| Juhana Harju 2005-07-20, 2:08 pm |
| Jim Chinnis wrote:
:: "Juhana Harju" <shantigiri@despammed.com> wrote in part:
::
::: Jim Chinnis wrote:
::::: "GaryG" <sorrynoemail@NOSPAMX.com> wrote in part:
:::::: "PeterB" <pkm@mytrashmail.com> wrote in message
:::::: news:1121434910.905366.32290@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
::::::: GaryG wrote:
:::::::: "Dr. Jai Maharaj" <usenet@mantra.com> wrote in message
:::::::: news:qoaPe2380oVVso@PyiUc...
::::::::: In article <e5DBe.171202$sy6.62304@lakeread04>,
::::::::: " dwacon" <ronald.mcdonald@supersize.me> posted:
:::::::::: Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
::::::::::
::::::::::: GARLIC - BETTER THAN STATIN DRUGS FOR PREVENTING HEART
::::::::::: ATTACKS
:::::::::
:::::::::: So what if you take both?
:::::::::
::::::::: Consult, in person, a duly trained and licensed health
::::::::: professional in your jurisdiction. It will be better if
::::::::: he or she is also trained in the use of herbs and wholistic
::::::::: health systems such as Ayurved -- an Ayurvedic physician
::::::::: with an MD is my recommendation.
:::::::::
::::::::: Jai Maharaj
::::::::: http://www.mantra.com/jai
::::::::: Om Shanti
::::::::
:::::::: I didn't see the original post. Do you have a link to a valid
:::::::: study showing the beneficial effects of garlic?
::::::::
:::::::: It was promoted for cholesterol lowering a few years ago, but
:::::::: subsequent studies showed it had no effect.
::::::::
:::::::: GG
:::::::
::::::: Since when is cholesterol a decent marker for heart disease?
::::::: Half of all heart attack incidents occur in people without
::::::: elevated cholesterol. Garlic is a natural diuretic, which is
::::::: at least one of its beneficial effects in human health.
:::::::
::::::: PeterB
:::::::
::::::
:::::: There are many natural diuretics (I'm drinking a cup of coffee
:::::: right now...an excellent diuretic). But, the claim is that
:::::: garlic can "prevent heart attacks". Can you provide us with
:::::: links to studies that back up this claim?
::::::
:::::: GG
:::::
::::: Of course not. Certainly no study that compared garlic consumption
::::: levels with heart attack rates, even in a
::::: retrospective/observational design.
::::: --
::::: Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA
:::
::: Its ability to reduce cardiovascular risk factors has been
::: estimated in studies based on its effects on cardiovascular risk
::: factors. This is just one example:
:::
::: Franco OH et al, The Polymeal: a more natural, safer, and probably
::: tastier (than the Polypill) strategy to reduce cardiovascular
::: disease by more than 75%. BMJ 2004;329:1447-1450.
:::
::: "Daily consumption of garlic reduced total cholesterol
::: concentrations by
::: 0.44 mmol/l (17.1 mg/dl), corresponding to 66% of the reduction
::: (0.66 mmol/l) that was found to be associated with a 38% reduction
::: in cardiovascular disease at age 50.Therefore, we considered 66% of
::: the effect previously reported and assumed a reduction of 25%
::: (21.7% to 27.7%) in cardiovascular disease events for garlic. Most
::: of the randomised controlled trials included in the meta-analysis
::: used 600-900 mg/day of dried garlic powder preparations, equivalent
::: to 1.8-2.7 g/day of fresh garlic. We selected 2.7 g/day of fresh
::: garlic for the Polymeal. Consuming 68 g/day of almonds produced
::: half the reduction in total cholesterol (10 mg/dl) observed with
::: garlic, so we assumed a reduction in cardiovascular disease half
::: the one assigned to garlic."
::
:: The Franco et al. paper was an April 1st spoof.
It was published in December. Not very likely.
:: And it's weak evidence when one says that risk factors are
:: improved rather than that the relative odds of events improved.
:: When one claims that something improves heart disease mortality as
:: much as a statin does, the evidence needs to be comparable.
:: Statins don't just reduce cholesterol.
Nor does garlic just reduce cholesterol. It works also by other mechanisms,
e.g. reducing clotting etc. I have noticed that you have a tendency to
oppose everything.
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Juhana
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