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| Bob-S 2005-01-31, 11:02 am |
| My ED started at age 59. Problem was I could not keep it up long enough to
satisfy either my wife of myself.
Initially I experimented with herbs. Each one seemed promising at first, but
in hindsight, it was the placebo effect.
The only one that worked was Yohimbe/Yohimbine. I still use it, but it has
side effects. Nausea, high blood pressure prevents using larger doses.
Viagra, Cialis & Levitra all work well to keep it up.
As part of my experimenting with herb combinations, and for establishing the
dosage for Viagra, etc, I would rate each combination by how long I could keep
it up, usually not ejaculating.
Then I learned that it is not a good idea to avoid ejaculating. Studies have
shown that frequent ejaculation is good to prevent prostate problems.
But I continued keeping it up for long periods of time. A couple of hours
total (Not all at once) before I would let it go.
Now at age 67, my problem is anorgasmia. More than half the time I don't come
when having sex with my wife. After about 1/2 hour of trying, I am exhausted.
I have read that the Viagra type remedies may cause anorgasmia. I am guessing
that my years of trying for long up times have trained it not to come for a
long time. So I reversed my practice of looking for long up times, and now am
trying to train it to come quicker. But it still takes about an hour.
Has anyone else had this problem? And found a solution?
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| ernestnolan 2005-02-01, 2:23 pm |
| Hi,
I would skip the herbs as they are not well studied.
There is no money in it for anyone to determine what the long term side
effects might be.
Viagra and others are supposed to help the erection path nerves that are
poor performers without it. They are not supposed to have an effect on other
nerves.
There is another set of nerves that are stiimulated in the glans of the
penis. These age gradually and eventually become less and less sensitive to
the extent that you can not get enough stimulation during normal
intercourse. If you choose to use less lubricant it increases the friction
but makes your skin raw. The wife also lost her ability to have an orgasm
during intercourse.
Masturbation still allows both husband and wife to reach orgasm for several
more years because the friction and fantasy are more easily controlled.
Eventually the wife lost that ability even though she was using a wand
vibrator which always worked.
Think this is age related and with significant visual or mental stimulation
along with normal friction it is possible to continue many years after
intercourse fails to be enough. Men find porn literature or visual may help.
Can't speak about what women might recommend.
Hope this helps you understand what I think is involved even though I don't
know of a cure.
ernestnolan
"Bob-S" <NSBob-S@att.net> wrote in message
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> My ED started at age 59. Problem was I could not keep it up long enough
to
> satisfy either my wife of myself.
> Initially I experimented with herbs. Each one seemed promising at first,
but
> in hindsight, it was the placebo effect.
> The only one that worked was Yohimbe/Yohimbine. I still use it, but it has
> side effects. Nausea, high blood pressure prevents using larger doses.
> Viagra, Cialis & Levitra all work well to keep it up.
> As part of my experimenting with herb combinations, and for establishing
the
> dosage for Viagra, etc, I would rate each combination by how long I could
keep
> it up, usually not ejaculating.
> Then I learned that it is not a good idea to avoid ejaculating. Studies
have
> shown that frequent ejaculation is good to prevent prostate problems.
> But I continued keeping it up for long periods of time. A couple of hours
> total (Not all at once) before I would let it go.
>
> Now at age 67, my problem is anorgasmia. More than half the time I don't
come
> when having sex with my wife. After about 1/2 hour of trying, I am
exhausted.
> I have read that the Viagra type remedies may cause anorgasmia. I am
guessing
> that my years of trying for long up times have trained it not to come for
a
> long time. So I reversed my practice of looking for long up times, and now
am
> trying to train it to come quicker. But it still takes about an hour.
>
> Has anyone else had this problem? And found a solution?
>
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| On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:33:40 GMT, "ernestnolan" <emiles@stny.rr.com>
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>"Bob-S" <NSBob-S@att.net> wrote in message
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>come
>exhausted.
>guessing
>a
>am
(Replying to a follow-up, since the original post didn't appear on my
server.)
Some people (myself included) find that cabergoline helps with
anorgasmia. It is a drug used for Parkinson's disease and for
hyperprolactinemia. It is sold under the brand names Cabaser and
Dostinex. You might find it worth looking into.
mk
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| Mungy@HorribleISP.gov 2005-02-01, 2:23 pm |
| NSBob-S@att.net (Bob-S) wrote:
>My ED started at age 59. Problem was I could not keep it up long enough to
>satisfy either my wife of myself.
