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Cialis - Side Effects
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| Franck 2006-07-29, 4:21 pm |
| My experience of Viagra has not been entirely satisfactory, due to two
side effects:
- a generally washed out feeling lasting several hours, not unlike a
hangover induced by alcohol abuse
- flushing, or reddening of the face which is quite noticeable to
others
Does Cialis also produce these side effects?
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Franck wrote:
> My experience of Viagra has not been entirely satisfactory, due to two
> side effects:
>
> - a generally washed out feeling lasting several hours, not unlike a
> hangover induced by alcohol abuse
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> - flushing, or reddening of the face which is quite noticeable to
> others
>
> Does Cialis also produce these side effects?
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It can cause flushing. You'll have to try it to find out if this is
the case for you. For me, it feels like my face must be getting red;
in fact it does not flush at all.
I don't think we've seen many complaints of that hung-over feeling from
Cialis. Some experience long muscle pain early in Cialis use. That
disappeared for me about the third time I took C.
Jim
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| Parrot 2006-07-29, 4:21 pm |
| On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 18:12:49 +0200, Franck <no.address4u@no.spam.2.me.invalid>
wrote:
>My experience of Viagra has not been entirely satisfactory, due to two
>side effects:
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>- a generally washed out feeling lasting several hours, not unlike a
>hangover induced by alcohol abuse
>
>- flushing, or reddening of the face which is quite noticeable to
>others
>
>Does Cialis also produce these side effects?
I have been extremely pleased with Cialis, which I buy from Alldaychemist. I use
a pill splitter to cut the 20 mg tablets in half (although the coated tab
doesn't readily lend itself to being accurately split).
I take a beta blocker plus the notorious hydrochlorathiazide for mild
hypertension. Before taking those medications, I had no significant ED, up to my
late 50s.
I get a dependable 36 hour benefit, with no discernible side effects.
I first tried Levitra, and experienced very noticeable flushing and nasal
congestion. Still, I got good results, even if the medication was not
particularly long-lasting.
With Cialis, I had a milder version of those side effects the first few times.
Now, two years later, even those minor problems are gone.
Call me a fan.
P
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| Ignatz's Bricks 2006-07-29, 4:21 pm |
| Franck wrote:
> My experience of Viagra has not been entirely satisfactory, due to two
> side effects:
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> - a generally washed out feeling lasting several hours, not unlike a
> hangover induced by alcohol abuse
You were lucky. For me, the Viagra hangover lasts 12 to 20 hours.
I've found Caverta (Indian Viagra) works as well and does not cause the
hangover. Watch out for the expiration date, as the keeping qualities
of Caverta do not seem to be as good as Viagra.
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> - flushing, or reddening of the face which is quite noticeable to
> others
The first time I took Cialis, I flushed worse than with Viagra, but with
repeated use, it no longer happen. However, with Cialis, you will think
that it is not working, until you get an erection. For Cialis to work
for me, it must have been taken at least 4 hours previous. If you get
either the hangover or the lower back or muscle pains the next day, then
you have taken too large a dose. (This happens to a lot of newbies,
cause they think it is not working and take a second dose.)
IB
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| Jim wrote:
> Franck wrote:
> ________
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> It can cause flushing. You'll have to try it to find out if this is
> the case for you. For me, it feels like my face must be getting red;
> in fact it does not flush at all.
>
> I don't think we've seen many complaints of that hung-over feeling from
> Cialis. Some experience long muscle pain early in Cialis use. That
> disappeared for me about the third time I took C.
>
> Jim
>
I've only experienced the "hangover" feeling at very high doses of
Viagra (far in excess of 100mg). You might look at cutting back to a
lower dose if you can get the endurance you desire. Both Levitra and
Cialis are better "engineered" drugs and 'hit' fewer enzyme production
sites than does Viagra so the side effects are fewer. Think of Viagra o
be a full shotgun blast while Cialis and Levitra are more targeted at
your dick. Not quite rifle-like but better.
