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| Mr-Natural-Health 2005-10-06, 10:48 pm |
| The Suppression of New Offerings in Health Care
http://www.northamericanconsumersag...ealthfraud.org/
"Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen
If the American (allopathic) Medical System were in charge of our
computer industry, we'd all still be using #2 pencils, and we'd
have to get a license to use an eraser. It's that bad. The medical
system is a brutal monopoly, restricting, through a series of
maneuvers, Americans to fourth rate health care options - a maintenance
of the status quo. There is a conspiracy to keep this faulty system in
place - it's all about money. Lots of money.
Contributing to the problem is that health, for some reason, has gotten
itself regulated by the government, And, that IS NOT a good thing.
Hoards of bureaucrats search endlessly for one more reason to increase
their department size, feather their nest, by inventing and
implementing new rules and restrictions, at the expense of the health
of the American people. There is nothing like a government agency to
screw up a good thing.
Not only is the status quo American medical system the #1 killer of
Americans, but it also seeks out, and kills, or tries to kill, those
trying to revise the system, and solve the problems. It especially
goes after those health leaders who dare to suggest innovation in
health care, new health paradigms, new ways of thinking, new approaches
to mankind's illnesses and their causes."
Read more at:
http://www.northamericanconsumersag...ealthfraud.org/
--
Recommended anti-crackpot web pages:
http://www.usdoj.gov/dag/pubdoc/hipaa01fe19.htm
http://www.quackpotwatch.org/
http://www.bolenreport.net/
http://www.iahf.com/
http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/.../uslawsuits.htm
http://www.wcanews.com/archives/2002/may2202c.htm
http://www.nutritioninstituteofamer...ByMedicine1.htm
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| Mark Probert 2005-10-06, 10:48 pm |
| Mr-Natural-Health wrote:
> The Suppression of New Offerings in Health Care
> http://www.northamericanconsumersag...ealthfraud.org/
> "Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen
thanks for a good laugh.
It has been said that opinions are like assholes, everybody has one. In
Bolen's situation, it is a case of self possession.
That is just my opinion, but, unlike yours, it is based on reality.
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| outsor@citynet.net 2005-10-06, 10:48 pm |
| Naturally mr. natural doesn't suppress his true views on many topics.
Mr. "natural health" just being a natural bigot recently posted the below,
naturally:
"I love to watch a bunch of scientist want-a-bees make fools out of
themselves by parading around like a bunch of niggers living in New
Orleans."
"Sounds like something the nigger would say to the white lady that he was
raping in the Astro Dome.
The more slime is offended, the better I like it."
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<outsor@citynet.net> wrote in message
news:434546c7$0$277$4d5ecec7@reader.city-net.com...
> Naturally mr. natural doesn't suppress his true views on many topics.
> Mr. "natural health" just being a natural bigot recently posted the below,
> naturally:
>
> "I love to watch a bunch of scientist want-a-bees make fools out of
> themselves by parading around like a bunch of niggers living in New
> Orleans."
>
> "Sounds like something the nigger would say to the white lady that he was
> raping in the Astro Dome.
>
> The more slime is offended, the better I like it."
I kind of resent his choice of a title, too. Even though R. Crumb's "Mr.
Natural" character wears a white (or sometimes yellow) gown-like garment,
there is no other hint that he is Klan or in any way racist. Gohde's
borrowing of the name defames the original Mr. Natural.
http://www.stat.pitt.edu/stoffer/Crumb.html
--
--Rich
Recommended websites:
http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
http://www.acahf.org.au
http://www.quackwatch.org/
http://www.skeptic.com/
http://www.csicop.org/
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| Jim Chinnis 2005-10-06, 10:48 pm |
| outsor@citynet.net wrote in part:
>Naturally mr. natural doesn't suppress his true views on many topics.
>Mr. "natural health" just being a natural bigot recently posted the below,
>naturally:
>
>"I love to watch a bunch of scientist want-a-bees make fools out of
>themselves by parading around like a bunch of niggers living in New
>Orleans."
>
>"Sounds like something the nigger would say to the white lady that he was
>raping in the Astro Dome.
>
>The more slime is offended, the better I like it."
Why not just put Gohde in your killfile as I have instead of posting this
over and over? If you keep this up I will have to killfile you. (I'm sure
some are now busily killfiling me, though I try to stay out of this sort of
nonsense.)
--
Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA jchinnis@alum.mit.edu
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| outsor@citynet.net 2005-10-06, 10:48 pm |
| "Why not just put Gohde in your killfile as I have instead of posting this
over and over? If you keep this up I will have to killfile you. (I'm sure
some are now busily killfiling me, though I try to stay out of this sort
of nonsense.)"
We want to make sure, at least for some time, that readers of mr.
natural's postings have a full view of the person so as to judge contents
based on his character. Pardon me if it is offending some.
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| Mr-Natural-Health 2005-10-06, 10:48 pm |
|
Mark Probert wrote:
> Mr-Natural-Health wrote:
>
> thanks for a good laugh.
>
> It has been said that opinions are like assholes, everybody has one. In
> Bolen's situation, it is a case of self possession.
>
> That is just my opinion, but, unlike yours, it is based on reality.
How about commenting on the following opinion?
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Ilena Rose
Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 09:29:37 -0600
Subject: Re: QuackPot Watch
To:
On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 17:31:43 -0400, Mark Probert
<markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote:
>Pizza Girl. wrote:
>
>Not even Jan Drew or Ilena Rosenthal would buy that. You surely do have
>to check in for a check up from the neck up.
Hi Pizza Girl!
Probert has taken many disguises ... including "Marla Maples" etc.
etc. etc.
He is not, Richard Jacobson however.
Ever since his Handlers from Ratbags/quackwatch.com lost to me in
Superior Court ... he and others from this guerrilla team have
harassed and used fake names and real ones to do some.
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/quackbustersvsilena.htm
For details:
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/PropagandistProbert.html
For details on his disbarrment:
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/SandraProbert.htm
Sandra & Mark Probert own/control the "Ilena Rosenthal Fan Club" such
deviants they are.
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| Mr-Natural-Health 2005-10-06, 10:48 pm |
| outsor@citynet.net wrote:
> We want to make sure, at least for some time, that readers of mr.
> natural's postings have a full view of the person so as to judge contents
> based on his character. Pardon me if it is offending some.
Yeah, whatever ... crackpot!
As promised, in my last thread, this is week #2. That means a new
thread for this week. Next week, week #3 there will be another new
thread. And, so on and so and on.
Why? It is very simple really. 
I just don't like having been harassed by crackpots like you for the
last 6 years on these ngs. You are a crackpot. You guys are nothing
but crackpots, and I plain do NOT like you. 
You are just plain negative and nasty.
You have the personality of a constipated warthog.
You are a Benjamin Rush of the new millennium.
http://pages.hosting.domaindirect.c...ctive.com/tu...
"Benjamin Rush (1745-1813) was a member of the Continental Congress, a
signer of the Declaration of Independence, a combater of yellow fever,
the founder of psychiatry in America, and an obstinate believer in
miasmas and bloodletting. Rush was arguably the most famous and
influential American doctor of his time. He is, also, the classic
example of everything that is wrong with allopaths."
"Some allopaths, like Rush, used science, but none of them used the
scientific method in their practices."
Sorry to inform you, but YOU are NOT:
1. Practicing the scientific method, now.
2. Furthering the noble cause of the scientific method, now.
Anybody can claim to believe in science, but that is not what counts.
Nor, has it ever counted.
Only the scientific method counts, and you dear fool are NOT presently
engaging in the scientific method in any shape, way, or form.
What you are presently doing is engaging in slime-bucket tactics, that
actually mocks the high road of the scientific method.
Just my opinion, but I am right as usual.
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| Jim Chinnis 2005-10-06, 10:48 pm |
| outsor@citynet.net wrote in part:
>"Why not just put Gohde in your killfile as I have instead of posting this
>over and over? If you keep this up I will have to killfile you. (I'm sure
>some are now busily killfiling me, though I try to stay out of this sort
>of nonsense.)"
