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Nostradamus & Chaurasi
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| lackpurity 2006-09-11, 2:26 am |
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La fin le loup, le lyon, beuf, & l'asne,
Timide dama seront auec mastins:
Plus ne cherra =E0 eux la douce manne,
Plus vigilance & custode aux mastins.
The end the wolf, the lion, beef & XXX,
Shy lady will be with mastiffs:
No more will share between themselves the sweet manna,
More vigilante & custodian to the mastiff.
MM:
Nostradamus was a Great Master. His meditation was par excellence. He
had access to the Supreme Being, the highest level of consciousness.
My translation is:
The end the wolf, the lion, oxen, and XXX,
Shy lady will be with Master:
No more will share between themselves the sweet manna,
More vigilance & custodial the Master.
It means, if we don't follow the Master, the Sat Guru, then we will
remain in chaurasi, and eventually we could be wolves, lions, oxen, and
asses. The humble souls, i.e. disciples will be with the Master.
Mastiff is generally, a watchdog. The Master is watching over his
disciples, as a Good Shepherd. If we don't follow the Master, we will
go down into chaurasi, and we won't enjoy the sweet manna from heaven.
What is the sweet manna? There are many names of it. Shabd, Nam, Holy
Spirit, Holy Ghost, Tao, Kalma, Bani, etc., etc.. It is the sound and
light within us. Greeks called it Logos.
The Master will be more vigilant and custodial. He will prevent his
disciples from falling into chaurasi. So, basically, Nostradamus is
giving us the Sant Mat teachings, in a cryptic way, in a nutshell.
Christ said, "He who has ears to hear, let him hear, there will be
wailing and gnashing of teeth." This is the same message, the same
warning, which Nostradamus is giving us. All Masters have warned us of
it. Some had to do it, cryptically, however, especially those in the
West.
Another name for Sant Mat is Surat Shabd Yoga, or the Yoga which unites
the Soul to Shabd.
Michael Martin
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/micha...nwesternsatguru
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| On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:57:15 -0700, lackpurity <lackpurity@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> 10.99 X. XCIX.
>
> La fin le loup, le lyon, beuf, & l'asne,
> Timide dama seront auec mastins:
> Plus ne cherra à eux la douce manne,
> Plus vigilance & custode aux mastins.
>
> The end the wolf, the lion, beef & XXX,
> Shy lady will be with mastiffs:
> No more will share between themselves the sweet manna,
> More vigilante & custodian to the mastiff.
>
> MM:
> Nostradamus was a Great Master. His meditation was par excellence. He
> had access to the Supreme Being, the highest level of consciousness.
>
> My translation is:
>
> The end the wolf, the lion, oxen, and XXX,
> Shy lady will be with Master:
> No more will share between themselves the sweet manna,
> More vigilance & custodial the Master.
>
Brother you are full of it, and are a good example of why I don't bother
to read this group much these days. "Mastins" does not, and never did,
mean "Master," either in French or Occitan. Talk about the blind leading
the blind. . .
By the way, Nostradamus was not a great master; he was a huffer of mercury
vapor, which had pretty well deranged him by the time he died, and no
doubt shortened his life. That is not enlightenment. For all I know,
you've been huffing something too. Western guru, my XXX.
--Don
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| lackpurity 2006-09-12, 2:26 am |
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Don wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:57:15 -0700, lackpurity <lackpurity@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Brother you are full of it, and are a good example of why I don't bother
> to read this group much these days.
MM:
You're welcome to your opinion. I personally think that you have
missed the cryptic meaning of this quatrain. Mastiff means a guard
dog, or watchdog. The Master watches over his flock of sheep, as I
patiently explained, like a Good Shepherd. If you can't understand
that, then it's your problem.
>"Mastins" does not, and never did,
> mean "Master," either in French or Occitan. Talk about the blind leading
> the blind. .
MM:
You have missed his meaning. Of course, this is what Nostradamus
wanted. He knew someday that a Mystic Adept would come along and
interpret the quatrain correctly.
