Impotence Support - Requesting advice from the ng

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Requesting advice from the ng

Mike S.

2005-12-15, 12:53 am

Well my story is an odd one, firstly I'm 39 and about 30 lbs
overweight. My ED started when I was 21, after getting hit in the
nuts with a soccer ball. The trauma activated a cyst in the vas
deferance(sp) of my left testicle, which up to that point never caused
any problems except the occasional tenderness after orgasm. The 7
millimeter cyst was constantly painful and I could not get erections
for about 6 months subsequent to the blow to the testis, then slowly
my penis started working again. Having a very pretty and horny gf and
a high libido were key to me dealing with performance anxiety that was
of course extreme. My urologist said surgery to remove it could cause
new cysts to develop (which I still don't understand), so all he did
was recommend an ice pack, Aspirin, and rest. He did rx some
worthless med Yohimbeen(sp), that only made me feel more nervous.

Thank God things went back to normal and
I could perform well and regularly like 95% of the time, the other 5%
I assumed was the cyst acting up, anxiety or both. Anyway I married
another woman who is much less sexually adventurous than previous
gf's, but we are in love, and I was sure I could loosen her up, well
she won't perform oral unless I plead, and she claims all positions
except missionary are painful for her.

Nevertheless we had a regular yet tame sexlife until I broke my elbow
3 years ago. I required a couple surgeries and was rx'd lots of
codeine and percocet and got dependent to opiates for 2 years, finally
stopping them, and also stopping a SSRI I was taking intermittently
for 5 years for GAD (general anxiety disorder). I never drank daily,
but have been a binge drinker (twice a month), since my teens, I also
use antihistamines or Xanax to get to sleep.

My libido dropped off after my arm surgeries/opiate usage, 3 years
ago, but I could still perform 2 or 3 times a month (down from 3 times
per week), but the drive wasn't there like it was since I was 13.
Then last Jan the ED came back, I thought it was just the old cyst
acting up again, but soon realized it was not going away.
My new urologist said my tests were OK except for the high
cholesterol, he gave me antibiotics, which did seem to help and Cialis
which definitely help, in fact I feel 18 again when I take it! The Dr
made me feel that it's all in my head, perhaps it is, but he IMO
didn't do a complete work-up, and said the C is 'just a crutch'. He
dismissed any linkage to the SSRI/pain meds, and said, 'you gained 30
lbs, many men have ED when they put on weight', but isn't weight gain
a possible symptom of a med side effect or health problem? I love how
they cover for each other!

I welcome any comments regarding increasing my libido, my situation in
general, and suggestions as to getting my wife to be more active in
bed.

TIA
--

Muerta

2005-12-15, 10:52 am

<Mike S.> wrote in message
news:on12q11h5e6jtofq1u3i5ahn6kbo2g2oro@4ax.com...
>
>
> Well my story is an odd one, firstly I'm 39 and about 30 lbs
> overweight. My ED started when I was 21, after getting hit in the
> nuts with a soccer ball. The trauma activated a cyst in the vas
> deferance(sp) of my left testicle, which up to that point never caused
> any problems except the occasional tenderness after orgasm. The 7
> millimeter cyst was constantly painful and I could not get erections
> for about 6 months subsequent to the blow to the testis, then slowly
> my penis started working again. Having a very pretty and horny gf and
> a high libido were key to me dealing with performance anxiety that was
> of course extreme. My urologist said surgery to remove it could cause
> new cysts to develop (which I still don't understand), so all he did
> was recommend an ice pack, Aspirin, and rest. He did rx some
> worthless med Yohimbeen(sp), that only made me feel more nervous.
>
> Thank God things went back to normal and
> I could perform well and regularly like 95% of the time, the other 5%
> I assumed was the cyst acting up, anxiety or both. Anyway I married
> another woman who is much less sexually adventurous than previous
> gf's, but we are in love, and I was sure I could loosen her up, well
> she won't perform oral unless I plead, and she claims all positions
> except missionary are painful for her.
>
> Nevertheless we had a regular yet tame sexlife until I broke my elbow
> 3 years ago. I required a couple surgeries and was rx'd lots of
> codeine and percocet and got dependent to opiates for 2 years, finally
> stopping them, and also stopping a SSRI I was taking intermittently
> for 5 years for GAD (general anxiety disorder). I never drank daily,
> but have been a binge drinker (twice a month), since my teens, I also
> use antihistamines or Xanax to get to sleep.
>
> My libido dropped off after my arm surgeries/opiate usage, 3 years
> ago, but I could still perform 2 or 3 times a month (down from 3 times
> per week), but the drive wasn't there like it was since I was 13.
> Then last Jan the ED came back, I thought it was just the old cyst
> acting up again, but soon realized it was not going away.
> My new urologist said my tests were OK except for the high
> cholesterol, he gave me antibiotics, which did seem to help and Cialis
> which definitely help, in fact I feel 18 again when I take it! The Dr
> made me feel that it's all in my head, perhaps it is, but he IMO
> didn't do a complete work-up, and said the C is 'just a crutch'. He
> dismissed any linkage to the SSRI/pain meds, and said, 'you gained 30
> lbs, many men have ED when they put on weight', but isn't weight gain
> a possible symptom of a med side effect or health problem? I love how
> they cover for each other!
>
>
> I welcome any comments regarding increasing my libido, my situation in
> general, and suggestions as to getting my wife to be more active in
> bed.
>
>
> TIA
> --