Assuming you don't have an allergy to Aspirin, you might try chewing up
a baby aspirin (81mg) about an hour before you dose with Viagra or
Levitra -- this has helped me. I've no Cialis experience so you might
experiment with the timing of the Aspirin to see if it helps.
Just an afterthought -- no daily grapefruit juice in your diet is there?
....Lmac
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| your.name@here 2006-07-29, 9:21 pm |
| LMac <lmac5491@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Both Levitra and
>Cialis are better "engineered" drugs and 'hit' fewer enzyme production
>sites than does Viagra so the side effects are fewer. Think of Viagra o
>be a full shotgun blast while Cialis and Levitra are more targeted at
>your dick. Not quite rifle-like but better.
That's an interesting theory. Unfortunately, its not supported by any medical
studies or the producers of said drugs. 
Sildenafil (V), Tadalafil (C) and Vardenafil (L) all are PDE5 inhibitors and
work the same way. The body doesn't metabolize (break down) Tadalafil as fast as
the other two, hence the effects last longer.
The side effects between the 3 are normal variations in how people react to
slightly different drugs. The interesting thing is that the percentage of people
reporting a particular side effect (like headache) at a given dose are about the
same.
You can read the details in a whitepaper that the VA published here:
http://www.pbm.va.gov/reviews/PDE5I...l12_27_05_2.pdf
That said, 25mg of Sildenafil kicks in in about 30 minutes for me, with slight
flushing of the face and sinus congestion. Unfortunately, the next day is a
definite hangover that Excedrin handles reasonably well.
10mg of Tadalafil takes about an hour to kick in, with no flushing or congestion
and minor to no hangover the next day. I do notice a slight case of acid reflux
the next day though. The effects also last for the advertised 36 hours. 
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| Earl Lewis 2006-07-29, 9:21 pm |
| On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 15:51:06 -0400, Ignatz's Bricks
<IgnatzBricks@aol.com.no.net> wrote:
> If you get
>either the hangover or the lower back or muscle pains the next day, then
>you have taken too large a dose. (This happens to a lot of newbies,
>cause they think it is not working and take a second dose.)
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>IB
The first time I experienced low back and buttock pain with C I'd
taken 20mg (and maybe V too, can't remember). But at this point in
time 10mg C WILL give me low back and buttock pain to the degree that
I'd rather stick to Viagra. And this is pain that sticks around for
several days.
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| Franck 2006-07-29, 9:21 pm |
| On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 15:53:36 -0600, your.name@here wrote:
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>That said, 25mg of Sildenafil kicks in in about 30 minutes for me, with slight
>flushing of the face and sinus congestion. Unfortunately, the next day is a
>definite hangover that Excedrin handles reasonably well.
Many thanks to you and to everyone else who responded.
>10mg of Tadalafil takes about an hour to kick in, with no flushing or congestion
>and minor to no hangover the next day. I do notice a slight case of acid reflux
>the next day though. The effects also last for the advertised 36 hours.
That would tend to indicate (at least for you) that apart from the
slightly longer lead-time and the acid reflux, the side effects of
Cialis are not so annoying.
One other symptom I also noticed - joint pain stemming from mild
arthrosis appears to be more pronounced after taking Viagra,
particularly during the "hangover" phase.
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| Franck 2006-07-29, 9:21 pm |
| On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 13:36:16 -0700, LMac <lmac5491@yahoo.com> wrote:
>I've only experienced the "hangover" feeling at very high doses of
>Viagra (far in excess of 100mg). You might look at cutting back to a
>lower dose if you can get the endurance you desire.
I get it at 50mg (the dose I normally take). At 100mg, I noticed no
improvement in the effectiveness, but the hangover was much worse.
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>Just an afterthought -- no daily grapefruit juice in your diet is there?
No - why?
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| your.name@here wrote:
> LMac <lmac5491@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> That's an interesting theory. Unfortunately, its not supported by any medical
> studies or the producers of said drugs.
>
> Sildenafil (V), Tadalafil (C) and Vardenafil (L) all are PDE5 inhibitors and
> work the same way. The body doesn't metabolize (break down) Tadalafil as fast as
> the other two, hence the effects last longer.
