Impotence Support - Pomegranate Juice(!)

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Pomegranate Juice(!)

junkmail2869us@yahoo.com

2005-12-10, 12:51 pm

OK, some disclaimers/explanation, ahead of my story. I am NOT with the
Pomegranate Juice industry (those evil bastards!) I am personally quite
skeptical of miracle cures, herbal nostrums, etc.

All that said, I've been drinking a glass of pomegranate juice a day
for 2 weeks now, and the results are pretty remarkable. I really want
to share this with the group.

OK, me: 36, healthy, pretty thin. I drank a fair amount (college-style
drinking) from 18-29. Moderate social smoker (5 cigs a day at worst)
for 10 years or so; totally quit for 5 years. Moderate exerciser these
days.

Anyway, I've had trouble in the ole department for a long time now.
Just found it very tough to acquire and maintain a good erection since
24 or so.

Of course, I thought it was "psychological" for years, until Viagra
came out and the complexity of the erectile process became apparent. As
far as the "cause" of my problems, some clues but no answers: a
prominent vein on the right side and a curve to the left (weak vein?).
Possible slight peyronie's plaque on top side of penis (two urologists
disagreed about the diagnosis). In retrospect, one thing I've since
realized: my dick often felt flaccid and cool to the touch during the
day and had a very pale look to it.

Anyway, Viagra and the rest work pretty well for me, but I didn't want
to rely on them forever. So I started doing the research. Went looking
on Pubmed for searches about "cGMP" and "Pde5." Started following some
recent studies that showed antioxidants helped with ED (oxidation
damage is now theorized to be a possible contributor to ED). Started
taking resveratrol and grape seed extract supplements.

Anyway, I came across some studies that Pomegranate Juice may
SPECIFICALLY help ED (studies below). Pomegranate Juice seems to be a
very strong antioxidant and to have anti-artheriogenic properties.

So, I started on the stuff, and the results have been damn good. My
penis now feels warm throughout the entired day. It looks... normal:
flesh colored, not whitish. Best yet: I can acquire and maintain a very
nice erection. Not a platonic perfection of one, but a damn good one.
My penis is also somewhat thicker when erect.

Guys, try this stuff. Try a 4-7 ounce glass of PJ a day, with an
antioxidant supplement. Obviously try to find PJ with low sugar as
possible (though, interestingly, the pubmed research showed that
diabetics could tolerate PJ very well). I'm very curious to see what
your results are.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...1875&query_hl=1

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...7695&query_hl=4

Earl Lewis

2005-12-11, 12:50 pm

Your post was enough to intrigue me, so I went right out this morning
and shopped in my local supermarket for pomegranates and pomegranate
juice. Good gosh, what makes the stuff so expensive? I paid $4 for
16oz of the juice and $5 for two pomegranates. It is delicious, but
for that price it'll have to remain an occasional treat. What's the
story - does it have to be imported? grown in a special soil? stomped
out my naked polynesian girls? It doesn't reside on the shelves with
plain-jane grape juice, tomato juice, etc. It is found on a
refrigerated shelf amongst the organic foods in the produce section. I
almost missed it, cause I can't afford to eat there.

Also, forget about running a pomegranate thru a regular juicer, and DO
NOT get any on a clean shirt.

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junkmail2869us@yahoo.com

2005-12-11, 5:53 pm

Yeah, no kidding. It must be difficult to process the stuff.

I buy a 32 oz bottle for $8. Cheaper than the POM brand which is way
too expensive and has too much sugar anyway.

My results have been so good I'm gonna suck it up and just buy the
stuff, maybe 1.5 bottles a week. I'll probably look into cheaper
concentrate versions.

Hey, here's another (positive) side effect (not to be gross): I had a
small wart on my wrist, cauliflower-looking type, but not big enough to
deal with. I noticed a week after drinking the PJ is got sort of
inflamed - and has since started retreating. The wart is almost gone.

Stuff like that is an interesting indication that something fundamental
is going on with this stuff.

