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"The One True Zhen Jue" <Andrew_Kingoff@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Look for this post to be nuked. Like the last one under this name.
Subject changed: Paranoia Spread by Jan Drew
"The One True Zhen Jue" <Andrew_King...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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[note that post is gone.. Typical, Andrew must have nuked it]
Searched all groups Results 1 - 8 of 8 for "suffer needlessly"
author:jdrew63929@aol.com (0.26
http://groups.google.com/group/alt....1a1773ff?hl=en&
Two reasons. As I have preciously explained. These LIES are causing many
to SEARCH and SUFFER..needlessly.
The One True Zhen Jue" <Andrew_Kingoff@yahoo.com
http://www-sop.inria.fr/mistral/personnel/Zhen.Liu/
http://www.pacificnet.net/jue/families/index.html
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/hills/6365/
The Family Connection is more than a net ring - its a wonderful group of
people who have joined together to build a family friendly place on the
internet.
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by asking that people
not quote his prior endorsment of amalgam removal.
No, he did not ask *people* he asked *me*
It appears that he,
unlike Jan, doesn't want others to suffer unnecessarily.
Oh, really. Care to prove that?
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http://groups.google.com/group/misc...21ec5fe81d8a932
Subject: Bill for Banning Amalgam Reintroduced
Sept 7 2006
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From: "James Drew (Suffering Mightily)" <suffering_james_d...@yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: Bill for Banning Amalgam Reintroduced
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Jan Drew wrote:
> "Sdores" <sdo...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> http://groups.google.com/group/misc...ad2f81bc?hl=en&
>
> Nov 1 2005
>
> I've asked this before Peter but I would like if you would your opinion on
> this. Why does the mercury in amalgams effect only a few and why aren't
> more dentists and others in the dental field that have contact with it
> have
> poisoning? UM MOM Susan
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/misc...3561b614?hl=en&
>
> "Sdores" <sdo...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> I realize you are asking, Peter.
>
> The FACT is, *I* have answered both of these questioned MANY times.
>
The FACT, Jan, is that you lie about amalgams & thimerosal. The FACT
is that this song reminds me of you, dear Jan.
Sung to the tune of Heavy Metal by Don Felder, not the song of the same
title by Sammy Hagar. It wouldn't hurt to hear the song before reading
this...)
Light a cig up & booze awhile
Leave the truth far behind
You can vent your rage at the ADA
Or claim that all the Jews here are liars
But if you're ready to lie into overdrive
Boyd Haley's the man you need
To post lies so insane
Debunked and arcane
You must become a Heavy Metal deceiver
Once you tell Boyd's lies, lies, lies
'bout Heavy Metals
It's the only thing gives you purpose in this life
Spreading lies, lies, lies, lies
'bout Heavy Metals
Facts denied
Lying 'bout thimerosal
My, oh my, how this bigot can lie
When she starts cutting & pasting
She won't put down her booze
Nor acknowledge the truth
She didn't get that author's permission
It's not a big surprise
Jan thought loa parasites
Were thriving inside of her colon
Jan searched through her pooh
As Hulda said to do
Then became a Heavy Metal deceiver
Once you tell Boyd's lies, lies, lies
'bout Heavy Metals
It's the only thing gives you purpose in this life
Spreading lies, lies, lies, lies
'bout Heavy Metals
Facts denied
Lying 'bout thimerosal
Heavy Metals 5x and fade out
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From: Andrew_King...@yahoo.com
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,sci.med.dentistry
Subject: Re: FDA admits Mercury in dentistry MIGHT indeed be HARMFUL
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PeterB wrote:
> David Wright wrote:
>
> Ok, let's ask everyone who knows they are allergic to the other
> materials to choose something with mercury in it, in case the risk of
> alzheimers, multiple sclerosis, or early death is more appealing to
> them. [ref. Bates MN, Fawcett J, Garrett N, Cutress T, Kjellstrom T.
> The beneficial effect of amalgam replacement on health in patients with
> autoimmunity. Neuro Endocrinol Lett. 2004 Jun;25(3):211-8. PMID
> 15349088.]
>
> PeterB
Peterb, you've sited a non-replicated study of 35 people without a
control group. Is it the best evidence you could find? You always
demand much higher standards for other procedures and pharmaceuticals.
