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| Jan Drew 2006-10-18, 9:32 pm |
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| typical Jan Drew ...
if you read the article...can you read??
most common cause of these "drug errors" is accidental overdose...
so blame the drug if someone takes 5 pills instead of the one prescribed??
hardly
"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,222065,00.html
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> Drug Errors Send 700,000 to ER Every Year
> Wednesday, October 18, 2006
>
> By Miranda Hitti
>
>
>
> Experts from the CDC and FDA estimate that every year, more than 700,000
> people visit U.S. emergency departments because of side effects,
> accidental overdoses, and other adverse drug events.
>
> Those patients are particularly likely to be 65 years old or older, note
> the researchers, who included the CDC's Daniel Budnitz, MD, MPH.
>
> In fact, nearly as many people aged 65 and older visit emergency
> departments for drug events as for automobile accidents, Budnitz's team
> notes.
>
> Their study appears in The Journal of the American Medical Association.
>
> The study's message: America may need to do more to help people avoid
> adverse drug events. If you're taking any drugs, you may want to check
> that you're doing so correctly.
>
> Seven Dangerous Drug Mistakes
>
>
> About the Study
>
> Budnitz and colleagues tracked adverse drug events reported at 63 U.S.
> hospitals from 2004 through 2005.
>
> "Drugs" included prescription drugs, over-the-counter drugs, vaccines,
> vitamins, dietary supplements, and herbal products.
>
> "Adverse drug events" included allergic reactions, undesirable side
> effects at recommended doses, accidental overdoses, or "secondary
> effects," such as falls or choking.
>
> The data don't cover drug-related deaths, suicide attempts, drug abuse,
> symptoms of drug withdrawal, or drug failures.
>
> Report: Drug Errors Injure 1.5 Million
>
>
> Thousands of Cases
>
> During the study period, the hospitals reported nearly 21,300 emergency
> department visits due to adverse drug events.
>
> That equals 2.4 cases per 1,000 people, or more than 701,000 patients per
> year nationwide, Budnitz and colleagues estimate.
>
> Most patients were treated and released from emergency departments. But
> about 117,000 patients per year require hospitalization for adverse drug
> events, the researchers estimate.
>
> Medical Errors Still Plague U.S. Hospitals
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>
> Drug Data
>
> Most adverse drug events were due to accidental overdoses and allergic
> reactions.
>
> Many of those cases stemmed from a "relatively small set of drugs" that
> require monitoring to avoid toxic build-up, the researchers note.
>
> They write that 16 of the 18 drugs most commonly linked to adverse drug
> events in their study "have been in clinical use for more than 20 years."
>
> The five most common drug classes noted in those events were insulin,
> painkillers containing opioids, anticlotting drugs, drugs containing the
> antibiotic amoxicillin, and antihistamines/cold remedies.
>
> Health Care Varies Greatly at U.S. Hospitals
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>
> Age Pattern
>
> Many people treated for adverse drug events were at least 65 years old.
>
> A quarter of adverse drug events and half of those requiring
> hospitalization were seen in people aged 65 and older, the researchers
> note.
>
> Compared with younger adults, those aged 65 and older were:
>
> More than twice as likely to be treated in emergency departments for
> adverse events Nearly seven times as likely to be hospitalized because of
> adverse drug events
>
> People aged 65 and older tend to use more drugs than younger adults, the
> researchers point out.
>
> Nearly a third of ER-treated cases in people aged 65 and older were linked
> to three drugs:
>
> --Insulin
>
> --Coumadin, which helps prevent blood clots
>
> --Digoxin, which helps injured or weak hearts work more efficiently and
> send blood through the body
>
> The researchers call for renewed efforts to prevent adverse drug events.
>
>
> By Miranda Hitti, reviewed by Louise Chang, MD
>
> SOURCES: Budnitz, D. The Journal of the American Medical Association, Oct.