Earl Lewis wrote:
> Your post was enough to intrigue me, so I went right out this morning
> and shopped in my local supermarket for pomegranates and pomegranate
> juice. Good gosh, what makes the stuff so expensive? I paid $4 for
> 16oz of the juice and $5 for two pomegranates. It is delicious, but
> for that price it'll have to remain an occasional treat. What's the
> story - does it have to be imported? grown in a special soil? stomped
> out my naked polynesian girls? It doesn't reside on the shelves with
> plain-jane grape juice, tomato juice, etc. It is found on a
> refrigerated shelf amongst the organic foods in the produce section. I
> almost missed it, cause I can't afford to eat there.
>
> Also, forget about running a pomegranate thru a regular juicer, and DO
> NOT get any on a clean shirt.
>
>
>
> Remove no_spam to reply email

Pseud O. Nym

2005-12-11, 5:53 pm

Earl Lewis <crassono_spam@verizon.net> wrote in
news:rlvop19of5ucdlpnupfmkmesa3k0lqltvf@4ax.com:

> What's the
> story - does it have to be imported? grown in a special soil?

+++++++++++

I have five pomegranate trees growing in my garden. They were loaded with
fruit this year. I left most of the fruit on the trees until they split
open and fell off the trees onto the ground.

I did harvest about 75 pounds of the fruit and I still have approximately
50 pounds sitting out on my back porch in plastic bags. My wife likes to
select some of the nicest looking fruit and give them to her friends for
Christmas decorations. I keep a large plastic bowl of the seeds in my
fridge.

I purchased the first two pomegranate trees at a local nursery. The other
three trees were propogated from cuttings that I took from the first two
trees. They grew very readily. I am located not far from where Texas,
Louisiana and Arkansas come together at a common point and I do not know
how they grow elsewhere.

PON

LMac

2005-12-12, 12:55 am

Pseud O. Nym wrote:
> Earl Lewis <crassono_spam@verizon.net> wrote in
> news:rlvop19of5ucdlpnupfmkmesa3k0lqltvf@4ax.com:
>
>
>
>
> +++++++++++
>
> I have five pomegranate trees growing in my garden. They were loaded with
> fruit this year. I left most of the fruit on the trees until they split
> open and fell off the trees onto the ground.
>
> I did harvest about 75 pounds of the fruit and I still have approximately
> 50 pounds sitting out on my back porch in plastic bags. My wife likes to
> select some of the nicest looking fruit and give them to her friends for
> Christmas decorations. I keep a large plastic bowl of the seeds in my
> fridge.
>
> I purchased the first two pomegranate trees at a local nursery. The other
> three trees were propogated from cuttings that I took from the first two
> trees. They grew very readily. I am located not far from where Texas,
> Louisiana and Arkansas come together at a common point and I do not know
> how they grow elsewhere.
>
> PON
>
As a kid I grew up in the L.A. basin. Out next door neighbor had a
pomegranate tree that reached across the fence into our backyard. Tree
was about 7 years old, was not cultivated and produced scads of fruit.
Kids would break the fruit open, pick out the seeds, squash them in our
mouths and spit out the seeds. Not easy eating and probably difficult
to commercially process.

Western Garden Book calls this "Punica granatum" The Albo-plena, Chico,
Double Red and Legrelle varieties are flowering only, no fruit. the
Nana, Sweet and Wonderful varieties produce fruit. It will grow in most
climates save the desert and the foggy coastal regions. Needs little
cultivation.

LMac

Ron

2005-12-12, 5:52 pm

Very interesting...

We here at Allmera Nutraceutical have created the first all natural
antioxidant, using no chemicals or synthetic vitamins only fruit, tea
and seed extracts we have managed to come up with a very strong formula
(5700 ORAC, or about 100 times stronger than a fresh pomegranate)
containing all the phytochemicals, flavonoids and micronutrients you'd
normally only expect to find in fruit in the same ratios as nature
intended.

We all know now that cellular oxidation is a main cause for many many
problems with the body but ED is one that you normally don't think
of... It was very interesting, I thank you for bringing this to
everyone's attention.

Currently we are undergoing many different studies on our product
Proleva (mostly with regards to the bodies cardiovascular and other
major systems but nothing regarding ED, however this might be
interesting to pursue if for nothing else but simple curiosity), one
result we just recently received was an ROS assay; the basic summary of
the study was that Proleva reduces the oxidative damage caused by free
radicals by nearly 700% we will be posting the full study at
proleva.com here shortly.

