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| Jimmy Ö. 2006-03-22, 12:32 pm |
| This may be the wrong group to post this question but.......
What are people's thoughts on increasing semen volume?
Not sperm counts, but the actual semen volume one can ejaculate.
I've heard of several different herbal supplements on the market
claiming to increase volume and orgasm intensity. Some products also
claim to help with ED.
The main ingredient I've noticed, that all products have in common is
saw palmetto. Which is supposedly very good for prostrate health.
Thanks in advance for any information and/or anecdotal advice.
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| Jimmy Ö. wrote:
> This may be the wrong group to post this question but.......
>
>
> What are people's thoughts on increasing semen volume?
>
> Not sperm counts, but the actual semen volume one can ejaculate.
>
> I've heard of several different herbal supplements on the market
> claiming to increase volume and orgasm intensity. Some products also
> claim to help with ED.
>
> The main ingredient I've noticed, that all products have in common is
> saw palmetto. Which is supposedly very good for prostrate health.
>
>
> Thanks in advance for any information and/or anecdotal advice.
Well over five years experience on Saw Palmetto says no. For me it was
a relaxant. Worked well to relieve urinary problems associated with
lateral lobe enlargement and bladder neck tension. I didn't note any
increase in the 'wad' I threw. If anything, "release" intensity was less.
You might get more input on this with a post to <<sci.med.prostate.bph>>.
LMac
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| Wanderer 2006-03-22, 12:32 pm |
| On Sat, 4 Mar 2006 16:37:51 -0500, Jimmy Ö. wrote
(in message <ph1k02p5109bhuilpfvullqud7l96j33lf@4ax.com> ):
> This may be the wrong group to post this question but.......
>
>
> What are people's thoughts on increasing semen volume?
>
> Not sperm counts, but the actual semen volume one can ejaculate.
>
> I've heard of several different herbal supplements on the market
> claiming to increase volume and orgasm intensity. Some products also
> claim to help with ED.
>
> The main ingredient I've noticed, that all products have in common is
> saw palmetto. Which is supposedly very good for prostrate health.
>
>
> Thanks in advance for any information and/or anecdotal advice.
I'm not aware of any studies that demonstrate saw palmetto as a way of
increasing semen volume. Have you come across any, Jimmy? Nor have I come
across credible evidence that ANY herb or supplement promotes greater semen
volume. Most (if not all) products sold online as a way of helping buyers
"shoot cum like a porno star" are simply efficient ways to part suckers from
their hard-earned cash.
This is a question that actually interests me a great deal, as I have noticed
that my own quantity of baby goo seems to vary fairly dramatically from day
to day and week to week. Would be interested in hearing from anyone who has
scientific or even anecdotal evidence of any substance that has any effect on
semen quantity.
Wanderer
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| Ignatz's Bricks 2006-03-22, 12:32 pm |
| Jimmy Ö. asks:
> This may be the wrong group to post this question but.......
>
>
> What are people's thoughts on increasing semen volume?
>
> Not sperm counts, but the actual semen volume one can ejaculate.
>
> I've heard of several different herbal supplements on the market
> claiming to increase volume and orgasm intensity. Some products also
> claim to help with ED.
>
> The main ingredient I've noticed, that all products have in common is
> saw palmetto. Which is supposedly very good for prostrate health.
>
>
> Thanks in advance for any information and/or anecdotal advice.
Saw Palmetto has an estrogen effect, which is why it helps relieve
symptoms of an enlarged prostate, and probably would decrease your output.
Zinc traditionally has been used to increase your wad, but, personally,
it did nothing for me.
Ignatz
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| Jimmy Ö. 2006-03-22, 12:32 pm |
| Hmmmm....
I have no hard scientific data to share concerning saw palmetto
increasing semen volume but I just noticed that a majority of
supplements offered contain saw palmetto. Even Roplex is mostly saw
palmetto; and it claims to increase one's "ropes".
From my own experiences I HAVE noticed an increase in ejaculation
volume while taking saw palmetto. 250mg morning & 250mg evening.
Along with pygeum & micronized zinc, and I eat raw pumpkin seeds as a
snack sometimes. I have no prostate problem however, so it's all not
really necessary for me.
It is just something I tried. I've encountered no adverse side
effects whatsoever. I was just curious if other guys had had similar
experiences with saw palmetto and increasing semen volume.
