Impotence Support - Osbon Erecaid Problem

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Osbon Erecaid Problem

Herb@abc.com

2005-06-01, 10:47 pm

My pump seems to work well, but I often have the following problem:

I loose my erection after about 5 minutes . I use the same rings,
lubricant, etc. The problem does not appear to be caused by
stretching of the rings, or using the wrong combination, since most of
the time it works. I also use the same technique of putting on the
rings every time .

I guess I could go for tighter tension rings, but I'd like to avoid
that if possble. The rings are quite uncomfortable as is.

By the way, in case you are interested, the largest, most
concentrated, high power shot of TRIMIX administer by Dr. Goldstein's
nurse doesn't work. Either does V, C, or L

I'm 69 years old, go to gym, bike, ski , non smoker in excellent shape
for my age. I take STATINS, HBP medications, and SSRIs which surely
cause my ED.

Any suggestions would be appreciated

Herb

JimBob

2005-06-01, 10:47 pm

I am in your age range and have used the Osbon Erecaid Esteem with good
success. I have found that proper final placement of the ring (I use
the pink, high tension one) is important. The ring should not catch
any part of your scrotum as that serves to reduce the tension around the
penis and also causes some discomfort (pain). You might also call
Osbon's 800 number for further assistance. Properly used, the Osbon
gives one a good old "high school size" result.

Herb@abc.com wrote:
> My pump seems to work well, but I often have the following problem:
>
> I loose my erection after about 5 minutes . I use the same rings,
> lubricant, etc. The problem does not appear to be caused by
> stretching of the rings, or using the wrong combination, since most of
> the time it works. I also use the same technique of putting on the
> rings every time .
>
> I guess I could go for tighter tension rings, but I'd like to avoid
> that if possble. The rings are quite uncomfortable as is.
>
> By the way, in case you are interested, the largest, most
> concentrated, high power shot of TRIMIX administer by Dr. Goldstein's
> nurse doesn't work. Either does V, C, or L
>
> I'm 69 years old, go to gym, bike, ski , non smoker in excellent shape
> for my age. I take STATINS, HBP medications, and SSRIs which surely
> cause my ED.
>
> Any suggestions would be appreciated
>
> Herb

Herb@abc.com

2005-06-02, 11:47 am

JimBob

Thanks a lot for your advice. Good thing to look at. Maybe a small
part of the scrotum IS getting caught.

I'll give Osbon a call.

Thanks again

Herb

On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 20:02:22 -0700, JimBob <JBW@freshsushi.com> wrote:

>I am in your age range and have used the Osbon Erecaid Esteem with good
>success. I have found that proper final placement of the ring (I use
>the pink, high tension one) is important. The ring should not catch
>any part of your scrotum as that serves to reduce the tension around the
>penis and also causes some discomfort (pain). You might also call
>Osbon's 800 number for further assistance. Properly used, the Osbon
>gives one a good old "high school size" result.
>

avocet

2005-06-06, 5:47 pm

Herb,

With vacuum pumping, consistency is the key. If you only use your pump to
obtain a sexual erection, you are missing out on the long-term benefit of
regular pumping for the vascular exercise of it. Although none of the
erectile drugs worked for you in the past, they may begin to work after some
months of regular pumping.

Jim

<Herb@abc.com> wrote in message
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> JimBob
>
> Thanks a lot for your advice. Good thing to look at. Maybe a small
> part of the scrotum IS getting caught.
>
> I'll give Osbon a call.
>
> Thanks again
>
> Herb
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 20:02:22 -0700, JimBob <JBW@freshsushi.com> wrote:
>
>

Slug

2005-06-10, 10:48 pm

I used the pump for a long time when married, but now I am a widower
and age 69. After a radical prostectomy my ED has been worse. For
whatever reason I hate that pump now. It is too bulky and the rings
hurt me too much when they finally go on. There is no way that I can
use it in spontaneous sex, if I am ever that lucky. I don't think that
using it to "exericise" is proven to be of help to someone like myself
with nerve damage and probably blood circulation problems. Once in
awhile Cialis seems to bring a weak sort of erection and I have bought
a small bungee cord-like toy that ties around the penis. I can use it
on a penis gotten hard with the pump or Cialis, or both and it seems to
maintain the erection.

For me, the answer would be a top-of-the-line pump implanted into the
scrotum and penis. Those who have them seem to swear by their good
work. My urologist said he would not do the operation because there are
still some signs of cancer with a PSA of 3.0 after about 3 years. Also,
he says the operation can be the cause of infection. Furthermore it can
shorten the penis. (after the prostectomy, erect it lost an inch and is
down to 5" now.Not erect, all I see is the head peeking out from the
scrotum!)