Why settle for so much less when dealing with the risky process of
removing amalgams from people who already have autoimmune disorders?
If I recall correctly, you said: "I could care less how people make a
living, Markey. The issue is whether a product or medical procedure
puts the public at undue risk." Amalgam removal has clear risks and
nebulous benefits. It is far more profitable to removal than install
amalgams. (Do follow the money, Peterb.)
What are the benefits of amalgam removal? Let's ask someone with
real-life experience with autoimmune disease and amalgams. After all,
on MHA, real-life experience always trumps objectively verifiable,
replicable studes. Let's ask someone who is clearly in favor of health
alternatives. Let's ask someone who is a supporter of Jan and shares
much of her distrust of mainstream medicine. Let's ask someone whose
comments have been archived on this newsgroup (MHA) for several years.
At first, Rod, thought that amalgam removal had greatly improved his
condition (RA).
http://groups.google.com/group/misc...9cdfb908a196ead
More recently, Rod wrote:
http://groups.google.com/group/misc...593e7afc21ab4f6
The first lines reading:
--------------------
From: Rod - view profile
Date: Tues, Jun 7 2005 9:25 am
Email: "Rod" <deniecer...@hotmail.com>
Hi Jan,
Well that is what I wrote nearly three years ago and since that time I
would
say that my health has not improved markedly and has continued to
decline.
More so over the past 12 months.
------------------
He closes with
-----------
"I would ask that you respect my wishes by not quoting my remarks of
2002 as
certainly in 2005, things are not looking decidedly better. I wish this
was
not the case though.
Wishing I could report better times.
Sincerely, Rod
------------
Let's also take a look at Jan's experience with amalgam removal. It is
quite like Rod's. At first it seemed to work, but that isn't how
things actually turned out. Jan's claims of health improvements were
clearly disproven with her own words.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt....f3eaa011?hl=en&
>On June 17, 1999 Jan posted to usenet:
However, the link below shows us that Jan's "relief", like
Rod's, was not due to the reduction of mercury. The amount of
mercury in their bloodstream was actually higher at the time of the
reported relief. Over time, the relief declined and their prior health
problems remained and even worsened.
http://groups.google.com/group/sci....2d1386ab?hl=en&
Now, in light of the real-life, personal experience of two of MHA's
most pro-alternative posters, what do you see? You see ill-informed
people getting taken advantage of by someone who enjoys a large
financial gain. You see both of these people initially thought they
were better off. Time has shown that it was all an illusion born of
suggestibility. Having so much time, money, belief, and pain invested
into this process, they wanted to believe despite the facts. Their
experience is far from unusual.
What is unusual is for people so heavily invested to consider they made
a mistake. I salute Rod for not only admitting this to himself, but
also to the readers of MHA. He went even further by asking that people
not quote his prior endorsment of amalgam removal. It appears that he,
unlike Jan, doesn't want others to suffer unnecessarily.
Kudos, Rod! I only hope your cautionary tale isn't lost on these
closed-minded types.
Cues:
Cue Jan to respond with rabid antisemitism.
Cue her to justify her hatred against all jews because she doesn't like
me. Cue her to say that lying comes second nature to all jews.
Cue her to ignore the clear debunking of amalgam removal and continue
to lie about her experience.
Cue Peterb to ignore these real-life experiences of real-life
supporters of alternative methods.
Cue Peterb to accuse me of being on BigPharma's payroll.
Cue Peterb not to site any better quality studies in favor of amalgam
removal.
Sad, that.
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From: "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net>
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Excerpt:
EVIDENCE-BASED FEAR SPREAD BY THE MEDICAL PROFESSION
32 WAYS THAT DOCTORS PUT YOUR LIFE AND HEALTH IN DANGER BY NOT TELLING YOU
THE WHOLE TRUTH OR GIVING YOU ALL THE OPTIONS
1. According to a report in Alternative Therapies in 2003, the modern
hospital is an exceedingly dangerous place. Approximately 225,000 Americans
die in hospitals annually from the side effects of medications and because
of medical errors. Another 103,000 die each year from the 2 million
infections that they catch after they are admitted to the hospital (one
infection for every 20 admissions). Hospitalization is the third-leading
cause of death. Only cancer and heart disease kill more.