> By the way, Nostradamus was not a great master; he was a huffer of mercury
> vapor, which had pretty well deranged him by the time he died, and no
> doubt shortened his life. That is not enlightenment. For all I know,
> you've been huffing something too. Western guru, my XXX.
>
> --Don
MM:
Ignorant fools aren't worthy of Nostradamus, nor of any Sat Guru. They
will be food for Satan.
http://nostradamusquatrains.com/Century1/Quatrain2.htm
La verge en main mise au milieu des BRANCHES,
De l'onde il moulle & le limbe & le pied:
Vn peur & voix fremissent par les manches:
Splendeur diuine. Le diuin pres s'assied.
The wand in hand is placed in the middle of the tripod's legs,
With water he sprinkles both the hem of his garment & his foot:
A fearful voice & he trembles in his robes:
Divine splendor. The God sits nearby.
MM:
We can use our own sagacity on this, of course. He was in contact with
God. Only a Godman could have written those quatrains. He was
omniscient, obviously, and he must have been omnipresent and
omnipotent, also. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, a German Master spoke
highly of him.
Since he was always in touch with God, I find your charges to be
ridiculous and absurd. He left this world, because it was God's will.
Saints always leave at the appropriate time, even if they are crucified
(Christ, Peter), or poisoned (Socrates), or beheaded (Paul). When they
finish their work, they are ready to leave this world, which is like a
pigpen filled with pigs, to them.
Michael Martin
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/radhasoamisatsangworld
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| On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:44:38 -0700, lackpurity <lackpurity@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> MM:
> You're welcome to your opinion. I personally think that you have
> missed the cryptic meaning of this quatrain. Mastiff means a guard
> dog, or watchdog. The Master watches over his flock of sheep, as I
> patiently explained, like a Good Shepherd. If you can't understand
> that, then it's your problem.
>
Yes, mastiffs are generally used as guard dogs or watchdogs; they are not
sheep dogs.
>
> MM:
> You have missed his meaning. Of course, this is what Nostradamus
> wanted. He knew someday that a Mystic Adept would come along and
> interpret the quatrain correctly.
>
>
> MM:
> Ignorant fools aren't worthy of Nostradamus, nor of any Sat Guru. They
> will be food for Satan.
>
Don't look now, but you're in the wrong newsgroup. "Satan" is a
judeochristian concept, not a yogic one.
> http://nostradamusquatrains.com/Century1/Quatrain2.htm
>
> La verge en main mise au milieu des BRANCHES,
> De l'onde il moulle & le limbe & le pied:
> Vn peur & voix fremissent par les manches:
> Splendeur diuine. Le diuin pres s'assied.
>
> The wand in hand is placed in the middle of the tripod's legs,
> With water he sprinkles both the hem of his garment & his foot:
> A fearful voice & he trembles in his robes:
> Divine splendor. The God sits nearby.
>
The tripod and the wand are things that Nostradamus used, so he was
probably referring to himself. The rest is best ascribed to the mercury
vapor. He was right about God (in the form of his own death) being near. I
could have told him that.
There are many ways to go through the slit in time that separates us from
past and future. Doing so does not make one particularly wise or even
knowledgeable. Most of those who have succeeded in the endeavor have led
lives that were otherwise utterly unspectacular, and they had nothing of
real spiritual value to pass on to a chela.
You are welcome to your asinine delusions about Nostradamus, but you
should not burden others with them.
--Don
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| lackpurity 2006-09-12, 9:35 pm |
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Don wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 22:44:38 -0700, lackpurity <lackpurity@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
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> Yes, mastiffs are generally used as guard dogs or watchdogs; they are not
> sheep dogs.
>
>
> Don't look now, but you're in the wrong newsgroup. "Satan" is a
> judeochristian concept, not a yogic one.
MM:
I've been practicing Surat Shabd Yoga for 42 years, and Satan is often
mentioned in it. Every mystic school has mentioned him, if it is a
school of any merit. I don't know what school you're following.