> 18, 2006; vol 296: pp 1858-1866. WebMD Medical Reference in collaboration
> with The Cleveland Clinic: "Heart Disease: Warfarin and Other Blood
> Thinners." WebMD Medical Reference in collaboration with The Cleveland
> Clinic: "Heart Disease: Treatment With Digoxin." News release,
> JAMA/Archives
>
>
>
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| PeterB 2006-10-19, 4:27 pm |
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<Hawk...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> typical Jan Drew ...
>
> if you read the article...can you read??
>
> most common cause of these "drug errors" is accidental overdose...
Actually, it is you who cannot read. The article states that both
allergic reaction and accidental overdose represent the greatest number
of adverse events, but which of these was more prevalent was not
indicated (I wil ltry to track this down next week.)
> so blame the drug if someone takes 5 pills instead of the one prescribed??
> hardly
An ignorant comment. Such a scenario would never explain the number of
drug-related events we are seeing nationwide, but it is interesting
that dietary supplements hardly made a blip on the radar.
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> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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| PeterB 2006-10-19, 4:27 pm |
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<Hawk...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> typical Jan Drew ...
>
> if you read the article...can you read??
>
> most common cause of these "drug errors" is accidental overdose...
Actually, it is you who cannot read. The article states that both
allergic reaction and accidental overdose represent the greatest number
of adverse events, but which of these was more prevalent was not
indicated (I wil ltry to track this down next week.)
> so blame the drug if someone takes 5 pills instead of the one prescribed??
> hardly
An ignorant comment. Such a scenario would never explain the number of
drug-related events we are seeing nationwide, but it is noteworthy that
dietary supplements hardly made a blip on the radar.
[vbcol=seagreen]
> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:I4yZg.17667$6S3.904@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
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| Vernon 2006-10-19, 4:27 pm |
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"PeterB" <pkm@mytrashmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> An ignorant comment. Such a scenario would never explain the number of
> drug-related events we are seeing nationwide, but it is noteworthy that
> dietary supplements hardly made a blip on the radar.
>
But, is often an indication of poor instructions by whoever.
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| Roman Bystrianyk 2006-10-19, 4:27 pm |
| Often times the adverse reactions is a result of the effects of the
medication and is not a result of overdose. Take NSAIDs - when it
was examined just for arthritis patients in the United States research
showed over 100,000 hospitalizations and approximately 16,500 deaths
each year. Put another way about 45 people die each and every day from
internal bleeding due to NSAIDs. Now your risk is magnified
tremendously if you're taking an NDSAID and say an SSRI -
increasing the risk by approximately 15 fold! These are studied and
documented risks but to a large degree ignored because of adherence to
a paradigm that uses a set of solutions for a problem and ignoring
possibilities outside that paradigm.
PeterB wrote:
> <Hawk...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> Actually, it is you who cannot read. The article states that both
> allergic reaction and accidental overdose represent the greatest number
> of adverse events, but which of these was more prevalent was not
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| awthrawthr@yahoo.com 2006-10-19, 4:27 pm |
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Roman Bystrianyk wrote:
> Often times the adverse reactions is a result of the effects of the
> medication and is not a result of overdose. Take NSAIDs - when it
> was examined just for arthritis patients in the United States research
> showed over 100,000 hospitalizations and approximately 16,500 deaths
> each year. Put another way about 45 people die each and every day from
> internal bleeding due to NSAIDs. Now your risk is magnified
> tremendously if you're taking an NDSAID and say an SSRI -
> increasing the risk by approximately 15 fold! These are studied and
> documented risks but to a large degree ignored because of adherence to
> a paradigm that uses a set of solutions for a problem and ignoring
> possibilities outside that paradigm.
Roman, that 15-fold stat is intriguing. Where does it come from?
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| Roman Bystrianyk 2006-10-19, 4:27 pm |
| > Roman, that 15-fold stat is intriguing. Where does it come from?
Francisco Jos=E9 de Abajo, Luis Alberto Garc=EDa Rodr=EDguez, Dolores
Montero, "Association between selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors
and upper gastrointestinal bleeding: population based case-control
study", BMJ (British Medical Journal), October 23, 1999, Vol. 319, Num.
