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| Happy Dog 2006-07-30, 9:24 pm |
| "Doc John" <johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote in message
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> Organon is in the dictionary. 
> http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictiona...nary&va=organon
>
> And, now my website covers this brillant treatise on the fundamental
> beliefs of most forms of Western alternative medicine.
> http://naturalhealthperspective.com...ls/organon.html
To date, nobody has ever been able to detect the "vital force" using any
fair means in a controlled setting. Nobody has ever been able to reliably
differentiate between a highly diluted homeopathic remedy (>11C) and the
original dilute in the above way either. In fact, nobody has ever proposed
a means by which this could be done in a way that would have obvious
confirming or denying results to an impartial observer. Until you-all can
correct this, homeopathy remains above the giggle-threshold.
m
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| Mr. Natural-Health 2006-07-31, 8:28 am |
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Happy Dog wrote:
> "Doc John" <johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote in message
> news:1154286744.703211.212530@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> To date, nobody has ever been able to detect the "vital force" using any
> fair means in a controlled setting.
Vital force is called life, without it you are dead.
Just thought that the Academic A-Hole might want to get real.
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| D. C. Sessions 2006-07-31, 8:28 am |
| In message <1154346361.795621.92810@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, Mr.
Natural-Health wrote:
>
> Happy Dog wrote:
>
>
> Vital force is called life, without it you are dead.
>
> Just thought that the Academic A-Hole might want to get real.
In that case, all of the handwaving about "disturbances in the
vital force" are just noise -- they don't tell the listener any
more than she already knew.
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| Happy Dog 2006-07-31, 9:25 pm |
| "Mr. Natural-Health" <johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com>
> Happy Dog wrote:
>
>
> Vital force is called life, without it you are dead.
Not according to the references provided on your site. And, in any case,
the Vital Force is considered to be a type of energy of a type not covered
by any current physical theory.
moo
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| Mr. Natural-Health 2006-08-01, 8:29 am |
| Happy Dog wrote:
> "Mr. Natural-Health" <johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com>
>
>
> Not according to the references provided on your site. And, in any case,
> the Vital Force is considered to be a type of energy of a type not covered
> by any current physical theory.
Vital force is called life, without it you are dead.
You are the one one who is calling it a type of energy of a type not
covered by any current physical theory rather than me.
Vital force is the difference between a person, or plant for that
matter, that is alive one that is dead. If you don't know the
difference between dead and alive then you truly need to get a new job.
Just thought that you might want to know that you are truly both
obnoxious and stupid.
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| Happy Dog 2006-08-01, 4:40 pm |
| "Mr. Natural-Health" <johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote in
message news:1154432925.
Happy Dog wrote:
>
> Vital force is called life, without it you are dead.
>
> You are the one one who is calling it a type of energy of a type not
> covered by any current physical theory rather than me.
The two term are not interchangeable. "Vital Force" is a thing proposed by
homeopathic believers to explain an "energy" that is responsible for the
health of a living organism. When it is "disturbed", the organism is
"unhealthy". Homeopathic medicine is believed to have a direct effect on
this "force".
http://www.naturalholistic.com/handouts/primer.htm
> Vital force is the difference between a person, or plant for that
> matter, that is alive one that is dead. If you don't know the
> difference between dead and alive then you truly need to get a new job.
You can claim that a living thing has "Vital Force" and a dead thing
doesn't. But it isn't really very helpful in identifying what the force is
or how it can be observed. Your description is like saying that "panache"
is life because dead people don't have it.
moo
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| Juhana Harju 2006-08-01, 4:40 pm |
| Happy Dog wrote:
: "Mr. Natural-Health" <johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote in
: message news:1154432925.
: Happy Dog wrote:
:::: Vital force is called life, without it you are dead.
:::
::: Not according to the references provided on your site. And, in any
::: case, the Vital Force is considered to be a type of energy of a
::: type not covered
::: by any current physical theory.
::
:: Vital force is called life, without it you are dead.