Muslims have called him Iblis. Buddhists have called him Mara. Hindus
have called him Kal. Sikhs, Jains, and others have called him by
various names.
>
> The tripod and the wand are things that Nostradamus used, so he was
> probably referring to himself. The rest is best ascribed to the mercury
> vapor. He was right about God (in the form of his own death) being near. I
> could have told him that.
MM:
I just posted a new thread on this quatrain. It will explain my
interpretation of it. You ought to read it.
>
> There are many ways to go through the slit in time that separates us from
> past and future. Doing so does not make one particularly wise or even
> knowledgeable. Most of those who have succeeded in the endeavor have led
> lives that were otherwise utterly unspectacular, and they had nothing of
> real spiritual value to pass on to a chela.
MM:
There is an expansion of consciousness as we ascend. We might continue
to sin, until we have controlled the mind, however. We need to go
beyong Satan, as he is ONE with Universal Mind.
> You are welcome to your asinine delusions about Nostradamus, but you
> should not burden others with them.
>
> --Don
MM:
Burdens? I might be the only man in history to correctly interpret
Nostradamus. I'm offering world exclusives for nothing, but I knew
some seeds would fall on barren ground. Okay, Bud, you're welcome to
your opinion. Speak for yourself, and not the whole group. I don't
recognize you as President or Moderator of this group. Got that one?
Why is it that I have to be burdened with your ridiculous allegations,
but you order me not to burden you with mine? The hypocrisy is getting
rather much, I'd say.
Michael Martin
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/micha...nwesternsatguru
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| On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:58:38 -0700, lackpurity <lackpurity@yahoo.com>
wrote:
[trim]
> MM:
> I've been practicing Surat Shabd Yoga for 42 years, and Satan is often
> mentioned in it. Every mystic school has mentioned him, if it is a
> school of any merit. I don't know what school you're following.
> Muslims have called him Iblis. Buddhists have called him Mara. Hindus
> have called him Kal. Sikhs, Jains, and others have called him by
> various names.
>
Islam is really not separate from the big monotheisms, since they share
common roots, so their mention of such a being proves nothing. I don't
know any Buddhists who equate Mara (which means death) with "Satan." Kal,
or kala, in the Indic languages means both "black" and "time." When
feminized as Kali, this symbology represents something very far from
"Satan:" the sacred womb of the cosmos, the "void" that is full of all
potential and from which all things have come. I'm surprised that someone
who claims to be a "western guru" does not know this.
>
> MM:
> I just posted a new thread on this quatrain. It will explain my
> interpretation of it. You ought to read it.
>
> MM:
> There is an expansion of consciousness as we ascend. We might continue
> to sin, until we have controlled the mind, however. We need to go
> beyong Satan, as he is ONE with Universal Mind.
>
"Satan" is a concept that goes back to the dualistic beliefs of the
Zoroastrians; it has no part in Hinduism or in any legitimate form of
yoga. When you fall into such language as "sin" and "satan," you are
resorting to the judeo/christian/islamic tradition to back up your
statements.
>
> MM:
> Burdens? I might be the only man in history to correctly interpret
> Nostradamus. I'm offering world exclusives for nothing, but I knew
> some seeds would fall on barren ground. Okay, Bud, you're welcome to
> your opinion.
Thank you.
Speak for yourself, and not the whole group.
That's all I'm doing.
I don't
> recognize you as President or Moderator of this group.
I never claimed to be such, nor do I think of myself as such.
Got that one?
>
> Why is it that I have to be burdened with your ridiculous allegations,
> but you order me not to burden you with mine?
You don't have to read what I say, and I have not ordered you to do
anything. Your opinions are not a burden to me, since I don't share your
beliefs--they are merely ridiculous, but could become a burden to others
who may not see through them.
The hypocrisy is getting
> rather much, I'd say.
>
Well, you should be sufficiently used to it, living it as you do, to be
more or less immune.
--Don
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| lackpurity 2006-09-13, 2:25 am |
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Don wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:58:38 -0700, lackpurity <lackpurity@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> [trim]
> Islam is really not separate from the big monotheisms, since they share
> common roots, so their mention of such a being proves nothing.