Until then I wish you men the best of luck and if I can be of any
assistance to some of your antioxidant questions please feel free to
ask.

Ron
www.proleva.com

LMac wrote:
> Pseud O. Nym wrote:
> As a kid I grew up in the L.A. basin. Out next door neighbor had a
> pomegranate tree that reached across the fence into our backyard. Tree
> was about 7 years old, was not cultivated and produced scads of fruit.
> Kids would break the fruit open, pick out the seeds, squash them in our
> mouths and spit out the seeds. Not easy eating and probably difficult
> to commercially process.
>
> Western Garden Book calls this "Punica granatum" The Albo-plena, Chico,
> Double Red and Legrelle varieties are flowering only, no fruit. the
> Nana, Sweet and Wonderful varieties produce fruit. It will grow in most
> climates save the desert and the foggy coastal regions. Needs little
> cultivation.
>
> LMac

Some Guy

2006-01-08, 5:52 pm

Hello,

Someone posted in early December the beneficial effects he had
oboserved on his erections while taking pomegranate juice. At the
time he had been drinking 4-7 oz a day for 2 weeks.

As it is now a month later, I am curious if the original poster is
continuing to see benefits or if anyone else has tried this.

I justs started drinking pomegranate juice a couple of days ago (and
eating the ocassional pomegranate). It's too early to tell if I am
benefiting , but I might be.

Usually I wouldn't get too optimistic about natural remedies such as
this, but one of the research articles mentioned in the original post
was quite intriguing (see abstract below)..

Some Guy

J Urol. 2005 Jul;174(1):386-93. Oxidative stress in arteriogenic
erectile dysfunction: prophylactic role of antioxidants. Azadzoi KM,
Schulman RN, Aviram M, Siroky MB. Department of Urology, Boston
University School of Medicine and Veterans Affairs Boston Healthcare
System, Boston, Massachusetts, USA. kazadzoi@bu.edu PURPOSE: We
searched for markers of oxidative stress in cavernous ischemia and
examined the effect of long-term antioxidant intake on arteriogenic
erectile dysfunction (ED) in the rabbit. MATERIALS AND METHODS:
Antioxidant activity of known antioxidant beverages, such as
pomegranate juice (PJ), red wine, blueberry juice, cranberry juice,
orange juice and green tea, was examined spectrophotometrically. PJ
demonstrated the highest free radical scavenging capacity. The effect
of long-term PJ intake on intracavernous blood flow and penile
erection was then examined in the rabbit model. Erectile tissues were
processed to assess oxidative stress and smooth muscle relaxation,
immunohistochemical staining of nitric oxide synthase (NOS) and
histomorphometry. RESULTS: On spectrophotometric analysis PJ showed
the highest capacity to decrease low density lipoprotein oxidation and
inhibit cellular oxidative stress in macrophages. The rabbit model of
arteriogenic ED demonstrated decreased intracavernous blood flow,
erectile dysfunction, loss of smooth muscle relaxation, decreased
endothelial NOS and neuronal NOS, increased inducible NOS expression,
diffused cavernous fibrosis and increased cavernous levels of the
oxidative product isoprostane 8-epi-prostaglandin F2alpha. Long-term
PJ intake increased intracavernous blood flow, improved erectile
response and smooth muscle relaxation in ED and control groups while
having no significant effect on NOS expression. PJ intake prevented
erectile tissue fibrosis in the ED group. CONCLUSIONS: Arteriogenic ED
accumulates oxidative products in erectile tissue, possibly via an
intrinsic mechanism. Oxidative stress may be of great importance in
the pathophysiology of arteriogenic ED. Antioxidant therapy may be a
useful prophylactic tool for preventing smooth muscle dysfunction and
fibrosis in ED. PMID: 15947695 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

On 10 Dec 2005 10:02:45 -0800, junkmail2869us@yahoo.com wrote:

