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tenkiller

2005-11-11, 6:27 pm

Well, I finally have a Testosterone level that is normal. I am on 2
packets of Androgel a day and have been for 4 months. My last
Testosterone level was 750. GREAT!!!

Now the bad part.......my Hematocrit level is too high, supposedly due
to the Testosterone. I don't remember what the level is but now the
Androgel is going to be dosed at 2 pkts every other day.

Now the other bad part......the Androgel does absolutely nothing for my
libido or impotence. Nada.

Now the other good part.......I was put on Viagra. No, nothing at all,
just a monster 3 day headache. No erection, no reaction what so ever.
No problem, I was then put on Levitra. I took it on Friday. I had a
hot date and thought that I would try it. I did feel somewhat excited.
I took it one hour before I thought things would happen. Things got
interesting and then.....nothing. Nothing at all. Ok. been there and
done that way too often. Used to it. Ok, Monday night afterwards, I
woke up in the middle of the night with a raging hardon. I ignored it
and it went away. Time to wake up and it was back and raging just as
hard. I was horny as all let out and had erections all through the day.
I had 3 orgasms through out the day. I have never been able to have more
than one. Tuesday was a repeat of Monday. Wednesday was the same as
Tuesday. Thursday it was all over. Anyway, the whole time from Fri.
to Thurs., I felt great anyway. Thursday I returned to my old self.
Hmmmm. Well I wait 2 weeks and my old self it the same. I decide to
try the Levitra again. Well, it is a repeat of the first time. Again
after 5 or 6 days it wears off and life goes back to humdrum and
flaccid. So, I wait another couple of weeks or so. Same old same old
no erections, no libido, no nothing. I take the Levitra again. The
same thing happens and lasts just as long as the first time. Wow!

I told my Urologist how the samples worked and he gave me a prescription
for them.

Side effects.....Great erections and ready anytime even with little
provocation. Great general state of well being. No headaches. No sinus
problems. The only problem is an LSD like visual disturbance. After so
long after taking a dose, there is a problem of seeing ghost images of
everything that I look at. Lights become mesmerizing and Sun light
takes on a purpleish color. Lights are much brighter so the day is much
brighter. It can be a trip. I got into a dark elevator once and the
control lights liked to have drove me crazy. I thought that I was going
to freak out.

I don't drink grapefruit juice nor anything like this. Why would one
dose last me 5 days?

My history again.....I am 44 yo. I have never had much of a libido.
Erections have usually not been good quality lasting only a few minutes.
Always have had difficulty reaching orgasm even if the erections comply.
I have had intercourse for 2 or more hours several times, all the time
keeping an erecton and not ever being able to reach orgasm. My
testosterone has always registered a "low normal". The last couple of
years my testosterone has finally gone below acceptable limits. One
packet a day of Androgel did not even raise the levels after 6 months on
it. Switched to the test gel in the little toothpaste tubes, Testim.
No difference. Back to the Androgel with 2 packets a day dosage.
Nothing for 4 months until recently then finally to a normal level.

Now I have to come off some of the gel because my blood hematocrit level
is too high and is too thick with red cells???

Can I not win for losing?

What are ya'll's thoughts on this.

10killer

Ignatz's Bricks

2005-11-11, 6:27 pm

tenkiller wrote:

> I was then put on Levitra. I took it on Friday. I had a
> hot date and thought that I would try it. I did feel somewhat excited.
> I took it one hour before I thought things would happen. Things got
> interesting and then.....nothing. Nothing at all. Ok. been there and
> done that way too often. Used to it. Ok, Monday night afterwards, I
> woke up in the middle of the night with a raging hardon. I ignored it
> and it went away. Time to wake up and it was back and raging just as
> hard. I was horny as all let out and had erections all through the day.

On some people, the _first_ time you use an erection aid, it takes a
very long time to work. It usually works quicker the next time. The
first time I tried Viagra, it took so long to cut in, that I did not
immediately associate the erection with the drug.

Another possible cause of an extremely delayed is that you are taking
too big a dose. This might explain 24 hours, but hardly three days.
Anyway, since it worked so well, try half a pill next time. It that
works quicker, try a quarter pill the next.

