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| Here is the text of the letter. Wish I could have sent a scan of the
document, with its official seal on it. I had placed an order for 60
generic Viagra tablets. Of course I am not going to be foolish enough to
sign and return the form to them, which would give them a document with my
signature on it that confirmed I had placed the order.
Dear Madam/Sir:
This is to notify you that the U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) has
interdicted a package addressed to you that contains controlled substances
on Sep 16, 2004. Please be advised that title 21, Code of Federal
Regulations, Sections 1312.11 and 1312.12 (21 CFR 1312.1 and 1312.12),
prohibit the importation of controlled substances without the express
authorization of the Drug Enforcement Administration
(DEA).
Unauthorized importations of controlled substances are subject to seizure
and forfeiture under the provisions of title 19, United States Code, Section
1595a(c)(1)(B). However, CBP has decided to allow you the option of
voluntarily abandoning the property to the Government after which it will be
destroyed in accordance with 41 CFR 102-36 at the Government's expense. You
may elect to do nothing in response to this notice. If you elect to do
nothing, the controlled substances will be considered abandoned after 30
days and destroyed. Finally, you may elect to request that CBP commence
seizure and forfeiture proceedings to allow you the opportunity to engage in
a formal legal process to petition for the return of the property. Please be
advised that no relief from seizure is available unless you are registered
with the DEA and have the express written authorization of the DEA to import
the controlled substances.
Enclosed is an election of proceedings document. Please indicate your
election, sign, date, and return the document to the address indicated on
the document. For future reference, enclosed is a public service
announcement that warns the general public of the dangers associated with
importations of pharmaceuticals. Please note that future attempts to import
controlled substances may result in personal penalties or criminal
prosecution.
<your.name@here> wrote in message
news:iu0cl05vurpuip1595bsj9bh4qgl2eu80e@4ax.com...
> "Jaxon" <jason@nospam> wrote:
>
>
> Would be nice to see a scan of that letter... Would also be nice to know
> what
> quantity was in the order.
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| I have heard back from Overture Pharmacy, that they have reshipped. I sure
hope it goes through this time!
< @X. > wrote in message news:acrhl0991n20p7ikd6r9f7qn5ud4f5lki0@4ax.com...
> Typical Customs seizure. Look at post marks and such just to assure
> yourself it is really from Customs. Scammers have been known to send
> fake seizure letters in leu of product but most seizure letters are
> legit.
>
> You are correct in your response. Simply ignore the letter and that
> is the end of any legal action. You don't have to worry about any
> legal follow up or repercussions. Customs themselves spells out
> exactly what they are going to do to you if you ignore the letter.
> They will destroy your pills and that is the end of that. You have
> ZERO chance of winning an argument with them to release your shipment,
> but you are in no trouble whatsoever either.
>
> That leaves the issue of, you are out your money. Once customs seizes
> your pills, they are gone. You cant fight it, no matter what the
> letter says. Seizure equals gone for good. Where does this leave
> you? In the worst case, you are out your money and have no recourse
> against anyone. Your best bet is politely contact the overseas
> shipper, explain to them the shipment has been seized and politely ask
> if they would be willing to reship it at no cost. Good overseas
> sources know seizures happen from time to time and are part of the
> cost of doing business that way. Good sources figure, better to take
> a loss on an order then create a disgruntled customer. Thus often the
> overseas shippers will volunteer to eat the loss and reship for free.
> You should offer to send a copy of the seizure letter to them as well.
>
> Of course they are under no obligation to reship free and if they
> don't you are SOL. You have no recourse against anyone. It is the
> risk you take.
>
> Good luck getting reshipped. Ignore the letter and sleep tight
> knowing no goon squad is going to kick in you door over it. No legal
> repercussions whatsoever. Legally it is a nonevent.
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| Just A Guy 2004-10-03, 7:16 pm |
| Oh so innocently, jn (jeddak@nospam remarked:
>...My order included some antibiotics and
>sleep aids...stuff the doctor could
>call the pharmacy on the telephone to
>prescribe...
MOST sleep aids are controlled substances. If you were trying to import
controlled substances, you're probably lucky they confiscated it,
instead of delivering it and busting you on a federal felony.
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| "Jaxon" <jason@nospam> wrote:
>This is to notify you that the U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) has
>interdicted a package addressed to you that contains controlled substances
>on Sep 16, 2004. Please be advised that title 21, Code of Federal
>Regulations, Sections 1312.11 and 1312.12 (21 CFR 1312.1 and 1312.12),
>prohibit the importation of controlled substances without the express
>authorization of the Drug Enforcement Administration
>(DEA).
Something's not right here. The sections cited above mostly have to do with
narcotics, psychotropics and other controlled substances. You can easily find
them at www.fda.gov. Sildenafil is not a controlled substance.