0, pp. 1106-1109
"The concurrent use of selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors with
non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs greatly increased the risk of
upper gastrointestinal bleeding (15.6, 6.6 to 36.6) showing a more than
multiplicative interaction (relative excess risk due to interaction
10.3). The relative risk of concurrent use of non-steroidal
anti-inflammatory drugs with non-selective serotonin reuptake
inhibitors compared with non-use was 4.6 (2.8 to 7.9), which roughly
represents the sum of their respective effects (relative excess risk
0=2E2). An interaction was also observed between selective serotonin
reuptake inhibitors and aspirin (7.2, 3.1 to 17.1; relative excess risk
3=2E5)."=20
Enjoy your day.
Roman
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| awthrawthr@yahoo.com 2006-10-19, 9:36 pm |
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Roman Bystrianyk wrote:
>
> Francisco Jos=E9 de Abajo, Luis Alberto Garc=EDa Rodr=EDguez, Dolores
> Montero, "Association between selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors
> and upper gastrointestinal bleeding: population based case-control
> study", BMJ (British Medical Journal), October 23, 1999, Vol. 319, Num.
> 0, pp. 1106-1109
>
> "The concurrent use of selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors with
> non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs greatly increased the risk of
> upper gastrointestinal bleeding (15.6, 6.6 to 36.6) showing a more than
> multiplicative interaction (relative excess risk due to interaction
> 10.3). The relative risk of concurrent use of non-steroidal
> anti-inflammatory drugs with non-selective serotonin reuptake
> inhibitors compared with non-use was 4.6 (2.8 to 7.9), which roughly
> represents the sum of their respective effects (relative excess risk
> 0.2). An interaction was also observed between selective serotonin
> reuptake inhibitors and aspirin (7.2, 3.1 to 17.1; relative excess risk
> 3.5)."
Thank you. That's quite a startling set of statistics. And published in
BMJ, too.
>=20
> Enjoy your day.
> Roman
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| Jan Drew 2006-10-19, 9:36 pm |
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"PeterB" <pkm@mytrashmail.com> wrote in message
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> <Hawk...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> Actually, it is you who cannot read. The article states that both
> allergic reaction and accidental overdose represent the greatest number
> of adverse events, but which of these was more prevalent was not
> indicated (I wil ltry to track this down next week.)
>
>
> An ignorant comment. Such a scenario would never explain the number of
> drug-related events we are seeing nationwide, but it is interesting
> that dietary supplements hardly made a blip on the radar.
Never mind her, Peter. She has been trolling me for years.
>
>
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"PeterB" <pkm@mytrashmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> <Hawk...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> Actually, it is you who cannot read. The article states that both
> allergic reaction and accidental overdose represent the greatest number
> of adverse events, but which of these was more prevalent was not
> indicated (I wil ltry to track this down next week.)
sorry..on another ng that Jan posted this to.....I DID mention that the two
top contenders were indeed overdose and allergic reactions...
so ....again...HOW is a provider to predict when an individual will have an
allergic reaction?? of course they cannot...unless the person has a
history..and fails to point it out....
so...my crack about "drug errors" that are predominantly overdoses (taking
more than the recommended amount)....and allergic reactions that cannot
usually not be predicted....my comment stands
>
>
> An ignorant comment. Such a scenario would never explain the number of
> drug-related events we are seeing nationwide, but it is interesting
> that dietary supplements hardly made a blip on the radar.
no...perhaps not...but neither do "supplements" replace insulin...etc etc...
nor....are their adverse reactions being catalouged...not that they don't
exist BTW....perhaps because so many "supplements" are so benign as to be
totally worthless...
cannot tell you how many liver failures ARE related to BS supplements
.......as an ER spec
>
>
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| never mind Janster....I forgot I had replied to you in another group...thus
in this posting DID forget to mention the allergy issue..
one cannot troll a troll by the way
"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> "PeterB" <pkm@mytrashmail.com> wrote in message
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> Never mind her, Peter. She has been trolling me for years.
