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Titration and rebound
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| Ok, for the guys with some titration experience. I'm back and here's
the situation:
§ 7/04/06 -- Right shaft @ 0.11cc
· 85% for first hour, 90% after first hour
· up @ 0+20
· Ejaculated @ 0+58
· Collapsed slowly to limp @ 1+20
· 60 minutes erect
· Rebound (?) Spontaneous Erection @ 3+15
§ 7/10/06 -- Left shaft @ 0.13cc
· 85% for first hour, 90% after first hour
· up @ 0+30
· Ejaculated @ 1+35
· Slow collapse to chubby @ 1+40
· 70 minutes erect
· Rebound (?) Spontaneous Erection @ 2+45
was usable for about 45 minutes but, bride ran out of interest.
Thought the rebound was just a chance happening till this morning when
it repeated and was really usable. Any ideas if I'm looking at
refractory or rebound? Don't know where the chess pieces are on the
board now and think I don't even know how they move. Don't know if I'm
collecting the right info. Uro's worksheet only has date, dose,
location & "comments."
Original goal was for 90-120 min. erect time if possible. Now it looks
like a couple of sessions with a short vacation in the middle. Not my
bride's style these days. Have to pile on a lot of salesmanship to make
that one work. However, old dogs can learn.....
What's the next best move? Stick with 0.13cc and see how repeatable it
is or move upward to 0.15cc -- or something else.
I don't want to repeat the 0.20cc fiasco.
Gawd, Chemistry is neat and 'testing is fun'
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....Lmac
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| Ignatz's Bricks 2006-07-10, 9:21 pm |
| lmac wrote:
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> Original goal was for 90-120 min. erect time if possible. Now it looks
> like a couple of sessions with a short vacation in the middle. Not my
> bride's style these days. Have to pile on a lot of salesmanship to make
> that one work. However, old dogs can learn.....
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> What's the next best move? Stick with 0.13cc and see how repeatable it
> is or move upward to 0.15cc -- or something else.
Staying with the lower dose and try using a warm shower to time the
rebound, is my method. And, yes, quite often injecting at night, one
gets a rebound the next AM. Very good for a Friday night when you have
plenty of time on a Saturday AM.
> I don't want to repeat the 0.20cc fiasco.
Even if you repeated it, you probably have enough experience to handle
it better now.
> Gawd, Chemistry is neat and 'testing is fun'
Yup!
Did you ever find the 3/8th inch (8MM) 31 gauge needles?
Ignatz.
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| Ignatz's Bricks wrote:
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> Did you ever find the 3/8th inch (8MM) 31 gauge needles?
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> Ignatz.
Couldn't find the Sherwood's that avocet suggested. Will go ahead and
buy a box of the BD 31's -- they now claim a 'lubed' needle and should
will be better than the 29's I'm using now. Will place the Sherwood's
on order with a small pharmacist.
I was surprised at the variability of the BD 29s. First couple weren't
all that bad. Pulled out the needle this morning and there was an
obvious skin 'tug' when the tip (with 'burr') came out. Not painful but
obviously a little skin tear. Just the thing that Jerry was discussing
last week.
I think E.D. users can rate the quality of needles more accurately than
can diabetics.
thanks for the suggestions.
Any thoughts on whether I'm seeing a rebound erection or if it's just
refractory?? Suspect by your reply that you think it's refractory and
probably pretty dependable.
....Lmac
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lmac wrote:
> Ok, for the guys with some titration experience. I'm back and here's
> the situation:
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You have a ways to go before you get to 0.20.
If I were you, on your mix, I'd go up to 0.15 and see where that gets
me.
You might be able be able at 0.15 or 0.17 to wipe out that "rest"
period that happens to you in the middle, if that's what your looking
to do, yet be within a sesnible duration of the erection. [You have to
decide what "sensible" is for you.  ]
I don't know for sure which is Rebound and which is lower Refractory.
However refractory period is usually defined as how long is required
before another erection is possible after ejaculation and I don't think
drugs change the rules - though they may change result. I read that a
couple studies are either in the works or contemplated to see if V, C,
or L change men's refractory periods. It will be interesting to see
what they come up with because a lot of guys are saying that theirs are
shortened on one or another of these drugs.
Jim
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| Ignatz wrote:
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> What's the next best move? Stick with 0.13cc and see how repeatable
it is or move upward to 0.15cc -- or something else.
Staying with the lower dose and try using a warm shower to time the
rebound, is my method. And, yes, quite often injecting at night, one
gets a rebound the next AM. Very good for a Friday night when you have
plenty of time on a Saturday AM.
> I don't want to repeat the 0.20cc fiasco.
Even if you repeated it, you probably have enough experience to handle
it better now.
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Jim wrote:
> lmac wrote:
> ___________
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> You have a ways to go before you get to 0.20.
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> If I were you, on your mix, I'd go up to 0.15 and see where that gets
> me.
