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| pobox-dc@ix.netcom.com 2005-07-21, 5:52 pm |
| Someone sent this to me. Has anyone heard about this?
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I checked this with snopes.com. If anyone wants to check the
good and bad points of this info, you can check it out at:
http://www.snopes.com/crime/prevent/icephone.asp
Paramedics will turn to a victim's cell phone for clues to
that person's identity. You can make their job much easier with a
simple idea that they are trying to get everyone to adopt: ICE.
ICE stands for In Case of Emergency. If you add an entry in
the contacts list in your cell phone under ICE, with the name
and phone no. of the person that the emergency services should
call on your behalf, you can save them a lot of time and have
your loved ones contacted quickly. It only takes a few moments
of your time to do.
Paramedics know what ICE means and they look for it immediately.
ICE your cell phone NOW!
Please pass this one along.
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(ken)
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| Carey Gregory 2005-07-21, 10:53 pm |
| pobox-dc@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>Paramedics know what ICE means and they look for it immediately.
>ICE your cell phone NOW!
Hmmm..... I'd never heard of it until I saw this.
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| Dave S 2005-07-21, 10:53 pm |
| I heard it for the first time on the radio yesterday... so i am guessing
someone got the chain letter who works for the radio station.
Dave
Carey Gregory wrote:
> pobox-dc@ix.netcom.com wrote:
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> Hmmm..... I'd never heard of it until I saw this.
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| Colonel_Flagg 2005-07-21, 10:53 pm |
| In article <42E00262.A759E9BF@ix.netcom.com>, pobox-dc@ix.netcom.com
says...
> Someone sent this to me. Has anyone heard about this?
> -----------------------------------------------------
>
> I checked this with snopes.com. If anyone wants to check the
> good and bad points of this info, you can check it out at:
> http://www.snopes.com/crime/prevent/icephone.asp
>
>
> Paramedics will turn to a victim's cell phone for clues to
> that person's identity. You can make their job much easier with a
> simple idea that they are trying to get everyone to adopt: ICE.
>
> ICE stands for In Case of Emergency. If you add an entry in
> the contacts list in your cell phone under ICE, with the name
> and phone no. of the person that the emergency services should
> call on your behalf, you can save them a lot of time and have
> your loved ones contacted quickly. It only takes a few moments
> of your time to do.
>
> Paramedics know what ICE means and they look for it immediately.
> ICE your cell phone NOW!
>
> Please pass this one along.
> ----------------------------
>
> (ken)
>
well, i hadn't heard of it, but i do have an "ICE" entry in my addy
book.
/CF
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| Carey Gregory 2005-07-24, 12:59 am |
| Dave S <Dastaten@earthlink.net> wrote:
>I heard it for the first time on the radio yesterday... so i am guessing
>someone got the chain letter who works for the radio station.
Well, I think it's a fine idea and all, but telling the public paramedics
always look for this just isn't true. I would bet most have never heard of
it.
So people can go ahead and put that in their cell phones, but until someone
publicizes the idea and gets everyone on the same page, it's probably not
going to be very useful.
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| Sheri 2005-07-24, 12:59 am |
| Most of us don't dig through pockets or look at cell phones to get one's =
identity when we are there to treat their injuries/illness. We call in =
law enforcement (if they aren't already on the scene) and allow them to =
take care of identifying the patient through whatever means is possible =
to them. Our job is to treat their injuries/illness and get them to a =
facility that can continue care as quickly as possible.
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"Carey Gregory" <tiredofspam123@comcast.net> wrote in message =
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> Dave S <Dastaten@earthlink.net> wrote:
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guessing=20[vbcol=seagreen]
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> Well, I think it's a fine idea and all, but telling the public =
paramedics
> always look for this just isn't true. I would bet most have never =
heard of
> it. =20
>=20
> So people can go ahead and put that in their cell phones, but until =
someone
> publicizes the idea and gets everyone on the same page, it's probably =
not
> going to be very useful. =20
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| "Carey Gregory" <tiredofspam123@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:ied0e1tlcft8pljqlnru7647j6v6lnnq71@4ax.com...