>
>We want to make sure, at least for some time, that readers of mr.
>natural's postings have a full view of the person so as to judge contents
>based on his character. Pardon me if it is offending some.
You don't give readers enough credit.
--
Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA
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| Mark Probert 2005-10-06, 10:48 pm |
| Mr-Natural-Health wrote:
> Mark Probert wrote:
>
>
>
> How about commenting on the following opinion?
No thanks. I have been commenting on the NetStalker for years. She has a
vivid imagination and a need to be a victim, while she victimizes others
by contacting employers and in my case, my wife. In fact, I was not the
first.
I do not think that even you would stoop so low as to do that.
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| Mark Probert 2005-10-06, 10:48 pm |
| Jim Chinnis wrote:
> outsor@citynet.net wrote in part:
>
>
>
>
> Why not just put Gohde in your killfile as I have instead of posting this
> over and over? If you keep this up I will have to killfile you. (I'm sure
> some are now busily killfiling me, though I try to stay out of this sort of
> nonsense.)
I do not killfile bigots for the same reason I would not have kill filed
Nazis in the 1930's. Back then, too many people used mental killfiles.
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| LadyLollipop 2005-10-06, 10:48 pm |
|
"Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
news:iPg1f.239$Hm3.52@fe09.lga...
> Mr-Natural-Health wrote:
>
> No thanks. <snip>
Mark's record follows him. He made his own bed, he does NOT like the
results.
He has NO one to blame except HIMSELF!!!!
The below is EXACTLY how HE started it!
From: "Marla Maples" <marla_map...@hotmail.com>
To: i...@san.rr.com
Subject: Listserv?
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 06:50:44 -0800
Good morning!
I am a woman who was harmed by breast implants. I had them removed, but I am
still sick with FM and CFS.
I read the newsgroup where you are medciless atacked. I feel so sorry for
you.
I see that you have a support listserv. Can I sign up? That way, I can avoid
reading all that horrible stuff.
Marla Maples
Medford, OR
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| Eric Bohlman 2005-10-06, 10:48 pm |
| Mark Probert <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in
news:lQg1f.240$Hm3.185@fe09.lga:
> I do not killfile bigots for the same reason I would not have kill
> filed Nazis in the 1930's. Back then, too many people used mental
> killfiles.
I think you have to distinguish between genuine bigots, people who hold,
act upon, and promote bigoted beliefs, and trolls or attention seekers
who use racially or ethnically offensive language simply to get a rise
out of people. The latter are best ignored, freeing up time to expose,
debunk, and ridicule the former.
In fact, focussing too much on the latter type can actually backfire.
Fred Phelps is a good example. Because he's easily seen to be a
crackpot, focussing too much attention on, say, his anti-gay beliefs (I
picked those because they're one of the few pet causes of his that are
shared by a substantial number of non-crackpots) makes it look like only
crackpots hold such beliefs and that the beliefs are therefore not much
of a threat. The real danger is that bigots who don't act like crackpots
come off looking much more reasonable and less threatening than they
really are (by the way, there are also positive uses of this effect. We
now tend to think of Martin Luther King Jr. as representing the
"moderate" side of the civil rights movement, but in fact he was widely
regarded as a "radical" until Malcolm X came along to make King look
"moderate" by comparison and therefore more palatable to the mainstream).
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| Pizza Girl. 2005-10-06, 10:48 pm |
| I remember that one. It was Mark the Pervert trying to cop a feel of himself
and it backfired. Cost him/her double to get them removed again.
"LadyLollipop" <LadyLollipop@insightbb.com> wrote in message
news:9ci1f.402964$x96.119970@attbi_s72...
:
: "Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
: news:iPg1f.239$Hm3.52@fe09.lga...
: > Mr-Natural-Health wrote:
: >> Mark Probert wrote:
: >>
: >>>Mr-Natural-Health wrote:
: >>>
: >>>>The Suppression of New Offerings in Health Care
: >>>>http://www.northamericanconsumersag...ealthfraud.org/
: >>>>"Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen
: >>>
: >>>thanks for a good laugh.
: >>>
: >>>It has been said that opinions are like assholes, everybody has one. In
: >>>Bolen's situation, it is a case of self possession.
: >>>
: >>>That is just my opinion, but, unlike yours, it is based on reality.
: >>
: >>
: >> How about commenting on the following opinion?
: >
: > No thanks. <snip>
:
: Mark's record follows him. He made his own bed, he does NOT like the
: results.
:
: He has NO one to blame except HIMSELF!!!!
:
: The below is EXACTLY how HE started it!
:
: From: "Marla Maples" <marla_map...@hotmail.com>
: To: i...@san.rr.com
: Subject: Listserv?
: Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 06:50:44 -0800
: Good morning!
: I am a woman who was harmed by breast implants. I had them removed, but I
am
: still sick with FM and CFS.
: I read the newsgroup where you are medciless atacked. I feel so sorry for
: you.
: I see that you have a support listserv. Can I sign up? That way, I can
avoid
: reading all that horrible stuff.
: Marla Maples
: Medford, OR
:
:
:
:
:
:
:
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|
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| Jim Chinnis 2005-10-06, 10:48 pm |
| Mark Probert <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in part:
>Jim Chinnis wrote:
>
>I do not killfile bigots for the same reason I would not have kill filed
>Nazis in the 1930's.
You would have tuned in to all their speeches and heard them out?
> Back then, too many people used mental killfiles.
I only had to hear what Gohde had to say once. After that, I can safely say
I have no interest in him whatsoever. He's a dime a dozen.
--
Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA jchinnis@alum.mit.edu
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| Mr-Natural-Health 2005-10-07, 9:46 pm |
| "Federally 'Indict' Merck Executives...
http://www.northamericanconsumersag...04&list=hfalert
Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen
We need a health care 'Nuremberg...'
Shortly after South Carolina MD Jim Shortt was falsely accused of
killing a female Multiple Sclerosis (MS) patient this year, supposedly
by applying a Hydrogen Peroxide IV to get rid of viruses and bacteria,
armed Federal, State, and local law enforcement agents, in almost a
'Waco style' assault team, donned their body armor, their mirrored
sunglasses, activated their Public Relations teams, and screamed and
battered their way into Shortt's West Columbia, South Carolina clinic.
With guns and warrant on hand, they seized everything in sight.
Although medical literature clearly shows that Hydrogen Peroxide IV, to
get rid of viruses and bacteria, has been around for over ninety (90)
years, and records show that over a million treatments have been made,
with NO DEATHS, ever recorded, the mere 'allegation' of death, false
that it was, and made by an elected official with no medical training,
caused a massive assault by US law enforcement.
Now let's get real here. It looks to me that US law enforcement has a
'policy' here of 'zero tolerance' for death by a faulty health
treatment. If that's the case, than I think we should be soon watching
a humungous raid of Big Pharma giant Merck. For Merck, by US FDA
investigation, has killed over 55,000 people with its Vioxx drug
alone..
Read more at:
http://www.northamericanconsumersag...04&list=hfalert
--
The above is a direct quotation of what is clearly labeled as an
opinion piece written by Tim Bolen, and is reproduced here under the
fair use doctrine (http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html).
"Tim Bolen is a Crisis Management Consultant, and a Consumer Advocate,
in the Health Care Industry."
http://www.quackpotwatch.org/opinio...tim%20bolen.htm
The views expressed above are solely the opinion of Tim Bolen. The
poster, the newsgroups, nor any other Internet forum that this and
previous posts might appear on do NOT necessarily subscribe to any of
the views expressed on these opinion pieces written by Tim Bolen.
Recommended anti-quackbusters web pages:
http://www.quackpotwatch.org/
http://www.bolenreport.net/
http://www.northamericanconsumersag...ealthfraud.org/
http://www.iahf.com/
http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/.../uslawsuits.htm
http://www.wcanews.com/archives/2002/may2202c.htm
http://www.usdoj.gov/dag/pubdoc/hipaa01fe19.htm
http://www.nutritioninstituteofamer...ByMedicine1.htm
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| cathyb 2005-10-07, 9:46 pm |
|
Mr-Natural-Health wrote:
> "Federally 'Indict' Merck Executives...