>
> You might be able be able at 0.15 or 0.17 to wipe out that "rest"
> period that happens to you in the middle, if that's what your looking
> to do, yet be within a sesnible duration of the erection. [You have to
> decide what "sensible" is for you. ]
>
> I don't know for sure which is Rebound and which is lower Refractory.
> However refractory period is usually defined as how long is required
> before another erection is possible after ejaculation and I don't think
> drugs change the rules - though they may change result. I read that a
> couple studies are either in the works or contemplated to see if V, C,
> or L change men's refractory periods. It will be interesting to see
> what they come up with because a lot of guys are saying that theirs are
> shortened on one or another of these drugs.
I don't see it as having shortened. Five years ago it was a pretty
dependable 60-90 minutes and I was getting 'seconds' on 50-70mg of
Viagra. Then, it increased well beyond the span of either 'V' or 'L.'
A couple of times, I've 'second-dosed' with Levitra and managed a second
encounter out at the four or five hour point. (have felt hung-over the
next day so I don't make a habit of playing that game.) On Tmix, I'm
clueless and probably won't have a feel for this for sometime.
There's another wild card in this game. My GP doc put me on Chondroitin
Sulfate last week and it is a mild blood thinner. On top of Plavix and
Aspirin, 'willy' is getting some very slippery platelets and thin blood
with a long clotting time. My impression is that this improves the
arterial side (much stronger penile pulse while I'm holding the alcohol
wipe). On the other hand, it seems to be slowing down the venous lock.
I think this is why I'm slow erecting but much harder in the second
hour. Will discuss blood thinning with the Uro and get his cut on this
at the end of the month. I don't see a need to do a doppler--just live
with the results unless a formulation change might be worthwhile.
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> Jim
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Goal is still predictability out thru the second hour. So far I'm
impressed. Haven't been able to perform like this since I was in my
early 40's. Everything about this stuff is, so-right!
Thanks I.B. & Jim. Both great info. Will save the shower routine for
another day. That got me to remembering the Geisha games that 'bridged'
refractory (cards, dice, etc.) then a sudden shift back to stimulation.
It may be easy to just avoid refractory until very late in an encounter.
Trimix has wiped out my P.E. tendency and has added 3, maybe 5 seconds
to the time between an orgasm cue and actual climax. Haven't taken
advantage of it yet but now's the time. This will be a major change!
I'm not taking Levitra for a couple of days before an injection so think
I'm pretty 'clean' on each one of these 'timed-trials.'
--
....Lmac
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| Ignatz's Bricks 2006-07-11, 9:22 pm |
| Jim wrote:
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> I don't know for sure which is Rebound and which is lower Refractory.
I was using "rebound" to indicate an involuntary second erection and
"refractory" to mean the ability to get a second erection intentionally.
> However refractory period is usually defined as how long is required
> before another erection is possible after ejaculation and I don't think
> drugs change the rules - though they may change result. I read that a
> couple studies are either in the works or contemplated to see if V, C,
> or L change men's refractory periods. It will be interesting to see
> what they come up with because a lot of guys are saying that theirs are
> shortened on one or another of these drugs.
Viagra seems to make the refractory time longer, especially during the
next day hangover. Cialis seems to enable repeated erections much more
rapidly than otherwise possible. I have not used enough Levitra to have
an opinion on that.
Back to LMac's wanting to stay up after ejaculation. All your life, you
have been collapsing after ejaculation. You expect this. You must
learn not to do it on trimix -- in other words: Unlearn your lifelong
habit. I usually find this very hard to do.
IB
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| Ignatz's Bricks wrote:
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> I was using "rebound" to indicate an involuntary second erection and
> "refractory" to mean the ability to get a second erection intentionally.
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> Jim wrote:
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As far as I can recall those are the definitions this group has used for
several years. I answered questions on refractory before I went on
Viagra and again a month later. Term as defined by the resident was the
same as you are using here. (Jim, the resident encouraged me to shoot
for 'seconds' so maybe they were starting to collect some clinical data
back then.)
I don't know what my current refractory is. I can probably determine it
once I know what the Tmix durations are without ejaculation. OK, folks
here comes the 'will power' game. We'll see how good a lab animal I
really am. -- testing may involve some work for awhile.
Tmix has opened up dimensions I haven't enjoyed in 30-40 years. I'm
getting solid dan tien cues pre-orgasm (3-5 seconds early) and think I
can control it. Used Levitra last night and although I didn't
experience my usual P.E., those cues weren't as strong or early as on Tmix.
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> Back to LMac's wanting to stay up after ejaculation. All your life, you
> have been collapsing after ejaculation. You expect this. You must
> learn not to do it on trimix -- in other words: Unlearn your lifelong
> habit. I usually find this very hard to do.