::
:: You are the one one who is calling it a type of energy of a type not
:: covered by any current physical theory rather than me.
:
: The two term are not interchangeable. "Vital Force" is a thing
: proposed by homeopathic believers to explain an "energy" that is
: responsible for the health of a living organism. When it is
: "disturbed", the organism is "unhealthy". Homeopathic medicine is
: believed to have a direct effect on this "force".
:
: http://www.naturalholistic.com/handouts/primer.htm
:
:: Vital force is the difference between a person, or plant for that
:: matter, that is alive one that is dead. If you don't know the
:: difference between dead and alive then you truly need to get a new
:: job.
:
: You can claim that a living thing has "Vital Force" and a dead thing
: doesn't. But it isn't really very helpful in identifying what the
: force is or how it can be observed. Your description is like saying
: that "panache" is life because dead people don't have it.
It should be realised that the homeopathic language-game differs from the
scientific language-game. Only after this understanding can there be
meaningful discussion between these two approaches, IMHO.
--
Juhana
"All facts are theory-laden"
- Paul Feyerabend
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| Mr. Natural-Health 2006-08-01, 9:26 pm |
| Happy Dog wrote:
> "Mr. Natural-Health" <johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote in
> message news:1154432925.
> Happy Dog wrote:
>
> The two term are not interchangeable.
What 2 terms? Again, you appear to be totally drunk!!!!
> "Vital Force" is a thing proposed by
> homeopathic believers to explain an "energy" that is responsible for the
> health of a living organism. When it is "disturbed", the organism is
> "unhealthy". Homeopathic medicine is believed to have a direct effect on
> this "force".
Well, if you were to read my web page it says that it would be entirely
possible to re-write the Organon to update its use of language and to
completely drop all references to Homeopathy.
Of course, this little detail is too much for the A-Hole Academic to
comprehend. Could because you are drunk?
> http://www.naturalholistic.com/handouts/primer.htm
>
>
> You can claim that a living thing has "Vital Force" and a dead thing
> doesn't. But it isn't really very helpful in identifying what the force is
> or how it can be observed.
Boy are you stupid!!! And, I do NOT mind saying so.
You are not suppose to know what it is, Dumb XXX. Section #1: The role
of the physician is to carter to the needs of the patient. The patient
always comes first, NOT your thoughtless need for intellectual
stimulation.
You are a complete and abject idiot. Just thought that you might want
to know.
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| Robert 2006-08-01, 9:26 pm |
|
"Mr. Natural-Health" <johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote in
message news:1154468983.427175.151260@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Happy Dog wrote:
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>
> What 2 terms? Again, you appear to be totally drunk!!!!
>
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>
> Well, if you were to read my web page it says that it would be entirely
> possible to re-write the Organon to update its use of language and to
> completely drop all references to Homeopathy.
>
> Of course, this little detail is too much for the A-Hole Academic to
> comprehend. Could because you are drunk?
>
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>
> Boy are you stupid!!! And, I do NOT mind saying so.
>
> You are not suppose to know what it is, Dumb XXX. Section #1: The role
> of the physician is to carter to the needs of the patient. The patient
> always comes first, NOT your thoughtless need for intellectual
> stimulation.
>
> You are a complete and abject idiot. Just thought that you might want
> to know.
>
The fact that you frequently resort to insults and name calling of people
who disagree with you show how weak and pathetic your arguments are.
Robert
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| Happy Dog 2006-08-02, 2:26 am |
| "Mr. Natural-Health" <johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote
>
> What 2 terms? Again, you appear to be totally drunk!!!!
"Vital force is called life"
Your words. They are not interchangeable.
>
>
> Well, if you were to read my web page it says that it would be entirely
> possible to re-write the Organon to update its use of language and to
> completely drop all references to Homeopathy.
I read the references to "Vital Force" on your website. They do not equate
"life" with "vital force".
moo
>
> Of course, this little detail is too much for the A-Hole Academic to
> comprehend. Could because you are drunk?