> http://www.northamericanconsumersag...04&list=hfalert
> Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen
>
> We need a health care 'Nuremberg...'
>
> Shortly after South Carolina MD Jim Shortt was falsely accused of
> killing a female Multiple Sclerosis (MS) patient this year, supposedly
> by applying a Hydrogen Peroxide IV to get rid of viruses and bacteria,
> armed Federal, State, and local law enforcement agents, in almost a
> 'Waco style' assault team, donned their body armor, their mirrored
> sunglasses, activated their Public Relations teams, and screamed and
> battered their way into Shortt's West Columbia, South Carolina clinic.
> With guns and warrant on hand, they seized everything in sight.
>
> Although medical literature clearly shows that Hydrogen Peroxide IV, to
> get rid of viruses and bacteria, has been around for over ninety (90)
> years, and records show that over a million treatments have been made,
> with NO DEATHS, ever recorded, the mere 'allegation' of death, false
> that it was, and made by an elected official with no medical training,
> caused a massive assault by US law enforcement.
>
> Now let's get real here. It looks to me that US law enforcement has a
> 'policy' here of 'zero tolerance' for death by a faulty health
> treatment. If that's the case, than I think we should be soon watching
> a humungous raid of Big Pharma giant Merck. For Merck, by US FDA
> investigation, has killed over 55,000 people with its Vioxx drug
> alone..
>
> Read more at:
> http://www.northamericanconsumersag...04&list=hfalert
>
> --
> The above is a direct quotation of what is clearly labeled as an
> opinion piece written by Tim Bolen, and is reproduced here under the
> fair use doctrine (http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html).
>
> "Tim Bolen is a Crisis Management Consultant, and a Consumer Advocate,
> in the Health Care Industry."
> http://www.quackpotwatch.org/opinio...tim%20bolen.htm
>
> The views expressed above are solely the opinion of Tim Bolen. The
> poster, the newsgroups, nor any other Internet forum that this and
> previous posts might appear on do NOT necessarily subscribe to any of
> the views expressed on these opinion pieces written by Tim Bolen.
>
> Recommended anti-quackbusters web pages:
> http://www.quackpotwatch.org/
> http://www.bolenreport.net/
> http://www.northamericanconsumersag...ealthfraud.org/
> http://www.iahf.com/
> http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/.../uslawsuits.htm
> http://www.wcanews.com/archives/2002/may2202c.htm
> http://www.usdoj.gov/dag/pubdoc/hipaa01fe19.htm
> http://www.nutritioninstituteofamer...ByMedicine1.htm
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005...ain666489.shtml
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| Mark Probert 2005-10-07, 9:46 pm |
| LadyLollipop, a/k/a Jan Drew, the DE-licensed day care operator who has
never proven that she was not shut down by the state of Indiana,, in
furtherance of her NETSTALKING and HARASSMENT, wrote:
> "Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
> news:iPg1f.239$Hm3.52@fe09.lga...
>
Jna's snippage restored:
I have been commenting on the NetStalker for years. She has a vivid
imagination and a need to be a victim, while she victimizes others by
contacting employers and in my case, my wife. In fact, I was not the first.
I do not think that even you would stoop so low as to do that.
However, Jan sure does a good job of stooping.
[vbcol=seagreen]
> Mark's record follows him. He made his own bed,
Jan has no basis to know what is going on in my bed. She may have a
secret fantasy wish to know it, but, I do have my standards.
he does NOT like the
> results.
>
> He has NO one to blame except HIMSELF!!!!
>
> The below is EXACTLY how HE started it!
Historical revisionism from Jan. She knows the history and still lies to
further her nefarious agenda.
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| Mark Probert 2005-10-07, 9:46 pm |
| Pizza Girl. wrote:
> I remember that one.
That is a lie. You would need a brain to remember, and there is no
evidence that you have one.
| |
| Mark Probert 2005-10-07, 9:46 pm |
| Jim Chinnis wrote:
> Mark Probert <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in part:
>
>
>
> You would have tuned in to all their speeches and heard them out?
It is better to know your enemy.
>
> I only had to hear what Gohde had to say once. After that, I can safely say
> I have no interest in him whatsoever. He's a dime a dozen.
You are overpaying.
> --
> Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA jchinnis@alum.mit.edu
| |
| Mark Probert 2005-10-07, 9:46 pm |
| Mr-Natural-Health wrote:
> "Federally 'Indict' Merck Executives...
> http://www.northamericanconsumersag...04&list=hfalert
> Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen
>
> We need a health care 'Nuremberg...'
>
> Shortly after South Carolina MD Jim Shortt was falsely accused of
> killing a female Multiple Sclerosis (MS) patient this year, supposedly
> by applying a Hydrogen Peroxide IV to get rid of viruses and bacteria,
> armed Federal, State, and local law enforcement agents, in almost a
> 'Waco style' assault team, donned their body armor, their mirrored
> sunglasses, activated their Public Relations teams, and screamed and
> battered their way into Shortt's West Columbia, South Carolina clinic.
> With guns and warrant on hand, they seized everything in sight.
My hyperbole strikes again. Bolen will defend any murderer so long as it
is an alternative practitioner. In addition to killing two patients, he
is a steroid drug pusher.
http://election.cbsnews.com/stories...ain666489.shtml
http://www.medicalconversation.com/...ead.php?t=24800
http://www.disease-information.com/...106&postcount=9
http://tinyurl.com/an6sb
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| Mark Probert 2005-10-07, 9:46 pm |
| Eric Bohlman wrote:
> Mark Probert <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in
> news:lQg1f.240$Hm3.185@fe09.lga:
>
>
>
>
> I think you have to distinguish between genuine bigots, people who hold,
> act upon, and promote bigoted beliefs, and trolls or attention seekers
> who use racially or ethnically offensive language simply to get a rise
> out of people. The latter are best ignored, freeing up time to expose,
> debunk, and ridicule the former.
OK, then Gohde is a bigoted attention seeking troll.
I do make that distinction, having had serious run ins with such
infamous bigots and revisionists as M a t t G i w e r many years ago
in the BBS Fido world.
> In fact, focussing too much on the latter type can actually backfire.
> Fred Phelps is a good example. Because he's easily seen to be a
> crackpot, focussing too much attention on, say, his anti-gay beliefs (I
> picked those because they're one of the few pet causes of his that are
> shared by a substantial number of non-crackpots) makes it look like only
> crackpots hold such beliefs and that the beliefs are therefore not much
> of a threat. The real danger is that bigots who don't act like crackpots
> come off looking much more reasonable and less threatening than they
> really are (by the way, there are also positive uses of this effect. We
> now tend to think of Martin Luther King Jr. as representing the
> "moderate" side of the civil rights movement, but in fact he was widely
> regarded as a "radical" until Malcolm X came along to make King look
> "moderate" by comparison and therefore more palatable to the mainstream).
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| LadyLollipop 2005-10-07, 9:46 pm |
|
"Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
news:z1v1f.8652$Ge5.7100@fe10.lga...
> LadyLollipop, a/k/a Jan Drew, the DE-licensed day care operator who has
> never proven that she was not shut down by the state of Indiana,, in
> furtherance of her NETSTALKING and HARASSMENT, wrote:
Poor Mark.
If my daycare centers had been shut down by the state of Indiana the State
would have a record, for all to see.
>
>
> Jna's snippage restored:
>
> I have been commenting on the NetStalker for years. She has a vivid
> imagination and a need to be a victim, while she victimizes others by
> contacting employers and in my case, my wife. In fact, I was not the
> first.
>
> I do not think that even you would stoop so low as to do that.
>
> However, Jan sure does a good job of stooping.
>
>
>
> Jan has no basis to know what is going on in my bed. She may have a secret
> fantasy wish to know it, but, I do have my standards.