Well, Mike, that's quite a journey. So you are dealing with (1) A physical
problem from your injury. (2) A spin with SSRI's which many here have said
have a lasting effect, and, (3) A psychological issue because of a
relationship that is not fulfilling desires/expectations.

First of all, as anyone here will tell you, you need tests. Serum T, Free T,
Prolactin, Estradiol, and IGF1 at the least. A thyroid workup would not be
out of place. That's the starting point for us all. It'll show problems or
lack of them.

The injury....most of us here have run into a Dr. that we didn't agree with
or didn't feel he was not particularly interested in finding the culprit.
Ergo, we have switched Drs. until we hit it right. Not the easiest thing to
do, but by all means the most beneficial.

The SSRI thing, well, that's big snough that there are several groups pretty
much dedicated to just anti-depression drugs.

Here's one that just started up you might want to check:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/grou...l-side-effects/

Now, the relationship issue, jeez I deal with that several times a night.
People get married when they really don't know each other and then find it's
not perfect, get married thinking that their going to change their partner,
and then don't get the job done, and a lot of people get married when they
don't really even like each other.

However............

There's no easy answer to that. Medically her libido can be increased with
either a compunded testosterone cream applied vaginally, or as some
physicians are now doing, prescribing applied topical testosterone gels.

This does increase libido in women, but here's the two problems with that:

Number one, if her libido is increased and she's a missionary-only kinda
girl, she still ain't gonna do whips & chains, know what I'm saying? She'll
just want to do missionary more often.

Number two, and here's the big one, and I have seen several instances of
this with women on T........they get horny....but....not just for you.
Increased sexual drive does the same thing in women that it does in men, and
if you think any high sex-drive male doesn't look at other women and
occasionally indulge, you haven't been talking to your buddies.

I have seen several instances of otherwise stable marriages being screwed up
by women going the T route. Maybe they were screwed up to start with, but
having made several house calls over a 1 to 1 1/2 year paeriod to some of
these, I have watched it play out.

No, that's not every one that does T.

Nothing wrong with Cialis. I don't think it's a "crutch" any more than I
think that taking an aspirin to get rid of a headache is a "crutch".

I use cialis, I like it, and I will continue to use it until the next great
thing (PT-141?) rolls around.