>OK, some disclaimers/explanation, ahead of my story. I am NOT with the
>Pomegranate Juice industry (those evil bastards!) I am personally quite
>skeptical of miracle cures, herbal nostrums, etc.
>
>All that said, I've been drinking a glass of pomegranate juice a day
>for 2 weeks now, and the results are pretty remarkable. I really want
>to share this with the group.
>
>OK, me: 36, healthy, pretty thin. I drank a fair amount (college-style
>drinking) from 18-29. Moderate social smoker (5 cigs a day at worst)
>for 10 years or so; totally quit for 5 years. Moderate exerciser these
>days.
>
>Anyway, I've had trouble in the ole department for a long time now.
>Just found it very tough to acquire and maintain a good erection since
>24 or so.
>
>Of course, I thought it was "psychological" for years, until Viagra
>came out and the complexity of the erectile process became apparent. As
>far as the "cause" of my problems, some clues but no answers: a
>prominent vein on the right side and a curve to the left (weak vein?).
>Possible slight peyronie's plaque on top side of penis (two urologists
>disagreed about the diagnosis). In retrospect, one thing I've since
>realized: my dick often felt flaccid and cool to the touch during the
>day and had a very pale look to it.
>
>Anyway, Viagra and the rest work pretty well for me, but I didn't want
>to rely on them forever. So I started doing the research. Went looking
>on Pubmed for searches about "cGMP" and "Pde5." Started following some
>recent studies that showed antioxidants helped with ED (oxidation
>damage is now theorized to be a possible contributor to ED). Started
>taking resveratrol and grape seed extract supplements.
>
>Anyway, I came across some studies that Pomegranate Juice may
>SPECIFICALLY help ED (studies below). Pomegranate Juice seems to be a
>very strong antioxidant and to have anti-artheriogenic properties.
>
>So, I started on the stuff, and the results have been damn good. My
>penis now feels warm throughout the entired day. It looks... normal:
>flesh colored, not whitish. Best yet: I can acquire and maintain a very
>nice erection. Not a platonic perfection of one, but a damn good one.
>My penis is also somewhat thicker when erect.
>
>Guys, try this stuff. Try a 4-7 ounce glass of PJ a day, with an
>antioxidant supplement. Obviously try to find PJ with low sugar as
>possible (though, interestingly, the pubmed research showed that
>diabetics could tolerate PJ very well). I'm very curious to see what
>your results are.
>
>
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...1875&query_hl=1
>
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...7695&query_hl=4

junkmail2869us@yahoo.com

2006-01-09, 10:54 am

Hey, some guy, I was just checking the site...

Things are definitely still better. In addition to the pomegranate
juice, I started taking alpha lipoic acid and just yesterday, folic
acid, as antioxidants which are supposed to be good for endothelial
cell rehabilitation (abstracts below).

Things are definitely still better. A had some ugly veins on the right
side of my penis; ugly meaning they didn't look right compared to the
other side veins. Since the PJ and antioxidants, some of those veins
look much, much better, like the other side's veins.

This is, of course, highly unscientific, but my intuition is that those
veins had some kind of artheriosclerotic build up or endothelial damage
from alcohol or past smoking. I am pretty convinced that PJ and the
antioxidant regimen are helping.

Things are still noticeably better than before.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...l=pubmed_docsum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...l=pubmed_docsum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...l=pubmed_docsum

junkmail2869us@yahoo.com

2006-01-09, 10:54 am

junkmail2869us@yahoo.com

2006-01-09, 10:54 am

Some Guy

2006-01-09, 5:52 pm

Thanks for the reply. I am glad to hear you are seeing some continued
benefit. I have noticed increased warmth in the penis during the day
as well; however I cannot be sure it is related to the pomegranate
juice as I am on long-term testosterone replacement and I may be
observing a delayed effect of adjusting the T dose in recent months.
But there did seem to be additional improvement soon after adding the
pomegranate juice. Time will tell. At least the juice tastes good
(but it does have a lot of calories.)

The lipoic acid reference you posted is appreciated. I have been
aware of it's antioxidant activity for quite some time, but I had not
seen a report on a specific endothelial effect until now. Maybe I'll
give that a try at some point.

A word of caution on the folic acid. You may already be aware of
this. It can have some adverse effects of three kinds:

1. Neurological. Direct injection of FA into the brain of lab animals
is neurotroxic. Oral folic acid is not likely to be so, but some
people, including myself, find it makes them very nervous (like too
much caffeine).