>
> he does NOT like the
>
> Historical revisionism from Jan. She knows the history and still lies to
> further her nefarious agenda.
Poor Mark has NO one to blame except HIMSELF!!!!
The below is EXACTLY how HE started it!
From: "Marla Maples" <marla_map...@hotmail.com>
To: i...@san.rr.com
Subject: Listserv?
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 06:50:44 -0800
Good morning!
I am a woman who was harmed by breast implants. I had them removed, but I am
still sick with FM and CFS.
I read the newsgroup where you are medciless atacked. I feel so sorry for
you.
I see that you have a support listserv. Can I sign up? That way, I can avoid
reading all that horrible stuff.
Marla Maples
Medford, OR
| |
| LadyLollipop 2005-10-07, 9:46 pm |
|
"Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote
<lies sniped>.
Poor Mark
[vbcol=seagreen]
> Mr-Natural-Health wrote:
| |
| Mark Probert 2005-10-07, 9:46 pm |
| LadyLollipop wrote:
> "Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
> news:z1v1f.8652$Ge5.7100@fe10.lga...
>
>
>
> Poor Mark.
>
> If my daycare centers had been shut down by the state of Indiana the State
> would have a record, for all to see.
What was the name of the center and how long does the state keep
records? IIRC your center was closed over a decade ago, thus making it
somewhat unlikely that it would be available online.
[vbcol=seagreen]
> Poor Mark has NO one to blame except HIMSELF!!!!
When Rich posts about you and your late parents, remind me to remind you
of that.
| |
|
|
| Mr-Natural-Health 2005-10-10, 9:38 am |
| Mark Probert wrote:
> Bolen will defend any murderer so long as it
> is an alternative practitioner.
Ah! The classic negative attitude of a scientist in action.
Ha, ... Hah, Ha!
You are just plain negative and nasty.
You have the personality of a constipated warthog.
You are a Benjamin Rush of the new millennium.
http://pages.hosting.domaindirect.c...ctive.com/tu...
"Benjamin Rush (1745-1813) was a member of the Continental Congress, a
signer of the Declaration of Independence, a combater of yellow fever,
the founder of psychiatry in America, and an obstinate believer in
miasmas and bloodletting. Rush was arguably the most famous and
influential American doctor of his time. He is, also, the classic
example of everything that is wrong with allopaths."
"Some allopaths, like Rush, used science, but none of them used the
scientific method in their practices."
Sorry to inform you, but YOU are NOT:
1. Practicing the scientific method, now.
2. Furthering the noble cause of the scientific method, now.
Anybody can claim to believe in science, but that is not what counts.
Nor, has it ever counted.
Only the scientific method counts, and you dear fool are NOT presently
engaging in the scientific method in any shape, way, or form.
What you are presently doing is engaging in slime-bucket tactics, that
actually mocks the high road of the scientific method.
Just my opinion, but I am right as usual.
--
Recommended anti-crackpot web pages:
http://www.quackpotwatch.org/
http://www.bolenreport.net/
http://www.northamericanconsumersag...ealthfraud.org/
http://www.iahf.com/
http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/.../uslawsuits.htm
http://www.wcanews.com/archives/2002/may2202c.htm
http://www.usdoj.gov/dag/pubdoc/hipaa01fe19.htm
http://www.nutritioninstituteofamer...ByMedicine1.htm
| |
| Mr-Natural-Health 2005-10-10, 9:38 am |
|
> "Now let's get real here. It looks to me that US law enforcement has a
> 'policy' here of 'zero tolerance' for death by a faulty health
> treatment. If that's the case, than I think we should be soon watching
> a humungous raid of Big Pharma giant Merck. For Merck, by US FDA
> investigation, has killed over 55,000 people with its Vioxx drug
> alone.."
>
> Read more at:
> http://www.northamericanconsumersag...04&list=hfalert
Yeah, let us get real now, Mark Probert. If Merck kills 55,000 persons
with their Vioxx drug, it is a big so what. If a physician kills a
patient by prescribing Vioxx, it is a big so what.
But, if one gravely ill alternative medicine patient dies the doctor is
arrested for homocide.
Gravely ill patients tend to die, Mark Probert. Just thought that the
Crackpot might want to know.
Naturally, you missed the entire point of that newsletter.
Your reading skills suck, Mark Probert.
You have my condolences, Crackpot.
--
Recommended anti-crackpot web pages:
http://www.quackpotwatch.org/
http://www.bolenreport.net/
http://www.northamericanconsumersag...ealthfraud.org/
http://www.iahf.com/
http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/.../uslawsuits.htm
http://www.wcanews.com/archives/2002/may2202c.htm
http://www.usdoj.gov/dag/pubdoc/hipaa01fe19.htm
http://www.nutritioninstituteofamer...ByMedicine1.htm
| |
| Mark Probert 2005-10-10, 9:38 am |
| Mark Probert wrote:
> LadyLollipop wrote:
>
>
>
> What was the name of the center and how long does the state keep
> records? IIRC your center was closed over a decade ago, thus making it
> somewhat unlikely that it would be available online.
No answer....
| |
| Mark Probert 2005-10-10, 9:38 am |
| Mr-Natural-Health wrote:
> Mark Probert wrote:
>
>
>
> Ah! The classic negative attitude of a scientist in action.
I am not a scientist. And, you are correct, if Bolen was a scientist, he
would fit your comment to a 'T'.
> Ha, ... Hah, Ha!
>
> You are just plain negative and nasty.
Wrong. I am positive you are a loon. I am equally positive that Bolen
will defend any alternative murderer.
> You have the personality of a constipated warthog.
Yes, you are an expert on consitipation.
> You are a Benjamin Rush of the new millennium.
> http://pages.hosting.domaindirect.c...ctive.com/tu...
>
> "Benjamin Rush (1745-1813) was a member of the Continental Congress, a
> signer of the Declaration of Independence, a combater of yellow fever,
> the founder of psychiatry in America,
Yes, I would fit that mold.
and an obstinate believer in
> miasmas and bloodletting. Rush was arguably the most famous and
> influential American doctor of his time. He is, also, the classic
> example of everything that is wrong with allopaths."
>
> "Some allopaths, like Rush, used science, but none of them used the
> scientific method in their practices."
>
> Sorry to inform you, but YOU are NOT:
> 1. Practicing the scientific method, now.
> 2. Furthering the noble cause of the scientific method, now.
I am not claiming to do those things. Thus, you do not have a point.
> Anybody can claim to believe in science, but that is not what counts.
> Nor, has it ever counted.
>
> Only the scientific method counts, and you dear fool are NOT presently
> engaging in the scientific method in any shape, way, or form.
>
> What you are presently doing is engaging in slime-bucket tactics, that
> actually mocks the high road of the scientific method.
>
> Just my opinion, but I am right as usual.
Yes, you are as right as you usually are, which means that you have yet
to be right.
| |
| Mark Probert 2005-10-10, 9:38 am |
| Mr-Natural-Health wrote:
>
>
> Yeah, let us get real now, Mark Probert. If Merck kills 55,000 persons
> with their Vioxx drug, it is a big so what. If a physician kills a
> patient by prescribing Vioxx, it is a big so what.
The fact is that Vioxx was a legal medication and is an effective
treatment for pain.
H2O2 IV is neither.
> But, if one gravely ill alternative medicine patient dies the doctor is
> arrested for homocide.
>
> Gravely ill patients tend to die, Mark Probert. Just thought that the
> Crackpot might want to know.
Having MS does not make one inherently gravely ill.
> Naturally, you missed the entire point of that newsletter.
No, I got it. Bolen will defend any murderer so long as the murder was
the result of alternative medicine or he can blame FactbasedMedicine.
> Your reading skills suck, Mark Probert.
Sure.
> You have my condolences, Crackpot.