>
>
> Boy are you stupid!!! And, I do NOT mind saying so.
>
> You are not suppose to know what it is, Dumb XXX. Section #1: The role
> of the physician is to carter to the needs of the patient. The patient
> always comes first, NOT your thoughtless need for intellectual
> stimulation.
>
> You are a complete and abject idiot. Just thought that you might want
> to know.
>
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| Happy Dog 2006-08-02, 2:26 am |
| "Juhana Harju" <shantigiriorama@gmail.com> wrote in message
> : You can claim that a living thing has "Vital Force" and a dead thing
> : doesn't. But it isn't really very helpful in identifying what the
> : force is or how it can be observed. Your description is like saying
> : that "panache" is life because dead people don't have it.
>
> It should be realised that the homeopathic language-game differs from the
> scientific language-game. Only after this understanding can there be
> meaningful discussion between these two approaches, IMHO.
"Language-game"?
m
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| Juhana Harju 2006-08-02, 2:26 am |
| Happy Dog wrote:
: "Juhana Harju" <shantigiriorama@gmail.com> wrote in message
:
::: You can claim that a living thing has "Vital Force" and a dead thing
::: doesn't. But it isn't really very helpful in identifying what the
::: force is or how it can be observed. Your description is like saying
::: that "panache" is life because dead people don't have it.
::
:: It should be realised that the homeopathic language-game differs
:: from the scientific language-game. Only after this understanding can
:: there be meaningful discussion between these two approaches, IMHO.
:
: "Language-game"?
It is a philosophical concept. By it I mean that these two approaches (the
homeopathic school and scientific community) use different language, and
that this differing use of language in itself is a source of
misunderstanding.
--
Juhana
"All facts are theory-laden"
- Paul Feyerabend
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| Happy Dog 2006-08-02, 2:26 am |
| "Juhana Harju" <shantigiriorama@gmail.com> wrote
> ::: You can claim that a living thing has "Vital Force" and a dead thing
> ::: doesn't. But it isn't really very helpful in identifying what the
> ::: force is or how it can be observed. Your description is like saying
> ::: that "panache" is life because dead people don't have it.
> ::
> :: It should be realised that the homeopathic language-game differs
> :: from the scientific language-game. Only after this understanding can
> :: there be meaningful discussion between these two approaches, IMHO.
> :
> : "Language-game"?
>
> It is a philosophical concept. By it I mean that these two approaches (the
> homeopathic school and scientific community) use different language, and
> that this differing use of language in itself is a source of
> misunderstanding.
Got a few examples?
moo
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| Juhana Harju 2006-08-02, 2:26 am |
| Happy Dog wrote:
: "Juhana Harju" <shantigiriorama@gmail.com> wrote
::::: You can claim that a living thing has "Vital Force" and a dead
::::: thing doesn't. But it isn't really very helpful in identifying
::::: what the force is or how it can be observed. Your description is
::::: like saying that "panache" is life because dead people don't have
::::: it.
::::
:::: It should be realised that the homeopathic language-game differs
:::: from the scientific language-game. Only after this understanding
:::: can there be meaningful discussion between these two approaches,
:::: IMHO.
:::
::: "Language-game"?
::
:: It is a philosophical concept. By it I mean that these two
:: approaches (the homeopathic school and scientific community) use
:: different language, and that this differing use of language in
:: itself is a source of misunderstanding.
:
: Got a few examples?
For a poet and for a biologist the words 'a lake' and 'a flower' denote very
different things. For a poet a lake might seen as a potential scene for a
romantic encounter and a flower might denote love itself. A biologist sees a
lake as a place where many microorganisms and species live, and he sees a
flower as part of a plant which is necessary for its reproduction.
--
Juhana
"All facts are theory-laden"
- Paul Feyerabend
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| JohnDoe 2006-08-02, 2:26 am |
| Juhana Harju wrote:
> Happy Dog wrote:
> : "Mr. Natural-Health" <johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote in
> : message news:1154432925.
> : Happy Dog wrote:
> :::: Vital force is called life, without it you are dead.
