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volatileblob

2006-07-31, 4:22 pm

Hey guys,

On Fri, May 20 2005, I posted a message about NASUTRA. I just checked
google archives. No one responded to me about it. ARG! But maybe
someone will this time. I suspected at the time that the OTC "herbal"
thing had more in it than they claimed, and, finally, the FDA agreed
with me. Just recently. haha. It was the same thing with the OLD
formulation (but not the new one) of Stamina RX, but, at least, that
was cheap. Nasutra and the others on the new bad list are/were
expensive. There seems to be a trend with some of these things. Lots
of herbals come out. Some of them work and the FDA shuts them down
after a while - with good cause.

Bottom line: Is there any other herbal stuff that you guys use THAT
ACTUALLY work that aren't on the FDA bad list? Just wondering.

Thanks,
volatileblob

LMac

2006-07-31, 4:22 pm

volatileblob wrote:
> Hey guys,
>
> On Fri, May 20 2005, I posted a message about NASUTRA. I just checked
> google archives. No one responded to me about it. ARG! But maybe
> someone will this time. I suspected at the time that the OTC "herbal"
> thing had more in it than they claimed, and, finally, the FDA agreed
> with me. Just recently. haha. It was the same thing with the OLD
> formulation (but not the new one) of Stamina RX, but, at least, that
> was cheap. Nasutra and the others on the new bad list are/were
> expensive. There seems to be a trend with some of these things. Lots
> of herbals come out. Some of them work and the FDA shuts them down
> after a while - with good cause.
>
> Bottom line: Is there any other herbal stuff that you guys use THAT
> ACTUALLY work that aren't on the FDA bad list? Just wondering.
>
> Thanks,
> volatileblob
>

Sorry you feel that no one cared. Probably though, no one did.
Unproven and potentially unsafe substances have been floated in the
marketplace on a regular basis. Many get mentioned here by either the
curious (I figure you were curious) or by the greedy who are promoting
them. Some of us here have looked at a few of these compounds and know
from experience that most are a waste of our time and money. A few folk
here have made a 'despiration' try and have taken a health hit. OTOH,
there are some single ingredient health supplements, hormones, foods and
minerals that do have value and you'll find them mentioned in posts on
this ng.

Here are ten 'snake-oil' tests:

Check out:

<< http://www.nasutraonline.com/ >>

1. Can't tell where this outfit is based or where it does business
(their ISP is on a Phoenix, AZ drop from Level3 communications.) Can't
tell where they pay taxes. Can't even find out who they are--no
business name!

2. Site claims a patent but doesn't show the patent number (or its
nation of registry).

3. Googling for the top four ingredients indicates that each has some
bioactivity. One of them, in vitro, has killed the HIV-1 virus
(concentration or quantity not mentioned) -- so does Clorox. A couple
of others interact with estrogen or estrogen receptors--didn't take the
time to figure out which. One ingredient is used in Asian medicine for
"weak loins."

4. Found four papers that discuss the ingredients in this pill. Quick
read: No clue as to how the ingredients were examined. No paper was
peer-reviewed and no quantitative data were presented. No point in
reading further!

5. I couldn't find the quantity of the top four ingredients nor could I
find the RDA for these materials in USP.

6. Couldn't easily tell how many doses were in a "packet."

7. No evidence of clinical trials on this compound.

8. The website doesn't state what this compound does or is intended to
do. The word 'enhancement' seems to be their main claim. I can't tell
if this would produce an erection, just make me horny, is psychoactive
(and if so, in what way), pinpoints my pupils, turns my toenails purple
or makes my hair curly. (Note: this is typical of many "supplemental"
compounds since they have to be careful to not make a claim of medical
benefit. Nasutra is just a bit more 'guarded' than most of the others.)

9. Safety: I can't tell if this substance is contraindicated should I
have some medical condition. Can't tell what other meds this might
interact with. There is no statement of half-life or the means by which
it is eliminated from the human body. Please understand, that if it
isn't eliminated, it will accumulate in the body and cause ugly things
to happen. Elimination of all of the substance and it's byproducts is
essential in any med.