2. Outpatient drug side effects are responsible for sending
25,000-50,000 patients per year to the hospital. Cohen, Overdose
3. Permanent brain damage is noted in 42-80% of people as a
complication of undergoing bypass surgery. Family Practice News
4. 80% of bypass surgery is unnecessary, according to Harvard
University. Although not recommended by Harvard, chelation therapy is a
much safer treatment for coronary artery and other vascular problems.
Grayboys
5. At least 75% of coronary artery catheterizations are unnecessary,
also according to Harvard. And once in a while someone dies from this test.
Once you get such a test, minor abnormalities are often found that the
doctor uses to pressure you into having unnecessary surgery. Grayboys
6. If you are in the hospital, the chances are good that your insurance
company will pressure your doctor to send you home before you are ready, to
save them money.
AMA News
7. One of the most common orthopedic surgeries, arthroscopic surgery of
the knee, gets worse results than a sham surgery that creates a wound but
does nothing else.
Family Practice News
8. For most cases of coronary artery disease, the mortality rate is no
better with surgical therapy than with medical therapy. We do far more
bypass procedures in the USA than anywhere else. JAMA
9. A major hospital chain (Tenet) in California in 2003 paid a $54
million fine because doctors at their hospitals performed hundreds of
unnecessary invasive cardiac procedures-including some that led to death-to
increase profits. This is the tip of the iceberg. AMA News
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From: jking...@aol.com (JKingoff)
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Fair enough.
Email me with the details at:
andrew_king...@yahoo.com[http://www.kingoffacupuncture.com/ Andrew Kingoff,
L.Ac. State License]
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>
> PeterB wrote:
>
> Why in the world would you say such a thing?
>
> Here's a definitive source which shows that Johnson & Johnson is # 11.
> No other pharm company placed as high and J&J isn't purely pharma.
> Pfizer (pronounced Puh-Fizur) placed 14th and Procter & Gamble is 19th.
> P&G is only marignally pharma, but let's just lump it into that group
> for convenience sake.
>
> Top companies
> Most Profitable Companies: Profits
>
> 1 Exxon Mobil 36,130.0
> 2 Citigroup 24,589.0
> 3 Bank of America Corp. 16,465.0
> 4 General Electric 16,353.0
> 5 Chevron 14,099.0
> 6 ConocoPhillips 13,529.0
> 7 Microsoft 12,254.0
> 8 Wal-Mart Stores 11,231.0
> 9 American Intl. Group 10,477.0
> 10 Altria Group 10,435.0
> 11 Johnson & Johnson 10,411.0
> 12 Intel 8,664.0
> 13 Berkshire Hathaway 8,528.0
> 14 J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. 8,483.0
> 15 Pfizer 8,085.0
> 16 Intl. Business Machines 7,934.0
> 17 Wells Fargo 7,671.0
> 18 Verizon Communications 7,397.0
> 19 Procter & Gamble 7,257.0
> 20 Wachovia Corp. 6,643.0
>
> How did the pharmaceutical industry as a WHOLE perform?
>
> http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fort...euticals/1.html
>
> So, Peterb says that the profits of the top 10 drug makers is greater
> than that of the other fortune 490. Exxon alone made 36.1 billion and
> all of the Pharma companies combined made slightly less than $42
> billion; 85% of All Pharma. That alone disproves Peterb's statement.
>
> Now, let's count the top ten companies and compare them to that $42
> billion. That's 165 billion for the top 10 fortune 500 (No Pharma
> companies made the top 10) versues $42 billion. To the average person,
> that looks like the top 10 out profited all 19 Pharma companies by
> nearly 4 to 1. Yet, to Peterb, the more "likely" number should show
> the reverse.
>
> If Peterb could make such a mistake, is it possible that he has made
> other mathematical errors? Perhaps he's made inaccurate statements
> about chemistry due to his confusion with the subject matter. Perhaps
> Peterb has made unfounded speculation about vaccination, thimerisol,
> and good ole' fashioned amalgam fillings. Perhaps, too, Peterb could
> be mistaken in his beliefs about people he's never met, their
> identities, and their occupations.
>
> Yup, this Peterb fellow has a recurring problem with facts. They have
> a way of confounding his pet theories and paranoid obsessions. Must be
> some kind of financial agenda....
>
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