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| itazuke 2005-11-30, 5:52 pm |
| Hi all,
I've been using HCG (and a bit of HMG) for the past several months.
I have some interim results to talk about and maybe get some advice.
When I started, my T level was just a hair above 400, which I thought
was way too low for my ambitions. So, I just got back some blood test
results which show, I guess, an amazing boost in the T level (up over
1400). The rest of the items tested were all within range with one
glaring exception; estradiol. It was 107 and for a male it should be
below 57.
I'm guessing that is why I'm having such a difficult time getting an
erection, even using ED under control. Any comments, suggestions? Is
the T too high now? Well, I know it is but is that a problem as well?
Thanks, John
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| bhasf@aol.com 2005-12-01, 12:53 am |
| Hello,
Another poster suggested I used Natures Way DIM-plus for high
estradiol. I bought it from N101.com. My level was around 40 but I
have read it should not be above 30, well below the 57 reference level.
I was having poor libido and occasional ED. The DIM seemed to work.
Although I have not had my Estradiol level checked since I have been on
DIM, my libido and ED are definitely better. To be honest a T level of
1400 seems too high. You may want to consider reducing the HCG
slightly also. My guess is too high a T level will not cause the ED but
it will raise the Estradiol level which can cause problems.
I take 2 DIM twice a day.
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| itazuke 2005-12-01, 10:52 am |
| Thanks for the reply. I was thinking along the same lines about the
high T being converted to E2. I'd forgotten about the DIM. I'll get
some. Actually, when I went back and looked at the results the T level
was over 1500.
John
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| Eric Deaver 2005-12-01, 10:52 am |
| Regarding DIM. Becareful and seek advise on Hypogonadism site on
Yahoo. Too low of E2 will cause same problem. You need to find a
balancing point of E2. I think the advice that was given was like
start with one pill and watch NE's they will (probably) improve and
then get worse. At this point cut in half and see if they return.
Keep dojng this until they return - that should be close to balance.
Eric
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| Muerta 2005-12-01, 12:51 pm |
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"itazuke" <obrien.john60@itazuke.org> wrote in message
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> Hi all,
So, I just got back some blood test
> results which show, I guess, an amazing boost in the T level (up over
> 1400). The rest of the items tested were all within range with one
> glaring exception; estradiol. It was 107 and for a male it should be
> below 57.
Whoaaaa, hoss, you're hitting familiar ground with me. I never had my T go
up worth anything on HCG or HMG, but I have dealt with the estrogen issues.
As many have tried and found, once you get above 800-900 ng/dL in the T
range, you are just hurting yourself. *All* T will aromataze, the trick is
finding the source that will aromataze least, and controlling that.
I ran 2 X max E2 range for quite awhile, and don't ever want to be in that
boat again. It does bad things to you. Try getting your T level under 1000
ng/dL, test the estrones, and work from there.
Remember, excess estrones cause T receptors to shut down, it takes a little
while to wake them again. This ain't no overnight thing.
BTW, bud.....if you don't, you're gonna grow tits.
Get a picture of that!
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| D Hamilton 2005-12-01, 5:52 pm |
| On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 11:41:39 -0600, "Muerta" <not@home.com> wrote:
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>BTW, bud.....if you don't, you're gonna grow tits.
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>Get a picture of that!
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Wait ... he can use the picture the surgeon took of me. We can just
Photoshop his head onto it. <G>
(A little gyno humor guys.)
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| itazuke 2005-12-01, 5:52 pm |
| Thanks, I'll watch it and I do get NE's still. Just can't any other
time. And I haven't gotten tits yet and hope not to. I am using
bromocriptine and that is keeping the prolactin low. Real low, 0.5
Should have the DIM by Monday.
John
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| itazuke 2005-12-03, 10:57 am |
| Good news; the clomid must be working. I was able to get myself "up"
this morning. 'Course my stomach 'wrestled' with it(clomid) most of
the night. I'm using the liquid and it tastes BAD. Got enough left to
continue till the DIM gets here.
John
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| Muerta 2005-12-04, 10:51 am |
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"D Hamilton" <dhamilton@987vanner987.com> wrote in message
news:1khuo1dh2r9po789rq7646fffaiq7tolr3@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 11:41:39 -0600, "Muerta" <not@home.com> wrote:
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> Wait ... he can use the picture the surgeon took of me. We can just
> Photoshop his head onto it. <G>
>
> (A little gyno humor guys.)
