Impotence Support - T Levels question

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T Levels question

miscellaneousmedia@yahoo.com

2005-12-03, 5:51 pm

First of all. 50 yer old WM here. No physical importence problem. Some
degree of loss of interest, at least with the same partner, has been an
issue with me for decades. Here are the only stats I know as of yet.
Total T: 388; Free T 45.4. Free % 1.19. Estradoil (10 years ago) I was
told was normal- but I do not have the number and am suspicious.

Bottomline questions: Are the limited numbers I have a goodindication
so far of needing TRT, especially the 388? (I realise I need a new E2
and prolactin at a minimum. But I won't be tested for a couple more
weeks.) Gynecomastia since adolesence, more than loss of sexual
interest with long-term partners, is driving me to explore this. What
are the potential risks of TRT? I'm dealing with high cholesterol and
CRP already. If My E2 is high would TRT increase the E2, as well. I
remember a decade or so ago hering about some study that linked high
estradoil in men with heart attacks.

Thoughts?

Muerta

2005-12-04, 10:51 am

<miscellaneousmedia@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1133650356.394592.243250@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> First of all. 50 yer old WM here. No physical importence problem. Some
> degree of loss of interest, at least with the same partner, has been an
> issue with me for decades. Here are the only stats I know as of yet.
> Total T: 388; Free T 45.4. Free % 1.19. Estradoil (10 years ago) I was
> told was normal- but I do not have the number and am suspicious.
>
> Bottomline questions: Are the limited numbers I have a goodindication
> so far of needing TRT, especially the 388? (I realise I need a new E2
> and prolactin at a minimum. But I won't be tested for a couple more
> weeks.) Gynecomastia since adolesence, more than loss of sexual
> interest with long-term partners, is driving me to explore this. What
> are the potential risks of TRT? I'm dealing with high cholesterol and
> CRP already. If My E2 is high would TRT increase the E2, as well. I
> remember a decade or so ago hering about some study that linked high
> estradoil in men with heart attacks.
>
> Thoughts?
>

Real quick (sorry, I'm running late)..................

Gyno since childhood? Estradiol levels are OK? Maybe I'm missing a point
here, but I don't see how one can attain gyno without high estrone level.

Check with the doc on that one.

In synopsis.....if you want to raise your T level, you may have a problem
with docs, because you're in the "normal" range. However, if I were you, I
would most certainly go the HCG route before considering TRT. Once you go
TRT, you are making a serious decision. It is the cat's XXX for a lot of us,
but some guys have issues with tesicular shrinkage, and as you've seen in
the posts, keeping estrogen down is even more important that keeping T up,
and we all deal with an estrogen issue when on TRT.

Yes, Framingham (sic?, it's been awhile) Heart Report, "The incidence of
higher heart attack rates in men with increased estrogen level".

Good luck chasing that, it took me 4 months of searching the web and talking
to Docs 4 years ago to find that particular paper.

Estrones also screw up your prostate and seem to be directly responsible for
BPH and elevated PSA.

miscellaneousmedia@yahoo.com

2005-12-04, 10:51 am

Apparently, many, if not most, gyno cases are ideopathic - no know
cause. A discernable E2 balance or low T makes up only a portion of the
cases.

Am I really that normal, given my stats. I seem very very bordeline,
no?

What is HCG?

What is BHP?

I thought high E2 or other etsrognes would reduce likelihood of a high
PSA.

Ignatz's Bricks

2005-12-05, 12:52 am

miscellaneousmedia@yahoo.com wrote:

> Gynecomastia since adolesence . . .

> I'm dealing with high cholesterol . . . .

Just wondering, how are you dealing with your high cholesterol and how
high was it?

Just dropping your cholesterol suddenly can cause a loss in libido. It
should slowly return as your body adjusts to the new level.

I've never seen it written up, and I don't know how rare it is, but I
know two people who have mild physical symptoms of gyno and the cause
apparently is high cholesterol.

You can't go by body shape, you must do tests.

IB

Muerta

2005-12-06, 10:52 am

<miscellaneousmedia@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Apparently, many, if not most, gyno cases are ideopathic - no know
> cause. A discernable E2 balance or low T makes up only a portion of the
> cases.
>
> Am I really that normal, given my stats. I seem very very bordeline,
> no?

Yeah, you're borderline, but the vast majority of the medical community will
say, "That's good enough". I had a very highly trained Dr. tell me once that
being at the bottom or the top of the T scale was all the same, that 250 was
no different or had no worse effect than 900. They aren't hypogonadnal, so
they don't "feel the pain".
>
> What is HCG?
>

Human Chorionic Gonadotropin

Google "HCG" and explore. It is reccmended by the Endo's association for
treatment of hypogonadism. Here's a start:
http://www.merck.com/mrkshared/mman...ter269/269g.jsp
> What is BHP?
>
Benign Prostatic Hyperplasia

http://www.urologychannel.com/prostate/bph/index.shtml

> I thought high E2 or other etsrognes would reduce likelihood of a high
> PSA.
>

That's not the way it plays out. The docs tell you that when you do T, your
PSA goes up, no matter what. My doc still can't give me an explanantion why
after 2 1/2 years of injecting T, I still have a .5 PSA. Even though I've
explained it to him and invited him to do his own research with his other
patients on TRT.