> pobox-dc@ix.netcom.com wrote:
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> Hmmm..... I'd never heard of it until I saw this.
>
Me too. Never heard of it.
Plus, what is the likelihood that someone who has a cell phone with them is
not going to have any I.D. with them? If they have their ID with them (with
or without a cell phone), and are worrying about police and EMS knowing who
to contact in case of emergency, why wouldn't they have a card with their ID
that says, "In Case of Emergency, call XYZ at (xxx) xxx-xxxx?
And, if somehow I wanted my cell phone to name a contact person in the call
list, I would just enter that number as, "Next of Kin". Even if the person
I wanted contacted is not my actual next of kin, listing it as that would
get the police, E.R., etc. to call that number first. So, why use some
secret code like "ICE" in the phone list?
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"T-Jay" <TJ@TJLJ.LJ!> wrote in message news:b-qdnXHqBcRvp3jfRVn-pg@comcast.com...
> "Carey Gregory" <tiredofspam123@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:ied0e1tlcft8pljqlnru7647j6v6lnnq71@4ax.com...
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> Me too. Never heard of it.
>
> Plus, what is the likelihood that someone who has a cell phone with them is
> not going to have any I.D. with them? If they have their ID with them (with
> or without a cell phone), and are worrying about police and EMS knowing who
> to contact in case of emergency, why wouldn't they have a card with their ID
> that says, "In Case of Emergency, call XYZ at (xxx) xxx-xxxx?
>
> And, if somehow I wanted my cell phone to name a contact person in the call
> list, I would just enter that number as, "Next of Kin". Even if the person
> I wanted contacted is not my actual next of kin, listing it as that would
> get the police, E.R., etc. to call that number first. So, why use some
> secret code like "ICE" in the phone list?
>
It's not a "secret" code...
ICE = In Case of Emergency..... ;-)
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| "coord" <splunge@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> "T-Jay" <TJ@TJLJ.LJ!> wrote:
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> It's not a "secret" code...
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> ICE = In Case of Emergency..... ;-)
Next of Kin = Next of Kin ---- No decoding necessary.
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| poboxdc@ix.netcom.com 2005-07-26, 11:09 pm |
| T-Jay wrote:
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> "coord" <splunge@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:IsydnQN0WNrPAnjfRVn-jg@comcast.com...
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> Next of Kin = Next of Kin ---- No decoding necessary.
There was a segment on NBC-4 news (Wash, DC) today about this
issue. They said the idea has been passed around the internet
and that paramedics and police would like people to start
making an ICE list in their cell phones. Only problem is (was)
...... most EMS workers don't know about it!
(KM)
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| Carey Gregory 2005-07-28, 8:58 am |
| poboxdc@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>There was a segment on NBC-4 news (Wash, DC) today about this
>issue. They said the idea has been passed around the internet
>and that paramedics and police would like people to start
>making an ICE list in their cell phones.
Who are these paramedics and police?
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| Jerome Senturia 2005-07-28, 8:58 am |
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Carey Gregory wrote:
> poboxdc@ix.netcom.com wrote:
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> Who are these paramedics and police?
Carey,
This thing has taken on a life of its own. The Vermont Association of
General Contractors (Part of the national group of those folks who put
the "tar" on the roads) website has now put this on their website as a
safety tip. I happened to be there looking for a course on traffic
control. --- Like I said earlier, wallet biopsy (usually by the ED folks
or Law Enforcement) is what will happen here since cell phones only work
in a few parts of the great state of Vermont.
Jerry
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| jaj001@iglou.com 2005-07-28, 6:00 pm |
| There was an article this morning 7/28 about some Kentucky authorities
recommending the ICE technique in Kentucky.
ONE BIG Problem. ICE also stands for Immigration and Customs
Enforcement. Some people would need two ICE listings in their
wireless phones. Especially if the person worked with immigration,
ETC.
