| Wanderer 2005-09-23, 5:46 pm |
| On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 1:19:49 -0400, Mungy@HorribleISP.gov wrote
(in message <2mc7i1dic5cnnr6fh5rjtdvphqp7i8i716@4ax.com> ):
> Yohimbine is a generic pharmaceutical produced in 5.4mg tablets and
> also available as Yohimbe (probably the Kilosports substance above) at
> the health food store. I have no idea as to the relationship (dosage
> etc) between the two. I use the pharmaceutical grade tablets which
> incidentally are cheaper.
>
> The prescribing information for Yohimbine treats it like an antibiotic
> (three tabs a day for six weeks or similar) and is ridiculous. Similar
> to the PDE-5 suppressors (Viagra, Cialis, and Levitra) Yohimbine is
> something you take just before sex, usually about a half-hour before
> and with some sort of organic acid (like OJ). I'm not sure the latter
> is really essential but it can't hurt. How much you take and its
> effect will depend on you. Side effects are also dose related and vary
> with the person.
>
> On its own Y has a mild effect on maintenance of erections but its
> real use is for other things:
>
> - it potentiates the PDE-5 suppressors meaning that it will increase
> (sometimes doubling) the normal effect. If you usually take 50mg of
> Viagra you can reduce the dose to 25mg and take Y; you'll have the
> same effect. Given the relative cost of Y this can significantly
> reduce your expenditure.
>
> - it decreases the refractory time. In dogs in experiments in Japan it
> actually eliminated the refractory time. In humans it's not quite so
> good but anecdotal accounts support a significant reduction in time at
> higher doses.
>
> - it reduces the time to orgasm (obviously not good for those with
> PE). How much depends on you, your normal time, and the dose.
>
> - (this one is hard to describe). It increases the pleasure of sex; it
> produces the feeling (tingling) of just before orgasm throughout the
> erection time and increases (considerably) the pleasure of orgasm. The
> feeling (tingling) seems to come from much deeper within the body and
> seems to last for much longer. All this is anecdotal and personal
> experience of course.
>
> On the side effect front:
>
> - it increases blood pressure up to about 20mg. Then it switches and
> decreases BP. Do not take if you have high blood pressure already.
> OTOH the increase may be cancelled out by the decrease from the PDE-5
> suppressor. You have to experiment.
>
> - it causes anxiety and even panic attacks. This is very dose
> dependent but if you're subject to anxiety attacks, it may exacerbate
> them. Keep Valium on hand to counter the effect. May cause insomnia.
>
> - it causes your body to lose heat regulation. You go suddenly very
> cold and then ten minutes later you're sweating like a pig. Personally
> I can tell if the dose is working if this heat regulation loss
> happens. People who don't experience this effect will probably not be
> helped by Y. The heat regulation loss passes after half an hour or so
> and becomes less with continued use. Somehow heat regulation and
> orgasm are connected; personally I have to sweat in the small of my
> back to orgasm (peculiar, eh?).
>
> - all side effects disappear as the drug wears off (a couple of
> hours). This is supported by the studies on Medline.
>
> I have no knowledge of any weight loss use. First time I've heard it
> even mentioned.
>
> Y only helps about 30% of males; for the others it's like taking
> aspirin. This and the fact that it's generic and has been around since
> the 1930's and that a version is available in the health food stores
> makes urologists reluctant to prescribe it. One even told me it was a
> placebo; he was wrong.
>
> It's cheap. Push your MD to prescribe a 30 day supply (just smile when
> he says that's 90 tablets) and then start with 1/4 tablet one half
> hour before sex. If that doesn't work increase to 1/2 and then one. If
> nothing happens you've wasted your money (not very much). Personally I
> wouldn't go above 1 tab per sex act (or per day). Use with a PDE-5
> suppressor (at reduced dosage).
Thanks for an excellent report on Yohimbine. Many of the effects you describe
are not commonly known, but I can attest to them based on my own experience.
I first tried Yohimbine in my late twenties. Actually, it was the herb, the
bark. I boiled up a whole bunch of it for hours and made a truly foul tasting
tea which I then consumed quarts of before the effects kicked in. I mjust
have taken a whopping overdose, which produced an anxiety attack, racing
heartbeat, alternate sweats and teeth chattering, shivering focused in the
small of my back... and through it all, a colossal unbendable erection. My
partner at the time was a young lady who didn't have the sense to run out of
the house. She wound up on the receiving end of a merciless pounding. This
despite the fact that I was convinced I would have a heart attack any minute.
When I finally came, you're right -- it was the most intensely pleasurable
orgasm I can remember... a whole body orgasm. I was trembling like a leaf
afterwards. Normally, I have a very long refractory time... but with the Y, I
was hard again literally in a minute or two. Something about the drug makes
the sex more driven too... at least for me. I am normally a very considerate
lover, but that night my body seemed to be in control.
The after effects were so awful, I didn't take the stuff again for about
thirty years -- which happens to be about three weeks ago. I have a
pharmaceutical grade capsule that delivers about 500 mg of the pure stuff.
This produces most of the same pleasurable tingling effects and powerful
orgasm without the anxiety, sweats, etc. Based on the information you have
provided I will experiment further. You make a great point: in combination
with Cialis or Viagra, the BP-raising effects of Y would probably be
counteracted. Thanks again for your post.
Wanderer
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