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...l=pubmed_DocSum

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...l=pubmed_DocSum

2. The effects on endothelium can be double edged. They used to give
it after angioplasty, but a New England Journal of Medicine study
showed it led to a worse outcome due to increased restenosis or growth
of tissue within the stent. Probably the folate fed the growth of the
endothelial cells, which in that situation is not desirable. But this
risk may not be relevant in situartions other than after angioplasty.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...l=pubmed_docsum

3. It can mask deficiency of B-12.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...l=pubmed_DocSum

Ain't Pub Med wonderful?

Some Guy

On 8 Jan 2006 13:47:16 -0800, junkmail2869us@yahoo.com wrote:

>Hey, some guy, I was just checking the site...
>
>Things are definitely still better. In addition to the pomegranate
>juice, I started taking alpha lipoic acid and just yesterday, folic
>acid, as antioxidants which are supposed to be good for endothelial
>cell rehabilitation (abstracts below).
>
>Things are definitely still better. A had some ugly veins on the right
>side of my penis; ugly meaning they didn't look right compared to the
>other side veins. Since the PJ and antioxidants, some of those veins
>look much, much better, like the other side's veins.
>
>This is, of course, highly unscientific, but my intuition is that those
>veins had some kind of artheriosclerotic build up or endothelial damage
>from alcohol or past smoking. I am pretty convinced that PJ and the
>antioxidant regimen are helping.
>
>Things are still noticeably better than before.
>
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...l=pubmed_docsum
>
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...l=pubmed_docsum
>
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...l=pubmed_docsum

Muerta

2006-01-11, 12:52 am

<junkmail2869us@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1136756836.004102.232710@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...

I wanted to do the juice thing, but the only juice I could find around here
is "Pom", which is trendy, and almost $9.00 for 24 ounces.

That's about $3.00 per day, which, when added to the cost of DIM, multi
vitamins, omega 3, cialis, and flaxseed oil, not to mention prescription
meds, makes a huge chunk of cash going in my gut everyday.

Ignatz's Bricks

2006-01-12, 12:54 am

Muerta wrote:

> I wanted to do the juice thing, but the only juice I could find around here
> is "Pom", which is trendy, and almost $9.00 for 24 ounces.
>
> That's about $3.00 per day . . . .

Muerta, are there any Kroger store in your area? (Web: Kroger.com)

I also found that except for the expensive specialty stores, Pom was the
only brand available locally.

However, Krogers sells the 16 oz bottle for $3.59, the 24 oz bottle for
$4.99 and the 46 oz bottle for $8.99. That comes to 22.4¢ , 20.8¢ or
19.5¢ per ounce depending on the bottle size.

I've been drinking cranberry juice for breakfast and I thought I'd
switch to pomegranate juice for a couple of weeks and see what happened.

Just before Christmas, I tried drinking 8 ozs before breakfast and it
caused me an upset stomach. I quit after the third day. After the
holiday stress, I started back, this time drinking 4 ozs juice in 4 to 6
ozs of water for breakfast and the same again for supper.

This stuff has an extremely strong taste and I feel that one gets a
great placebo effect from just the suggestion of power. I think there
might be a little improvement, too, but can't say for sure. I've
decided to stay with it until mid-February, when my next routine
physical will include a blood test.

Ignatz Bricks

Ignatz's Bricks

2006-01-12, 12:54 am

William Koloff

2006-01-12, 12:54 am

The recommended dose for Pomegranate Juice is 1 Ounce, not a glass full
as some here have been doing. COSTCO has a quart size for about $16.50.
Best price I have seen is from a vitamin and supplement place I use
often www.swansonvitamins.com at $11.99 for a 32 oz. bottle. I have just
ordered Pomegranate Extract capsules at $4.79 for 60 with a dosage of 1
per day to compare to the juice.

Spike

2006-01-12, 12:54 am

Has anyone found a brand with "low sugar"? I tried the regular and just too
much sugar for my T2 to tolerate. Any help would be appreciated.