MM:
I'm not a follower of any of those major religions, either. In their
beginnings, however, the teachings came from God-Realized men, or
women. These teachings always mention the Negative Power, which has
various names, in many languages. I'm not trying to prove anything to
you. The Negative Power exists, whether you have seen proof, or not.
The real proof is when we see him in the higher planes. It would be
hard to prove his existence verbally, just as it would be difficult to
prove that God exists, or that heavens exist.
> I don't
> know any Buddhists who equate Mara (which means death) with "Satan."
MM:
Read their scriptures, especially the Dhammapada.
> Kal,
> or kala, in the Indic languages means both "black" and "time." When
> feminized as Kali, this symbology represents something very far from
> "Satan:" the sacred womb of the cosmos, the "void" that is full of all
> potential and from which all things have come. I'm surprised that someone
> who claims to be a "western guru" does not know this.
MM:
I'd advise you to expand your search. Go to alt.meditation.shabda and
search for Kal. There should be many entries on it. Yes, Kal means
time, but Kal is the same as Brahm, who is the ruler of Brahmanda.
Brahmanda includes the physical plane (in which we live), the astral
plane, and the causal plane.
> "Satan" is a concept that goes back to the dualistic beliefs of the
> Zoroastrians; it has no part in Hinduism or in any legitimate form of
> yoga.
MM:
Look, you are absolutely wrong on this. Kal is a major obstacle in
Surat Shabd Yoga. Satan is just another name for Kal, Brahm, or
Universal Mind. I'm just going to ignore your whining on this, if it
continues.
Satan has been around for ages, too. You seem ignorant on this point.
He predates Zoroaster by ages. He was the Negative Power which tempted
Cain to kill Abel, for example.
>When you fall into such language as "sin" and "satan," you are
> resorting to the judeo/christian/islamic tradition to back up your
> statements.
MM:
I'm not looking for any crutches. There might be some folks from
judeo/christian/islamic traditions reading this NG. My country is
predominately Christian, too, so I think I'm well-justified to use the
term. I won't stop it, despite your whining. LOL I don't know why
you seem to want to ignore all the major world religions, but I guess
that is your personal problem, not mine.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Speak for yourself, and not the whole group.
>
> That's all I'm doing.
MM:
Your arrogant attitude has indicated otherwise, IMO.
> I don't
>
> I never claimed to be such, nor do I think of myself as such.
>
> Got that one?
>
> You don't have to read what I say, and I have not ordered you to do
> anything. Your opinions are not a burden to me, since I don't share your
> beliefs--they are merely ridiculous, but could become a burden to others
> who may not see through them.
MM:
"Others," don't have to read my messages. Let them make their own
decisions.
> The hypocrisy is getting
[vbcol=seagreen]
> Well, you should be sufficiently used to it, living it as you do, to be
> more or less immune.
>
> --Don
MM:
I'd suggest you consider learning about Surat Shabd Yoga. It is the
highest of all Yogas. It can be learned and followed, if we have a Sat
Guru, True Master.
Michael Martin
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/radhasoamisatsangworld
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| Richard Corfield 2006-09-13, 8:25 am |
| On 2006-09-13, lackpurity <lackpurity@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Satan has been around for ages, too. You seem ignorant on this point.
> He predates Zoroaster by ages. He was the Negative Power which tempted
> Cain to kill Abel, for example.
>
Though some in church seem to portray Satan as an actively intelligent
enemy intent on doing harm (or at least reducing the power of the church)
- a really nasty god, or counter-god, and something to hate. I was glad
when I visited one church that I didn't believe in this Satan character
and could ignore it, though I am reminded of Georg Forstein's article on
"The Yoga of Hate" and how through intense hatred you can still come
to union.
Is this representation of Satan or equivalent universal, or do some other
traditions tend to personify the divine a lot less? Yin and Yang come to
mind, also the 3 Gunas, and the thought from the Gita and other sources
as I read them that the divine has all these properties and it is humans
that add the personification and the separation into multiple characters.