I wouldn't sign anything and I wouldn't worry about it.
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| No, not controlled substances. as I said, stuff that a prescxription could
be phoned in for. Controlled substances require a written prescription with
no refills. You are thinking of class 2 narcotics, which are controlled
substances.
"Just A Guy" <amomynous@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:4807-415CD444-397@storefull-3138.bay.webtv.net...
> Oh so innocently, jn (jeddak@nospam remarked:
>
>
> MOST sleep aids are controlled substances. If you were trying to import
> controlled substances, you're probably lucky they confiscated it,
> instead of delivering it and busting you on a federal felony.
>
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| I posted the scan of the letter I received. I received a letter from US
Customs that my order had been seized because it contained controlled
substances. My order was entirely generic Viagra, and Customs called THAT a
"controlled substance."
"Just A Guy" <amomynous@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:4807-415CD444-397@storefull-3138.bay.webtv.net...
> Oh so innocently, jn (jeddak@nospam remarked:
>
>
> MOST sleep aids are controlled substances. If you were trying to import
> controlled substances, you're probably lucky they confiscated it,
> instead of delivering it and busting you on a federal felony.
>
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| Just A Guy 2004-10-03, 7:16 pm |
| This is a double reply.
To jeddak, who said he ordered[vbcol=seagreen]
and then denied that he ordered a controlled substance.
For the second and last time, MOST sleep aids ARE controlled substances.
Exceptions to this statement are diphenhydramine and doxylamine (both
available in the US inexpensively and without prescription) and
trazodone (which requires a prescription but is relatively inexpensive.)
I CHALLENGE anyone to name another sleep aid which is not a controlled
substance. (I reject melatonin, chamomile, risperdal, and seroquel as
being sleep aids.)
Jeddak, you have a flawed understanding of the definition of a
controlled substance. Martha Stewart also had a flawed understanding of
the rules, or chose not to obey them...
So, just WHAT was this harmless little "sleep aid?"
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
Finally to jason/jaxon, who clearly states he received the "controlled
substance" letter when he ordered ONLY viagra, this raises interesting
questions. Is customs misusing the term "controlled substance?" Do they
not understand what a "controlled substance" is? I find these
possibilities unlikely. I could see them being lazy, and using this form
letter as a way to foster a political agenda, namely to discourage
importation of pharmaceuticals.
I think it would be fun to see you put up a bit of a fight. At a
minimum, call them up and complain that you bought Viagra, not a CS, and
raise a little hell with them. Buying V from India is no different, in
principle, than old ladies buying blood pressure meds from Canada. If
they start seizing blood pressure meds under provisions of the
Controlled Substances Act, this would be a frank abuse of power and
probably an illegal action on the part of government. Rather like giving
you a speeding ticket, when your parking meter was expired.
The possibility also exists, in theory, that somewhere along the line
your package was contaminated with some residue of a controlled
substance, and a drug sniffing dog detected it. I'll bet that they would
then open the package, and seeing any kind of a pharmaceutical product,
they would simply assume it to be a CS and impound it.
Again, since you only ordered Viagra, and most people here believe that
you can legally import small amounts for personal use, it would be fun
to see you mess with them. Of course, I understand your reluctance to
take on "city hall." Finally, anyone who has travelled abroad knows
that when you return, Customs has far broader powers over you than the
average cop on the street. I suppose the same standard exists for mail
going thru customs, and we're probably just spinning our wheels.
Probably just wait a month, order from a different company, and cross
your fingers.
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| Garald 2004-10-07, 2:09 am |
| I take exception to some of the statements makde by "Just a
Guy".....he is infering that "jn" tried to commit a felony by ordering
from an online pharmacy in India. These online pharmacies are not
stupid...at least I assume they are not stupid, and would not list
durgs for sale and ship them out to the USA knowing they would be
confiscated and destroyed by US Customs. I looked at the list of
controlled substance drugs at fda.gov, and they are all what I would
assume to be controlled substances. If "jn" committed a felony, then
I have committed a felony many times over the past two years. I now
order most of the pharmaceuticals for my wife, children, and myself,
as well as my parents and my wife's parents all from pharmacies in
India. The only thing we buy locally is what comes up as have to have
now. This has included lipitor from my dad, antidepressants for my
mother and my wife's mother, and yes, I have ordered sleep medications
for both of our sets of parents, and everything has breezed through
customs just fine, with one exception. One time an order for
tadalafil (generic Cialis) was confiscated by customs, about six
months ago, and the letter I got said my package contained a
"controlled substance." Go figure!!
I say again that it is not logical that the pharmacy in India would
list medications for sale, and ship them if the medication is on the
"controlled substance" list that customs uses. Unless the phramacists
in India are truly stupid. They would not in all that is logical set
their customers up for federal prosecution or set themselves up for
international prosecution.