Spike

<junkmail2869us@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1136756881.874106.294310@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Hey, some guy, I was just checking the site...
>
> Things are definitely still better. In addition to the pomegranate
> juice, I started taking alpha lipoic acid and just yesterday, folic
> acid, as antioxidants which are supposed to be good for endothelial
> cell rehabilitation (abstracts below).
>
> Things are definitely still better. A had some ugly veins on the right
> side of my penis; ugly meaning they didn't look right compared to the
> other side veins. Since the PJ and antioxidants, some of those veins
> look much, much better, like the other side's veins.
>
> This is, of course, highly unscientific, but my intuition is that those
> veins had some kind of artheriosclerotic build up or endothelial damage
> from alcohol or past smoking. I am pretty convinced that PJ and the
> antioxidant regimen are helping.
>
> Things are still noticeably better than before.
>
>
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...l=pubmed_docsum
>
>
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...l=pubmed_docsum
>
>
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...l=pubmed_docsum
>

Muerta

2006-01-16, 1:09 pm

"Ignatz's Bricks" <IgnatzBricks@aol.com.no.net> wrote in message
news:43C59D71.5090807@aol.com.no.net...
> Muerta wrote:
>
>
> Muerta, are there any Kroger store in your area? (Web: Kroger.com)
>
> I also found that except for the expensive specialty stores, Pom was the
> only brand available locally.
>
> However, Krogers sells the 16 oz bottle for $3.59, the 24 oz bottle for
> $4.99 and the 46 oz bottle for $8.99. That comes to 22.4¢ , 20.8¢ or
> 19.5¢ per ounce depending on the bottle size.
>
> I've been drinking cranberry juice for breakfast and I thought I'd switch
> to pomegranate juice for a couple of weeks and see what happened.
>
> Just before Christmas, I tried drinking 8 ozs before breakfast and it
> caused me an upset stomach. I quit after the third day. After the
> holiday stress, I started back, this time drinking 4 ozs juice in 4 to 6
> ozs of water for breakfast and the same again for supper.
>
> This stuff has an extremely strong taste and I feel that one gets a great
> placebo effect from just the suggestion of power. I think there might be
> a little improvement, too, but can't say for sure. I've decided to stay
> with it until mid-February, when my next routine physical will include a
> blood test.
>
> Ignatz Bricks

Ya know, no Krogers, but a red-headed stepchild called, "Food for Less",
which they own. I'll check there soon.

Thanks for the tip, IB.

William Koloff

2006-01-16, 1:09 pm

If it is real pomegranate juice, there is no added sugar. There is just
the natural fruit sugar.

Wanderer

2006-01-16, 1:09 pm

On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:11:16 -0500, William Koloff wrote
(in message <27101-43C59EA4-30@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> ):

> The recommended dose for Pomegranate Juice is 1 Ounce, not a glass full
> as some here have been doing. COSTCO has a quart size for about $16.50.
> Best price I have seen is from a vitamin and supplement place I use
> often www.swansonvitamins.com at $11.99 for a 32 oz. bottle. I have just
> ordered Pomegranate Extract capsules at $4.79 for 60 with a dosage of 1
> per day to compare to the juice.
>

Recommended by who? Where? Thanks.

Wanderer

William Koloff

2006-01-16, 1:09 pm

Look on the bottle. Look at all of the material on the internet. There
are thousands of sites.

Wanderer

2006-01-16, 1:09 pm

On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 11:40:16 -0500, William Koloff wrote
(in message <12633-43CA7AF0-686@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> ):

> Look on the bottle. Look at all of the material on the internet. There
> are thousands of sites.
>

Then you should be able to refer to a specific source for your information.
When you refer to a "recommended" dose of something, you should be able to
provide the source for the recommendation. Otherwise, it's just noise.

Wanderer

William Koloff

2006-01-16, 1:09 pm

I have used three different brands of juice and on each one the label
says "Recommended dosage 1 oz daily preferably with meals". The current
brand I am using is Naturally Pomegranate from
COSTCO. There are cheaper brands on the market that have been
significantly diluted with water and ,of course, directions could be
different. I use only the better products. I did not think we had to
present citations for information we pass on in good will to the group
or trot out our multiple degrees to impress others.

Ignatz's Bricks

2006-01-23, 1:47 am

> William Koloff wrote:
>

Wanderer asks:
[vbcol=seagreen]
> Recommended by who? Where? Thanks.
>

I wondered the same thing. In the apparently best documented published
tests (on Medline and just googled "pomegranate") that I could find,
where the dose was given, it usually was between 7 and 10 ounces or the
metric equivalent. Many of the tests failed to mention the dose and
seemed to me to be not too scientific. I ignored those tests and those
that seemed to me to simply be advertisements for pomegranate juice.