>
>
>
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"Vernon" <asthere@asthere> wrote in message
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> "PeterB" <pkm@mytrashmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> But, is often an indication of poor instructions by whoever.
prescription meds have the dosage printed on the label...
>
>
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| Jan Drew 2006-10-19, 9:36 pm |
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"PeterB" <pkm@mytrashmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> <Hawk...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> Actually, it is you who cannot read. The article states that both
> allergic reaction and accidental overdose represent the greatest number
> of adverse events, but which of these was more prevalent was not
> indicated (I wil ltry to track this down next week.)
>
>
> An ignorant comment. Such a scenario would never explain the number of
> drug-related events we are seeing nationwide, but it is noteworthy that
> dietary supplements hardly made a blip on the radar.
Hawki is a nurse. Go figure.
>
>
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| that is why it is called the risk/benefit ratio
NO pill or potion...whether scripted or snake oil....is without risk...
"Roman Bystrianyk" <rbystrianyk@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Often times the adverse reactions is a result of the effects of the
> medication and is not a result of overdose. Take NSAIDs - when it
> was examined just for arthritis patients in the United States research
> showed over 100,000 hospitalizations and approximately 16,500 deaths
> each year. Put another way about 45 people die each and every day from
> internal bleeding due to NSAIDs. Now your risk is magnified
> tremendously if you're taking an NDSAID and say an SSRI -
> increasing the risk by approximately 15 fold! These are studied and
> documented risks but to a large degree ignored because of adherence to
> a paradigm that uses a set of solutions for a problem and ignoring
> possibilities outside that paradigm.
>
> PeterB wrote:
>
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| and you are a failed preschool teacher...
that makes you the expert??
yeah I forgot
ps...we real nurses would love it if you left our professional ng off your
list...
tho you give us a needed laugh
"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> "PeterB" <pkm@mytrashmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hawki is a nurse. Go figure.
>
>
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"Hawki" <Hawki63@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> and you are a failed preschool teacher...
>
> that makes you the expert??
>
> yeah I forgot
>
> ps...we real nurses would love it if you left our professional ng off your
> list...
>
> tho you give us a needed laugh
> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:7jVZg.18041$6S3.1014@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
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| awthrawthr@yahoo.com 2006-10-19, 9:36 pm |
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Hawki wrote:
> that is why it is called the risk/benefit ratio
>
> NO pill or potion...whether scripted or snake oil....is without risk...
Do you understand how shallow and thoughtless your answer was? Let me
show you why through two examples.
Playing Russian Roulette is a risk. So is driving to work. So based on
your assinine answer, we should drive to work AND play Russian
Roulette.
FDA-approved drugs create an outsized risk that creates 2,000 EMERGENCY
ROOM visits EVERY DAY!!
Your proposing the outrageous notion that natural supplements pose a
similar risk as those posed by drugs puts you into the unreliable
category.
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> "Roman Bystrianyk" <rbystrianyk@gmail.com> wrote in message
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| awthrawthr@yahoo.com 2006-10-19, 9:36 pm |
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Hawki wrote:
> "PeterB" <pkm@mytrashmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1161276259.248875.128430@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> sorry..on another ng that Jan posted this to.....I DID mention that the two
> top contenders were indeed overdose and allergic reactions...
>
> so ....again...HOW is a provider to predict when an individual will have an
> allergic reaction?? of course they cannot...unless the person has a
> history..and fails to point it out....
>
> so...my crack about "drug errors" that are predominantly overdoses (taking
> more than the recommended amount)....and allergic reactions that cannot
> usually not be predicted....my comment stands
>
>
>
>
> no...perhaps not...but neither do "supplements" replace insulin...etc etc...
Wrong. Supplements can indeed gradually replace the need for insulin.
>
> nor....are their adverse reactions being catalouged...not that they don't
> exist BTW....perhaps because so many "supplements" are so benign as to be
> totally worthless...
Wow, are you brainwashed. You are making the brainwashed claim that
because supplements aren't dangerous ("benign"), they are worthless in
their ability to have a beneficial effect.
Water is rather benign...but its healing powers are extraordinary.