Please, take them back. You need them far more than I do.
| |
|
|
| Mr-Natural-Health 2005-10-10, 9:38 am |
| The Suppression of New Offerings in Health Care
http://www.northamericanconsumersag...ealthfraud.org/
"Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen
If the American (allopathic) Medical System were in charge of our
computer industry, we'd all still be using #2 pencils, and we'd
have to get a license to use an eraser. It's that bad. The medical
system is a brutal monopoly, restricting, through a series of
maneuvers, Americans to fourth rate health care options - a maintenance
of the status quo. There is a conspiracy to keep this faulty system in
place - it's all about money. Lots of money.
Contributing to the problem is that health, for some reason, has gotten
itself regulated by the government, And, that IS NOT a good thing.
Hoards of bureaucrats search endlessly for one more reason to increase
their department size, feather their nest, by inventing and
implementing new rules and restrictions, at the expense of the health
of the American people. There is nothing like a government agency to
screw up a good thing.
Not only is the status quo American medical system the #1 killer of
Americans, but it also seeks out, and kills, or tries to kill, those
trying to revise the system, and solve the problems. It especially
goes after those health leaders who dare to suggest innovation in
health care, new health paradigms, new ways of thinking, new approaches
to mankind's illnesses and their causes."
Read more at:
http://www.northamericanconsumersag...ealthfraud.org/
--
Recommended anti-crackpot web pages:
http://www.usdoj.gov/dag/pubdoc/hipaa01fe19.htm
http://www.quackpotwatch.org/
http://www.bolenreport.net/
http://www.iahf.com/
http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/.../uslawsuits.htm
http://www.wcanews.com/archives/2002/may2202c.htm
http://www.nutritioninstituteofamer...ByMedicine1.htm
| |
| Mark Probert 2005-10-10, 9:38 am |
| Mr-Natural-Health wrote:
A bigot diverts...
| |
|
|
| Mr-Natural-Health 2005-10-10, 9:39 am |
| Mark Probert wrote:
> A bigot diverts...
Getting your XXX disbarred is pretty damn stupid.
Stupid is as stupid does, eh?
Just thought that the stupid Crackpot might want to be reminded of just
how damn stupid he actually is.
You have my condolences.
| |
|
| In article <LQV1f.12712$Ge5.2464@fe10.lga>, Mark Probert
<markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote:
> Mr-Natural-Health wrote:
>
> BWHAHAHAHAHA
"Calcium Bomb" by Douglas Mulhall and Katja Hansen
dicusses a new treatment program for the treatment
of heart disease. The treatment program discussed
in the book makes more sense and is much safer than
angioplasty and bypass surgery. Hundreds of doctors
in various cities are performing the procedure on
thousands of patients. You will probably never read
about the procedure in any magazine such as Time
and NewsWeek. The reason is simple. The medications
used in the procedure are now off patent and therefore
drug companies will not make hardly any money from
the procedure. If you want the doctor to perform the
procedure, it's unlikely that your health insur. will
pay for it. Douglas Mulhall had to appear on a mid night
radio show to promote the book. You probably will never
see him on any television show such as "Today".
I believe that this is an excellent example of the
"Suppression of New Offerings in Health Care".
--
NEWSGROUP SUBSCRIBERS MOTTO
We respect those subscribers that ask for advice or provide advice.
We do NOT respect the subscribers that enjoy criticizing people.
| |
| Mr-Natural-Health 2005-10-10, 9:39 am |
|
Jason wrote:
>
> "Calcium Bomb" by Douglas Mulhall and Katja Hansen
> dicusses a new treatment program for the treatment
> of heart disease. The treatment program discussed
> in the book makes more sense and is much safer than
> angioplasty and bypass surgery.
> I believe that this is an excellent example of the
> "Suppression of New Offerings in Health Care".
..
http://www.calcify.com/
| |
|
|
"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-0810051401210001@pm1-broad-119.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
> In article <LQV1f.12712$Ge5.2464@fe10.lga>, Mark Probert
> <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote:
>
>
> "Calcium Bomb" by Douglas Mulhall and Katja Hansen
> dicusses a new treatment program for the treatment
> of heart disease. The treatment program discussed
> in the book makes more sense and is much safer than
> angioplasty and bypass surgery. Hundreds of doctors
> in various cities are performing the procedure on
> thousands of patients. You will probably never read
> about the procedure in any magazine such as Time
> and NewsWeek. The reason is simple. The medications
> used in the procedure are now off patent and therefore
> drug companies will not make hardly any money from
> the procedure. If you want the doctor to perform the
> procedure, it's unlikely that your health insur. will
> pay for it.
And just exactly why would insurance companies rather pay for high profit
procedures than low cost effective alternatives? Perhaps they won't pay for
it because it hasn't been proven effective?
> Douglas Mulhall had to appear on a mid night
> radio show to promote the book. You probably will never
> see him on any television show such as "Today".
> I believe that this is an excellent example of the
> "Suppression of New Offerings in Health Care".
>
Mulhall is just another health kook who has written a book about his
crackpot theory that calcium is the cause of nearly every chronic disease.
(Remember when coral calcium was the CURE for damn near everything?) He
loves pseudoscientific terminology like this (from his website):
"What Doctors Found
A nanoparticle that makes otherwise good calcium go bad in the body has been
discovered in many incurable diseases. The invader is so small that it
challenges the definition of life. It uses a calcified shell to form toxic
deposits in the body."
What nonsense! And you want us to take this guy seriously? You think that
the fact that the news shows ignore such nonsense is suppression? You are as
nutty as Mulhall.
--
--Rich
Recommended websites:
http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
http://www.acahf.org.au
http://www.quackwatch.org/
http://www.skeptic.com/
http://www.csicop.org/
| |
| Mark Probert 2005-10-10, 9:39 am |
| Mr-Natural-Health wrote:
> Mark Probert wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Getting your XXX disbarred is pretty damn stupid.
Why would you believe a proven and admitted net stalker?
| |
| Mark Probert 2005-10-10, 9:39 am |
| Jason wrote:
> In article <LQV1f.12712$Ge5.2464@fe10.lga>, Mark Probert
> <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> "Calcium Bomb" by Douglas Mulhall and Katja Hansen
> dicusses a new treatment program for the treatment
> of heart disease. The treatment program discussed
> in the book makes more sense and is much safer than
> angioplasty and bypass surgery. Hundreds of doctors
> in various cities are performing the procedure on
> thousands of patients. You will probably never read
> about the procedure in any magazine such as Time
> and NewsWeek. The reason is simple. The medications
> used in the procedure are now off patent and therefore
> drug companies will not make hardly any money from
> the procedure. If you want the doctor to perform the
> procedure, it's unlikely that your health insur. will
> pay for it. Douglas Mulhall had to appear on a mid night
> radio show to promote the book. You probably will never
> see him on any television show such as "Today".
> I believe that this is an excellent example of the
> "Suppression of New Offerings in Health Care".
Believe what you want. I believe that Bolen is a loon.
| |
| Mark Probert 2005-10-10, 9:39 am |
| Jason wrote:
> In article <LQV1f.12712$Ge5.2464@fe10.lga>, Mark Probert
> <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> "Calcium Bomb" by Douglas Mulhall and Katja Hansen
> dicusses a new treatment program for the treatment
> of heart disease. The treatment program discussed
> in the book makes more sense and is much safer than
> angioplasty and bypass surgery. Hundreds of doctors
> in various cities are performing the procedure on
> thousands of patients. You will probably never read
> about the procedure in any magazine such as Time
> and NewsWeek. The reason is simple. The medications
> used in the procedure are now off patent and therefore
> drug companies will not make hardly any money from
> the procedure. If you want the doctor to perform the
> procedure, it's unlikely that your health insur. will
> pay for it. Douglas Mulhall had to appear on a mid night
> radio show to promote the book. You probably will never
> see him on any television show such as "Today".
> I believe that this is an excellent example of the
> "Suppression of New Offerings in Health Care".
