| Muerta 2006-12-06, 9:56 pm |
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<Mungy@HorribleISP.gov> wrote in message
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> "Muerta" <not@home.com> wrote:
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> Amazing how just at the right moment along comes your (Muerta's) post.
> I was planning to ask some questions about low T and TRT so I'll just
> piggy-back here.
>
> Had my annual physical a week ago and today talked to my PCP about the
> blood and urine test results. Everything normal (my PSA has actually
> gone down (to 0.4)) except T and Free T (the latter "very low"
> according to the PCP who seems to be far more worried about it than
> I). He suggested I might try a course of TRT and see if it improves
> things. What things?
>
> My problems as I've bitched about here over the years, are delayed
> ejaculation (40 min, now frequently up to an hour), reduced quantity
> (prostate dust) and reduced force (ooze). I also suffer from minor BPH
> or overactive bladder (the differential diagnosis is difficult), minor
> COPD and of course ED. For the latter I take Manly + Yohimbine and
> before that Cialis (Josh) plus Y. Y is also for ejaculation. No Y = no
> ejaculation at all. But none of these seem to have much to do with the
> motivation for the PCP's suggestion. He went on about helping with
> stress and (he didn't quite put it like this) my anxiety which is a
> contributor to the COPD and BPH. Well, whatever his reasoning I've
> exhausted all the other options so I'll go along.
>
> He suggested a "lotion". I'd never heard of this--is this androgel in
> some more liquid form? I said that the word was that trans-dermal
> absorption resulted in a large rise in aromatization so I wasn't keen
> on this idea. Oops, lets jump down.
>
>
>
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> I suggested injections. He said OK once a month. I said no, once a
> week to avoid the peaks and valleys. You could hear the neurons firing
> on the other end of the line. He said that I have a point but he's
> going to have to do the first injection and show me how to do it. He's
> sending me an Rx plus the lab report and he'll give me a supply of
> syringes when he shows me how. The question remaining is the dose. He
> said something about 2cc, I presume for the month. Now I'm lost.
> There's also something about International Units???? He mentioned 200
> I think.
>
> Now I can push the guy gently in the direction I want him to go as
> long as it's not ridiculous (he kept emphasizing that this was a
> controlled substance) but I need some idea of an appropriate dose at
> least for starters and preferably a serious website that I can print
> out.
>
> Also let's not sugar-coat this? It hurts, right? What sort of hurt?
> Hours of pain, can't sit down? Dull ache for the rest of the week?
> Momentary pain as it goes in? Aspirin-level pain? Abscessed tooth
> pain? I too intend to have the wife do the dirty work. By glute you
> mean one butt cheek, right? From the side? From the back? Is this some
> huge needle that goes in a couple of inches? Could it hit the hip
> bone? Can you do any damage? What happens if you don't go deep enough?
> Does it take a long time to go in (the fluid)?
>
> The only experience I have had with butt injections was gamma globulin
> many years ago when I was about to go on a trip to India. I think it
> was a substitute for a cholera vaccination which they don't have. That
> didn't hurt much at all. Don't ask about DTTAB in my back--friggin'
> foreign doctors!
>
> BTW when I told the wife that taking T will probably make my testes
> shrink she wasn't keen about that because according to her they're
> "the only good thing about my genitals." Jeez, the rest of them just
> became even smaller <g>. She also extracted some minor
> concessions--only on Sunday and only if I get up before her, feed the
> dog, and make her coffee all before 7am (she's a early person and I'm
> a night owl). Oh well...
>
>
Hey, Mungy...good to see ya, bud. People get busy and drop out for awhile
and...well...you know, ya start to wonder.
OK, you covered some ground, lets see what I can add.
Dosage-according to the info from the companies that make the stuff, the
dosage is 400-800mg's per month. OK, so weekly, that equates to a max of
200mg. T cyp comes in strengths of 100 and 200mg per ml (cc). I do .6 to
..7cc of 200 mg per ml, so that gives me 120-140mg per week. That keeps me
around 600-700 ng/dl, which is well below the max T serum level that the
docs "say" we should be at.