I've heard of saw palmetto having estrogenic effects on men. I know
soy, black cohosh and wild yam root do. Usually suggested to women.
I will look into that prostate newsgroup as well.
Thank you one an all !!
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"Jimmy Ö." <jko112@giganews.net> wrote in message
news:ph1k02p5109bhuilpfvullqud7l96j33lf@4ax.com...
> This may be the wrong group to post this question but.......
>
>
> What are people's thoughts on increasing semen volume?
>
> Not sperm counts, but the actual semen volume one can ejaculate.
>
> I've heard of several different herbal supplements on the market
> claiming to increase volume and orgasm intensity. Some products also
> claim to help with ED.
>
> The main ingredient I've noticed, that all products have in common is
> saw palmetto. Which is supposedly very good for prostrate health.
>
>
> Thanks in advance for any information and/or anecdotal advice.
Based on my own experience only I have found that protein supplements
seem to increase my volume considerably eg. whey protein or amino acid
tablets. I discovered this by accident as I was taking them as part of a
fitness regime?
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| Saw palmetto did zip for me, even when I had prostatitis years ago.
Certainly it did not increase semen volume.
Easiest way to increase semen volume is to drink plenty of water/fruit
juices. Keep yourself well-hydrated. L-arginine works very well on
me that way, but I know It doesn't on all users; maybe half, from what
I'm reading.
Jim
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| Peter 2006-03-22, 12:32 pm |
| In the past two years I have developed ED, and also, my semen volume has
drastically decreased. I can handle the ED problem with Cialis, but I wonder
why the semen volume has dropped. Is it a sign of an illness of the prostate
? Can anyone give another explanation ? I am 59 years old. Thanks.
Peter
"Jimmy Ö." <jko112@giganews.net> az alábbiakat írta a következo
hírüzenetben: ph1k02p5109bhuilpfvullqud7l96j33lf@4ax.com...
> This may be the wrong group to post this question but.......
>
>
> What are people's thoughts on increasing semen volume?
>
> Not sperm counts, but the actual semen volume one can ejaculate.
>
> I've heard of several different herbal supplements on the market
> claiming to increase volume and orgasm intensity. Some products also
> claim to help with ED.
>
> The main ingredient I've noticed, that all products have in common is
> saw palmetto. Which is supposedly very good for prostrate health.
>
>
> Thanks in advance for any information and/or anecdotal advice.
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| Peter wrote:
> In the past two years I have developed ED, and also, my semen volume has
> drastically decreased. I can handle the ED problem with Cialis, but I wonder
> why the semen volume has dropped. Is it a sign of an illness of the prostate
> ? Can anyone give another explanation ? I am 59 years old. Thanks.
> Peter
>
========== snip =========
>
>
Sounds like the onset of the notorious TMBD syndrome. My age 72 volume
is about 1/4 what it was at age 25-30 and my prostate has been called
"normal for age" on my last four physicals. (TMBD = too many birthdays)
(:-)
You'll probably get more answers in the 'bph' newsgroup
<<sci.med.prostate.bph>>. Get a Uro opinion on the prostate. Suggest
tracking your PSA on an annual basis from here on out to about age 85.
PSA + DRE is the best we have without the nuisance/expense of an
ultrasound or MRI -- regardless of what the HMO folks say!)
Keep smiling, hang loose and enjoy! ...LMac
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| There is so much misinformation on this subject. I really wish a urologist
would clear it up. Some texts claim withholding ejaculation builds up
volume, other say daily ejaculation is the way to increase volume. There are
several "volume increasing" supplements on the internet, some with elaborate
mpegs and endorsements by "porn stars". Of course, each claims theirs is the
only one that works. Then there is the fine line between building sperm
count, which I would think, would be the primary concern of a urologist
trying to help a couple with fertilization problems, and the semen volume,
which is something different. If anyone has any real substantial
information, either citable through medical sourses or anecdotal from
personal expierience, I'd sure like to hear about it!
"Jimmy Ö." <jko112@giganews.net> wrote in message
news:ph1k02p5109bhuilpfvullqud7l96j33lf@4ax.com...
> This may be the wrong group to post this question but.......
>
>
> What are people's thoughts on increasing semen volume?
>
> Not sperm counts, but the actual semen volume one can ejaculate.
>
> I've heard of several different herbal supplements on the market
> claiming to increase volume and orgasm intensity. Some products also
> claim to help with ED.
