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Revisiting Pomegranate
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| I remember this being discussed some months before, but has anyone any
follow-up information about either the juice or supplements?
Thanks,
Lou
Please ping me for my real address. SPAM.
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| Muerta 2006-06-09, 8:21 am |
| Man, you beat me to it. I was going to post this.
I drank a glass of pomegranate a day for a couple of months and didn't
notice any difference.
Anybody else?
"LF" <life@seaboard.com> wrote in message
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>I remember this being discussed some months before, but has anyone any
> follow-up information about either the juice or supplements?
>
> Thanks,
> Lou
> Please ping me for my real address. SPAM.
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| Muerta wrote:
> Man, you beat me to it. I was going to post this.
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> I drank a glass of pomegranate a day for a couple of months and didn't
> notice any difference.
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> Anybody else?
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> "LF" <life@seaboard.com> wrote in message
> news:iauh821agmbjop16lptt4sbtjl7mts51t4@4ax.com...
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Check with I.B. He mentioned it on his post on Needle Bruises on 6/7/06.
Seems pleased -- I don't recall what Pomegranate does. I recall the
earlier post and did some research on the climates where Pomegranate
trees grow best -- can dredge that info up again if anyone is interested.
....Lmac
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| dgmoore@erols.com 2006-06-09, 4:22 pm |
| The claim is that pomegranate juice may help clear clogged arteries.
I've been taking it for months, but have no idea if it's doing anything
or not. Still, I have noticed that pomgranate tastes as bad as, if not
worse than, any of the many juices I have tried
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LF wrote:
> I remember this being discussed some months before, but has anyone any
> follow-up information about either the juice or supplements?
>
> Thanks,
> Lou
> Please ping me for my real address. SPAM.
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| dgmoore@erols.com wrote:
> The claim is that pomegranate juice may help clear clogged arteries.
> I've been taking it for months, but have no idea if it's doing anything
> or not. Still, I have noticed that pomgranate tastes as bad as, if not
> worse than, any of the many juices I have tried
> .
> LF wrote:
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Hmmm, might just be something to this. When I was a kid, a neighbor's
Pomegranate tree hung over into our back yard. Chewed on a lot of fresh
pomegranate seeds (little juice capsules) whenever I could while I was
growing up. Loved them.
This is quite a 'stretch' but, Carotids are now 15% obstructed and I
went for years with outrageously high levels of LDL and Triclycerides.
(Fortunately HDL was usually up there as well.)
....Lmac
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| Wanderer 2006-06-09, 4:22 pm |
| On Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:45:45 -0400, Muerta wrote
(in article <ObSdnTXoxND1whTZnZ2dnUVZ_qadnZ2d@comcast.com> ):
> Man, you beat me to it. I was going to post this.
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> I drank a glass of pomegranate a day for a couple of months and didn't
> notice any difference.
Ditto. I subsequently found out that the pomegranate hype was concocted by
the Resnicks, the marketing team behind Teleflora and the Franklin Mint. I
believe they acquired a major tract of land in California which had
pomegranates growing on it... and wanted to figure out what they could do
with them. The "studies" followed. The stuff may be good for you, who knows,
but I noticed no differences subjectively, or in my blood work, before and
after taking it.
Wanderer
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| Ignatz's Bricks 2006-06-10, 8:22 am |
| dgmoore@erols.com wrote:
> The claim is that pomegranate juice may help clear clogged arteries.
> I've been taking it for months, but have no idea if it's doing anything
> or not. Still, I have noticed that pomgranate tastes as bad as, if not
> worse than, any of the many juices I have tried
About 6 months ago, I first thought I'd try pomegranate juice for two
weeks and see what would happen. The stuff does taste like it should
help you :-) and the first few days probably had a placebo effect. I
continued for a month and saw no continuing benefit, however since, at
the time, I had a scheduled blood test coming up in a little over a
month, I continued taking it to see if I saw any change there. There
was no change in blood work but by three months, something caused me
some improvement, so I continued. I had very high triglycerides and
cholesterol and was not able to tolerate any of the non-statin
cholesterol medications, until I tried Niacin.
Quoting my earlier post, "I lost 20 pounds, started drinking 8 ounces
pomegranate juice daily (replaced my cranberry juice), switched
from fish oil to krill oil, and lowered my LDL and raised my HDL by diet
and niacin.