With all that I am leaning towards saying so what? I will probably die
of prostate cancer or something else sooner or later anyway and it
would be a lot better living now to have the ability to obtain an
erection without a lot of hassle.

Some people, including a sex therepist, I go to, try to convince me
that ED is not the problem. First I have to find a woman and then we
can make love without my obtaining an erection We can have orgasmic sex
even better and satisfy the woman better. I don't know about that. That
does not seem to be CW (conventional wisdom) , especially among women.

This is not just another rant. I would like to hear other's ideas on
the issues that have been raised in this email, if you would. That's
the best way I know to find some answers and I need them. Pretty soon I
will celebrate my 70th birthday and about three years with no sex at
all. I was thinking of hiring an expensive call girl for the night or
weekend and just explain the situation and tell her that I am depending
on her to make me happy for one weekend at least.

Oh yeah, I have depression and take Effexor which works pretty good,
except in restoring confidence and self esteem.

Bye now, George.

Mungy@HorribleISP.gov

2005-06-11, 8:50 am

"Slug" <ALottoWin@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I used the pump for a long time when married, but now I am a widower
>and age 69. After a radical prostectomy my ED has been worse. For
>whatever reason I hate that pump now. It is too bulky and the rings
>hurt me too much when they finally go on. There is no way that I can
>use it in spontaneous sex, if I am ever that lucky. I don't think that
>using it to "exericise" is proven to be of help to someone like myself
>with nerve damage and probably blood circulation problems. Once in
>awhile Cialis seems to bring a weak sort of erection and I have bought
>a small bungee cord-like toy that ties around the penis. I can use it
>on a penis gotten hard with the pump or Cialis, or both and it seems to
>maintain the erection.

>For me, the answer would be a top-of-the-line pump implanted into the
>scrotum and penis. Those who have them seem to swear by their good
>work. My urologist said he would not do the operation because there are
>still some signs of cancer with a PSA of 3.0 after about 3 years. Also,
>he says the operation can be the cause of infection. Furthermore it can
>shorten the penis. (after the prostectomy, erect it lost an inch and is
>down to 5" now.Not erect, all I see is the head peeking out from the
>scrotum!)

>With all that I am leaning towards saying so what? I will probably die
>of prostate cancer or something else sooner or later anyway and it
>would be a lot better living now to have the ability to obtain an
>erection without a lot of hassle.

Never used a pump and still have my prostate with a PSA of around 0.4
so I can't comment on any of that.

[paragraph re-sequenced]
>Oh yeah, I have depression and take Effexor which works pretty good,
>except in restoring confidence and self esteem.

While Effexor is not officially classified as an SSRI it does much of
the same thing in inhibiting the re-uptake of serotonin. See:

http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/venlafax_ad.htm

Note particularly the levels of impotence in the various tables
presented in the "adverse events" sections. In one particular table
they run to 10%. Based on anecdotal evidence especially in this NG,
all AD's except Wellbutrin and the MAO inhibitors are killers of
erections and libido. Have you discussed substituting another AD with
your MD?

In reading the reference page you should also note some of the other
side effects with this drug.

>Some people, including a sex therepist, I go to, try to convince me
>that ED is not the problem. First I have to find a woman and then we
>can make love without my obtaining an erection We can have orgasmic sex
>even better and satisfy the woman better. I don't know about that. That
>does not seem to be CW (conventional wisdom) , especially among women.

Sounds very PC (and wrong) to me but not quite for the reasons you
advance.

>This is not just another rant. I would like to hear other's ideas on
>the issues that have been raised in this email, if you would. That's
>the best way I know to find some answers and I need them. Pretty soon I
>will celebrate my 70th birthday and about three years with no sex at
>all. I was thinking of hiring an expensive call girl for the night or
>weekend and just explain the situation and tell her that I am depending
>on her to make me happy for one weekend at least.