Injection-T cyp is like motor oil. It is thick. I use an 18 gauge needle to
draw it into the syringe, then swap to a 25 gauge to inject. A 1 1/2 inch
needle for glute, a 1" needle for anterior thigh. I buy BD syringes/needles
from http://www.getpinz.com which now auto-switches ya to their new name. I
buy a case (100) 3ml syringes with 1 1/2" 25 gauge needle, and then a bunch
of just 18 gauge needles, undo both packages, switch the needles, swap the
vial of T, inject a little air in the bottle (1/2 cc), then draw the T, pull
the needle, hold it vertically, draw a little air into the syringe, tap out
air bubbles, put the 25 ga back on, slowly push the plunger until a couple
of drops og T slide down the needle. This not only gets air out, but you
turn the needle, and it lubes the needle for easier injection.
(He pauses for breath)
Then, the swab/syringe is handed to the wife, I lie comfortably on the bed,
on my side, with leg slightly drawn up and relaxed on whatever side is to be
injected. The wife swabs injection area, puts it in, *aspirates* (that is a
slight drawing back of the plunger until a couple *small* air bubbles appear
to make sure it's not in a vein), and then injects. If you ever get blood
timge in the aspiration, withdraw, dispose of entire syringe/T, and start
back at step 1. In all the years, I've never gotten tinge.
It takes a little bit to get T cyp through a 25 ga needle, but it leaves
much less trauma than a 21 ga.
Pain-not much to it, amigo. No two shots feel the same no matter who gives
them. As the wife gets better, they get better. It really didn't take squat
for her to get the hang of it. Occasionally I will flinch, or she will
intoduce slight horizontal movement, and although not real painful, you know
the needle is in there.
There is sometimes some very, very slight soreness at the injection site,
but it's just something that you might notice when walking or physical
activity.
The T peaks in your system ~2 to 3 days after injection, then declines, so
make sure that future tests are done the day before injection, not 2 days
after ;-)
BPH- there was a discussion in this group, oh man, had to be over 5 years
ago, that scientists were looking at estrogen in men as a source of prostate
problems because it occurs at the point in life that T is declining, and E's
are going up. As we age as men, that's the way it works. T goes away, E's
take it's place. I can't remember who started the thread, but I remember at
the time that it went for awhile. Maybe somebody can jump in that remembers.
I don't know if you were around when I originally switched to T cyp, but I
posted that it was like "a film was peeled from my soul". It was a
remarkable experience for me. My wife injected me, we were sitting watching
TV about 2 hours later, she looked over at me, her eyes got big, and she
said, "wow...the sparkle is back in your eyes!". I felt alive again.
I can't say everybody has that experience, but for cognitive function, and
an overall sense of "well being", your gonna feel it.
Delayed ejaculation- I know that's been a popular on/off discussion here,
but agin, I don't recall. A little help from our friends, maybe.
OK, lets see...I'l quote you from above...
"Also let's not sugar-coat this? It hurts, right? What sort of hurt?
Hours of pain, can't sit down? Dull ache for the rest of the week?
Momentary pain as it goes in? Aspirin-level pain? Abscessed tooth
pain? I too intend to have the wife do the dirty work. By glute you
mean one butt cheek, right? From the side? From the back? Is this some
huge needle that goes in a couple of inches? Could it hit the hip
bone? Can you do any damage? What happens if you don't go deep enough?
Does it take a long time to go in (the fluid)?"
Glute is a quadrant area on either buttcheek. Lotsa diagrams online. Its
kinda halfway between your butt crack and hip bone, upper half of either
cheek. It's called, like, "Gluteas Maximus" or some spelling thereof.
1 1/2 inch needle, no, no danger of a hipbone, your shooting into muscle
mass, one of our largest. The needle goes all the way in. If not, the worse
that could happen is the fluid *could* come back out the "track" when the
needle is pulled out. then ya gotta do it again. Very slim chance of that
happening, though.
No chance of damge that I can think of, even a sloppy shot is a momentary
(I'm sorry) "pain in the XXX".
Wow, hope that helped, Mungy. Fire back if I can babble anymore.
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