>
Gosh, that's an ugly face up there. I was thinking back to the Lilly
submissions to the FDA that (presented curves) showed more influence on
PDE5 than on PDE1 or PDE6 when compared to Viagra. Bayer reported also
reported a better focus on PDE5 than PDE6 when compared to the Pfizer
product.
> The side effects between the 3 are normal variations in how people react to
> slightly different drugs. The interesting thing is that the percentage of people
> reporting a particular side effect (like headache) at a given dose are about the
> same.
>
Let's change the word "The" to "Many of" and I buy the statement.
> You can read the details in a whitepaper that the VA published here:
>
> http://www.pbm.va.gov/reviews/PDE5I...l12_27_05_2.pdf
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> That said, 25mg of Sildenafil kicks in in about 30 minutes for me, with slight
> flushing of the face and sinus congestion. Unfortunately, the next day is a
> definite hangover that Excedrin handles reasonably well.
>
> 10mg of Tadalafil takes about an hour to kick in, with no flushing or congestion
> and minor to no hangover the next day. I do notice a slight case of acid reflux
> the next day though. The effects also last for the advertised 36 hours.
Yes, everyone's mileage differs. I generally prefer Levitra but it
causes me a lot of sinus congestion and then a massive runny nose and
sneezing right after orgasm. Don't get that from Viagra.
....Lmac
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| Franck wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 13:36:16 -0700, LMac <lmac5491@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> I get it at 50mg (the dose I normally take). At 100mg, I noticed no
> improvement in the effectiveness, but the hangover was much worse.
>
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> No - why?
Grapefruit and the juice suppress the liver enzyme that clears Viagra or
Levitra out of the body. Same effect with Zocor and some other drugs.
When I drink grapefruit juice, a morning or afternoon dose of Viagra or
Levitra will react 12 hours later with my alfa-blocker and Niaspan.
Without the grapefruit juice, the interaction window is much smaller --
3 or 4 hours.
The prescribing instructions for both Levitra and Viagra include a
warning for grapefruit juice. Cialis may not since it was probably
tested at very long half-lives. In the case of Zocor, the drug can
accumulate in the body to unsafe levels.
....Lmac
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| Jerry Sturdivant 2006-07-30, 4:21 pm |
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Try taking it before going to bed. Side effects will happen during the
night.
Jerry of ASI
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My experience of Viagra has not been entirely satisfactory, due to two
side effects:
- a generally washed out feeling lasting several hours, not unlike a
hangover induced by alcohol abuse
- flushing, or reddening of the face which is quite noticeable to
others
Does Cialis also produce these side effects?
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| your.name@here 2006-07-30, 4:21 pm |
| LMac <lmac5491@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I was thinking back to the Lilly
>submissions to the FDA that (presented curves) showed more influence on
>PDE5 than on PDE1 or PDE6 when compared to Viagra.
OK... One would have thought that the VA wold have mentioned any differences if
they were significant. So, I went back to the manufacturer product
characteristics summaries:
For Sildenafil:
Studies in vitro have shown that sildenafil is selective for PDE5. Its effect is
more potent on PDE5 than on other known phosphodiesterases (10-fold for PDE6,
>80-fold for PDE1, >700-fold for PDE2, PDE3, PDE4, PDE7, PDE8, PDE9, PDE10, and
PDE11).
For Tadalafil:
Tadalafil is >10,000-fold more potent for PDE5 than for PDE1, PDE2 and PDE4.
Tadalafil is >10,000-fold more potent for PDE5 than for PDE3. Additionally,
tadalafil is approximately 700-fold more potent for PDE5 than for PDE6.
Tadalafil is also >10,000-fold more potent for PDE5 than for PDE7 through PDE10.
Clearly there is a difference on the other PDEs. Whether its significant or
not...
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Franck wrote:
> My experience of Viagra has not been entirely satisfactory, due to two
> side effects:
>
> - a generally washed out feeling lasting several hours, not unlike a
> hangover induced by alcohol abuse
>
> - flushing, or reddening of the face which is quite noticeable to
> others
>
> Does Cialis also produce these side effects?
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