Ignatz's Bricks.

Muerta

2005-11-11, 6:27 pm

"tenkiller" <tenkiller@webtv.net> wrote in message
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>
> Now the bad part.......my Hematocrit level is too high, supposedly due
> to the Testosterone.

Not supposedly, bud. For sure. It's a common side effect of T replacement.
No big thing if it's not *real* high. As a matter of fact, it's not really
that terrible. For years athletes in the olympics would have their blood
drawn, the red blood cells seperated, and then put back in. This facilitates
more oxygen transport, and increases performance. The practice was called
"blood doping" and has since been banned.

If it disturbs you, it's easily rectified by giving blood on a regular
basis.

> Now the other bad part......the Androgel does absolutely nothing for my
> libido or impotence. Nada.
>

Welcome to gels. First of all, congrats on being able to reach 750 on a gel.
That really is a remarkable accomplishment.

As for the libibdo, get your E2 checked. Gels are infamous for aromatazing
like nothing else. The elevated estrone level causes T receptors to shut
down, and then, no matter how much free T you have, it might as well be
saline, because it ain't gonna be used.

Excess estrones = no libido.

A lot of us have been there.

Tappan

2005-11-11, 6:27 pm

On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 21:35:38 -0500, Ignatz's Bricks
<IgnatzBricks@aol.com.no.net> wrote:

>tenkiller wrote:
>
>
>On some people, the _first_ time you use an erection aid, it takes a
>very long time to work. It usually works quicker the next time. The
>first time I tried Viagra, it took so long to cut in, that I did not
>immediately associate the erection with the drug.

FWIW, I think he was referring to Levitra, not Viagra.

Tappan

2005-11-11, 6:27 pm

On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 21:00:46 -0500, tenkiller@webtv.net (tenkiller)
wrote:

>Well, I finally have a Testosterone level that is normal. I am on 2
>packets of Androgel a day and have been for 4 months. My last
>Testosterone level was 750. GREAT!!!
>
>Now the bad part.......my Hematocrit level is too high, supposedly due
>to the Testosterone. I don't remember what the level is but now the
>Androgel is going to be dosed at 2 pkts every other day.
>
>Now the other bad part......the Androgel does absolutely nothing for my
>libido or impotence. Nada.
>
>Now the other good part.......I was put on Viagra. No, nothing at all,
>just a monster 3 day headache. No erection, no reaction what so ever.
>No problem, I was then put on Levitra. I took it on Friday. I had a
>hot date and thought that I would try it. I did feel somewhat excited.
>I took it one hour before I thought things would happen. Things got
>interesting and then.....nothing. Nothing at all. Ok. been there and
>done that way too often. Used to it. Ok, Monday night afterwards, I
>woke up in the middle of the night with a raging hardon. I ignored it
>and it went away. Time to wake up and it was back and raging just as
>hard. I was horny as all let out and had erections all through the day.

I was of the understanding that ED med's didn't help with libido, only
erections.

Is this not the case with Levitra?

>I had 3 orgasms through out the day. I have never been able to have more
>than one. Tuesday was a repeat of Monday. Wednesday was the same as
>Tuesday. Thursday it was all over. Anyway, the whole time from Fri.
>to Thurs., I felt great anyway.

You had an enhancement of your mood on this med or you felt great
because you could have sex again?

Wanderer

2005-11-11, 6:27 pm

On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 1:43:51 -0500, Tappan wrote
(in message <9b9rm1dbf98stsr86q1732tiu75k03cgpf@4ax.com> ):

> On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 21:00:46 -0500, tenkiller@webtv.net (tenkiller)
> wrote:
>
>
> I was of the understanding that ED med's didn't help with libido, only
> erections.
>
> Is this not the case with Levitra?

Subjectively, a number of Cialis users (including myself) report libido
boosts while using the drug. I have limited experience with Levitra, but I
think it is easily possible that it contributes to libido. The pathway
between sexual ideation and an erection is subtle and mysterious, and it may
be a two-way loop -- i.e., once you are more capable of erections, your
libido increases, although none of the pharmaceutical companies make any such
claim for their ED meds.