>Initially I experimented with herbs. Each one seemed promising at first, but
>in hindsight, it was the placebo effect.
>The only one that worked was Yohimbe/Yohimbine. I still use it, but it has
>side effects. Nausea, high blood pressure prevents using larger doses.
>Viagra, Cialis & Levitra all work well to keep it up.
>As part of my experimenting with herb combinations, and for establishing the
>dosage for Viagra, etc, I would rate each combination by how long I could keep
>it up, usually not ejaculating.
>Then I learned that it is not a good idea to avoid ejaculating. Studies have
>shown that frequent ejaculation is good to prevent prostate problems.
>But I continued keeping it up for long periods of time. A couple of hours
>total (Not all at once) before I would let it go.
>Now at age 67, my problem is anorgasmia. More than half the time I don't come
>when having sex with my wife. After about 1/2 hour of trying, I am exhausted.
>I have read that the Viagra type remedies may cause anorgasmia. I am guessing
>that my years of trying for long up times have trained it not to come for a
>long time. So I reversed my practice of looking for long up times, and now am
>trying to train it to come quicker. But it still takes about an hour.
>Has anyone else had this problem? And found a solution?
Yes and no but I do have some comments and suggestions. I also use
Cialis or Viagra and Yohimbine, am about your age, and have been
having an anorgasmia problem off and on for about the last ten years.
Currently I'm at about 40 minutes most of the time.
While EN's suggestion as to diminishing nerve sensitivity may have
some merit I don't think it applies to me personally. The last
urologist I consulted tested for this with some sort of electrical
device applied to the glans and pronounced me as having excellent
responses. Maybe it's a case of this being a cause only for some
people.
I've tried Dostinex (actually an Argentinean generic called Lac-Stop)
and despite some rave reviews from others particularly a Philippine MD
(I think) who hawks the veterinary version of the stuff, it did
nothing for me. Maybe it's dose dependent...or maybe it again is good
for some, useless for others.
I've thought about using electrical stimulation and have been told on
this NG that it really works but it requires an up-front payment of
around $200 for the bottom level apparatus (a Rimba unit). I keep
putting it off because of the cost and also because I don't have too
much confidence in the "really works". I was told that about
l-Histidine too (it doesn't).
It seems to me that the problem--or at least my problem--has something
to do with the inability of the endothelial cells which line the
seminal vesicles and the prostate to produce enough fluid. The fluid
has to build up until the combination of the pressure and the nerve
impulses from the glans trigger the ejaculation. Slow or inadequate
fluid accumulation = no or delayed ejaculation. Electrical stimulation
won't overcome the absence of fluid.
From my perspective this is not just an ejaculation question; there
are other bodily functions that have changed. For example I find that
I can't sweat. I can put on a coat and stand in front of the space
heater until my legs are at the point of burning and still no
sweating. Doing lots of physical exercise gets me out of breath long
before I sweat. When having sex only right at the end (in fact I can
tell "ejaculation coming") do I start to sweat.
Yohimbine can help with its heat deregulation side effect (this might
be its main effect) but over the last six months I've found that it
works less and less in this manner although it does make sex much more
pleasurable. I really don't want to jack up the dose too much because
of the anxiety problem.
However there's other things I've noticed. I can't (or have great
difficulty in) force(ing) liquid consumption. If the cells are
dehydrated (I'm just hypothesizing here) they won't have the ability
to create the seminal vesicle fluid. No, consuming salt doesn't seem
to make me thirsty but I'm always willing to listen to any other
suggestions.
Anyway no solution but I hope some food for thought.
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| William Koloff 2005-02-01, 2:23 pm |
| Have you considered a prescription grade pump such as the Osbon Esteem
Battery Model? It is pricey but most cost can be covered by insurance if
prescribed. If you do not have insurance, do a price search and you will
find a wide variation. Best price I saw was at Georgetown Health.com It
is a fail-safe method.
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| Bob-S 2005-02-03, 10:34 am |
| On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 12:24:08 -0500, wilkol@webtv.net (William Koloff) wrote:
>Have you considered a prescription grade pump such as the Osbon Esteem
>Battery Model? It is pricey but most cost can be covered by insurance if
>prescribed. If you do not have insurance, do a price search and you will
>find a wide variation. Best price I saw was at Georgetown Health.com It
>is a fail-safe method.
An interesting thought. I was under the impression that pumps were only to
help you get it up. Do they help speed up ejaculation?