> :::
> ::: Not according to the references provided on your site. And, in any
> ::: case, the Vital Force is considered to be a type of energy of a
> ::: type not covered
> ::: by any current physical theory.
> ::
> :: Vital force is called life, without it you are dead.
> ::
> :: You are the one one who is calling it a type of energy of a type not
> :: covered by any current physical theory rather than me.
> :
> : The two term are not interchangeable. "Vital Force" is a thing
> : proposed by homeopathic believers to explain an "energy" that is
> : responsible for the health of a living organism. When it is
> : "disturbed", the organism is "unhealthy". Homeopathic medicine is
> : believed to have a direct effect on this "force".
> :
> : http://www.naturalholistic.com/handouts/primer.htm
> :
> :: Vital force is the difference between a person, or plant for that
> :: matter, that is alive one that is dead. If you don't know the
> :: difference between dead and alive then you truly need to get a new
> :: job.
> :
> : You can claim that a living thing has "Vital Force" and a dead thing
> : doesn't. But it isn't really very helpful in identifying what the
> : force is or how it can be observed. Your description is like saying
> : that "panache" is life because dead people don't have it.
>
> It should be realised that the homeopathic language-game differs from the
> scientific language-game. Only after this understanding can there be
> meaningful discussion between these two approaches, IMHO.
My understanding and that of many others is that homeopaths are making
up their language as they go along. And how can there be a meaningful
discussion between the two approaches if one of them (homeopathy) is
totally meaningless?
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| cathyb 2006-08-02, 8:26 am |
|
Juhana Harju wrote:
> Happy Dog wrote:
> : "Juhana Harju" <shantigiriorama@gmail.com> wrote
> ::::: You can claim that a living thing has "Vital Force" and a dead
> ::::: thing doesn't. But it isn't really very helpful in identifying
> ::::: what the force is or how it can be observed. Your description is
> ::::: like saying that "panache" is life because dead people don't have
> ::::: it.
> ::::
> :::: It should be realised that the homeopathic language-game differs
> :::: from the scientific language-game. Only after this understanding
> :::: can there be meaningful discussion between these two approaches,
> :::: IMHO.
> :::
> ::: "Language-game"?
> ::
> :: It is a philosophical concept. By it I mean that these two
> :: approaches (the homeopathic school and scientific community) use
> :: different language, and that this differing use of language in
> :: itself is a source of misunderstanding.
> :
> : Got a few examples?
>
> For a poet and for a biologist the words 'a lake' and 'a flower' denote very
> different things. For a poet a lake might seen as a potential scene for a
> romantic encounter and a flower might denote love itself. A biologist sees a
> lake as a place where many microorganisms and species live, and he sees a
> flower as part of a plant which is necessary for its reproduction.
I have to disagree; both the poet and the biologist would see both
these aspects of the flower, or indeed lake, since they are not
mutually exclusive. Nor, unless they were very stupid indeed, would
they confuse the two aspects.
Homeopathy does not see a "different" aspect of anything; its
practitioners have simply made up an aspect of physics that doesn't
exist, and failed to provide any evidence at all that it does. Or,
indeed, that with or without their bizarre explanations as to how
homeopathy might work, that it does work; all the evidence points in
the other direction.
>
> --
> Juhana
>
> "All facts are theory-laden"
> - Paul Feyerabend
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| Juhana Harju 2006-08-02, 8:26 am |
| cathyb wrote:
: Juhana Harju wrote:
:: Happy Dog wrote:
::: Juhana Harju wrote
::::::: You can claim that a living thing has "Vital Force" and a dead
::::::: thing doesn't. But it isn't really very helpful in identifying
::::::: what the force is or how it can be observed. Your description
::::::: is like saying that "panache" is life because dead people don't
::::::: have it.
::::::
:::::: It should be realised that the homeopathic language-game differs
:::::: from the scientific language-game. Only after this understanding
:::::: can there be meaningful discussion between these two approaches,
:::::: IMHO.