Wanderer

2005-12-15, 10:52 am

On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 1:08:13 -0500, Mike S. wrote
(in message <on12q11h5e6jtofq1u3i5ahn6kbo2g2oro@4ax.com> ):

>
>
> Well my story is an odd one, firstly I'm 39 and about 30 lbs
> overweight. My ED started when I was 21, after getting hit in the
> nuts with a soccer ball. The trauma activated a cyst in the vas
> deferance(sp) of my left testicle, which up to that point never caused
> any problems except the occasional tenderness after orgasm. The 7
> millimeter cyst was constantly painful and I could not get erections
> for about 6 months subsequent to the blow to the testis, then slowly
> my penis started working again. Having a very pretty and horny gf and
> a high libido were key to me dealing with performance anxiety that was
> of course extreme. My urologist said surgery to remove it could cause
> new cysts to develop (which I still don't understand), so all he did
> was recommend an ice pack, Aspirin, and rest. He did rx some
> worthless med Yohimbeen(sp), that only made me feel more nervous.
>
> Thank God things went back to normal and
> I could perform well and regularly like 95% of the time, the other 5%
> I assumed was the cyst acting up, anxiety or both. Anyway I married
> another woman who is much less sexually adventurous than previous
> gf's, but we are in love, and I was sure I could loosen her up, well
> she won't perform oral unless I plead, and she claims all positions
> except missionary are painful for her.
>
> Nevertheless we had a regular yet tame sexlife until I broke my elbow
> 3 years ago. I required a couple surgeries and was rx'd lots of
> codeine and percocet and got dependent to opiates for 2 years, finally
> stopping them, and also stopping a SSRI I was taking intermittently
> for 5 years for GAD (general anxiety disorder). I never drank daily,
> but have been a binge drinker (twice a month), since my teens, I also
> use antihistamines or Xanax to get to sleep.
>
> My libido dropped off after my arm surgeries/opiate usage, 3 years
> ago, but I could still perform 2 or 3 times a month (down from 3 times
> per week), but the drive wasn't there like it was since I was 13.
> Then last Jan the ED came back, I thought it was just the old cyst
> acting up again, but soon realized it was not going away.
> My new urologist said my tests were OK except for the high
> cholesterol, he gave me antibiotics, which did seem to help and Cialis
> which definitely help, in fact I feel 18 again when I take it! The Dr
> made me feel that it's all in my head, perhaps it is, but he IMO
> didn't do a complete work-up, and said the C is 'just a crutch'. He
> dismissed any linkage to the SSRI/pain meds, and said, 'you gained 30
> lbs, many men have ED when they put on weight', but isn't weight gain
> a possible symptom of a med side effect or health problem? I love how
> they cover for each other!
>
>
> I welcome any comments regarding increasing my libido, my situation in
> general, and suggestions as to getting my wife to be more active in
> bed.

It's the SSRIs. They are insidious. You can take them for awhile without
noticing ill effects. In fact, at first, if you are prone to anxiety, they
actually improve your sex life. They also INITIALLY promote weight loss.
Months or years later, they destroy the libido, and promote weight gain. They
also deplete testosterone (as does heavy alcohol consumption, which also, by
the way, increases bad estrogens).

Many of us find that Cialis does promote stronger libido, in addition to damn
fine erections. And most Cialis users report far fewer side effects than
Viagra. If Cialis works for you and makes you feel like you're 18 again,
what's the problem? I take 10 mgs every few days. It keeps my blood pressure
within normal range, promotes super nocturnal erections, and makes me horny.
What's not to like?

You might consider having blood work done to check your hormones. SSRI users
often have testosterone problems. The literature says they are reversible
once SSRI use is discontinued. I'm not so sure.

As for the problems with your wife, that's a lot trickier. It takes a lot of
communication... maybe including marriage counseling with someone who is
experienced in dealing with human sexuality issues. Having a partner who
doesn't seem to enjoy sex much is sure not going to help with your ED/libido
problems. But if you love each other, I am sure you can work it out with
enough patience, communication, and honesty. Good luck.

Wanderer

Joe D.

2005-12-15, 12:50 pm

<Mike S.> wrote in message
news:on12q11h5e6jtofq1u3i5ahn6kbo2g2oro@4ax.com...
>
> ...also stopping a SSRI I was taking intermittently
> for 5 years for GAD (general anxiety disorder).... I also
> use antihistamines or Xanax to get to sleep...
>
An anxiety med that usually doesn't cause sexual problems
is Buspar (buspirone). Discuss with your Dr.