>
http://www.calcify.com/authors.html
I see no evidence that these folks are scientific researchers.
| |
| Mark Probert 2005-10-10, 9:39 am |
| Jason wrote:
> In article <LQV1f.12712$Ge5.2464@fe10.lga>, Mark Probert
> <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> "Calcium Bomb" by Douglas Mulhall and Katja Hansen
> dicusses a new treatment program for the treatment
> of heart disease. The treatment program discussed
> in the book makes more sense and is much safer than
> angioplasty and bypass surgery. Hundreds of doctors
> in various cities are performing the procedure on
> thousands of patients. You will probably never read
> about the procedure in any magazine such as Time
> and NewsWeek. The reason is simple. The medications
> used in the procedure are now off patent and therefore
> drug companies will not make hardly any money from
> the procedure. If you want the doctor to perform the
> procedure, it's unlikely that your health insur. will
> pay for it. Douglas Mulhall had to appear on a mid night
> radio show to promote the book. You probably will never
> see him on any television show such as "Today".
> I believe that this is an excellent example of the
> "Suppression of New Offerings in Health Care".
>
Oh, the testiMOANials are just delightful...radio talk show hosts...
What a joke.,
| |
|
|
| LadyLollipop 2005-10-10, 9:39 am |
|
"Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
news:NTW1f.8927$dl2.3898@fe08.lga...
> Mr-Natural-Health wrote:
>
> Why would you believe a proven and admitted net stalker?
That is one whopper of a lie.
| |
| Mark Probert 2005-10-10, 9:39 am |
| LadyLollipop wrote:
> "Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
> news:NTW1f.8927$dl2.3898@fe08.lga...
>
>
>
> That is one whopper of a lie.
Your handler, Ilena Rosenthal has clearly admitted that she contacted
spouses, etc. This is a characteristic of a net stalker. Why deny what
she has admitted?
And, BTW, when are you going to answer the question about whether you
ever contacted anyone outside usenet about Mark Lowery?
| |
| Pizza Girl. 2005-10-10, 9:39 am |
| Standard denial technique Marky the Pervert uses.
There is no proof we need to breathe. Show me the double blind peer reviewed
studies.
"Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
news:q2v1f.8653$Ge5.1714@fe10.lga...
: Pizza Girl. wrote:
: > I remember that one.
:
: That is a lie. You would need a brain to remember, and there is no
: evidence that you have one.
| |
| Pizza Girl. 2005-10-10, 9:39 am |
| What was the name of 12th Psychiatrist?
No answer?
"Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
news:88S1f.37313$Xa.5419@fe12.lga...
: Mark Probert wrote:
: > LadyLollipop wrote:
: >
: >> "Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
: >> news:z1v1f.8652$Ge5.7100@fe10.lga...
: >>
: >>> LadyLollipop, a/k/a Jan Drew, the DE-licensed day care operator who
: >>> has never proven that she was not shut down by the state of Indiana,,
: >>> in furtherance of her NETSTALKING and HARASSMENT, wrote:
: >>
: >>
: >>
: >> Poor Mark.
: >>
: >> If my daycare centers had been shut down by the state of Indiana the
: >> State would have a record, for all to see.
: >
: >
: > What was the name of the center and how long does the state keep
: > records? IIRC your center was closed over a decade ago, thus making it
: > somewhat unlikely that it would be available online.
:
: No answer....
| |
| Pizza Girl. 2005-10-10, 9:39 am |
| Always some useless comment to add Pervert. It become very obvious that
people like you become very nervous when they suddenly get into the
spotlight. The posting becomes nervous babbling with nothing intelligent to
post.
Your posting quantity has more than doubled in the past week.
tit for tat, Pervert?
Only about 3 more years of it now.
"Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
news:f5v1f.8654$Ge5.8080@fe10.lga...
: Jim Chinnis wrote:
: > Mark Probert <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in part:
: >
: >
: >>Jim Chinnis wrote:
: >>
: >>>outsor@citynet.net wrote in part:
: >>>
: >>>
: >>>
: >>>>Naturally mr. natural doesn't suppress his true views on many topics.
: >>>>Mr. "natural health" just being a natural bigot recently posted the
below,
: >>>>naturally:
: >>>>
: >>>>"I love to watch a bunch of scientist want-a-bees make fools out of
: >>>>themselves by parading around like a bunch of niggers living in New
: >>>>Orleans."
: >>>>
: >>>>"Sounds like something the nigger would say to the white lady that he
was
: >>>>raping in the Astro Dome.
: >>>>
: >>>>The more slime is offended, the better I like it."
: >>>
: >>>
: >>>Why not just put Gohde in your killfile as I have instead of posting
this
: >>>over and over? If you keep this up I will have to killfile you. (I'm
sure
: >>>some are now busily killfiling me, though I try to stay out of this
sort of
: >>>nonsense.)
: >>
: >>I do not killfile bigots for the same reason I would not have kill filed
: >>Nazis in the 1930's.
: >
: > You would have tuned in to all their speeches and heard them out?
:
: It is better to know your enemy.
:
: >>Back then, too many people used mental killfiles.
: >
: > I only had to hear what Gohde had to say once. After that, I can safely
say
: > I have no interest in him whatsoever. He's a dime a dozen.
:
: You are overpaying.
:
: > --
: > Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA jchinnis@alum.mit.edu
| |
| Mark Probert 2005-10-10, 9:39 am |
| Pizza Girl. wrote:
> Standard denial technique Marky the Pervert uses.
>
> There is no proof we need to breathe. Show me the double blind peer reviewed
> studies.
I go look for them. Please hold your breath until I get back to you on
this subject.
>
> "Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
> news:q2v1f.8653$Ge5.1714@fe10.lga...
> : Pizza Girl. wrote:
> : > I remember that one.
> :
> : That is a lie. You would need a brain to remember, and there is no
> : evidence that you have one.
>
>
| |
| Mark Probert 2005-10-10, 9:39 am |
| Pizza Girl. wrote:
> What was the name of 12th Psychiatrist?
You should know.
>
> No answer?
>
> "Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
> news:88S1f.37313$Xa.5419@fe12.lga...
> : Mark Probert wrote:
> : > LadyLollipop wrote:
> : >
> : >> "Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
> : >> news:z1v1f.8652$Ge5.7100@fe10.lga...
> : >>
> : >>> LadyLollipop, a/k/a Jan Drew, the DE-licensed day care operator who
> : >>> has never proven that she was not shut down by the state of Indiana,,
> : >>> in furtherance of her NETSTALKING and HARASSMENT, wrote:
> : >>
> : >>
> : >>
> : >> Poor Mark.
> : >>
> : >> If my daycare centers had been shut down by the state of Indiana the
> : >> State would have a record, for all to see.
> : >
> : >
> : > What was the name of the center and how long does the state keep
> : > records? IIRC your center was closed over a decade ago, thus making it
> : > somewhat unlikely that it would be available online.
> :
> : No answer....
>
>
| |
| Mark Probert 2005-10-10, 9:39 am |
| Pizza Girl. wrote:
> Always some useless comment to add Pervert. It become very obvious that
> people like you become very nervous when they suddenly get into the
> spotlight. The posting becomes nervous babbling with nothing intelligent to
> post.
>
> Your posting quantity has more than doubled in the past week.
>
> tit for tat, Pervert?
WOW! Such an adult post. Did your mommy go out and forget to password
protect her computer?
>
> Only about 3 more years of it now.
>
> "Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
> news:f5v1f.8654$Ge5.8080@fe10.lga...
> : Jim Chinnis wrote:
> : > Mark Probert <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in part:
> : >
> : >
> : >>Jim Chinnis wrote:
> : >>
> : >>>outsor@citynet.net wrote in part:
> : >>>
> : >>>
> : >>>
> : >>>>Naturally mr. natural doesn't suppress his true views on many topics.
> : >>>>Mr. "natural health" just being a natural bigot recently posted the
> below,
> : >>>>naturally:
> : >>>>
> : >>>>"I love to watch a bunch of scientist want-a-bees make fools out of
> : >>>>themselves by parading around like a bunch of niggers living in New
> : >>>>Orleans."
> : >>>>
> : >>>>"Sounds like something the nigger would say to the white lady that he
> was
> : >>>>raping in the Astro Dome.