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| Bob-S 2005-02-03, 10:34 am |
| On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 07:08:23 GMT, Mungy@HorribleISP.gov wrote:
>......
>I've tried Dostinex (actually an Argentinean generic called Lac-Stop)
>and despite some rave reviews from others particularly a Philippine MD
>(I think) who hawks the veterinary version of the stuff, it did
>nothing for me. Maybe it's dose dependent...or maybe it again is good
>for some, useless for others.
I will do a search for Dostinex. Like everything else it is probably a YMMV
thing. Worth looking into.
>
>I've thought about using electrical stimulation and have been told on
>this NG that it really works but it requires an up-front payment of
>around $200 for the bottom level apparatus (a Rimba unit). I keep
>putting it off because of the cost and also because I don't have too
>much confidence in the "really works". I was told that about
>l-Histidine too (it doesn't).
I bought an electro-stim device a couple of years ago. It does cause muscles
to involuntarily contract. Similar to doing the Kegel exercise. Neither of
which do much good for me. I feel I was lucky that they took the unit back. It
was an EMS or TENS type. Can't remember where I bought it, but my credit card
statement said "Promolife". I was hoping it would take the place of Viagra.
Not only did it fail to cause an erection, it tended to meke them go away if I
already had one.
>
>It seems to me that the problem--or at least my problem--has something
>to do with the inability of the endothelial cells which line the
>seminal vesicles and the prostate to produce enough fluid. The fluid
>has to build up until the combination of the pressure and the nerve
>impulses from the glans trigger the ejaculation. Slow or inadequate
>fluid accumulation = no or delayed ejaculation. Electrical stimulation
>won't overcome the absence of fluid.
"They" say that Zinc may help in the volume area. I have taken Zinc on and
off, without any great results. I use Zinc Picolinate 30 from GNC which
balances the copper loss with 2mg of copper per 30mg pill.
>
I also use Apomorphine now & then. It is interesting stuff. Sometimes it
causes an erection when I am still under the influence of Cialis. It has not
helped in making ejaculation any easier. It lowers the Blood Pressure, and
makes one yawn a lot. Makes me want to take a nap.
There was a thread here recently where the only things that sounded like it
would work were Extacy and pot. Both illegal substances.
It seems that the same kind of stimulation causes erections and ejaculation.
Visual or physical. But the Viagra like pills do help to maintain an erection,
but do nothing for ejaculation. So there is something different involved.
There seems to be 3 distinct areas:
Libido, for which Testosterone may help
Erection, which is helped by Viagra etc
Ejaculation. Nothing available yet.
I did ask my doctor during my last physical, but he did not know of anything.
He suggested lower doses of Viagra. But I already use the minimum. I found
that 12.5mg is adequate for early morning.
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| Bob-S 2005-02-03, 10:34 am |
| On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 12:55:30 +1100, mk <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>Some people (myself included) find that cabergoline helps with
>anorgasmia. It is a drug used for Parkinson's disease and for
>hyperprolactinemia. It is sold under the brand names Cabaser and
>Dostinex. You might find it worth looking into.
Thanks for the info. I will do some searching.
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| Bob-S 2005-02-03, 10:34 am |
| On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:33:40 GMT, "ernestnolan" <emiles@stny.rr.com> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Viagra and others are supposed to help the erection path nerves that are
>poor performers without it. They are not supposed to have an effect on other
>nerves.
Now that you mention it, there are indeed different areas involved in erection
and ejaculation.
I read in previous messages about some doctor who does manipulation of the
prostate as prevention treatment. He is able to make you ejaculate
involuntarily by massaging the prostate.
I have not been able to do anything in that area, even with a vibrator made
for the purpose of stimulating the prostate.
>
>Can't speak about what women might recommend.
I can't either, but she does not have that problem. If anything, she comes
sooner now that I use Viagra or Cialis. She used to have a problem because I
could not keep it up long enough. Odd.. The Viagra has solved her problem, not
mine.
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| Wanderer 2005-02-03, 10:34 am |
| On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:55:30 -0500, mk wrote
(in message <b2otv0h33th2gtkm1ifiq9j6kt7io89k86@4ax.com> ):
> Some people (myself included) find that cabergoline helps with
> anorgasmia. It is a drug used for Parkinson's disease and for
> hyperprolactinemia. It is sold under the brand names Cabaser and
> Dostinex. You might find it worth looking into.
I have taken Cabergoline in high and low doses, and for me, it has no effect
whatsoever on anorgasmia.