Benzodiazepines like Xanax can definitely cause sexual problems
in some men, depending on dosage and individual sensitivity.

Get your testosterone, prolactin, estradiol, and thyroid measured.
If any of those are off it can cause sexual and emotional problems.

Mike S.

2005-12-15, 5:52 pm

On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 06:20:04 -0600, "Muerta" <not@home.com> wrote:

>
><Mike S.> wrote in message
>news:on12q11h5e6jtofq1u3i5ahn6kbo2g2oro@4ax.com...
>
>Well, Mike, that's quite a journey. So you are dealing with (1) A physical
>problem from your injury. (2) A spin with SSRI's which many here have said
>have a lasting effect, and, (3) A psychological issue because of a
>relationship that is not fulfilling desires/expectations.
>
>First of all, as anyone here will tell you, you need tests. Serum T, Free T,
>Prolactin, Estradiol, and IGF1 at the least. A thyroid workup would not be
>out of place. That's the starting point for us all. It'll show problems or
>lack of them.
>
>The injury....most of us here have run into a Dr. that we didn't agree with
>or didn't feel he was not particularly interested in finding the culprit.
>Ergo, we have switched Drs. until we hit it right. Not the easiest thing to
>do, but by all means the most beneficial.
>
>The SSRI thing, well, that's big snough that there are several groups pretty
>much dedicated to just anti-depression drugs.
>
>Here's one that just started up you might want to check:
>
>http://health.groups.yahoo.com/grou...l-side-effects/
>
>Now, the relationship issue, jeez I deal with that several times a night.
>People get married when they really don't know each other and then find it's
>not perfect, get married thinking that their going to change their partner,
>and then don't get the job done, and a lot of people get married when they
>don't really even like each other.
>
>However............
>
>There's no easy answer to that. Medically her libido can be increased with
>either a compunded testosterone cream applied vaginally, or as some
>physicians are now doing, prescribing applied topical testosterone gels.
>
>This does increase libido in women, but here's the two problems with that:
>
>Number one, if her libido is increased and she's a missionary-only kinda
>girl, she still ain't gonna do whips & chains, know what I'm saying? She'll
>just want to do missionary more often.
>
>Number two, and here's the big one, and I have seen several instances of
>this with women on T........they get horny....but....not just for you.
>Increased sexual drive does the same thing in women that it does in men, and
>if you think any high sex-drive male doesn't look at other women and
>occasionally indulge, you haven't been talking to your buddies.
>
>I have seen several instances of otherwise stable marriages being screwed up
>by women going the T route. Maybe they were screwed up to start with, but
>having made several house calls over a 1 to 1 1/2 year paeriod to some of
>these, I have watched it play out.
>
>No, that's not every one that does T.
>
>Nothing wrong with Cialis. I don't think it's a "crutch" any more than I
>think that taking an aspirin to get rid of a headache is a "crutch".
>
>I use cialis, I like it, and I will continue to use it until the next great
>thing (PT-141?) rolls around.
>

You guys really know your stuff, thanks! I wish I found this ng last
May when I saw the urologist last, I could've asked him more
insightful questions. I will find a new one as this current guy
didn't seem to really care about my situation. Plus the Cialis/crutch
comment was very condescending IMO, to his credit though, he did rx 8
pills with 7 refills. I suspect the past SSRI use has effected me
sexually, and my memory somewhat as well. I think many Dr's are
trying to minimize these possible long-term side effects.

Regarding my wife: I didn't mean to suggest that she is fridget,
perhaps a little prudish is a better description. I think she has
real discomfort in different positions, due to a vaginal/uteral
condition that has not been diagnosed yet. She is quite shy, but does
have a healthy libido, and is quite orgasmic. We would have almost
daily sex before my problems started, but I am always the initiator.
She never had normal vaginal secretions, so we use KY as lubricant,
perhaps this is a hormone disorder, and causes some of her discomfort
in other positions?

I'm really not that kinky, I just need a little more oral from her,
and I really like her to occasionally dress up for me in sexy
lingerie, which she will do, but only after me prompting her. She is
slim with big breasts, so she looks great in stockings and heels etc.,
but she lacks the active seductive '_bedroom_ slutyness' I have
enjoyed with past gf's. Perhaps we do need a sex therapist.