> : >>>>
> : >>>>The more slime is offended, the better I like it."
> : >>>
> : >>>
> : >>>Why not just put Gohde in your killfile as I have instead of posting
> this
> : >>>over and over? If you keep this up I will have to killfile you. (I'm
> sure
> : >>>some are now busily killfiling me, though I try to stay out of this
> sort of
> : >>>nonsense.)
> : >>
> : >>I do not killfile bigots for the same reason I would not have kill filed
> : >>Nazis in the 1930's.
> : >
> : > You would have tuned in to all their speeches and heard them out?
> :
> : It is better to know your enemy.
> :
> : >>Back then, too many people used mental killfiles.
> : >
> : > I only had to hear what Gohde had to say once. After that, I can safely
> say
> : > I have no interest in him whatsoever. He's a dime a dozen.
> :
> : You are overpaying.
> :
> : > --
> : > Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA jchinnis@alum.mit.edu
>
>
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| Pizza Girl. 2005-10-10, 9:39 am |
| "Shrink" wasn't referring to your penis size.
"Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
news:SR_1f.1909$Hm3.1029@fe09.lga...[vbcol=seagreen]
> Pizza Girl. wrote:
>
> You should know.
>
| |
|
|
| Pramesh Rutajit 2005-10-17, 11:06 am |
| Mark Probert wrote:
> Jason wrote:
>
> http://www.calcify.com/authors.html
>
> I see no evidence that these folks are scientific researchers.
Calcification in coronary artery disease can be reversed by
EDTA-tetracycline long-term chemotherapy.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...4120&query_hl=2
Inhibition of Nanobacteria by Antimicrobial Drugs as Measured by a Modified
Microdilution Method
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/ar...gi?artid=127303
Endotoxin and nanobacteria in polycystic kidney disease.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...4606&query_hl=2
An alternative interpretation of nanobacteria-induced biomineralization
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/ar...cgi?artid=17231
ANTI-NANOBACTERIAL THERAPY FOR MEN WITH CHRONIC PROSTATITIS/CHRONIC PELVIC
PAIN SYNDROME AND PROSTATIC STONES: PRELIMINARY EXPERIENCE.
Journal of Urology. 173(2):474-477, February 2005.
SHOSKES, DANIEL A. *+; THOMAS, KIM D.; GOMEZ, EYDA
http://www.jurology.com/pt/re/juro/...lIZ04Ug2e1hVPGO!-1774793403!-949856145!9001!-1
June 2005: "Proinflammatory Activation of Macrophages by Basic Calcium
Phosphate Crystals via Protein Kinase C and MAP Kinase Pathways - A Vicious
Cycle of Inflammation and Arterial Calcification?" (abstract) by Imad
Nadra, Justin C. Mason, Pandelis Philippidis, Oliver Florey, Cheryl Smythe,
Geraldine M. McCarthy, Robert C. Landis, Dorian O. Haskard in Circulation
Research DOI: 10.1161/01.RES.0000171451.88616.c2 (e-pub ahead of print).
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...5460&query_hl=1
February 2005 - "A potential cause for kidney stone formation during space
flights: Enhanced growth of nanobacteria in microgravity," (abstract) by
Neva Çiftçioglu, Ruwaida S. Haddad, D.C. Golden, Dennis R. Morrison, and
David S. McKay in Kidney International 67 (2): 483, February 2005
http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/li...05.67105.x/abs/
February 2005 - "Anti-Nanobacterial Therapy For
Mehttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15364120n
With Chronic Prostatitis/Chronic Pelvic Pain Syndrome and Prostatic Stones:
Preliminary Experience," (abstract) by Daniel A. Shoskes, Kim D. Thomas,
Eyda Gomez in the Journal of Urology 173(2):474-477, February 2005.
http://www.jurology.com/pt/re/juro/...3QGCdYgiG0cXjtJ!730361133!-949856031!9001!-1?index=1&results=1&count=10&searchid=1&nav=search
December 2004 - "Presence of nanobacteria in psammoma bodies of ovarian
cancer: evidence for pathogenetic role in intratumoral biomineralization"
(abstract) by G. Hudelist, C.F. Singer, E. Kubista, M. Manavi, R. Mueller,
K. Pischinger, K. Czerwenka in the journal Histopathology (2004) 45(6):
633-7.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...t_uids=15569055
November 2004 - "HIV and Nanobacteria" by A.-M. Pretorius, A.P. Sommer, K.M.
Aho, E.O. Kajander in the British HIV Association's journal HIV Medicine
(2004) 5, 391-93.
October 2004 - The international journal Pathophysiology publishes
"Calcification in coronary artery disease can be reversed by
EDTA-tetracycline long-term chemotherapy" (abstract) by B.S. Maniscalco and
K.A. Taylor.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...t_uids=15364120
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Pramesh Rutajit - p2976221tongue@newsguy.com - remove tongue to reply.
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Rich wrote:
>
> "Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:jason-0810051401210001@pm1-broad-119.snlo.dialup.fix.net...
>
> And just exactly why would insurance companies rather pay for high profit
> procedures than low cost effective alternatives? Perhaps they won't pay
> for it because it hasn't been proven effective?
>
>
>
> Mulhall is just another health kook who has written a book about his
> crackpot theory that calcium is the cause of nearly every chronic disease.
> (Remember when coral calcium was the CURE for damn near everything?) He
> loves pseudoscientific terminology like this (from his website):
>
> "What Doctors Found
>
> A nanoparticle that makes otherwise good calcium go bad in the body has
> been discovered in many incurable diseases. The invader is so small that
> it challenges the definition of life. It uses a calcified shell to form
> toxic deposits in the body."
>
>
>
> What nonsense! And you want us to take this guy seriously? You think that
> the fact that the news shows ignore such nonsense is suppression? You are
> as nutty as Mulhall.
Calcification in coronary artery disease can be reversed by
EDTA-tetracycline long-term chemotherapy.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...4120&query_hl=2
Inhibition of Nanobacteria by Antimicrobial Drugs as Measured by a Modified
Microdilution Method
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/ar...gi?artid=127303
Endotoxin and nanobacteria in polycystic kidney disease.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...4606&query_hl=2
An alternative interpretation of nanobacteria-induced biomineralization
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/ar...cgi?artid=17231
ANTI-NANOBACTERIAL THERAPY FOR MEN WITH CHRONIC PROSTATITIS/CHRONIC PELVIC
PAIN SYNDROME AND PROSTATIC STONES: PRELIMINARY EXPERIENCE.
Journal of Urology. 173(2):474-477, February 2005.
SHOSKES, DANIEL A. *+; THOMAS, KIM D.; GOMEZ, EYDA
http://www.jurology.com/pt/re/juro/...lIZ04Ug2e1hVPGO!-1774793403!-949856145!9001!-1
June 2005: "Proinflammatory Activation of Macrophages by Basic Calcium
Phosphate Crystals via Protein Kinase C and MAP Kinase Pathways - A Vicious
Cycle of Inflammation and Arterial Calcification?" (abstract) by Imad
Nadra, Justin C. Mason, Pandelis Philippidis, Oliver Florey, Cheryl Smythe,
Geraldine M. McCarthy, Robert C. Landis, Dorian O. Haskard in Circulation
Research DOI: 10.1161/01.RES.0000171451.88616.c2 (e-pub ahead of print).
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...5460&query_hl=1
February 2005 - "A potential cause for kidney stone formation during space
flights: Enhanced growth of nanobacteria in microgravity," (abstract) by
Neva Çiftçioglu, Ruwaida S. Haddad, D.C. Golden, Dennis R. Morrison, and
David S. McKay in Kidney International 67 (2): 483, February 2005
http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/li...05.67105.x/abs/
February 2005 - "Anti-Nanobacterial Therapy For
Mehttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15364120n
With Chronic Prostatitis/Chronic Pelvic Pain Syndrome and Prostatic Stones:
Preliminary Experience," (abstract) by Daniel A. Shoskes, Kim D. Thomas,
Eyda Gomez in the Journal of Urology 173(2):474-477, February 2005.
http://www.jurology.com/pt/re/juro/...3QGCdYgiG0cXjtJ!730361133!-949856031!9001!-1?index=1&results=1&count=10&searchid=1&nav=search
December 2004 - "Presence of nanobacteria in psammoma bodies of ovarian
cancer: evidence for pathogenetic role in intratumoral biomineralization"
(abstract) by G. Hudelist, C.F. Singer, E. Kubista, M. Manavi, R. Mueller,
K. Pischinger, K. Czerwenka in the journal Histopathology (2004) 45(6):
633-7.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...t_uids=15569055
November 2004 - "HIV and Nanobacteria" by A.-M. Pretorius, A.P. Sommer, K.M.