I was just talking about gyno with a buddy at work this morning. His
brother, who lives in another state, was determined to make it on androgel,
pumped it up long term, didn't use an anti-estrogen, and he got gyno and
simulated prostate cancer (they did the biopsies..*10*....and he was clean).
His PSA went from .7 when he started to over 4 within a couple of months,
and his T level never got over 350.
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| Muerta 2005-12-04, 10:51 am |
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"itazuke" <obrien.john60@itazuke.org> wrote in message
news:1133533070.843029.37140@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Good news; the clomid must be working. I was able to get myself "up"
> this morning. 'Course my stomach 'wrestled' with it(clomid) most of
> the night. I'm using the liquid and it tastes BAD. Got enough left to
> continue till the DIM gets here.
> John
>
That's the way, John. Make sure and get tested no sooner than a couple of
days after you switch to DIM to make sure it's effective and what dosage
tweaks are needed.
If that fails, Josh sells arimidex on his board.
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| Wanderer 2005-12-04, 10:51 am |
| On Wed, 30 Nov 2005 16:40:42 -0500, itazuke wrote
(in message <1133386842.244368.84340@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> ):
> Hi all,
> I've been using HCG (and a bit of HMG) for the past several months.
> I have some interim results to talk about and maybe get some advice.
> When I started, my T level was just a hair above 400, which I thought
> was way too low for my ambitions. So, I just got back some blood test
> results which show, I guess, an amazing boost in the T level (up over
> 1400). The rest of the items tested were all within range with one
> glaring exception; estradiol. It was 107 and for a male it should be
> below 57.
> I'm guessing that is why I'm having such a difficult time getting an
> erection, even using ED under control. Any comments, suggestions? Is
> the T too high now? Well, I know it is but is that a problem as well?
> Thanks, John
>
How much HCG are you taking? And how often do you take it? You seem to have
jacked your T levels up well beyond what I thought was possible on HCG, so I
am suspecting you are overdosing on it, which is driving the high estradiol
levels. Are you under a doctor's supervision? Or are you buying meds on the
Internet and self-medicating?
Wanderer
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| itazuke 2005-12-05, 12:52 am |
| Self medicating and trying to be conservative, but I guess I wasn't too
much. I was keeping within the printed guidelines. Keeping under 5000
iu/week.
John
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| itazuke 2005-12-05, 12:52 am |
| Might be good to just have some around, in case.
Josh??
Where do I find it?
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| Wanderer 2005-12-05, 10:52 am |
| On Sun, 4 Dec 2005 19:17:44 -0500, itazuke wrote
(in message <1133741864.205935.76040@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> ):
> Self medicating and trying to be conservative, but I guess I wasn't too
> much. I was keeping within the printed guidelines. Keeping under 5000
> iu/week.
> John
>
If I was you I would find a doctor who specializes in TRT... before you do
yourself serious damage.
Wanderer
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| Joe D. 2005-12-05, 5:51 pm |
| "itazuke" <obrien.john60@itazuke.org> wrote in message
news:1133741864.205935.76040@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Self medicating and trying to be conservative, but I guess I wasn't too
> much. I was keeping within the printed guidelines. Keeping under 5000
> iu/week.
5000 IU/week is WAY too high. The guidelines are highly misleading,
as the primary use for hCG is short term treatment for fertility,
undescended testicle, incomplete puberty, etc. In those cases the
dosage is high, around 5000 IU/week or higher. The guidelines
are written assuming those conditions are the primary use for
hCG.
By contrast long term treatment for male hypogonadism requires
lower dosages -- 500 IU 3x/week (1500 IU/week total) is a typical
dosage. Some men do OK on 1000 IU/week or less.
Your first step should be reduce your hCG dosage to about 1500 IU/week
for a few weeks and get re-tested then. You may feel unwell for a
brief period while your body adjusts to that. Don't worry about that.
After getting tested at 1500 IU/week, make any needed dosage adjustments.
Your high estradiol is caused by an excessive testosterone level. That
is typical, not unexpected at all. You can try DIM, but if you reduce your
hCG and get your T level down in the normal range, estradiol will come
down automatically.
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| Muerta 2005-12-06, 10:52 am |
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"itazuke" <obrien.john60@itazuke.org> wrote in message
news:1133742023.416529.276740@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Might be good to just have some around, in case.
> Josh??
> Where do I find it?
>
Bon Apetit'
http://www.anycities.com/user1/laukee/
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