:::::
::::: "Language-game"?
::::
:::: It is a philosophical concept. By it I mean that these two
:::: approaches (the homeopathic school and scientific community) use
:::: different language, and that this differing use of language in
:::: itself is a source of misunderstanding.
:::
::: Got a few examples?
::
:: For a poet and for a biologist the words 'a lake' and 'a flower'
:: denote very different things. For a poet a lake might seen as a
:: potential scene for a romantic encounter and a flower might denote
:: love itself. A biologist sees a lake as a place where many
:: microorganisms and species live, and he sees a flower as part of a
:: plant which is necessary for its reproduction.
:
: I have to disagree; both the poet and the biologist would see both
: these aspects of the flower, or indeed lake, since they are not
: mutually exclusive. Nor, unless they were very stupid indeed, would
: they confuse the two aspects.
In principle they might know both aspects; in practise they tend to forget
that way of looking which is not practised frequently.
: Homeopathy does not see a "different" aspect of anything; its
: practitioners have simply made up an aspect of physics that doesn't
: exist, and failed to provide any evidence at all that it does. Or,
: indeed, that with or without their bizarre explanations as to how
: homeopathy might work, that it does work; all the evidence points in
: the other direction.
I am not a proponent of homeopathy. I have given it a try but it did not
work.
--
Juhana
"All facts are theory-laden"
- Paul Feyerabend
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| cathyb 2006-08-02, 8:26 am |
|
Juhana Harju wrote:
> cathyb wrote:
> : Juhana Harju wrote:
> :: Happy Dog wrote:
> ::: Juhana Harju wrote
>
> ::::::: You can claim that a living thing has "Vital Force" and a dead
> ::::::: thing doesn't. But it isn't really very helpful in identifying
> ::::::: what the force is or how it can be observed. Your description
> ::::::: is like saying that "panache" is life because dead people don't
> ::::::: have it.
> ::::::
> :::::: It should be realised that the homeopathic language-game differs
> :::::: from the scientific language-game. Only after this understanding
> :::::: can there be meaningful discussion between these two approaches,
> :::::: IMHO.
> :::::
> ::::: "Language-game"?
> ::::
> :::: It is a philosophical concept. By it I mean that these two
> :::: approaches (the homeopathic school and scientific community) use
> :::: different language, and that this differing use of language in
> :::: itself is a source of misunderstanding.
> :::
> ::: Got a few examples?
> ::
> :: For a poet and for a biologist the words 'a lake' and 'a flower'
> :: denote very different things. For a poet a lake might seen as a
> :: potential scene for a romantic encounter and a flower might denote
> :: love itself. A biologist sees a lake as a place where many
> :: microorganisms and species live, and he sees a flower as part of a
> :: plant which is necessary for its reproduction.
> :
> : I have to disagree; both the poet and the biologist would see both
> : these aspects of the flower, or indeed lake, since they are not
> : mutually exclusive. Nor, unless they were very stupid indeed, would
> : they confuse the two aspects.
>
> In principle they might know both aspects; in practise they tend to forget
> that way of looking which is not practised frequently.
I still have to disagree; whilst I've certainly met a scientist who
said of Wordsworth's "I wandered lonely as a cloud" that she found it a
bit twee (who doesn't?) and preferred Larkin's "This Be The Verse",
I've never met one that said "Oh, hey, a cloud is a visible body of
water vapour etc., not capable of being lonely."
I find it difficult to believe there are scientists who can't
differentiate between what something is and how it's perceived or the
effect it has. Actually, I don't just find it difficult to believe; I
simply don't believe it.
Generally these differences in use of language the homeopaths use
aren't differences in language at all: they are simply concepts that
are just made up out of whole cloth: "vital force" is a good example.
It's true that a scientist wouldn't understand it, but it's also true
that a neither a homeopath nor anyone else would either understand it
or be able to describe it. See John Gohde's replies.