--

Shamus

2005-12-17, 10:52 am

Know what u mean Mike, been all around the gammet with
these doctors and not one told me (high cholestoral) would cause
impotence. Mine is over 305 by the way.

I've been on other meds and my guts were hurting, so I started
quitting each pill until I found the culprit that was making my guts
hurt so much and that included Lipitor.

So now I'm starting all over on on Zocor, though it wasn't the Lipitor
that was making me sick; long story....

I did notice that while on Lipitor my erections started coming back good
and strong. My wife was too proud. Then when the Lipitor quit, so did
my erections; thank God for pumps and Levitra.

In a nutshell, get that Cholesterol down and see what happens.

As far as the your wife goes I would suggest some books that my wife
and are having fun experimenting in. What's great about these books u
learn that a lot of us are inhibited because we're afraid to be intimidated.

We men put a lot of undo stress on our perfomance.
Let me just quote one passage from one of our books according to women.
Your Most Important Sex Tools: (in order of importance)
1. Your Brain
2. Your Mouth
3. Your Hands
(drum roll please)
4. Your penis--a distant 4th.

Well, if you're interested; we got ours from amazon, here are the books we
got;
How to Be a Great Lover, (Girlfriend to Girlfriend Totally Explicit
Techniques that
Will Blow His Mind) by Lou Paget

Lesbian Sex Secrets for Men (What evey man wants to know about making love
to a woman and never asks.) by Jamie Goodard and Kurt Brungardt.

How to Give Her Absolute Pleaure (Totally Explicit Techiniques Every Woman
Wants
Her Man to Know) by Lou Paget.,

I almost didn't read the Lou Paget books because I thought the author was a
man,
but found out the author is a woman. I just felt a woman would know. :-)

Good Luck Mike
Shamus

<Mike S.> wrote in message
news:on12q11h5e6jtofq1u3i5ahn6kbo2g2oro@4ax.com...
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> My new urologist said my tests were OK except for the high
> cholesterol, he gave me antibiotics, which did seem to help and Cialis
> which definitely help, in fact I feel 18 again when I take it! The Dr
> made me feel that it's all in my head, perhaps it is, but he IMO
> didn't do a complete work-up, and said the C is 'just a crutch'. He
> dismissed any linkage to the SSRI/pain meds, and said, 'you gained 30
> lbs, many men have ED when they put on weight', but isn't weight gain
> a possible symptom of a med side effect or health problem? I love how
> they cover for each other!
>
>
> I welcome any comments regarding increasing my libido, my situation in
> general, and suggestions as to getting my wife to be more active in
> bed.
>
>
> TIA
> --
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

LMac

2005-12-17, 10:52 am

Shamus wrote:
> Know what u mean Mike, been all around the gammet with
> these doctors and not one told me (high cholestoral) would cause
> impotence. Mine is over 305 by the way.
>
> I've been on other meds and my guts were hurting, so I started
> quitting each pill until I found the culprit that was making my guts
> hurt so much and that included Lipitor.
>
> So now I'm starting all over on on Zocor, though it wasn't the Lipitor
> that was making me sick; long story....
>
> I did notice that while on Lipitor my erections started coming back good
> and strong. My wife was too proud. Then when the Lipitor quit, so did
> my erections; thank God for pumps and Levitra.
>
> In a nutshell, get that Cholesterol down and see what happens.
>
=== snip ===
Thanks for the book titles below look like good stuff.

About Cholesterol: Also take a look at controlling triglycerides. Six
years ago (as I began my E.D. "adventure") my total cholesterol was over
300 and my Tri's were over 500. Lipid lowering meds caused either
flaking skin or muscle pain so the docs moved me to a Niacin regimen.
It raises the HDL nicely but makes one responsible for diet to lower the
Total C and Tri levels. Just got bloodwork back yesterday. Total C =
163, HDL = 64 and Tri @ 185. This follows a five year trend in better
Cholesterol and Tri's.