Cinnamon is fairly benign, yet it can normalize Blood Sugar levels in
diabetics. And raise the Blood Sugar of hypoglycemics. No FDA-Approved
drug can do that, despite their danger. Do you get it? The risk of a
supplement should not be used as a measure of its efficacy.
> cannot tell you how many liver failures ARE related to BS supplements
> ......as an ER spec
My guess would be .001% those caused by statins, etc.
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| Coleah 2006-10-20, 2:29 am |
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<awthrawthr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Hawki wrote:
>
> Do you understand how shallow and thoughtless your answer was? Let me
> show you why through two examples.
>
> Playing Russian Roulette is a risk. So is driving to work. So based on
> your assinine answer, we should drive to work AND play Russian
> Roulette.
>
> FDA-approved drugs create an outsized risk that creates 2,000 EMERGENCY
> ROOM visits EVERY DAY!!
The statistics focused on old people (over 65) for presenting with overdoses
and allergic reactions.
It did not say there was a thing wrong with the medications.
BTW - do not take any RX medication....you're a great candidate for Russian
Roulette, here's a bullet.
>
> Your proposing the outrageous notion that natural supplements pose a
> similar risk as those posed by drugs puts you into the unreliable
> category.
>
>
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| Vernon 2006-10-20, 2:29 am |
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"Hawki" <Hawki63@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> "Vernon" <asthere@asthere> wrote in message
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>
> prescription meds have the dosage printed on the label...
MOST think, "If they take more, it will be more effective"
Non prescription things have "suggested" dosage.
We are talking about people here.
"But, is often an indication of poor instructions by whoever."
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| Vernon 2006-10-20, 2:29 am |
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"Hawki" <Hawki63@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> and you are a failed preschool teacher...
>
> that makes you the expert??
>
> yeah I forgot
>
> ps...we real nurses would love it if you left our professional ng off your
> list...
From your posts, your group DEFINITELY need some knowledge / education.
I'm sure glad I never had a nurse as uneducated as you.
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| Coleah 2006-10-20, 2:29 am |
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"Vernon" <anthere@anthere> wrote in message
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> "Hawki" <Hawki63@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:JiVZg.15809$vJ2.5617@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...
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> MOST think, "If they take more, it will be more effective"
Where do you get this 'most' stuff from? Done a personal survey recently?
> Non prescription things have "suggested" dosage.
> We are talking about people here.
> "But, is often an indication of poor instructions by whoever."
Poor instructions? From who? The doctor who advises how to take it? Or
the pharmacist who explains who to take it before giving it to you? Or the
label on the bottle which explains how to take it? Do you think that most
people are brain dead? Or are the ones over 65 (which the article focused
on) often confused about keeping track?
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| awthrawthr@yahoo.com 2006-10-20, 2:29 am |
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Coleah wrote:
> <awthrawthr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> The statistics focused on old people (over 65) for presenting with overdoses
> and allergic reactions.
>It did not say there was a thing wrong with the medications.
They didn't have to say there was anything wrong with the
medicine...that was obvious from the results, and didn't need to be
said.
> BTW - do not take any RX medication....
I don't take ANY FDA-approved drugs, or any drugs at all.
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| Jan Drew 2006-10-20, 2:29 am |
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"Hawki" <Hawki63@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> never mind Janster....I forgot I had replied to you in another
> group...thus in this posting DID forget to mention the allergy issue..
>
> one cannot troll a troll by the way
yikes..........lol.
>
>
> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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| Jan Drew 2006-10-20, 2:29 am |
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"Hawki" <Hawki63@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> "Vernon" <asthere@asthere> wrote in message
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>
>
> prescription meds have the dosage printed on the label...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13954142/
Drug errors injure more than 1.5 million a year
Report calls for all prescriptions to be electronic by 2010
WASHINGTON - More than 1.5 million Americans are injured every year by drug
errors in hospitals, nursing homes and doctor's offices, a count that doesn't
even estimate patients' own medication mix-ups, says a report that calls for
major steps to increase patient safety.
