
> understand potential underlying issues, I think the least you could do is
> take the time to read the linked information.
>
> As I understand it, you're looking for a solution for a premature ejaculation
> issue. You've tried everything, but nothing so far has worked. You're hopeful
> that Muse may provide an erection that outlasts your ejaculation so that you
> can continue intercourse.
>
> Given your statement that you've tried everything else, I suppose Muse might
> be worth a try, although I think many here would point you toward the
> injectables rather than Muse for your desired outcome. You need to locate an
> understanding and knowledgeable doctor who will work with you to find the
> right solution.
>
> If you don't mind my asking, how does your PE manifest itself? How frequently
> do you have sex with your partner? Are you able to penetrate? Do you
> experience soft erections as well as PE? Or do you get firm erections? How
> quickly do you reach orgasm with your partner? Have you ever attempted
> non-penetrative sex to see what might happen? Same results? How often do you
> masturbate? How long does it take you to orgasm when you masturbate? Was
> there ever a time that you didn't experience these problems?
>
> Wanderer
| |
| Wanderer 2006-08-18, 4:21 pm |
| On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:42:06 -0400, stryped wrote
(in article <1155912126.866723.229640@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> ):
> x-no-archive:yes
>
> I have sex about once a week. I sometimes have soft erections. hard
> enough for penetration but still softer than I would like.
>
> I reach orgasm everyhime with my parter ebcause it only takes 30
> seconds to 1 minute.
>
> Not sure what you mean by "non penatrive sex". But when my wife uses
> her hands it takes maybe 3-minutes.
>
> There was never a time I did not experience these problems.
> Masterbation takes longer.
From what you say, it sure sounds like your issues are at least partly of a
psychological nature.
Here's an article that may prove helpful to you:
http://www.webmd.com/content/article/53/61404.htm
Please keep us posted on your progress. Let us know if Muse or injectables
help you reach a satisfactory outcome.
Wanderer
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| stryped 2006-08-18, 4:21 pm |
| x-no-archive:yes
I read that. I have done all that. It doesn not work for me.
Wanderer wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 10:42:06 -0400, stryped wrote
> (in article <1155912126.866723.229640@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> ):
>
>
> From what you say, it sure sounds like your issues are at least partly of a
> psychological nature.
>
> Here's an article that may prove helpful to you:
>
> http://www.webmd.com/content/article/53/61404.htm
>
> Please keep us posted on your progress. Let us know if Muse or injectables
> help you reach a satisfactory outcome.
>
> Wanderer
| |
| On the UP swing 2006-08-18, 4:21 pm |
| Just a comment concerning your "Intestinal Problem", my wife had a
massive mesentaric artery infarction and passed away as a result. Her
intestines died from lack of blood to the intestines from the
mesentaric artery, prior to this occuring she had problems with her
bowel movements and the "Doctors" prescribed everything "Stool
Softners, Fibre, Enemas, etc" but to no avail!!!!!! Have it checked
out.......... it happens!
stryped wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
> x-no-archive:yes
>
> I read that. I have done all that. It doesn not work for me.
> Wanderer wrote:
| |
|
| On the UP swing wrote:
> Just a comment concerning your "Intestinal Problem", my wife had a
> massive mesentaric artery infarction and passed away as a result. Her
> intestines died from lack of blood to the intestines from the
> mesentaric artery, prior to this occuring she had problems with her
> bowel movements and the "Doctors" prescribed everything "Stool
> Softners, Fibre, Enemas, etc" but to no avail!!!!!! Have it checked
> out.......... it happens!
>
Agree wholeheartedly! I had a worsening of an IBS problem over the past
couple of months--nothing serious but wasn't feeling quite right. Pain
hit on the evening of 7/31.
Next day they opened me up and removed 9 inches of small intestine, 6
inches of that was dead tissue. Recovering nicely. Thankful for being
alive!
....Lmac
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|
|
| Ignatz's Bricks 2006-08-18, 9:21 pm |
| If I'd read LMac's answer first, I'd have never replied, as he said it
much more eloquently.
However---
Mac wrote:
> My own long-term experience with IBS-C has yielded a fiber-yogurt
> regimen (with moderation on the yogurt -- don't want to trigger some
> upper GI bacterial overgrowth). I also am prescribed 420mg per day of
> Magnesium Oxide for a Nystagmus condition -- that seems to help the
> fiber work it's magic on transit time.
I'll second that!!
I had a real go-round with IBS (Irritable Bowel Syndrome) that was
apparently triggered by my anti-cholesterol medications. Originally, I
was prescribed Zetia and when that caused problems, my doctor switched
me to Welchor plus Metimucil. All three of these medicines have the
capability of messing up the good to bad bacteria ratio in your gut.
Now, I eat one bowl of oatmeal and one or two servings of yogurt a day
and have almost no problems. Cholesterol is better controlled with
Niacin. Some brands of yogurt don't work for IBS. I have found that
Yoplait and Dannon work. I've gone from 5 or 6 IBS problems a week to
less than two per month.
I'd suggest working with your doctor to see if you can reduce the Milk
of Magnesia, if you cannot eliminate it.
IB
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| stryped 2006-08-21, 8:22 am |
| x-no-archive:yes
I am sorry to hear that. How did they finally diagnose it? I have a a
zillion tests and they cant find anything wrong other than my colon is
slow.
On the UP swing wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
> Just a comment concerning your "Intestinal Problem", my wife had a
> massive mesentaric artery infarction and passed away as a result. Her
> intestines died from lack of blood to the intestines from the
> mesentaric artery, prior to this occuring she had problems with her
> bowel movements and the "Doctors" prescribed everything "Stool
> Softners, Fibre, Enemas, etc" but to no avail!!!!!! Have it checked
> out.......... it happens!
>
> stryped wrote:
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