Impotence Support - Yohimbine

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Yohimbine

Mikity

2005-09-23, 5:45 pm

Hi, does anyone know a source to purchase Yohimbine, preferably in the UK
or Europe? Thanks.

raimund_lullus@yahoo.de

2005-09-23, 5:45 pm

In Germany you can get it as a prescription med:
"Yohimbin Spiegel" made by Solvay, 5.4 mg tabs , quite cheap.
It is considered obsolete and because of the side effects most
practitioners might be reluctant to prescribe it.
When I lived in the UK, I had no problem to order it from Kilosports
(Arizona). This was 2 years ago and at that time they had 3 mg caps and
the substance in bulk (3 g per package)

Mikity

2005-09-23, 5:46 pm

On 8 Sep 2005 02:32:06 -0700, raimund_lullus@yahoo.de wrote:

> In Germany you can get it as a prescription med:
> "Yohimbin Spiegel" made by Solvay, 5.4 mg tabs , quite cheap.
> It is considered obsolete and because of the side effects most
> practitioners might be reluctant to prescribe it.

Do you mean it has now been supplanted by Viagra etc? I was considering
taking it as a daily supplement, which obviously doesn't work with any of
the PDE5 blockers.

> When I lived in the UK, I had no problem to order it from Kilosports
> (Arizona). This was 2 years ago and at that time they had 3 mg caps and
> the substance in bulk (3 g per package)

It is also used for weight loss, right?

Thanks for your reply.

Mikity

2005-09-23, 5:46 pm

Mikity wrote:
> On 8 Sep 2005 02:32:06 -0700, raimund_lullus@yahoo.de wrote:
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> Do you mean it has now been supplanted by Viagra etc? I was considering
> taking it as a daily supplement, which obviously doesn't work with any of
> the PDE5 blockers.
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> It is also used for weight loss, right?
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> Thanks for your reply.
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> Mikity

During last Uro visit I specifically asked about Yohimbine. Answer was
that he had better ED solutions now than Yohimbine. He said that last
use by any of his patients was about three years ago. Did not discuss
other possible reasons for Yohimbine.

Mungy@HorribleISP.gov

2005-09-23, 5:46 pm

PJ <pj4380@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Mikity wrote:
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>During last Uro visit I specifically asked about Yohimbine. Answer was
>that he had better ED solutions now than Yohimbine. He said that last
>use by any of his patients was about three years ago. Did not discuss
>other possible reasons for Yohimbine.

See:

http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/yohimb.htm

or preferably do a google search on it for both websites and many
postings going back 5 years on this group;

or if you want to spend a few days wading through the scientific
literature (at least abstracts) search Medline.

Yohimbine is a generic pharmaceutical produced in 5.4mg tablets and
also available as Yohimbe (probably the Kilosports substance above) at
the health food store. I have no idea as to the relationship (dosage
etc) between the two. I use the pharmaceutical grade tablets which
incidentally are cheaper.

The prescribing information for Yohimbine treats it like an antibiotic
(three tabs a day for six weeks or similar) and is ridiculous. Similar
to the PDE-5 suppressors (Viagra, Cialis, and Levitra) Yohimbine is
something you take just before sex, usually about a half-hour before
and with some sort of organic acid (like OJ). I'm not sure the latter
is really essential but it can't hurt. How much you take and its
effect will depend on you. Side effects are also dose related and vary
with the person.

On its own Y has a mild effect on maintenance of erections but its
real use is for other things:

- it potentiates the PDE-5 suppressors meaning that it will increase
(sometimes doubling) the normal effect. If you usually take 50mg of
Viagra you can reduce the dose to 25mg and take Y; you'll have the
same effect. Given the relative cost of Y this can significantly
reduce your expenditure.

- it decreases the refractory time. In dogs in experiments in Japan it
actually eliminated the refractory time. In humans it's not quite so
good but anecdotal accounts support a significant reduction in time at
higher doses.

- it reduces the time to orgasm (obviously not good for those with
PE). How much depends on you, your normal time, and the dose.

- (this one is hard to describe). It increases the pleasure of sex; it
produces the feeling (tingling) of just before orgasm throughout the
erection time and increases (considerably) the pleasure of orgasm. The
feeling (tingling) seems to come from much deeper within the body and
seems to last for much longer. All this is anecdotal and personal
experience of course.

On the side effect front:

- it increases blood pressure up to about 20mg. Then it switches and
decreases BP. Do not take if you have high blood pressure already.
OTOH the increase may be cancelled out by the decrease from the PDE-5
suppressor. You have to experiment.

- it causes anxiety and even panic attacks. This is very dose
dependent but if you're subject to anxiety attacks, it may exacerbate
them. Keep Valium on hand to counter the effect. May cause insomnia.

- it causes your body to lose heat regulation. You go suddenly very
cold and then ten minutes later you're sweating like a pig. Personally
I can tell if the dose is working if this heat regulation loss
happens. People who don't experience this effect will probably not be
helped by Y. The heat regulation loss passes after half an hour or so
and becomes less with continued use. Somehow heat regulation and
orgasm are connected; personally I have to sweat in the small of my
back to orgasm (peculiar, eh?).

- all side effects disappear as the drug wears off (a couple of
hours). This is supported by the studies on Medline.

I have no knowledge of any weight loss use. First time I've heard it
even mentioned.

Y only helps about 30% of males; for the others it's like taking
aspirin. This and the fact that it's generic and has been around since
the 1930's and that a version is available in the health food stores
makes urologists reluctant to prescribe it. One even told me it was a
placebo; he was wrong.