I'm not sure which of the above caused the regained NEs, but I suspect
the combination did."
If I had to guess the probable benefit causes in order of their
effectiveness:
Niacin
Losing 20 lbs
Krill oil
Pomegranate juice
All I can say is that the combination worked and my GP says that he has
never seen anyone with such an improvement in Triglycerides, HDL and LDL
from just using Niacin. My changed diet is just reduced carbs and
avoiding sugar where possible and simply eating less.
I agree there is a lot of advertising hype on pomegranate juice. If one
reads the fine print in the full text of most tests, you will find out
that they use fresh frozen juice, not the stuff you buy in stores. I
feel pomegranate juice was a contributor, but not the main one, to my
improvement.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...1875&query_hl=1
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...7695&query_hl=4
(If your newsreader breaks the line, copy and paste into "notepad" and
delete the space, then copy that link into your web browser.)
IB
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| Ignatz's Bricks wrote:
> dgmoore@erols.com wrote:
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> About 6 months ago, I first thought I'd try pomegranate juice for two
> weeks and see what would happen. The stuff does taste like it should
> help you :-) and the first few days probably had a placebo effect. I
> continued for a month and saw no continuing benefit, however since, at
> the time, I had a scheduled blood test coming up in a little over a
> month, I continued taking it to see if I saw any change there. There
> was no change in blood work but by three months, something caused me
> some improvement, so I continued. I had very high triglycerides and
> cholesterol and was not able to tolerate any of the non-statin
> cholesterol medications, until I tried Niacin.
>
> Quoting my earlier post, "I lost 20 pounds, started drinking 8 ounces
> pomegranate juice daily (replaced my cranberry juice), switched
> from fish oil to krill oil, and lowered my LDL and raised my HDL by diet
> and niacin.
>
> I'm not sure which of the above caused the regained NEs, but I suspect
> the combination did."
>
> If I had to guess the probable benefit causes in order of their
> effectiveness:
>
> Niacin
> Losing 20 lbs
> Krill oil
> Pomegranate juice
>
> All I can say is that the combination worked and my GP says that he has
> never seen anyone with such an improvement in Triglycerides, HDL and LDL
> from just using Niacin. My changed diet is just reduced carbs and
> avoiding sugar where possible and simply eating less.
>
> I agree there is a lot of advertising hype on pomegranate juice. If one
> reads the fine print in the full text of most tests, you will find out
> that they use fresh frozen juice, not the stuff you buy in stores. I
> feel pomegranate juice was a contributor, but not the main one, to my
> improvement.
Are you saying that fresh frozen is the way to go?? IIRC the early
thread addressed juice from concentrate, various dilutions, frozen and a
couple of other types. Ignoring the advertising hype which one is the
way to go?? And, does the fresh-frozen come in full strength or are
there variances?
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...1875&query_hl=1
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> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...7695&query_hl=4
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> (If your newsreader breaks the line, copy and paste into "notepad" and
> delete the space, then copy that link into your web browser.)
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> IB
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I found the discussion of flow turbulence in above links very
interesting. i.e. oxidative stress being most predominant in arterial
locations where turbulence is most severe. This might explain why some
persons tend to develop additional flow problems after they have stents
inserted to open an artery. (The turbulence might be higher downstream
of the stent.)
If that's the case, Vitamin E, which is a mild anti-oxident but also
thins the blood, would tend to reduce the turbulence as do drugs like
Aspirin and Plavix.
....Lmac
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| Ignatz's Bricks 2006-06-12, 9:21 pm |
| lmac wrote:
> Are you saying that fresh frozen is the way to go?? IIRC the early
> thread addressed juice from concentrate, various dilutions, frozen and a
> couple of other types. Ignoring the advertising hype which one is the
> way to go?? And, does the fresh-frozen come in full strength or are
> there variances?
I don't know. I went to the Medical Library of a nearby college and
looked up the original publications on both of the posted links and only
there noticed that this was special quick frozen whole pomegranate used
in the tests, not the juice the test's sponsor was selling commercially.
For what it is worth, only one brand, that same brand -- POM Wonderful,
is available locally, so it is a moot point with me.
IB
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