ICE as a wireless phone entry is BAD BAD BAD!
Think of another idea.
jaj
On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 05:49:24 -0400, Jerome Senturia
<senturiaNOSPAM@pivot.net> wrote:
>
>
>Carey Gregory wrote:
>
>Carey,
>
>This thing has taken on a life of its own. The Vermont Association
of
>General Contractors (Part of the national group of those folks who
put
>the "tar" on the roads) website has now put this on their website as
a
>safety tip. I happened to be there looking for a course on traffic
>control. --- Like I said earlier, wallet biopsy (usually by the ED
folks
>or Law Enforcement) is what will happen here since cell phones only
work[vbcol=seagreen]
>in a few parts of the great state of Vermont.
>
>Jerry
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<jaj001@iglou.com> wrote in message news:2nkie116bfjin6b3ambh2ajk0463lbl32j@4ax.com...
> There was an article this morning 7/28 about some Kentucky authorities
> recommending the ICE technique in Kentucky.
>
> ONE BIG Problem. ICE also stands for Immigration and Customs
> Enforcement. Some people would need two ICE listings in their
> wireless phones. Especially if the person worked with immigration,
> ETC.
>
>
> ICE as a wireless phone entry is BAD BAD BAD!
>
>
> Think of another idea.
>
> jaj
>
Pardon....ICE is a bad idea for millions of people because a few may work for Customs?????????
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| poboxdc@ix.netcom.com 2005-07-28, 10:54 pm |
| Carey Gregory wrote:
>
> poboxdc@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>
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> Who are these paramedics and police?
I know what you mean. When I 1st posted this, NOBODY seemed
to know about it. And just 1/2 hour ago another segment
on the NBC Nightly News .... apparently some medic or doctor
from Stamford, CT is pushing this concept around the USA.
KM
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| coord 2005-07-28, 10:54 pm |
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<poboxdc@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:42E96FFD.264544DD@ix.netcom.com...
> Carey Gregory wrote:
>
> I know what you mean. When I 1st posted this, NOBODY seemed
> to know about it. And just 1/2 hour ago another segment
> on the NBC Nightly News .... apparently some medic or doctor
> from Stamford, CT is pushing this concept around the USA.
>
> KM
Virginia State Police notified all their troopers about the program several days ago...
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| jaj001@iglou.com 2005-07-30, 8:54 am |
| Not only is it confusing, but if you do an ICE and IN CASE OF
EMERGENCY search on Google, you get mostly URBAN LEGEND material. It
looks like someone is trying to give life to an urban legend.
What would happen if the letters FBI or DOD could be used instead of
ICE. FBI= Fallen Body Identifier - Someone to come to the morgue and
ID a "fallen" person's body??????????? DOD = Dead One's Dad???? etc.
On a positive note, a person could list not only the phone number but
the address in a second field on the phone.
jaj
On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 18:38:32 -0400, "coord" <splunge@comcast.net>
wrote:
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><jaj001@iglou.com> wrote in message
news:2nkie116bfjin6b3ambh2ajk0463lbl32j@4ax.com...
authorities[vbcol=seagreen]
>
>Pardon....ICE is a bad idea for millions of people because a few may
work for Customs?????????
>
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| HorneTD 2005-07-31, 6:00 pm |
| poboxdc@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> T-Jay wrote:
>
>
>
> There was a segment on NBC-4 news (Wash, DC) today about this
> issue. They said the idea has been passed around the internet
> and that paramedics and police would like people to start
> making an ICE list in their cell phones. Only problem is (was)
> ..... most EMS workers don't know about it!
>
> (KM)
I have always treated the identification of unresponsive patients as a
police issue or left it to the Emergency Department of the hospital. I
cant' imagine rifling through the patients purse or pockets looking for
their cell phone. If there is no medical bracelet or necklace that's as
far as I go. Do other EMTs in other systems actually check purses,
wallets, cell phones, and other personal affects to identify patients?