As we age, it gets more difficult to reach orgasm (one of the reasons some
younger women prefer older men). Viagra and similar drugs make it even harder
to achieve an orgasm, as do SSRIs.
In my own case, I enjoy the closeness and activity of sex, and my partner's
satisfaction, with or without having my own climax, so if I can't come, I go
to sleep thinking about the sex I will have the next morning. If orgasms with
sex are of particular importance to you, I think Ernest Nolan's advice is
probably the best you will receive: jerk yourself off. It can be a lot of fun
with a woman next to you whispering sweet nothings and maybe giving you a
helping hand here and there. If even THAT fails to get you off, sweet dreams.
Tomorrow is another day. All the herbs and medicaments in the world won't be
of much help. One guy's opinion.
Wanderer
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| todd horton 2005-02-03, 10:35 am |
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try actionlove.com for a good explaination of this situation
On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 21:09:14 GMT, NSBob-S@att.net (Bob-S) wrote:
>On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 07:08:23 GMT, Mungy@HorribleISP.gov wrote:
>
>
>
>I will do a search for Dostinex. Like everything else it is probably a YMMV
>thing. Worth looking into.
>
>I bought an electro-stim device a couple of years ago. It does cause muscles
>to involuntarily contract. Similar to doing the Kegel exercise. Neither of
>which do much good for me. I feel I was lucky that they took the unit back. It
>was an EMS or TENS type. Can't remember where I bought it, but my credit card
>statement said "Promolife". I was hoping it would take the place of Viagra.
>Not only did it fail to cause an erection, it tended to meke them go away if I
>already had one.
>
>"They" say that Zinc may help in the volume area. I have taken Zinc on and
>off, without any great results. I use Zinc Picolinate 30 from GNC which
>balances the copper loss with 2mg of copper per 30mg pill.
>I also use Apomorphine now & then. It is interesting stuff. Sometimes it
>causes an erection when I am still under the influence of Cialis. It has not
>helped in making ejaculation any easier. It lowers the Blood Pressure, and
>makes one yawn a lot. Makes me want to take a nap.
>
>There was a thread here recently where the only things that sounded like it
>would work were Extacy and pot. Both illegal substances.
>
>It seems that the same kind of stimulation causes erections and ejaculation.
>Visual or physical. But the Viagra like pills do help to maintain an erection,
>but do nothing for ejaculation. So there is something different involved.
>
>There seems to be 3 distinct areas:
>Libido, for which Testosterone may help
>Erection, which is helped by Viagra etc
>Ejaculation. Nothing available yet.
>
>I did ask my doctor during my last physical, but he did not know of anything.
>He suggested lower doses of Viagra. But I already use the minimum. I found
>that 12.5mg is adequate for early morning.
>
>
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>Remove the "NS" for email address.
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| On Tue, 01 Feb 2005 07:08:23 GMT, Mungy@HorribleISP.gov wrote:
>I've tried Dostinex (actually an Argentinean generic called Lac-Stop)
>and despite some rave reviews from others particularly a Philippine MD
>(I think) who hawks the veterinary version of the stuff, it did
>nothing for me. Maybe it's dose dependent...or maybe it again is good
>for some, useless for others.
>
I ordered some Cabaser (Brand name) Cabergoline (Generic name) from Aura
Pharm. (20) 1mg tabs for $95.00 including $20.00 shipping from the Isle of
Man.
Dostinex costs $242.04 (plus shipping) from Drugstore.com. (8) 0.5mg tabs.
That is $30.88 each. Why does this stuff cost so much?
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| On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 20:33:28 GMT, NSBob-S@att.net (Bob-S) wrote:
>On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 15:22:39 GMT, NSBob-S@att.net (Bob-S) wrote:
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>For the record, the shipment arrived today, 13 days after placing the order.
>They said it would be about 20 days. No apparent problems with customs.
>The product is packaged in a bottle with a professional looking label by
>Pharmacia & Upjohn S.p.a. Italy. The box has a seal which curiously has the
>word Pfizer on it. The 1mg tablets are scored for easy splitting. I plan to
>take 2 halves per week. I will let you know what if any effect it has.
As promised, here is my report:
After 1 month of using this generic Dostinex, I have seen no effect whatever.
I guess it works only for a certain percentage of the people trying it.
On the positive side, I am one of the 30% for whom Yohimbine works.
The Yohimbine does have a positive effect both in combatting anorgasmia and
reducing refractory time. The down side of Yohimbine is its side effects.
High blood pressure and nausea. Plus it is only moderately effective.
I will keep looking.
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