The bottle from Pom does not make a recommendation as to dosage.

Ignatz's Bricks

Wanderer

2006-01-23, 1:47 am

On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 23:06:06 -0500, William Koloff wrote
(in message <20330-43CB1BAE-1033@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> ):

> I have used three different brands of juice and on each one the label
> says "Recommended dosage 1 oz daily preferably with meals". The current
> brand I am using is Naturally Pomegranate from
> COSTCO. There are cheaper brands on the market that have been
> significantly diluted with water and ,of course, directions could be
> different. I use only the better products. I did not think we had to
> present citations for information we pass on in good will to the group
> or trot out our multiple degrees to impress others.
>

William, you're certainly under no obligation to quote sources for the
recommendations you pass along... but I think you'd agree, it helps to know
the source when evaluating the credibility of a statement or claim. If an
anonymous person in this newsgroup tells you that 1000 mg is the recommended
dose of Viagra, I think you'd want to know where that information was coming
from before doing yourself serious bodily harm by following the advice.

I happen to have a bottle of POM in the refrigerator. I think POM is probably
the best known marketer of pure pomegranate juice in operation right now.
They list 8 ounces as the serving size for the juice. So I guess we can
conclude that there isn't a generally agreed-upon recommendation concerning
how much to drink. I also recall that the studies that were done on
pomegranate juice and heart health used substantially larger amounts. You can
find a link to one of them here, also recommending 8 oz a day:

http://www.geocities.com/jcpriz/riovida4.html

One possible explanation for the 1 ounce/8 ounce issue is that the usual
thieves have begun marketing concentrates and extracts of pomegranate juice
at much higher prices, and these may come with the 1-ounce recommendation
that you refer to. Myself, I'll stick with the pure, delicious juice, which
by the way, makes one hell of a martini, one part pomegranate juice to one
part vodka. Cheers.

Wanderer

William Koloff

2006-01-23, 1:47 am

There is a simple solution . Just go to COSTCO.Look at a bottle of
Naturally Pomegranate. Read the label for dosage
and post what you find here. Not all PJ is the same.

Wanderer

2006-01-23, 1:47 am

On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 2:07:03 -0500, William Koloff wrote
(in message <27101-43CC9797-339@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> ):

> There is a simple solution . Just go to COSTCO.Look at a bottle of
> Naturally Pomegranate. Read the label for dosage
> and post what you find here. Not all PJ is the same.
>

I hate to break it to you William, but the stuff you are drinking is not pure
pomegranate juice. It's a concentrate that has been tinkered with by
marketers so they can charge more for it ($17.89). Here's what's in the stuff
you're drinking:

Supplement Facts:
Serving Size: 1 fl. oz. (33 ml)
Servings Per Container: 32
Amount Per Serving - % Daily Value*:
Proprietary Blend 250 mg - **, Consisting of PomElla Pomegranate (Punica
granatum) (fruit extract & seed) extract standardized to contain 30%
Punicalagin & 3-5% Ellagic Acid, and a_Proprietary Blend of other
Ellagitannin Complexes. Pomegranate (Punica Granatum) Seed Extract.

By the way, NO one supervises or authenticates this "standardized extract"
process, and consumers studies have shown that the actual amounts of
antioxidants vary wildly from product to product, all claiming to have a
"standardized" amount.

No scientific studies have been conducted with this artificially created
concoction you are touting. The studies used 8 ounces and up per day of pure
pomegranate juice.

Anyway, I've had enough of this weary thread. I'm sure you'll want to have
the last word, so be my guest.