On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 08:49:58 -0500, amomynous@webtv.net (Just A Guy)
wrote:
>This is a double reply.
>
>To jeddak, who said he ordered
>and then denied that he ordered a controlled substance.
>For the second and last time, MOST sleep aids ARE controlled substances.
>Exceptions to this statement are diphenhydramine and doxylamine (both
>available in the US inexpensively and without prescription) and
>trazodone (which requires a prescription but is relatively inexpensive.)
>I CHALLENGE anyone to name another sleep aid which is not a controlled
>substance. (I reject melatonin, chamomile, risperdal, and seroquel as
>being sleep aids.)
> Jeddak, you have a flawed understanding of the definition of a
>controlled substance. Martha Stewart also had a flawed understanding of
>the rules, or chose not to obey them...
> So, just WHAT was this harmless little "sleep aid?"
>
>/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
>
>Finally to jason/jaxon, who clearly states he received the "controlled
>substance" letter when he ordered ONLY viagra, this raises interesting
>questions. Is customs misusing the term "controlled substance?" Do they
>not understand what a "controlled substance" is? I find these
>possibilities unlikely. I could see them being lazy, and using this form
>letter as a way to foster a political agenda, namely to discourage
>importation of pharmaceuticals.
>
>I think it would be fun to see you put up a bit of a fight. At a
>minimum, call them up and complain that you bought Viagra, not a CS, and
>raise a little hell with them. Buying V from India is no different, in
>principle, than old ladies buying blood pressure meds from Canada. If
>they start seizing blood pressure meds under provisions of the
>Controlled Substances Act, this would be a frank abuse of power and
>probably an illegal action on the part of government. Rather like giving
>you a speeding ticket, when your parking meter was expired.
>
>The possibility also exists, in theory, that somewhere along the line
>your package was contaminated with some residue of a controlled
>substance, and a drug sniffing dog detected it. I'll bet that they would
>then open the package, and seeing any kind of a pharmaceutical product,
>they would simply assume it to be a CS and impound it.
>
>Again, since you only ordered Viagra, and most people here believe that
>you can legally import small amounts for personal use, it would be fun
>to see you mess with them. Of course, I understand your reluctance to
>take on "city hall." Finally, anyone who has travelled abroad knows
>that when you return, Customs has far broader powers over you than the
>average cop on the street. I suppose the same standard exists for mail
>going thru customs, and we're probably just spinning our wheels.
>Probably just wait a month, order from a different company, and cross
>your fingers.
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| You forgot one when you said there is also trazodone... what I ordered was
clonidine...which although officially an antihypertensive, or high blood
pressure medication, is also an excellent sleep aid. I resent being labeled
a felon, or an attempted felon.
Just A Guy" <amomynous@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:29608-415D6086-281@storefull-3131.bay.webtv.net...
> This is a double reply.
>
> To jeddak, who said he ordered
> and then denied that he ordered a controlled substance.
> For the second and last time, MOST sleep aids ARE controlled substances.
> Exceptions to this statement are diphenhydramine and doxylamine (both
> available in the US inexpensively and without prescription) and
> trazodone (which requires a prescription but is relatively inexpensive.)
> I CHALLENGE anyone to name another sleep aid which is not a controlled
> substance. (I reject melatonin, chamomile, risperdal, and seroquel as
> being sleep aids.)
> Jeddak, you have a flawed understanding of the definition of a
> controlled substance. Martha Stewart also had a flawed understanding of
> the rules, or chose not to obey them...
> So, just WHAT was this harmless little "sleep aid?"
>
> /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
>
>
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| Sucker! Everything you mention that you have ordered is a controlled
substance! Yes, I would say you have been committing felonies. Also, dear
crybabies, did you read the fine print in the disclaimers at the websites
you ordered from? I only ordered Viagra from India one time, and Customs
took it, and sent me the same letter you guys got, calling it a controlled
substance, and that was enough for me. Go back to the website where you
ordered your stuff, and read very carefully. All the India pharmacies claim
no responsibility for customs taking your order. You are just out your
money, and you can be thankful you aren't in prison.
"Garald" <notgonna@give.out> wrote in message
news:smg8m05uq3f7gpb6vjshgrk5gq03of673c@4ax.com...
> To clarify what I said about the list at fda.gov, the list of
> controlled substances is what I had understood it to be, which is also
> what "jn" understood it to be:" mainly class 2 narcotics and other
> substances, which a doctor can not phone or fax to the pharmacy, but
> which a written prescription must be presented for each sale, no
> refills allowed. I have ordered generic prozac, paxil, ambien,
> buspar, and others, and never a problem going through Customs....just
> the one order for generic Cialis, which Customs called a controlled
> substance.
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