Once again Hawki is a nurse.
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| Jan Drew 2006-10-20, 2:29 am |
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"Hawki" <Hawki63@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> that is why it is called the risk/benefit ratio
>
> NO pill or potion...whether scripted or snake oil....is without risk...
>
>
> "Roman Bystrianyk" <rbystrianyk@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1161279397.904318.44330@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
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>
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| Jan Drew 2006-10-20, 2:29 am |
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"Hawki" <Hawki63@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> that is why it is called the risk/benefit ratio
>
> NO pill or potion...whether scripted or snake oil....is without risk...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13954142/
Drug errors injure more than 1.5 million a year
Report calls for all prescriptions to be electronic by 2010.
WASHINGTON - More than 1.5 million Americans are injured every year by drug
errors in hospitals, nursing homes and doctor's offices, a count that doesn't
even estimate patients' own medication mix-ups, says a report that calls for
major steps to increase patient safety.
>
>
> "Roman Bystrianyk" <rbystrianyk@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1161279397.904318.44330@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
>
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| Coleah 2006-10-20, 2:29 am |
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<awthrawthr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Coleah wrote:
>
> They didn't have to say there was anything wrong with the
> medicine...that was obvious from the results, and didn't need to be
> said.
BS. Tunnel vision.
> I don't take ANY FDA-approved drugs, or any drugs at all.
Thank God. Use the bullet.
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"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> "Hawki" <Hawki63@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13954142/
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> Drug errors injure more than 1.5 million a year
> Report calls for all prescriptions to be electronic by 2010
> WASHINGTON - More than 1.5 million Americans are injured every year by
> drug errors in hospitals, nursing homes and doctor's offices, a count that
> doesn't even estimate patients' own medication mix-ups, says a report that
> calls for major steps to increase patient safety.
>
> Once again Hawki is a nurse.
and your point is??
and now that you mention it...you are NOT a nurse....so keep your bs to
groups that might care
you bore the rest of us here ...the real nurses I mean...with your
blather...
don't they have a group solely for preschool dropouts??
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| well...at least you are consistent...
reposting your blather until you think someone may care
LOL
"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> "Hawki" <Hawki63@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13954142/
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> Drug errors injure more than 1.5 million a year
> Report calls for all prescriptions to be electronic by 2010.
>
> WASHINGTON - More than 1.5 million Americans are injured every year by
> drug errors in hospitals, nursing homes and doctor's offices, a count that
> doesn't even estimate patients' own medication mix-ups, says a report that
> calls for major steps to increase patient safety.
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| D. C. Sessions 2006-10-20, 8:27 am |
| In message <1161309858.226767.281550@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>, awthrawthr@yahoo.com wrote:
> Hawki wrote:
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> Wrong. Supplements can indeed gradually replace the need for insulin.
I notice you don't claim to eliminate the need for insulin, though.
As long as someone is dependent on insulin, the hazards remain
the same.
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| Roman Bystrianyk 2006-10-20, 8:27 am |
| awthrawthr@yahoo.com wrote:
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> Thank you. That's quite a startling set of statistics. And published in
> BMJ, too.
You're welcome.
It is startling that this information just doesn't get out to most
people. Imagine how many seniors are on NSAID medication and are
depressed so are prescribed an SSRI. I don't have statistics on
that, but having talked to many seniors this is not an uncommon event.
Now each medication alone causes major problems with internal bleeding,
but the synergistic effects are huge.
Now take into account that the 45 deaths per day from internal bleeding
were ONLY examined in an arthritis patients not other people taking
these medications. And they were only looking for GI bleeding - this
doesn't examine bleeding in other parts of the body (e.g. cerebral
bleeding) nor does it look at the number of deaths from SSRI bleeding.
In addition we're not looking at the increased rate increased risk of
congestive heart failure from NSAIDs - perhaps approaching the same
number of deaths and hospitalizations that occur from GI bleeding.
Have a good day.