>
> IB
I'm two out of four on staying up and don't know why yet. I suspect
that will come with time. I'm relearning the stuff I practiced
regularly in my 20s and haven't been able to use for the last 30 years.
(:-).
....Lmac
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| HI
I dont understand what you are getting at. I find there is a dose at which I
go limp after ejaculating but a little more and I stay erect for a further
30mins or 60 mins depending on the dose.
Cheers
"lmac" <lmac5491@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Ok, for the guys with some titration experience. I'm back and here's
> the situation:
>
> § 7/04/06 -- Right shaft @ 0.11cc
> · 85% for first hour, 90% after first hour
> · up @ 0+20
> · Ejaculated @ 0+58
> · Collapsed slowly to limp @ 1+20
> · 60 minutes erect
> · Rebound (?) Spontaneous Erection @ 3+15
>
>
> § 7/10/06 -- Left shaft @ 0.13cc
> · 85% for first hour, 90% after first hour
> · up @ 0+30
> · Ejaculated @ 1+35
> · Slow collapse to chubby @ 1+40
> · 70 minutes erect
> · Rebound (?) Spontaneous Erection @ 2+45
> was usable for about 45 minutes but, bride ran out of interest.
>
> Thought the rebound was just a chance happening till this morning when
> it repeated and was really usable. Any ideas if I'm looking at
> refractory or rebound? Don't know where the chess pieces are on the
> board now and think I don't even know how they move. Don't know if I'm
> collecting the right info. Uro's worksheet only has date, dose,
> location & "comments."
>
> Original goal was for 90-120 min. erect time if possible. Now it looks
> like a couple of sessions with a short vacation in the middle. Not my
> bride's style these days. Have to pile on a lot of salesmanship to make
> that one work. However, old dogs can learn.....
>
> What's the next best move? Stick with 0.13cc and see how repeatable it
> is or move upward to 0.15cc -- or something else.
>
> I don't want to repeat the 0.20cc fiasco.
>
> Gawd, Chemistry is neat and 'testing is fun'
> --
> ...Lmac
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| mac wrote:
> HI
> I dont understand what you are getting at. I find there is a dose at which I
> go limp after ejaculating but a little more and I stay erect for a further
> 30mins or 60 mins depending on the dose.
> Cheers
>
That's what I'm shooting for -- a nice 2-hour sweetspot. Haven't found
it yet. Only on the fourth shot at home. From what I've done so far, 20
units was an overkill. Eleven and Thirteen both produced a little
'lunch break' in the middle.
Working on it. Absolutely no complaints with this good stuff! ...Lmac.
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"LMac" <lmac5491@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> mac wrote:
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> That's what I'm shooting for -- a nice 2-hour sweetspot. Haven't found
> it yet. Only on the fourth shot at home. From what I've done so far, 20
> units was an overkill. Eleven and Thirteen both produced a little
> 'lunch break' in the middle.
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> Working on it. Absolutely no complaints with this good stuff! ...Lmac.
OK now I understand. I've been using for a few years. The dose needed varies
with how much the woman turns you on and how long since the last XXXX.
Probably impossible to get an identical response each time. I have been
known to top up if I go soft with in an hour. I need less than you and find
I need in the range of 6-15 units depending on the circumstances, to last
over an hour. If the woman handles the cock well then it will extend to 1
1/2 hours.
Cheers and have fun experimenting.
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| Jim wrote:
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> If I were you, on your mix, I'd go up to 0.15 and see where that gets
> me.
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Looks like 0.15 is pretty close to the sweet spot at 2+30. Came down
smoothly within a minute of orgasm. No rebound so that's probably a
pretty accurate max for 0.15.
A couple of weeks ago, someone commented that this isn't very linear. I
can confirm that (0.11 gave 60 min.; 0.13 gave 70 min.; 0.15 gave 150 min.)
> You might be able be able at 0.15 or 0.17 to wipe out that "rest"
> period that happens to you in the middle, if that's what your looking
> to do, yet be within a sesnible duration of the erection. [You have to
> decide what "sensible" is for you. ]
>
Will play around with 0.15 for a couple of encounters to identify my
refractory then try 0.17. Second hour quality (75-90 minutes after
injection) is still way better than first hour. My hunch is that this
slow start is caused by thin blood with 'slippery' platelets. Will
discuss formulation changes to yield a faster start -- have no clue what
the trade-off might be. OTOH, this is quite livable -- haven't had it
this good in decades.
Made the switch to B-D 31s. 8mm removes the thought of punching all the
way through! >:-0 Will turn my compounding person onto finding a box
of the Sherwoods. B-D has taken over this town.
As Jim predicted, pills are now more effective at lower doses. Was
using Levitra at mid-week at 10mg. Just for giggles, I nipped the end
off an old Viagra (about 30mg worth). Used it for a quicky and got
about 20 minutes out of it. Six months ago I would not have responded
that well to Viagra.
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> Jim
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