Wanderer

LMac

2006-01-23, 1:47 am

Ignatz's Bricks wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Wanderer asks:
>
>
> I wondered the same thing. In the apparently best documented published
> tests (on Medline and just googled "pomegranate") that I could find,
> where the dose was given, it usually was between 7 and 10 ounces or the
> metric equivalent. Many of the tests failed to mention the dose and
> seemed to me to be not too scientific. I ignored those tests and those
> that seemed to me to simply be advertisements for pomegranate juice.
>
> The bottle from Pom does not make a recommendation as to dosage.
>
> Ignatz's Bricks

Good grief guys,
This has come a long way since I was nine years old and we used to
get into pmoegranate fights -- throwing broken open pomegranates at each
other. Caused our moms much distress trying to wash the stains from our
clothes.
After watching this thread develop, I think the old fashioned
fights were more fun. And probably more educational. {{;-)

--
LMac

William Koloff

2006-01-23, 1:47 am

I agree. The issue was pointless since all one had to do was read a
label.

William Koloff

2006-01-23, 1:47 am

Thank you for showing the serving size is 1 ounce. Most of the PJ on the
market is made from concentrate. Bottlers buy it in 55 gallon drums, add
water and bottle it with various additions. The issue is resolved on my
part.

Dick

2006-01-23, 1:47 am

The serving size merely advises of the amount of the content upon
which the nutritional data is based. It does not appear to be
necessarily the amount which might be useful for a particular purpose.
It is there to help consumer compare the nutritional values for
different products. For example, the serving size on a bag of potato
chips might be 4 oz, but that hardly means that 4 oz has any
particular value for a particular health purpose.

On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 15:41:42 -0500, wilkol@webtv.net (William Koloff)
wrote:

>Thank you for showing the serving size is 1 ounce. Most of the PJ on the
>market is made from concentrate. Bottlers buy it in 55 gallon drums, add
>water and bottle it with various additions. The issue is resolved on my
>part.

Wanderer

2006-01-23, 1:47 am

On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 15:41:42 -0500, William Koloff wrote
(in message <20331-43CD5686-345@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> ):

> Thank you for showing the serving size is 1 ounce. Most of the PJ on the
> market is made from concentrate. Bottlers buy it in 55 gallon drums, add
> water and bottle it with various additions. The issue is resolved on my
> part.
>

Predictably moronic response. Sorry! I said you could have the last word.
This time I really mean it... you are right, for morons, serving size is 1
ounce. Plonk.

Wanderer

Spike

2006-01-23, 1:47 am

You know, what a discussion. Has anybody have any input as to any results
or improvement with the partaking of this juice. I really don't care if you
have overdosed on it or not. Does it Help?

Spike

"Wanderer" <unlikely@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:0001HW.BFF43D1500284E6FF0284550@news.verizon.net...
> On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 15:41:42 -0500, William Koloff wrote
> (in message <20331-43CD5686-345@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> ):
>
>
> Predictably moronic response. Sorry! I said you could have the last word.
> This time I really mean it... you are right, for morons, serving size is 1
> ounce. Plonk.
>
> Wanderer
>

forrest.schmidt@gmail.com

2006-01-23, 1:47 am

After spending years in medical research on standardized botanical
extracts, I can say there is quite a bit of valid science behind it.
That said, I have tried and inspected (and done some preliminary
research) on Naturally Pomegranate supplement and my thought is this:
By adding a standardized extract of pomegranate (standardized to
punicalagin, reported to be the main antioxidant thought to be
responsible for the juice's antioxidant activity), the supplement
achieves the polyphenol content and antoxidant activity in one ounce
that the refrigerated, store-bought juice does in 8 ounces. Not all
pomegranate juices are the same, some have higher and lower amounts of
natural antioxidants, but to me the fact that Naturally Pomegranate IS
standardized to the antioxidants native to pomegranate gives it more
validity when claiming a health benefit than just plain juice (where
juice in the food industry antioxidant claims do not have to be backed
up by a specific amount). This seems to me to be a case where dietary
supplements have a leg up on the parallel food products that claim the
health benefits of the source.

In any case, there are quite a few recent published studies that show
that pomegranate helps with prostate, and it is commonly thought to be
the unique antioxidant content (and not the sugar or ubiquitous
compounds like vitamin C) that causes this, or else every other fruit
juice would be found to help with the prostate too. It seems that
pomegranate, by virtue of its diversity and concentration of
polyphenols, particularly punicalagins, offers health benefits that can
be received (cardiovascular, oxidative stress) through the antioxidant
mechanism as well as other mechanisms where a compound acts
specifically on say, an enzyme.