Aho, E.O. Kajander in the British HIV Association's journal HIV Medicine
(2004) 5, 391-93.
October 2004 - The international journal Pathophysiology publishes
"Calcification in coronary artery disease can be reversed by
EDTA-tetracycline long-term chemotherapy" (abstract) by B.S. Maniscalco and
K.A. Taylor.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...t_uids=15364120
--
Pramesh Rutajit - p2976221tongue@newsguy.com - remove tongue to reply.
| |
| Pramesh Rutajit 2005-10-17, 11:06 am |
| Mark Probert wrote:
> Jason wrote:
>
> Oh, the testiMOANials are just delightful...radio talk show hosts...
>
> What a joke.,
Calcification in coronary artery disease can be reversed by
EDTA-tetracycline long-term chemotherapy.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...4120&query_hl=2
Inhibition of Nanobacteria by Antimicrobial Drugs as Measured by a Modified
Microdilution Method
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/ar...gi?artid=127303
Endotoxin and nanobacteria in polycystic kidney disease.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...4606&query_hl=2
An alternative interpretation of nanobacteria-induced biomineralization
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/ar...cgi?artid=17231
ANTI-NANOBACTERIAL THERAPY FOR MEN WITH CHRONIC PROSTATITIS/CHRONIC PELVIC
PAIN SYNDROME AND PROSTATIC STONES: PRELIMINARY EXPERIENCE.
Journal of Urology. 173(2):474-477, February 2005.
SHOSKES, DANIEL A. *+; THOMAS, KIM D.; GOMEZ, EYDA
http://www.jurology.com/pt/re/juro/...lIZ04Ug2e1hVPGO!-1774793403!-949856145!9001!-1
June 2005: "Proinflammatory Activation of Macrophages by Basic Calcium
Phosphate Crystals via Protein Kinase C and MAP Kinase Pathways - A Vicious
Cycle of Inflammation and Arterial Calcification?" (abstract) by Imad
Nadra, Justin C. Mason, Pandelis Philippidis, Oliver Florey, Cheryl Smythe,
Geraldine M. McCarthy, Robert C. Landis, Dorian O. Haskard in Circulation
Research DOI: 10.1161/01.RES.0000171451.88616.c2 (e-pub ahead of print).
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...5460&query_hl=1
February 2005 - "A potential cause for kidney stone formation during space
flights: Enhanced growth of nanobacteria in microgravity," (abstract) by
Neva Çiftçioglu, Ruwaida S. Haddad, D.C. Golden, Dennis R. Morrison, and
David S. McKay in Kidney International 67 (2): 483, February 2005
http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/li...05.67105.x/abs/
February 2005 - "Anti-Nanobacterial Therapy For
Mehttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15364120n
With Chronic Prostatitis/Chronic Pelvic Pain Syndrome and Prostatic Stones:
Preliminary Experience," (abstract) by Daniel A. Shoskes, Kim D. Thomas,
Eyda Gomez in the Journal of Urology 173(2):474-477, February 2005.
http://www.jurology.com/pt/re/juro/...3QGCdYgiG0cXjtJ!730361133!-949856031!9001!-1?index=1&results=1&count=10&searchid=1&nav=search
December 2004 - "Presence of nanobacteria in psammoma bodies of ovarian
cancer: evidence for pathogenetic role in intratumoral biomineralization"
(abstract) by G. Hudelist, C.F. Singer, E. Kubista, M. Manavi, R. Mueller,
K. Pischinger, K. Czerwenka in the journal Histopathology (2004) 45(6):
633-7.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...t_uids=15569055
November 2004 - "HIV and Nanobacteria" by A.-M. Pretorius, A.P. Sommer, K.M.
Aho, E.O. Kajander in the British HIV Association's journal HIV Medicine
(2004) 5, 391-93.
October 2004 - The international journal Pathophysiology publishes
"Calcification in coronary artery disease can be reversed by
EDTA-tetracycline long-term chemotherapy" (abstract) by B.S. Maniscalco and
K.A. Taylor.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...t_uids=15364120
--
Pramesh Rutajit - p2976221tongue@newsguy.com - remove tongue to reply.
| |
| Mark Probert 2005-10-17, 6:02 pm |
| Pramesh Rutajit wrote:
> Mark Probert wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Calcification in coronary artery disease can be reversed by
> EDTA-tetracycline long-term chemotherapy.
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...4120&query_hl=2
Interesting...research apparently sponsored by a company hoping to make
a profit from CHEATlation. One of the authors is a cardiologist. From
the limited cv posted at his website, I strongly doubt that this
physician would suggest CHEATlation in lieu of CABG in the case where
the LAD is 90% occluded. His references are fully mainstream cardiology.
> Inhibition of Nanobacteria by Antimicrobial Drugs as Measured by a Modified
> Microdilution Method
> http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/ar...gi?artid=127303
Which does not show any effect on coronary artery lumina.
> Endotoxin and nanobacteria in polycystic kidney disease.
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...4606&query_hl=2
>
> An alternative interpretation of nanobacteria-induced biomineralization
> http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/ar...cgi?artid=17231
>
> ANTI-NANOBACTERIAL THERAPY FOR MEN WITH CHRONIC PROSTATITIS/CHRONIC PELVIC
> PAIN SYNDROME AND PROSTATIC STONES: PRELIMINARY EXPERIENCE.
> Journal of Urology. 173(2):474-477, February 2005.
> SHOSKES, DANIEL A. *+; THOMAS, KIM D.; GOMEZ, EYDA
> http://www.jurology.com/pt/re/juro/...lIZ04Ug2e1hVPGO!-1774793403!-949856145!9001!-1
>
> June 2005: "Proinflammatory Activation of Macrophages by Basic Calcium
> Phosphate Crystals via Protein Kinase C and MAP Kinase Pathways - A Vicious
> Cycle of Inflammation and Arterial Calcification?" (abstract) by Imad
> Nadra, Justin C. Mason, Pandelis Philippidis, Oliver Florey, Cheryl Smythe,
> Geraldine M. McCarthy, Robert C. Landis, Dorian O. Haskard in Circulation
> Research DOI: 10.1161/01.RES.0000171451.88616.c2 (e-pub ahead of print).
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...5460&query_hl=1
>
> February 2005 - "A potential cause for kidney stone formation during space
> flights: Enhanced growth of nanobacteria in microgravity," (abstract) by
> Neva Çiftçioglu, Ruwaida S. Haddad, D.C. Golden, Dennis R. Morrison, and
> David S. McKay in Kidney International 67 (2): 483, February 2005
> http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/li...05.67105.x/abs/
>
> February 2005 - "Anti-Nanobacterial Therapy For
> Mehttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15364120n
> With Chronic Prostatitis/Chronic Pelvic Pain Syndrome and Prostatic Stones:
> Preliminary Experience," (abstract) by Daniel A. Shoskes, Kim D. Thomas,
> Eyda Gomez in the Journal of Urology 173(2):474-477, February 2005.
> http://www.jurology.com/pt/re/juro/...3QGCdYgiG0cXjtJ!730361133!-949856031!9001!-1?index=1&results=1&count=10&searchid=1&nav=search
>
> December 2004 - "Presence of nanobacteria in psammoma bodies of ovarian
> cancer: evidence for pathogenetic role in intratumoral biomineralization" | | |