10. Google news does confirm that the FDA issued a warning or complaint
about this brand name.

Would I trust the judgment of anyone who would swallow this stuff?
...................Short answer ---- NO.

If I had swallowed it, would I admit that I did so? Go figure!

Sorry 'bout that ....Lmac

volatileblob

2006-07-31, 4:22 pm

LMac wrote:
> volatileblob wrote:
>
> Sorry you feel that no one cared. Probably though, no one did.
> Unproven and potentially unsafe substances have been floated in the
> marketplace on a regular basis. Many get mentioned here by either the
> curious (I figure you were curious) or by the greedy who are promoting
> them. Some of us here have looked at a few of these compounds and know
> from experience that most are a waste of our time and money. A few folk
> here have made a 'despiration' try and have taken a health hit. OTOH,
> there are some single ingredient health supplements, hormones, foods and
> minerals that do have value and you'll find them mentioned in posts on
> this ng.
>
> Here are ten 'snake-oil' tests:
>
> Check out:
>
> << http://www.nasutraonline.com/ >>
>
> 1. Can't tell where this outfit is based or where it does business
> (their ISP is on a Phoenix, AZ drop from Level3 communications.) Can't
> tell where they pay taxes. Can't even find out who they are--no
> business name!
>
> 2. Site claims a patent but doesn't show the patent number (or its
> nation of registry).
>
> 3. Googling for the top four ingredients indicates that each has some
> bioactivity. One of them, in vitro, has killed the HIV-1 virus
> (concentration or quantity not mentioned) -- so does Clorox. A couple
> of others interact with estrogen or estrogen receptors--didn't take the
> time to figure out which. One ingredient is used in Asian medicine for
> "weak loins."
>
> 4. Found four papers that discuss the ingredients in this pill. Quick
> read: No clue as to how the ingredients were examined. No paper was
> peer-reviewed and no quantitative data were presented. No point in
> reading further!
>
> 5. I couldn't find the quantity of the top four ingredients nor could I
> find the RDA for these materials in USP.
>
> 6. Couldn't easily tell how many doses were in a "packet."
>
> 7. No evidence of clinical trials on this compound.
>
> 8. The website doesn't state what this compound does or is intended to
> do. The word 'enhancement' seems to be their main claim. I can't tell
> if this would produce an erection, just make me horny, is psychoactive
> (and if so, in what way), pinpoints my pupils, turns my toenails purple
> or makes my hair curly. (Note: this is typical of many "supplemental"
> compounds since they have to be careful to not make a claim of medical
> benefit. Nasutra is just a bit more 'guarded' than most of the others.)
>
> 9. Safety: I can't tell if this substance is contraindicated should I
> have some medical condition. Can't tell what other meds this might
> interact with. There is no statement of half-life or the means by which
> it is eliminated from the human body. Please understand, that if it
> isn't eliminated, it will accumulate in the body and cause ugly things
> to happen. Elimination of all of the substance and it's byproducts is
> essential in any med.
>
> 10. Google news does confirm that the FDA issued a warning or complaint
> about this brand name.
>
> Would I trust the judgment of anyone who would swallow this stuff?
> ..................Short answer ---- NO.
>
> If I had swallowed it, would I admit that I did so? Go figure!
>
> Sorry 'bout that ....Lmac

Lmac,

Wow. Thanks for doing such great googling and research. Certainly, it
is iffy to try lots of these "herbal" compounds, although it can be
iffy to eat or drink anything these days.

But in any case, I was wondering if there was another "herbal" V that
anyone had tried that has not yet been put on the FDA Bad Boy list,
that worked (see this very group for "'Natural' ED pills contain...") !
This one worked because, as I predicted, it contained V. Shame...
shame... shame....

Any alternatives out there?

Ignatz's Bricks

2006-07-31, 4:22 pm

volatileblob asks:

> Bottom line: Is there any other herbal stuff that you guys use THAT
> ACTUALLY work that aren't on the FDA bad list? Just wondering.