>
> : Homeopathy does not see a "different" aspect of anything; its
> : practitioners have simply made up an aspect of physics that doesn't
> : exist, and failed to provide any evidence at all that it does. Or,
> : indeed, that with or without their bizarre explanations as to how
> : homeopathy might work, that it does work; all the evidence points in
> : the other direction.
>
> I am not a proponent of homeopathy. I have given it a try but it did not
> work.
>
> --
> Juhana
>
> "All facts are theory-laden"
> - Paul Feyerabend
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| Mr. Natural-Health 2006-08-02, 8:26 am |
| Robert wrote:
> "Mr. Natural-Health" <johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote in
> message news:1154468983.427175.151260@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> case,
> on
> job.
> is
> The fact that you frequently resort to insults and name calling of people
> who disagree with you show how weak and pathetic your arguments are.
No! I just have higher standards than you do.
I do NOT tolerate stupidity in those trying to attack.
Drunks and Dumb Asses need not apply.
Just thought that you might want to know.
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| Mr. Natural-Health 2006-08-02, 8:26 am |
|
Happy Dog wrote:
> I read the references to "Vital Force" on your website. They do not equate
> "life" with "vital force".
Apparently you did NOT read the fine print. Dumb Asses like you need
not apply.
Just thought that you might want to know.
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| Mr. Natural-Health 2006-08-02, 8:26 am |
| Happy Dog wrote:
> So the problem is that the homeopathic school is not scientific?
YOU are Off-Topic!!!
The topic of this thread is the use of the Organon as a generic manual
on the philosophy of Western forms of alternative medicine, such as
Herbal Medicine as practiced in Great Britain.
Please take your stupid babble someplace else.
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| JohnDoe 2006-08-02, 8:26 am |
| Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
> Happy Dog wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Apparently you did NOT read the fine print.
Fine print? That's is usually used to not draw attention to stuff. You
mean that 1) you have facts on your site and 2) you do not want to draw
attention to them?
> Dumb Asses like you need not apply.
>
> Just thought that you might want to know.
The only thing I'd ever want to know from you is that you've been run
over by an 18 wheeler and you won't be around for much longer.
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| cathyb 2006-08-02, 8:26 am |
|
JohnDoe wrote:
> Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
>
>
> Fine print? That's is usually used to not draw attention to stuff. You
> mean that 1) you have facts on your site and 2) you do not want to draw
> attention to them?
>
>
> The only thing I'd ever want to know from you is that you've been run
> over by an 18 wheeler and you won't be around for much longer.
You know, I'd generally think that was a bit harsh. But in the case of
Gohde, who posted:
"> > --
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A couple of interesting and funny websites. Sadly, we continue to
suffer from the presence of the negro variety of homo sapiens.
John "
I'd have to say, fair play to you.
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| Happy Dog 2006-08-02, 4:30 pm |
| "Mr. Natural-Health" <johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com>
> Happy Dog wrote:
>
>
> Apparently you did NOT read the fine print. Dumb Asses like you need
> not apply.
>
Nope. I read them. Nowhere on your site does it say that the terms "vital
force" and "life" are interchangeable.
moo
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| Mr. Natural-Health 2006-08-02, 9:27 pm |
|
Happy Dog wrote:
> "Mr. Natural-Health" <johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com>
>
> Nope. I read them. Nowhere on your site does it say that the terms "vital
> force" and "life" are interchangeable.
It is so hot that the white stuff between your ears must have lleaked
out of your 2nd Brain.
The topic of this thread is the use of the Organon as a generic manual
on the philosophy of Western forms of alternative medicine, such as
Herbal Medicine as practiced in Great Britain.
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| Doc John 2006-08-02, 9:27 pm |
| Happy Dog wrote:
> "Mr. Natural-Health" <johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com>
>
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> Not according to the references provided on your site. And, in any case,
> the Vital Force is considered to be a type of energy of a type not covered
> by any current physical theory.
Samuel Hahnemann's Organon: "=A7 10. Without this animating, spirit-like
power the organism is dead."
Like I wrote before, YOU academic Arses are just plain stupid.