It's cheap. Push your MD to prescribe a 30 day supply (just smile when
he says that's 90 tablets) and then start with 1/4 tablet one half
hour before sex. If that doesn't work increase to 1/2 and then one. If
nothing happens you've wasted your money (not very much). Personally I
wouldn't go above 1 tab per sex act (or per day). Use with a PDE-5
suppressor (at reduced dosage).

Bob-S

2005-09-23, 5:46 pm

On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 05:19:49 GMT, Mungy@HorribleISP.gov wrote:
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>. The heat regulation loss passes after half an hour or so
>and becomes less with continued use. Somehow heat regulation and
>orgasm are connected; personally I have to sweat in the small of my
>back to orgasm (peculiar, eh?).

Thanks for an accurate and thorough report on Yohimbine.
I guess not many people use it. The pharmacist at Walmart said I was the only
customer for the product. I have since bought it at Drugstore.com.
BulkNutrition is another source I tried.

The sweating in the small of your back that you mentioned is not so unusual.
My wife does that also. I use it as an indicator of whether she is faking it
or not. (Probably not all that accurate, though.)

My usual dose is (2) 5.4mg pills about 1/2 hour prior. I can usually feel
slight nausea as an indicator that it is working. On the occasions where I
need a booster, say 1 hour later, 2 more pills usually causes the temperature
problems. I start visibly shivering, teeth chattering.
I take it mostly to counter the anorgasmia that Cialis causes.
Yohimbine taken without Viagra or Cialis just produces the side effects for
me.

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Peabody

2005-09-23, 5:46 pm

Mungy@HorribleISP.gov says...

> Yohimbine is a generic pharmaceutical produced in 5.4mg
> tablets and also available as Yohimbe (probably the
> Kilosports substance above) at the health food store. I
> have no idea as to the relationship (dosage etc) between
> the two. I use the pharmaceutical grade tablets which
> incidentally are cheaper.

I have something called "Yohimbine HCL" made by 1Fast400,
and I think I got it from Bulk Nutrition. The capsules are
2.5 mg each. Do you think this is the same thing as you are
describing? The HCL version isn't something different?

> Similar to the PDE-5 suppressors (Viagra, Cialis, and
> Levitra) Yohimbine is something you take just before
> sex, usually about a half-hour before and with some sort
> of organic acid (like OJ). I'm not sure the latter is
> really essential but it can't hurt.

The OJ is to prevent indigestion?

> On the side effect front:

> - it increases blood pressure up to about 20mg. Then it
> switches and decreases BP. Do not take if you have high
> blood pressure already. OTOH the increase may be
> cancelled out by the decrease from the PDE-5 suppressor.
> You have to experiment.

I have high blood pressure, controlled pretty well by meds.
And, you know, a 20-point boost for a couple hours is not
really a big deal. I get more than that just walking into
my doctor's office.

> - it causes anxiety and even panic attacks. This is very
> dose dependent but if you're subject to anxiety attacks,
> it may exacerbate them. Keep Valium on hand to counter
> the effect. May cause insomnia.

This also wears off after a couple hours?

Frankly, my memory is a bit vague as to what happened when I
tried this stuff, but I think the main problem may have been
anxiety. Maybe I should try it again.

Mungy@HorribleISP.gov

2005-09-23, 5:46 pm

Peabody <waybackKILLSPAM44@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Mungy@HorribleISP.gov says...

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>I have something called "Yohimbine HCL" made by 1Fast400,
>and I think I got it from Bulk Nutrition. The capsules are
>2.5 mg each. Do you think this is the same thing as you are
>describing? The HCL version isn't something different?

HCL is "hydrochloride". The RxList reference I gave

(http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/yohimb.htm)

is for Yohimbine Hydrochloride. Yes it's the same but presuming the
2.5mg is the active ingredient your capsules are half the qty in the
pharmaceutical grade tablets (5.4mg).

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>The OJ is to prevent indigestion?

I doubt it. I think it's to speed up the absorption.

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>I have high blood pressure, controlled pretty well by meds.
>And, you know, a 20-point boost for a couple hours is not
>really a big deal. I get more than that just walking into
>my doctor's office.

Go gently then. One of the experimenters on this group a couple of
years ago had high BP and he couldn't take Y because of the
significant exacerbation of his condition.

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>This also wears off after a couple hours?

What? Anxiety? Anxiety attacks in my limited experience are not more
than a horrifying half hour or so even with no intervention. Less time
than the duration of the beneficial effects. Valium will immediately
(couple of minutes) cure the problem. Insomnia I suppose is a very
mild anxiety attack. Same cure. For me these attacks only occur if I
take more than 1 tablet at a time and even then not all the time. All
the literature says that there are no good or bad long lasting
effects. My experience too.

>Frankly, my memory is a bit vague as to what happened when I
>tried this stuff, but I think the main problem may have been
>anxiety. Maybe I should try it again.

John O'Brien

2005-09-23, 5:46 pm

> to the PDE-5 suppressors (Viagra, Cialis, and Levitra) Yohimbine is
> something you take just before sex, usually about a half-hour before
> and with some sort of organic acid (like OJ). I'm not sure the latter
> is really essential but it can't hurt. How much you take and its
> effect will depend on you. Side effects are also dose related and vary
> with the person.
I still use it to good effects. As for the organic acid, it's not necessary
IF
you are taking the prescription but is necessary if using the OTC stuff.

It's not a good idea to take more than one during a short period of time,
like and hour or so. Will make you really nauseous and probably vomit,
like I did a couple times.
John