If you don't use hookers regularly (and you wouldn't ask the question
if you did) I think you'll be disappointed especially if you're in the
US. If you want to take a trip to Thailand or even Mexico and rent a
girl for a week or so you might have better luck (my opinion anyway).

c palmer

2005-06-11, 8:50 am

i have a osborn erecaid that i used after i had my radical prostectomy.
i'm two years post op and can have an erection without any kind of ED
drugs.

given the fact that my prostate gland was at least twice the size of a
normal prostate, i'm sure that there was bruising of the erectile
nerves. but my logic is as follows:

if you stopped breathing and/or your heart stopped beating, what takes
place? well, the first thing you are asking is.... duh....that's a dumb
question. but is it???

let's take it in steps and see what follows. it obvious that you can
breathe on your own. you have done it all your life. the same is true
with your heart. but you can't now.

next, somebody steps in and does what your body can't do normally. we
call it CPR. so, you are laying there not doing normal body functions
and those natural processes are being taken over by artificial means.

later, you are ok and you resume your own bodily functions of beating
and breathing.

is the erection process that much different? i place it on the same
plane as what i just described. i was having erections prior to the
surgery without help and after surgery i was looking at a limp noodle.
so, i did to it what CPR was to the lungs and heart. by using the
pump, i was able to have an erection. it also pulled fresh oxygenated
blood into the organ as well as expanded the sinousoids and the corpora
cavernosa used in the erection process. i will tell you that the first
few times after surgery, it hurt like hell because they had not been
expanded for awhile, and it is like being bed ridden and trying to walk
again.

by not giving up and keeping up the pump method several times a day, i
was able to produce the same situation of what my body did. and over
time, my body took over it's own actions again.

now, someone can say, "well, isn't that what the ED drugs are suppose to
do?"

my answer would be that - the ED drugs
are a phospodiesterase inhibitor. it is the type 5 phosphodiesterase
that causes one to lose their erection. basically, one has to have to
stimulation which is brought on by nerve endings in the penis the emit
nitrous oxide to start the blood flow filling up the penis and it
triggers the cyclic GMP which causes the erection to happen. how much
cyclic GMP will determine how strong your erection is and how long it
will last. it is the "on switch" so to speak. the type 5
phosphodiesterase is the "off switch".

the ED drugs blocks the action of the type 5 phosphodiesterase from
doing it's function and therefore erections are stronger and longer
lasting.

notice that in describing the action of the ED drugs, this all had to do
with the internal workings of the body. if you take an ED drug by
itself and nothing happens - then did this help the penis in the normal
function of erections?

but the pump does. it is the artificial means to give life just as
doing CPR does. only to a specific part of the body, and does CPR.

using the two together - the pump and ED drugs may aid each other more -
possibly.

i really don't know if everyone can benefit from what i've said. i do
know that i went after what i had before my surgery and for the most
part, was able to reclaim most of it.

i don't claim to know everything that causes ED nor the solutions.

without the pump, i'm sure that i would have had a lot tougher time of
it.

just my .02 cents.

~ curtis

knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional
"Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is
invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
http://community.webtv.net/PALMER_ENT/doc

William Koloff

2005-06-11, 11:48 am

Quite to the contrary, pumping is RECOMMENDED after a radical to help
overcome shrinking of the penis.

William Koloff

2005-06-11, 11:48 am

There is ample research to confirm your conclusion.

Herb@abc.com

2005-06-11, 5:47 pm

On 10 Jun 2005 16:57:36 -0700, "Slug" <ALottoWin@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I used the pump for a long time when married, but now I am a widower
>and age 69. After a radical prostectomy my ED has been worse. For
>whatever reason I hate that pump now. It is too bulky and the rings
>hurt me too much when they finally go on. There is no way that I can
>use it in spontaneous sex, if I am ever that lucky. I don't think that
>using it to "exericise" is proven to be of help to someone like myself
>with nerve damage and probably blood circulation problems. Once in
>awhile Cialis seems to bring a weak sort of erection and I have bought
>a small bungee cord-like toy that ties around the penis. I can use it
>on a penis gotten hard with the pump or Cialis, or both and it seems to
>maintain the erection.
>
>For me, the answer would be a top-of-the-line pump implanted into the
>scrotum and penis. Those who have them seem to swear by their good
>work. My urologist said he would not do the operation because there are
>still some signs of cancer with a PSA of 3.0 after about 3 years. Also,
>he says the operation can be the cause of infection. Furthermore it can
>shorten the penis. (after the prostectomy, erect it lost an inch and is
>down to 5" now.Not erect, all I see is the head peeking out from the
>scrotum!)
>
>With all that I am leaning towards saying so what? I will probably die

Gentlemen;

I currently have a very severe case of poison ivy which precludes any
kind of pumping for the time being.

I'll soon embark on a controled double blind pumping experiment, which
should but this entire discussion to rest

Herb

Jerry Sturdivant

2005-06-12, 8:48 am

"Slug" <ALottoWin@yahoo.com> wrote

Before getting an implant, I suggest waiting for two years. I understand it
can take that long for nerve rejuvenation. I would also try injections to
see if they do any good.

Jerry of ASI