I think that I will in fact write my own outline of Samuel Hahnemann's
Organon. It will be easier to do that than to constantly have to hold
your hand.
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| Happy Dog 2006-08-02, 9:27 pm |
| "Doc John" <johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote in message
> "Mr. Natural-Health" <johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com>
>
>
> Not according to the references provided on your site. And, in any case,
> the Vital Force is considered to be a type of energy of a type not covered
> by any current physical theory.
Samuel Hahnemann's Organon: "§ 10. Without this animating, spirit-like
power the organism is dead."
As I said, it's an elusive type of "energy" outside the known ones that can
be reliably detected. And just saying that it can be detected only by
observing whether something is alive or dead is meaningless.
moo
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| Mr. Natural-Health 2006-08-03, 2:26 am |
| Happy Dog wrote:
> "Doc John" <johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote in message
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> Samuel Hahnemann's Organon: "=A7 10. Without this animating, spirit-like
> power the organism is dead."
>
> As I said, it's an elusive type of "energy" outside the known ones that c=
an
> be reliably detected. And just saying that it can be detected only by
> observing whether something is alive or dead is meaningless.
http://naturalhealthperspective.com...on-outline.html
The first section of my own outline of the organon is now complete.
Tomorrow, I will release the section talking about Vital Force.
Read it and weep, Fool!
I am laughting at you.
Just thought that you might want to know.
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| Happy Dog 2006-08-03, 8:25 am |
| "Mr. Natural-Health" <johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote in
message
>
> Samuel Hahnemann's Organon: "§ 10. Without this animating, spirit-like
> power the organism is dead."
>
> As I said, it's an elusive type of "energy" outside the known ones that
> can
> be reliably detected. And just saying that it can be detected only by
> observing whether something is alive or dead is meaningless.
http://naturalhealthperspective.com...on-outline.html
The first section of my own outline of the organon is now complete.
Tomorrow, I will release the section talking about Vital Force.
Read it and weep, Fool!
I am laughting at you.
I gotta ask: You got a defense of this?
Our earth, by virtue of a hidden invisible energy, carries the moon around
her in twenty-eight days and several hours, and the moon alternately, in
definite fixed hours (deducting certain differences which occur with the
full and new moon) raises our northern seas to flood tide and again
correspondingly lowers them to ebb. Apparently this takes place not through
material agencies, not through mechanical contrivances, as are used for
products of human labor; and so we see numerous other events about us as
results of the action of one substance on another substance without being
able to recognize a sensible connection between cause and effect. Only the
cultured, practised in comparison and deduction, can form for himself a kind
of supra-sensual idea sufficient to keep all that is material or mechanical
in his thoughts from such concepts. He calls such effects dynamic, virtual,
that is, such as result from absolute, specific, pure energy and action of
he one substance upon the other substance.
Let's start with relativity. No weaseling here. This is straight from your
site. Moo
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| Happy Oyster 2006-08-03, 8:25 am |
| On 2 Aug 2006 20:43:03 -0700, "Mr. Natural-Health"
<johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote:
>Read it and weep, Fool!
>I am laughting at you.
Hahnemann was a criminal.
Homeopathy is fraud.
The original organon:
http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_org6.htm
Regards,
Aribert Deckers
--
Treu & Glauben, Hinter den Kulissen eines Wirtschaftsskandals
http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_treu.htm
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| Mr. Natural-Health 2006-08-03, 8:25 am |
| Happy Dog wrote:
> "Mr. Natural-Health" <johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote in
> message
>
> http://naturalhealthperspective.com...on-outline.html
> The first section of my own outline of the organon is now complete.
> Tomorrow, I will release the section talking about Vital Force.
>
> Read it and weep, Fool!
>
> I am laughting at you.
>
> I gotta ask: You got a defense of this?