>
> The main ingredient I've noticed, that all products have in common is
> saw palmetto. Which is supposedly very good for prostrate health.
>
>
> Thanks in advance for any information and/or anecdotal advice.
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| Mungy@HorribleISP.gov 2006-03-22, 12:32 pm |
| "ag" <aglidden@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>There is so much misinformation on this subject. I really wish a urologist
>would clear it up.
The problem with a urologist "clear[ing] it up" is that the urologists
don't know any more than we do on the subject. Reduced ejaculate
volume is not a disease itself and doesn't even seem to be indicative
of or a side-effect of any disease so it attracts little interest from
the medical establishment. The supplement people and the sex toy types
don't put any effort into scientific research so they aren't likely to
come up with a solution either. [Note that reduced (or absent)
ejaculation can be indicative of tumor growth in the seminal vesicles
but we already have reliable methods (PSA) of finding that out.]
> Some texts claim withholding ejaculation builds up
>volume, other say daily ejaculation is the way to increase volume.
We'll come back to that.
> There are
>several "volume increasing" supplements on the internet, some with elaborate
>mpegs and endorsements by "porn stars". Of course, each claims theirs is the
>only one that works.
I suppose the old maxim "a fool and his money are soon parted"
applies. The porn industry is riddled with dishonesty, something that
can be seen in an even half-hearted analysis of their main product so
why would anyone trust them on this far more complex issue?
As an aside the porn star most involved with quantity and distance of
ejaculation is Peter North but if you compare his movies from the late
eighties with those of the 200n period you'll notice his volume and
distance have decreased considerably. By the time he reaches his
sixties he'll probably be posting here asking where it all went <g>.
If you wish to investigate further see:
http://www.iafd.com/person.asp?perfid=PNorth&gender=m
And as an aside to the aside, North is by no means the greatest
quantity producer. That honor belongs to a little known black
performer known by the sole name of "Bookbag". See:
http://www.iafd.com/person.asp?perfid=Bookbag&gender=m
This guy has to be seen to be believed. His distance is respectable
but his claim to fame is that he keeps cumming and cumming. It just
pours out probably totaling over a quarter cup (cook's measure).
Amazing!
And continuing along the same tangent, among mammals the highest
quantity producer is the wild boar who approximates one cup at each
ejaculation. Talk about a "wet spot"!
Back at the main point, it's very unlikely that any supplement or
herbal remedy is going to have a generalized effect. If it had you
wouldn't be asking the question and the regular pharmaceutical
industry would have co-opted it already just have they've done with
things like foxglove or it would have become an illegal like opium,
mescaline, or marijuana. Your only hope in this area is that it's a
recently-discovered herb or supplement or that your particular body
chemistry is peculiar and you'll benefit whereas most of us won't. The
first is because the cost of co-opting it into the regular
pharmacopoeia and obtaining FDA approval is so costly (> $100 million)
that no one will undertake such an effort for a drug they can't
patent; the second is possible but improbable.
Nevertheless I and presumably most interested others have tried most
of the recommended supplements with in my case no success whatsoever.
My latest was large doses of Zinc (no effect on anything) and before
that Folic Acid (likewise). My medicine cabinet is littered with the
residue of this waste of money.
> Then there is the fine line between building sperm
>count, which I would think, would be the primary concern of a urologist
>trying to help a couple with fertilization problems, and the semen volume,
>which is something different. If anyone has any real substantial
>information, either citable through medical sourses or anecdotal from
>personal expierience, I'd sure like to hear about it!
We'd all like to hear about it and so would most of the male
population <g>. Also a reliable penis enlargement drug <g>.
There are some studies on Medline regarding increasing sperm
production which as you point out attracts the attention of the
medical establishment for fertility reasons. Folic Acid was one they
came up with. However sperm makes up less than 10 % of the total
ejaculate so even if you could (say) double the quantity of sperm you
wouldn't make a tremendous difference to the total. We need a "rogue"
researcher who's willing to put in the effort to investigate the
subject and produce a solution or a serendipitous find like the PDE-5
suppressors.