Although age is taking a hit on erectile length, I think my firmness
with or without Levitra/Viagra is much better than in 2004. My
anecdotal observation is that hi-Tri took the worst hit to erectile
quality. No doubt though that Total C and LDL playing on the same page.

I've had one GP say, "no, Cholesterol has nothing to do with erectile
quality."

I'd suggest seriously considering Niaspan therapy. The skin flush is a
bit of a nuisance (seems lessened with time) and it has to be taken
several hours away from Viagra or Levitra. Upside. It doesn't have the
long term side effects of the statins and the cost is a lot less than
any of the statins.

-- LMac

[vbcol=seagreen]
> As far as the your wife goes I would suggest some books that my wife
> and are having fun experimenting in. What's great about these books u
> learn that a lot of us are inhibited because we're afraid to be intimidated.
>
> We men put a lot of undo stress on our perfomance.
> Let me just quote one passage from one of our books according to women.
> Your Most Important Sex Tools: (in order of importance)
> 1. Your Brain
> 2. Your Mouth
> 3. Your Hands
> (drum roll please)
> 4. Your penis--a distant 4th.
>
> Well, if you're interested; we got ours from amazon, here are the books we
> got;
> How to Be a Great Lover, (Girlfriend to Girlfriend Totally Explicit
> Techniques that
> Will Blow His Mind) by Lou Paget
>
> Lesbian Sex Secrets for Men (What evey man wants to know about making love
> to a woman and never asks.) by Jamie Goodard and Kurt Brungardt.
>
> How to Give Her Absolute Pleaure (Totally Explicit Techiniques Every Woman
> Wants
> Her Man to Know) by Lou Paget.,
>
> I almost didn't read the Lou Paget books because I thought the author was a
> man,
> but found out the author is a woman. I just felt a woman would know. :-)
>
> Good Luck Mike
> Shamus
>
>
>
> <Mike S.> wrote in message
> news:on12q11h5e6jtofq1u3i5ahn6kbo2g2oro@4ax.com...
> ------------Snip-------------------------------------------
>

Shamus

2005-12-18, 12:54 am

Oh yeah Mike, I forgot about my triglycerides, can't remember
the number, but they're off the scale too. I was taking the nicacin
like u said, 500 mg a day; the flush free kind u get at Walmart. The flush
free nicacin won't give u the willies. ewwww, can't stand that feeling.
I got to start taking that again. I read on the internet on one of those
med pages, Dr. Koop maybe; to take less than 1 gram when taking
statins. Guess it might cause liver damage or something when u have
2 pills trying to do the same thing in one area.
Shamus

"LMac" <LMac5491@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:YgXof.150$LB5.96@fed1read04...
> I'd suggest seriously considering Niaspan therapy. The skin flush is a
> bit of a nuisance (seems lessened with time) and it has to be taken
> several hours away from Viagra or Levitra. Upside. It doesn't have the
> long term side effects of the statins and the cost is a lot less than any
> of the statins.
>
> -- LMac

2005-12-18, 12:54 am

"Muerta" <not@home.com> wrote in message
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> <Mike S.> wrote in message
> news:on12q11h5e6jtofq1u3i5ahn6kbo2g2oro@4ax.com...

A cyst contains fluid and your doc probably believed that it was minor and
would just go away while with surgery there's always a risk of causing more
damage and is the last resort.

He did rx some[vbcol=seagreen]

How much were you taking per day? Even if you were taking enough to get a
numbing and sedating effect it usually wears off very quickly(within a day).
Stay off them for a month and if there's no improvement, it's not the drugs.

finally[vbcol=seagreen]

This is probably the primary cause. What I don't like about these drugs is
that they are very long acting(1/2 life=10 days) and probably cause a
metabolic change that may not be reversible. Also, they have not been around
that long to really see the long range effects and by that I mean the long
range effects after you have stopped taking them, the residual effects.

I never drank daily,[vbcol=seagreen]

Stop the antihistamines. Xanax doesn't usually cause ED but it can make you
too tired and limp depending on the dose and your tolerance. Some people get
increased libido from it so it depends on the indivual.