>
> You had an enhancement of your mood on this med or you felt great
> because you could have sex again?
\

I suspect that one of the contributing factors to this situation is the
estradiol situation as Muerta has surmised. Once the testosterone levels are
jacked up, estradiol levels may fluctuate from day to day due a variety of
factors. When the estradiol levels are high, libido vanishes. When they
subside, libido increases. It sounds like the combination of TRT and Levitra
works for this poster. That's the good news. The bad news may be estradiol
levels. Get your estradiol checked with your next blood work. You may want to
switch from the gel to another form of TRT which tends to produce fewer
estrogen problems -- i.e., self-injections of T-cypionate. Creates more
stable levels of T in the body, and lower estradiol levels (for most).

Wanderer

tenkiller

2005-11-11, 6:27 pm

I have been doing a little reading on the net and it seems that Levitra
does have an antidepressant effect in some people. I feel great while
it is in my system. It also is a great feeling to be having morning
erections days after taking it (something I have not had since my teens.
I am 44). Erections also wake me up at night. I also have spontaneous
erections. Something else I have not had since my teens.

tenkiller

2005-11-11, 6:27 pm

Oh yes, all of my other hormones, i.e. LH, FSH, estrodiol et al the
rest of the Alphabet soup, are in "normal range".

Muerta

2005-11-11, 6:27 pm

"Wanderer" <unlikely@nowhere.net> wrote in message
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> Subjectively, a number of Cialis users (including myself) report libido
> boosts while using the drug.

Years ago, someone in this group made a wise observation, can't remember
who, but if they're still around, here's to ya'.

In it's rawest form, they observed:

"Nothing boosts the libido like a stiff dick".

Man, troof be told.

Mr. Softy

2005-11-11, 6:27 pm

"Muerta" <not@home.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Wanderer" <unlikely@nowhere.net> wrote in message
> news:0001HW.BF935B7D004EA04DF0284550@news.bellatlantic.net...
>
>
>
> Years ago, someone in this group made a wise observation, can't remember
> who, but if they're still around, here's to ya'.
>
> In it's rawest form, they observed:
>
> "Nothing boosts the libido like a stiff dick".
>
> Man, troof be told.

It's the old "chicken or egg" argument.

Ignatz's Bricks

2005-11-11, 6:27 pm

Tappan wrote:
> On Fri, 04 Nov 2005, Ignatz's Bricks wrote:

>
>
> FWIW, I think he was referring to Levitra, not Viagra.

That was a general statement about all three (Levitra, Cialis and
Viagra) for some people, including myself.

nast2112@comcast.net

2005-11-11, 6:27 pm

I just had my free T checked and it was 16.9. I am 39 and the normal
range listed for men 30-39 is 8.7 to 25.1. I use Androgel daily. So
are you saying that I should take something like DIM or should I switch
to Depo-T?

Thanks
Chris

nast2112@comcast.net

2005-11-11, 6:27 pm

What doses are good starting doses or typical? What do men find best,
every week, every 2 weeks, etc.,.?

Thanks
Chris

Muerta

2005-11-11, 6:27 pm

<nast2112@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>I just had my free T checked and it was 16.9. I am 39 and the normal
> range listed for men 30-39 is 8.7 to 25.1. I use Androgel daily. So
> are you saying that I should take something like DIM or should I switch
> to Depo-T?
>
> Thanks
> Chris
>

I'll throw in comments on both. How much androgel are you using?

What problems/benfits are you having?

Have you had your estrones (E2) checked?

DIM has helped a lot of us with estrone issues, as always, it's up to the
individual to see what works well for them.

Depo-T (Testosterone cypionate), most popular dosage over all has been
100-125mg weekly. This bypasses estrogen over-production, and the "roller
coaster effect".

If you're not in the U.S., and I assume you're not from your lab results,
you might want to look at "sustanon", it's a blend of fast/slow acting
testosterones that are used in other countries that I have heard are
superior in effect to T-cypionate.

Muerta

2005-11-11, 6:27 pm

Muerta

2005-11-11, 6:28 pm

"Muerta" <not@home.com> wrote in message
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Man, I have absolutely no idea how that got posted twice.

Muerta...aka "Noob of the day".