I'm currently working on the potential side effects of drugs used to
treat over-active bladder on the grounds that incompetence in the
valves that close off the ejaculatory ducts may cause retrograde
leakage back into the bladder. IOW I may be producing more ejaculate
than is evident because it's seeping backwards. The only support I
have for this is that my urine over the last five or so years has
become increasingly frothy to the point that today especially in the
first pee of the morning the urine has a "head" similar to that of
beer (not Guinness though!). My urologist pooh-poohs this idea and
suggested I try Sudafed which was a stupid idea because Sudafed causes
ED.
My PCP is more amenable to writing prescriptions for anything I want
(I suppose he'd draw the line at narcotics) and to date I've been
through:
- the A1 antagonists generally used for BPH as well. They cause mild
ED.
- a tricyclic anti-depressant (imipramine) which caused ED similar to
Prozac. AD's such as the MAO inhibitors and bupropion (Wellbutrin)
don't have an ED effect but do nothing in this area.
I'm now trying the anti-muscarinics (Enablex) which so far don't seem
to have any effect on froth or urge or anything else but at least they
don't cause ED. I'll give it another week.
Returning to the question of delay (daily or longer) I don't have any
firm convictions in this area but theories abound. Some considerations
and personal experience:
The commentary about Propecia (hair loss) is all over the place, some
say reduction in ejaculate, some increase, and some even ED but what
is interesting are the comments about "rubbery" or elastic bits in the
fluid. See:
http://www.askapatient.com/viewrati...8&name=PROPECIA
I used to have these back when I was a teenager. In fact right up
through my forties in decreasing quantity. Today (mid sixties) while I
do have thick globules of white stuff the rubbery lumps are rare.
Further comments about rubbery lumps: Apparently (I'm not testifying
to the accuracy of this: just passing it on) certain wealthy Arab
(Islamic) men have been engaging in the practice of marrying
(essentially renting) girls from the ex-Soviet Union countries under a
contract for a few months. Divorce is easy, the financial arrangements
are such that the girl makes big bucks in a short time, and I suppose
the guys are satisfied. Well, in an interview with one of these girls
after she had returned from such an arrangement she discussed the guy
and his sexual performance. Not too flattering but one item I didn't
know is that Islam has strict prohibitions against masturbation (but
not marriages of convenience apparently <g> ) so this guy was all
backed-up so to speak. According to the girl his ejaculate was
near-solid for the first few times and actually caused him
considerable pain getting it out.
Hmmm. While I'm not willing to abstain for a significant length of
time to test out the theory I can report that several days continence
does result in an increased viscosity and it's on these occasions that
I'm likely to get some rubbery bits. This seems strange given the
body's normal re-absorption of anything it has in surplus. If anyone
has a further explanation of this (or a hypothesis) I'd like to hear.
Leaving that aside, my personal experience is that abstinence doesn't
increase volume but what does increase it is sexual arousal to a point
just before ejaculation. Let it pass and then bring it up again.
Repeat multiple times. Similarly increased sexual arousal (watching a
porno or the girls in the street and getting an erection) multiple
times during the 24 hours immediately before ejaculation increases
quantity. I think what's happening is that the cells are secreting
fluid each time into the seminal vesicles and it's gradually building
up. When you finally let go-- voila! -- increased volume but
unfortunately not to teenage level.
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| Muerta 2006-03-22, 12:32 pm |
|
<Mungy@HorribleISP.gov> wrote in message
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> "ag" <aglidden@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>
> The problem with a urologist "clear[ing] it up" is that the urologists
> don't know any more than we do on the subject. Reduced ejaculate
> volume is not a disease itself and doesn't even seem to be indicative
> of or a side-effect of any disease so it attracts little interest from
> the medical establishment. The supplement people and the sex toy types
> don't put any effort into scientific research so they aren't likely to
> come up with a solution either. [Note that reduced (or absent)
> ejaculation can be indicative of tumor growth in the seminal vesicles
> but we already have reliable methods (PSA) of finding that out.]
>
>
> We'll come back to that.
>
>
> I suppose the old maxim "a fool and his money are soon parted"
> applies. The porn industry is riddled with dishonesty, something that
> can be seen in an even half-hearted analysis of their main product so
> why would anyone trust them on this far more complex issue?
>
> As an aside the porn star most involved with quantity and distance of
> ejaculation is Peter North but if you compare his movies from the late
> eighties with those of the 200n period you'll notice his volume and
> distance have decreased considerably. By the time he reaches his
> sixties he'll probably be posting here asking where it all went <g>.