"The fatal tendency of mankind to leave off thinking about a thing when
it is no longer doubtful is the cause of half their errors." - John
Stuart Mill
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| PeterB 2006-10-20, 4:30 pm |
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Roman Bystrianyk wrote:
> Often times the adverse reactions is a result of the effects of the
> medication and is not a result of overdose. Take NSAIDs - when it
> was examined just for arthritis patients in the United States research
> showed over 100,000 hospitalizations and approximately 16,500 deaths
> each year. Put another way about 45 people die each and every day from
> internal bleeding due to NSAIDs. Now your risk is magnified
> tremendously if you're taking an NDSAID and say an SSRI -
> increasing the risk by approximately 15 fold! These are studied and
> documented risks but to a large degree ignored because of adherence to
> a paradigm that uses a set of solutions for a problem and ignoring
> possibilities outside that paradigm.
Right, overdose is not the bulk of the problem. I meant to say that
that this particular study may not have broken it down, however this
information is available from other sources. Thanks for the NSAID
numbers.
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| Vernon 2006-10-20, 4:30 pm |
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"Hawki" <Hawki63@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> and your point is??
>
> and now that you mention it...you are NOT a nurse....so keep your bs to
> groups that might care
>
> you bore the rest of us here ...the real nurses I mean...with your
> blather...
>
> don't they have a group solely for preschool dropouts??
Nurses deal with the ill. Nurses therefore assume that they have
assimilated some sort of magical knowledge of nutrition that even the full
fledged doctors do not know. Doctors or nurses have no more knowledge of
nutrition than the average doctor has of spinal surgery or performing an
open heart surgery. Of all of these, the least educated (nurses) assume
that they have knowledge. Their lack of knowledge is so dominant that they
actually think they know. A surgical assistant nurse has to go through some
intensive training. The so called nutritional counselor is lucky to get 10
or 12 hours of lecture or reading which is usually innocuous.
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| Vernon 2006-10-20, 4:30 pm |
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"Jan Drew" <jdrew1374@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> "Hawki" <Hawki63@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13954142/
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> Drug errors injure more than 1.5 million a year
> Report calls for all prescriptions to be electronic by 2010.
If they knew (cared) how bad the situation is, it would be electonic in
2007.
How long would it take if 1.5 mill were injured by an auto defect every
year.
>
> WASHINGTON - More than 1.5 million Americans are injured every year by
> drug errors in hospitals, nursing homes and doctor's offices, a count that
> doesn't even estimate patients' own medication mix-ups, says a report that
> calls for major steps to increase patient safety.
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| george conklin 2006-10-20, 4:30 pm |
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"Vernon" <anthere@anthere> wrote in message
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> Nurses deal with the ill. Nurses therefore assume that they have
> assimilated some sort of magical knowledge of nutrition that even the full
> fledged doctors do not know. Doctors or nurses have no more knowledge of
> nutrition
Will you stop posting stupid comments, please? The nutrition issues have
no sponsor since there is no money in patents for food. If you want to
sponsor such research do so.
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| pardon??
just one more answer to you...
I am indeed a nurse...an advanced practice nurse.nurse practitioner...with a
master's degree...and 40+ years experience
nurse practitioners DO indeed treat the "well"...that is our primary job....
lastly...."surgical assistant nurses" receive on the job training.....
just thought you would want to know you know very little about nursing
education,,certification...etc etc
anyone off the street can take an online course and learn about nutrition
(not a bad thing)
however..."nurses"...of all varieties are highly educated healthcare
professionals that literally keep our sickest individuals alive in the
critical care wards...etc...
you should have the utmost respect for these professionals...some day those
herbs and spices aren't going to do the trick...and you will be thankful for
the men and women in white (joke..no one wears white anymore).....they are
the backbone of our healthcare system
I am wildly proud of being a nurse...
"Vernon" <anthere@anthere> wrote in message
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> "Hawki" <Hawki63@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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>
> Nurses deal with the ill. Nurses therefore assume that they have
> assimilated some sort of magical knowledge of nutrition that even the full
> fledged doctors do not know. Doctors or nurses have no more knowledge of
> nutrition than the average doctor has of spinal surgery or performing an
> open heart surgery. Of all of these, the least educated (nurses) assume
> that they have knowledge. Their lack of knowledge is so dominant that
> they actually think they know. A surgical assistant nurse has to go
> through some intensive training. The so called nutritional counselor is
> lucky to get 10 or 12 hours of lecture or reading which is usually
> innocuous.