>
> Our earth, by virtue of a hidden invisible energy, carries the moon around
> her in twenty-eight days and several hours, and the moon alternately, in
> definite fixed hours (deducting certain differences which occur with the
> full and new moon) raises our northern seas to flood tide and again
> correspondingly lowers them to ebb. Apparently this takes place not throu=
gh
> material agencies, not through mechanical contrivances, as are used for
> products of human labor; and so we see numerous other events about us as
> results of the action of one substance on another substance without being
> able to recognize a sensible connection between cause and effect. Only the
> cultured, practised in comparison and deduction, can form for himself a k=
ind
> of supra-sensual idea sufficient to keep all that is material or mechanic=
al
> in his thoughts from such concepts. He calls such effects dynamic, virtua=
l,
> that is, such as result from absolute, specific, pure energy and action of
> he one substance upon the other substance.
>
> Let's start with relativity. No weaseling here. This is straight from y=
our
> site. Moo
First of all, it is hard to converse with a person named moo. Ha, ...
Hah, Ha! Are you saying that your mother was a cow?
Next, it is impossible to communicates with an irrational person who
keeps on babbling away, as if they were drunk.
When you simply modernize and simplify the language in the Organon, it
makes a great Western alternative medicine handbook. And, there is
nothing that you can do about that fact.
You have my condolences.
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| cathyb 2006-08-03, 8:25 am |
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Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
> Happy Dog wrote:
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> First of all, it is hard to converse with a person named moo. Ha, ...
> Hah, Ha! Are you saying that your mother was a cow?
>
> Next, it is impossible to communicates with an irrational person who
> keeps on babbling away, as if they were drunk.
He was quoting your site. And, I imagine, would agree with your comment
on its content: irrational babbling.
>
> When you simply modernize and simplify the language in the Organon, it
> makes a great Western alternative medicine handbook. And, there is
> nothing that you can do about that fact.
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> You have my condolences.
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| JohnDoe 2006-08-03, 4:30 pm |
| Mr. Natural-Health wrote:
> Happy Dog wrote:
>
>
>
> First of all, it is hard to converse with a person named moo. Ha, ...
> Hah, Ha! Are you saying that your mother was a cow?
>
> Next, it is impossible to communicates with an irrational person who
> keeps on babbling away, as if they were drunk.
>
> When you simply modernize and simplify the language
Why don't you go ahead and do that for the text above. Come on, let's
see what you translate and simplify complete gobbledygook into.
> in the Organon, it makes a great Western alternative medicine handbook.
Yup, gobbledygook usually does quite well as an alternative medicine
handbook. And not just for Western.
> And, there is nothing that you can do about that fact.
>
> You have my condolences.
>
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| Happy Dog 2006-08-06, 8:27 am |
| "Mr. Natural-Health" <johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com>
> I gotta ask: You got a defense of this?
>
> Our earth, by virtue of a hidden invisible energy, carries the moon around
> her in twenty-eight days and several hours, and the moon alternately, in
> definite fixed hours (deducting certain differences which occur with the
> full and new moon) raises our northern seas to flood tide and again
> correspondingly lowers them to ebb. Apparently this takes place not
> through
> material agencies, not through mechanical contrivances, as are used for
> products of human labor; and so we see numerous other events about us as
> results of the action of one substance on another substance without being
> able to recognize a sensible connection between cause and effect. Only the
> cultured, practised in comparison and deduction, can form for himself a
> kind
> of supra-sensual idea sufficient to keep all that is material or
> mechanical
> in his thoughts from such concepts. He calls such effects dynamic,
> virtual,
> that is, such as result from absolute, specific, pure energy and action of
> he one substance upon the other substance.
>
> Let's start with relativity. No weaseling here. This is straight from
> your
> site. Moo
First of all, it is hard to converse with a person named moo. Ha, ...
Hah, Ha! Are you saying that your mother was a cow?
Next, it is impossible to communicates with an irrational person who
keeps on babbling away, as if they were drunk.
When you simply modernize and simplify the language in the Organon, it
makes a great Western alternative medicine handbook. And, there is
nothing that you can do about that fact.
The above quote is from your site. It is clearly a novel approach to
gravity that is incompatible with General Relativity.
moo
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