> If you wish to investigate further see:
>
> http://www.iafd.com/person.asp?perfid=PNorth&gender=m
>
> And as an aside to the aside, North is by no means the greatest
> quantity producer. That honor belongs to a little known black
> performer known by the sole name of "Bookbag". See:
>
> http://www.iafd.com/person.asp?perfid=Bookbag&gender=m
>
> This guy has to be seen to be believed. His distance is respectable
> but his claim to fame is that he keeps cumming and cumming. It just
> pours out probably totaling over a quarter cup (cook's measure).
> Amazing!
>
> And continuing along the same tangent, among mammals the highest
> quantity producer is the wild boar who approximates one cup at each
> ejaculation. Talk about a "wet spot"!
>
> Back at the main point, it's very unlikely that any supplement or
> herbal remedy is going to have a generalized effect. If it had you
> wouldn't be asking the question and the regular pharmaceutical
> industry would have co-opted it already just have they've done with
> things like foxglove or it would have become an illegal like opium,
> mescaline, or marijuana. Your only hope in this area is that it's a
> recently-discovered herb or supplement or that your particular body
> chemistry is peculiar and you'll benefit whereas most of us won't. The
> first is because the cost of co-opting it into the regular
> pharmacopoeia and obtaining FDA approval is so costly (> $100 million)
> that no one will undertake such an effort for a drug they can't
> patent; the second is possible but improbable.
>
> Nevertheless I and presumably most interested others have tried most
> of the recommended supplements with in my case no success whatsoever.
> My latest was large doses of Zinc (no effect on anything) and before
> that Folic Acid (likewise). My medicine cabinet is littered with the
> residue of this waste of money.
>
>
> We'd all like to hear about it and so would most of the male
> population <g>. Also a reliable penis enlargement drug <g>.
>
> There are some studies on Medline regarding increasing sperm
> production which as you point out attracts the attention of the
> medical establishment for fertility reasons. Folic Acid was one they
> came up with. However sperm makes up less than 10 % of the total
> ejaculate so even if you could (say) double the quantity of sperm you
> wouldn't make a tremendous difference to the total. We need a "rogue"
> researcher who's willing to put in the effort to investigate the
> subject and produce a solution or a serendipitous find like the PDE-5
> suppressors.
>
> I'm currently working on the potential side effects of drugs used to
> treat over-active bladder on the grounds that incompetence in the
> valves that close off the ejaculatory ducts may cause retrograde
> leakage back into the bladder. IOW I may be producing more ejaculate
> than is evident because it's seeping backwards. The only support I
> have for this is that my urine over the last five or so years has
> become increasingly frothy to the point that today especially in the
> first pee of the morning the urine has a "head" similar to that of
> beer (not Guinness though!). My urologist pooh-poohs this idea and
> suggested I try Sudafed which was a stupid idea because Sudafed causes
> ED.
>
> My PCP is more amenable to writing prescriptions for anything I want
> (I suppose he'd draw the line at narcotics) and to date I've been
> through:
>
> - the A1 antagonists generally used for BPH as well. They cause mild
> ED.
>
> - a tricyclic anti-depressant (imipramine) which caused ED similar to
> Prozac. AD's such as the MAO inhibitors and bupropion (Wellbutrin)
> don't have an ED effect but do nothing in this area.
>
> I'm now trying the anti-muscarinics (Enablex) which so far don't seem
> to have any effect on froth or urge or anything else but at least they
> don't cause ED. I'll give it another week.
>
> Returning to the question of delay (daily or longer) I don't have any
> firm convictions in this area but theories abound. Some considerations
> and personal experience:
>
> The commentary about Propecia (hair loss) is all over the place, some
> say reduction in ejaculate, some increase, and some even ED but what
> is interesting are the comments about "rubbery" or elastic bits in the
> fluid. See:
>
> http://www.askapatient.com/viewrati...8&name=PROPECIA
>
> I used to have these back when I was a teenager. In fact right up
> through my forties in decreasing quantity. Today (mid sixties) while I
> do have thick globules of white stuff the rubbery lumps are rare.