If I did have the I C E information what would I do with it. The only
case I can imagine that being useful is in the care of children but
children who are not teenagers don't often carry cell phones. Further I
have seldom encountered children without finding an adult who knows how
to contact their parents fairly close to hand.
That is not to say I haven't experienced some wild exceptions like the
third alarm fire were my company removed thirteen children of less than
school age from a single stairway of a garden apartment. In those
fourteen units we found thirteen children, ten of whom were less than
five years of age, without any caregivers present. I can't see how ICE
information would have helped because obviously those "parents" didn't
care.
--
Tom Horne
Well we aren't no thin blue heroes and yet we aren't no blackguards to.
We're just working men and woman most remarkable like you.
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| Jerome Senturia 2005-07-31, 6:00 pm |
|
HorneTD wrote:
> poboxdc@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>
>
>
> I have always treated the identification of unresponsive patients as a
> police issue or left it to the Emergency Department of the hospital. I
> cant' imagine rifling through the patients purse or pockets looking for
> their cell phone. If there is no medical bracelet or necklace that's as
> far as I go. Do other EMTs in other systems actually check purses,
> wallets, cell phones, and other personal affects to identify patients?
> If I did have the I C E information what would I do with it. The only
> case I can imagine that being useful is in the care of children but
> children who are not teenagers don't often carry cell phones. Further I
> have seldom encountered children without finding an adult who knows how
> to contact their parents fairly close to hand.
>
> That is not to say I haven't experienced some wild exceptions like the
> third alarm fire were my company removed thirteen children of less than
> school age from a single stairway of a garden apartment. In those
> fourteen units we found thirteen children, ten of whom were less than
> five years of age, without any caregivers present. I can't see how ICE
> information would have helped because obviously those "parents" didn't
> care.
Tom,
Around here (VT), it is Law Enforcement or the ED that checks for
identity if the patient cannot give that information. And I really
don't see them checking a cell phone, although I did mention earlier
that this "ICE" thing is taking on a life of its own.
Jerry
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| Steve & Susan 2005-07-31, 6:00 pm |
| It's one of those spontaneous ideas that just snowballed, supposedly
as a result of the transit bombings in Great Britain. I never heard of
it either before it hit the media, but know that there were numerous
recovered wireless devices at the WTC that may have assisted in
identification.
I would ***NEVER*** have gone poking into a patient's pockets or gone
messing with their cellphone! That's what PD was for! Too many
allegations of EMS people making off with jewelry, etc. Patient care
really doesn't matter if the patient has a name or not and as an EMT
or paramedic I wasn't going to be making any notifications.
Then there's the obvious - anyone who is frigging around with the
patient's cell phone is not treating the patient!
I would have rather preferred to call this what it is - a means to
identify an unconscious or recovered victim. More a law enforcement or
hospital function than an EMS one. Guess whoever dreamed this up
thought saying "paramedics" would get more cooperation than saying
"cops."
If people wanted to help their treatment along, wearing one of those
"Medic Alert" pendants and having a current history and list of meds
goes a whole lot further.
Steve
On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:15:30 -0400, pobox-dc@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>Someone sent this to me. Has anyone heard about this?
>-----------------------------------------------------
>
>I checked this with snopes.com. If anyone wants to check the
>good and bad points of this info, you can check it out at:
>http://www.snopes.com/crime/prevent/icephone.asp
>
>
>Paramedics will turn to a victim's cell phone for clues to
>that person's identity. You can make their job much easier with a
>simple idea that they are trying to get everyone to adopt: ICE.
>
>ICE stands for In Case of Emergency. If you add an entry in
>the contacts list in your cell phone under ICE, with the name
>and phone no. of the person that the emergency services should
>call on your behalf, you can save them a lot of time and have
>your loved ones contacted quickly. It only takes a few moments
>of your time to do.
>
>Paramedics know what ICE means and they look for it immediately.
>ICE your cell phone NOW!
>
>Please pass this one along.
>----------------------------
>
>(ken)
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