I agree with LMac's thoughts, and, yes, we assumed that you were the
shill for a spammer and ignored you.

If any worked very well, they would put Viagra out of business.

I'm only aware of two natural products that work at all:

L-Arginine works by allowing more blood to flow. It comes in two forms.
You want the "Base" form. You need a dose of about 10 grams. (Yes,
that is grams, not milligrams.) At that dose, it will turn most people
into a farting machine.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/...t-arginine.html

Note: The National Library of Health, linked to above, rates this as
unproven for ED. For me it worked quite well, but now that I no longer
need some conflicting medicines, I no longer use it.

and

Yohimbine, which in the US, requires a prescription. Before injections
and Viagra were invented, this was an FDA approved ED medicine of
choice. It can have nasty side effects, some of which can be quite
dangerous. It reacts badly with some foods, and enough foods, that the
results can be unpredictable.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/...pdi/202639.html

Do not confuse prescription Yohimbine with non-prescription supplement
Yohimbe. Yohimbe contains so little of Yohimbine that no prescription
is required.

IB

Jim

2006-07-31, 4:22 pm

volatileblob wrote:

---------[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Wow. Thanks for doing such great googling and research. Certainly, it
> is iffy to try lots of these "herbal" compounds, although it can be
> iffy to eat or drink anything these days.
>
> But in any case, I was wondering if there was another "herbal" V that
> anyone had tried that has not yet been put on the FDA Bad Boy list,
> that worked (see this very group for "'Natural' ED pills contain...") !
> This one worked because, as I predicted, it contained V. Shame...
> shame... shame....
>
> Any alternatives out there?
___________

If you have ED, herbals aren't going to do much for you in keeping it
up. Over the years here, we've had so many hopeful inquiries about
them and there aren't many guys who became "normal" sexually again
among them. Some of the so-called natural remedies do work somewhat
but most have side effects you don't want: anxiety, sleeplessness,
high blood pressure reads.

Use a tried and true drug. Combine that with a healthier lifestyle:
lots of good exercise, good food, lower your life's stress level, lose
some of that fat, etc, etc. and you will be ahead of the place you are
in now.

Get a physical. Check your blood chemistry. Why the XXXX is it that
men (who also tend not to ask directions of locals when they are lost;
they'd rather waste gas driving aimlessly) avoid annual physicals??
If, for one egregious example, you had diabetes and didn't know it, no
amount of tribulus terrestrus or Horny Goat Weed is going to cure you.

Sorry for the rant. Sometimes I lose patience with some of the
money-grubbing advertising I read about how to get an erection.

Jim

volatileblob

2006-08-01, 2:21 am

Jim wrote:
> volatileblob wrote:
>
> ---------
> ___________
>
> If you have ED, herbals aren't going to do much for you in keeping it
> up. Over the years here, we've had so many hopeful inquiries about
> them and there aren't many guys who became "normal" sexually again
> among them. Some of the so-called natural remedies do work somewhat
> but most have side effects you don't want: anxiety, sleeplessness,
> high blood pressure reads.
>
> Use a tried and true drug. Combine that with a healthier lifestyle:
> lots of good exercise, good food, lower your life's stress level, lose
> some of that fat, etc, etc. and you will be ahead of the place you are
> in now.
>
> Get a physical. Check your blood chemistry. Why the XXXX is it that
> men (who also tend not to ask directions of locals when they are lost;
> they'd rather waste gas driving aimlessly) avoid annual physicals??
> If, for one egregious example, you had diabetes and didn't know it, no
> amount of tribulus terrestrus or Horny Goat Weed is going to cure you.
>
> Sorry for the rant. Sometimes I lose patience with some of the
> money-grubbing advertising I read about how to get an erection.

>
> Jim

OK, you all have good points. Ignatz's Bricks, I actually knew about
arginine and yohimbine. Thanks. And thanks for your advice, Jim.

PS: How's Krazy Kat?

;-)