>
> Further comments about rubbery lumps: Apparently (I'm not testifying
> to the accuracy of this: just passing it on) certain wealthy Arab
> (Islamic) men have been engaging in the practice of marrying
> (essentially renting) girls from the ex-Soviet Union countries under a
> contract for a few months. Divorce is easy, the financial arrangements
> are such that the girl makes big bucks in a short time, and I suppose
> the guys are satisfied. Well, in an interview with one of these girls
> after she had returned from such an arrangement she discussed the guy
> and his sexual performance. Not too flattering but one item I didn't
> know is that Islam has strict prohibitions against masturbation (but
> not marriages of convenience apparently <g> ) so this guy was all
> backed-up so to speak. According to the girl his ejaculate was
> near-solid for the first few times and actually caused him
> considerable pain getting it out.
>
> Hmmm. While I'm not willing to abstain for a significant length of
> time to test out the theory I can report that several days continence
> does result in an increased viscosity and it's on these occasions that
> I'm likely to get some rubbery bits. This seems strange given the
> body's normal re-absorption of anything it has in surplus. If anyone
> has a further explanation of this (or a hypothesis) I'd like to hear.
>
> Leaving that aside, my personal experience is that abstinence doesn't
> increase volume but what does increase it is sexual arousal to a point
> just before ejaculation. Let it pass and then bring it up again.
> Repeat multiple times. Similarly increased sexual arousal (watching a
> porno or the girls in the street and getting an erection) multiple
> times during the 24 hours immediately before ejaculation increases
> quantity. I think what's happening is that the cells are secreting
> fluid each time into the seminal vesicles and it's gradually building
> up. When you finally let go-- voila! -- increased volume but
> unfortunately not to teenage level.
>
>
Mungy, good to see you back, I thought you were chasing Ernest Nolan for
awhile ;)
Good reply...........and now that I've given you your......"props....dawg",
I'll add my 1 1/2 cents.
I have chased this lessening ejaculation thing for awhile. I could shoot
like a firehose at 40, kinda dribble at 54.
Still feels good though!
However, something Or Eon said when he was here, how he would, "edge", and
he could get good delivery, got me to thinking.
I have found through much experimentation (man, I'm glad I didn't document
this) that the longer I delay, and the more turned on I am, in direct
relation to how long since the last orgasm, equals (=) a "load".
My wife is quick to join into this research, and I have taped proof,
although you bastards will never see it, that under the right circumstances,
I can still emit at least two good, sizeable (I said "sizeable, not
"olympic") spurts toward desired target.
Now this is not trivial, as those of later years will attest to. If you
tease it, hold back, are "really" turned on, not just going through
maintainence, it is achievable.
Man, it ain't Peter North, but it ain't dripping off your hand, either.
I encourage further experimentation. Federal funding not available.
Can I get an "amen"?
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|
| Not quite the Amen just yet.
On second thought is there a possibility of some minor retrograde as we age?
--
LMac
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| Mungy@HorribleISP.gov 2006-03-22, 12:32 pm |
| "Muerta" <not@home.com> wrote:
<snip>
>Mungy, good to see you back, I thought you were chasing Ernest Nolan for
>awhile ;)
I never actually left. Did Ernest Nolan die? I didn't see that. The
guys I'd like to see return are X and Franz. X was the guy who was
always visiting the hookers in Tijuana and came up with the alternate
condom source. I think he was also the first to use Josh back in the
days when you had to send your money to Pakistan. Franz also had a
thing about hookers but in Germany. He did quite a bit of
experimentation with Yohimbine, trying doses far in excess of why I'd
dare to do.
| |
| Muerta 2006-03-22, 12:33 pm |
|
<Mungy@HorribleISP.gov> wrote in message
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> "Muerta" <not@home.com> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>
> I never actually left. Did Ernest Nolan die? I didn't see that. The
> guys I'd like to see return are X and Franz. X was the guy who was
> always visiting the hookers in Tijuana and came up with the alternate
> condom source. I think he was also the first to use Josh back in the
> days when you had to send your money to Pakistan. Franz also had a
> thing about hookers but in Germany. He did quite a bit of
> experimentation with Yohimbine, trying doses far in excess of why I'd
> dare to do.
>
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Don't know the status of Ernest, but he dropped off the face of the earth
after a benign post in....August, I think. Strange for a guy that was in
here most every day with a reply or two.
Yeah, @X was a trip. I enjoyed his research findings. If something was out
there, he was the first to try it, and then over the border and through the
woods. Back to the U.S. with effectiveness report.
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| itazuke 2006-03-24, 1:04 am |
| My vote is for L-Arginine.
John
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