>
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| Coleah 2006-10-20, 4:30 pm |
| My primary care nurse practitioner is sharper
than some doctor's I've seen. She's guided me
to improved overall health.
"Hawki" <Hawki63@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> pardon??
>
> just one more answer to you...
>
> I am indeed a nurse...an advanced practice nurse.nurse practitioner...with
> a master's degree...and 40+ years experience
>
> nurse practitioners DO indeed treat the "well"...that is our primary
> job....
>
> lastly...."surgical assistant nurses" receive on the job training.....
>
> just thought you would want to know you know very little about nursing
> education,,certification...etc etc
>
> anyone off the street can take an online course and learn about nutrition
> (not a bad thing)
>
> however..."nurses"...of all varieties are highly educated healthcare
> professionals that literally keep our sickest individuals alive in the
> critical care wards...etc...
>
> you should have the utmost respect for these professionals...some day
> those herbs and spices aren't going to do the trick...and you will be
> thankful for the men and women in white (joke..no one wears white
> anymore).....they are the backbone of our healthcare system
>
> I am wildly proud of being a nurse...
> "Vernon" <anthere@anthere> wrote in message
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"Coleah" <coleah@pacifier.com> wrote in message
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> My primary care nurse practitioner is sharper
> than some doctor's I've seen. She's guided me
> to improved overall health.
good to hear!!
personally I have an excellent MD internist...but would surely not hesitate
to switch my care to the many NPs I know...in fact...just found out today
that my insurance has switched to a cheap XXX HMO..so far..not one of my
providers are on the list!! Yikes....I don't mind paying cash for my
primary care...but dread the thought of needing cardiac surgery...or my
ankle tendon replaced...and having only the choice of a third rate hospital
and surgeon....yikes...cannot wait for Medicare in 2.5 years!!
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> "Hawki" <Hawki63@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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| Jan Drew 2006-10-21, 2:29 am |
| Hawki" <Hawk...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> "Hawki" <Hawk...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13954142/
> Drug errors injure more than 1.5 million a year Report calls for all
> prescriptions to be electronic by 2010 WASHINGTON - More than 1.5 million
> Americans are injured every year by drug errors in hospitals, nursing
> homes and doctor's offices, a count that doesn't even estimate patients'
> own medication mix-ups, says a report that calls for major steps to
> increase patient safety.
> Once again Hawki is a nurse.
and your point is??
yikes, my point is above.
and now that you mention it...you are NOT a nurse....so keep your bs to
groups that might care
FYI, as you well know, I came here because I used alternative methods with
success.
This IS an *alternative* newsgroups.
FACT, there are some that do care, in fact they have thanked me for my posts
and message.
you bore the rest of us here ...the real nurses I mean...with your
blather...
That is the behavior from the nurses here on MHA.
don't they have a group solely for preschool dropouts??
Point made!!
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| Jan Drew 2006-10-21, 2:29 am |
| Hawki" <Hawk...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message:
well...at least you are consistent...
reposting your blather until you think someone may care
LOL
That must be the problem. You as a nurse don't care that so many needless
mistakes and deaths are made in hospitals.
Indeed I am consistent. I care. As a matter of fact enough to actually
help.
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| Jan Drew 2006-10-21, 2:29 am |
| Hawki" <Hawk...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
and you are a failed preschool teacher...
Wrong.
that makes you the expert??
No, I have never claimed to be an expert.
yeah I forgot
ps...we real nurses would love it if you left our professional ng off your
list...
*I* didn't put you on the list. You can't figure that out?
The list of the first posting was the same. But--you knew that.
tho you give us a needed laugh
That's a real pity that you are laughing.
Very bad example for a nurse. Thinks Drug errors are funny.
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