[vbcol=seagreen]

Well then keep taking it if you feel 18 again!

The Dr[vbcol=seagreen]

He's wrong about the SSRI but right on the opiates. This is not to say that
taking morphine-like drugs won't cause ED but that it's easily reversible by
stopping or decreasing the dose.

and said, 'you gained 30[vbcol=seagreen]

Could be side effect of SSRI but more likely just a sign of aging.

I love how[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Well, Mike, that's quite a journey. So you are dealing with (1) A physical
> problem from your injury. (2) A spin with SSRI's which many here have said
> have a lasting effect, and, (3) A psychological issue because of a
> relationship that is not fulfilling desires/expectations.
>
> First of all, as anyone here will tell you, you need tests. Serum T, Free
> T, Prolactin, Estradiol, and IGF1 at the least. A thyroid workup would not
> be out of place. That's the starting point for us all. It'll show problems
> or lack of them.

Yes, it's first good to have all the tests performed to rule out anything.
>
> The injury....most of us here have run into a Dr. that we didn't agree
> with or didn't feel he was not particularly interested in finding the
> culprit. Ergo, we have switched Drs. until we hit it right. Not the
> easiest thing to do, but by all means the most beneficial.

Medicine is not an exact science, there is too much variation between
indivuals.

>
> The SSRI thing, well, that's big snough that there are several groups
> pretty much dedicated to just anti-depression drugs.
>
> Here's one that just started up you might want to check:
>
> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/grou...l-side-effects/
>
> Now, the relationship issue, jeez I deal with that several times a night.
> People get married when they really don't know each other and then find
> it's not perfect, get married thinking that their going to change their
> partner, and then don't get the job done, and a lot of people get married
> when they don't really even like each other.
>
> However............
>
> There's no easy answer to that. Medically her libido can be increased with
> either a compunded testosterone cream applied vaginally, or as some
> physicians are now doing, prescribing applied topical testosterone gels.

But her problem doesn't sound like lack of libido, she just likes sex in one
position.

>
> This does increase libido in women, but here's the two problems with that:
>
> Number one, if her libido is increased and she's a missionary-only kinda
> girl, she still ain't gonna do whips & chains, know what I'm saying?
> She'll just want to do missionary more often.
>
> Number two, and here's the big one, and I have seen several instances of
> this with women on T........they get horny....but....not just for you.
> Increased sexual drive does the same thing in women that it does in men,
> and if you think any high sex-drive male doesn't look at other women and
> occasionally indulge, you haven't been talking to your buddies.
>
> I have seen several instances of otherwise stable marriages being screwed
> up by women going the T route. Maybe they were screwed up to start with,
> but having made several house calls over a 1 to 1 1/2 year paeriod to some
> of these, I have watched it play out.
>
> No, that's not every one that does T.
>
> Nothing wrong with Cialis. I don't think it's a "crutch" any more than I
> think that taking an aspirin to get rid of a headache is a "crutch".
>
> I use cialis, I like it, and I will continue to use it until the next
> great thing (PT-141?) rolls around.
>
>

LMac

2005-12-18, 5:53 pm

Shamus wrote:
> Oh yeah Mike, I forgot about my triglycerides, can't remember
> the number, but they're off the scale too. I was taking the nicacin
> like u said, 500 mg a day; the flush free kind u get at Walmart. The flush
> free nicacin won't give u the willies. ewwww, can't stand that feeling.
> I got to start taking that again. I read on the internet on one of those
> med pages, Dr. Koop maybe; to take less than 1 gram when taking
> statins. Guess it might cause liver damage or something when u have
> 2 pills trying to do the same thing in one area.
> Shamus
>
> "LMac" <LMac5491@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:YgXof.150$LB5.96@fed1read04...
>
>
>
>
Probably not a good idea to use both a statin and niacin or Niaspan.
You're correct on the liver damage potential of that combination. When
I quit statins, the doc put me on 6000mg of niacin a day then gradually
decreased that dose to 4000mg (2K in the morning, 2K at night) When
Niaspan became available I've been on a steady dose of 2000mg.

-- LMac