I took the Gita and for the that matter the Bible as "A Story I Can
Learn From" as opposed to literal truth, but that's just me.
- Richard
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_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ Richard Corfield <Richard.Corfield@gmail.com>
_/ _/ _/ _/
_/_/ _/ _/ Time is a one way street, .
_/ _/ _/_/ _/_/_/ except in the Twighlight Zone 3^
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| On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 23:29:18 -0700, lackpurity <lackpurity@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>
>
> MM:
> I'd suggest you consider learning about Surat Shabd Yoga. It is the
> highest of all Yogas. It can be learned and followed, if we have a Sat
> Guru, True Master.
>
> Michael Martin
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/radhasoamisatsangworld
>
There have been many attempts by fundamentalist Xtians, neo-Sikhs,
Muslims, and Radhasoamis to dominate this newsgroup, but it is not about
any of those things--it's about yoga. I generally ignore agenda-driven
frauds such as yourself, but sometimes I have a little fun by exposing
them for what they are.
By the way, while there may be things of value in the teachings of Surat
Shabd Yoga, I do not consider it a legitimate school of yoga, or in any
way representative. And yes, this opinion IS based on reading the books of
your cult.
I don't plan to devote more time to you and your silly theories about
Nostradamus.
--Don
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| lackpurity 2006-09-13, 4:24 pm |
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Richard Corfield wrote:
> On 2006-09-13, lackpurity <lackpurity@yahoo.com> wrote:
[vbcol=seagreen]
> Though some in church seem to portray Satan as an actively intelligent
> enemy intent on doing harm (or at least reducing the power of the church)
> - a really nasty god, or counter-god, and something to hate. I was glad
> when I visited one church that I didn't believe in this Satan character
> and could ignore it, though I am reminded of Georg Forstein's article on
> "The Yoga of Hate" and how through intense hatred you can still come
> to union.
MM:
The Bible mentions that he is a "Prince," and "Ruler of
Principalities." I've mentioned that in Sant Mat he rules the Causal
Plane, Astral Plane, and this Physical Plane. He is like the Attorney
General. His duty is to administer justice to the souls in his realms.
This does not mean only Hell. We might deserve Paradise, and he is
beholden to place us there, if we deserve it. He might place us in an
in-between area, that is to say, not as good as heaven, but not as bad
as hell.
God has given him permission to TEMPT us. He is not allowed to force
us to sin. So, if we fall to his temptations, it is our own fault, and
hating him for that would be to no avail. It is difficult for us to
justify the existence of Satan with our limited intellects. Satan and
karma are beyond our comprehension, so this is where the difficulty
arises. Satan serves a purpose. Without him, there would be chaos,
and no soul would sin. If there were no sin, all souls would go back
to the Supreme Being, the perfect region, and this lower creation would
cease to exist. So, he is serving a purpose. In order to continue
this creation, there has to be a positive pole and a negative pole.
Anther way to look at Satan, is to consider him a filter. He filters
out all the unworthy souls, and keeps them on these lower levels. The
worthy souls go beyond Satan in the company of the Master. Christ
stood as a ransom for many. In other words, Master strikes a deal with
Satan, to free the marked souls. Without such a Master, no deal would
be made, and we would remain in Satan's prison. You can think of
Chaurasi as a giant prisonhouse, 8.4 million species of life, into
which souls can be place, but it has to be according to the karmas.
> Is this representation of Satan or equivalent universal, or do some other
> traditions tend to personify the divine a lot less?
MM:
I can't speak for every school. I'd think there would quite a lot of
variation. Some people even worship snakes, as you might remember.
> Yin and Yang come to
> mind, also the 3 Gunas, and the thought from the Gita and other sources
> as I read them that the divine has all these properties and it is humans
> that add the personification and the separation into multiple characters.
MM:
Humans have their own perceptions. Maharaj Sawan Singh Ji wrote, in
this regard, that if a Buffalo could talk, and you asked him who the
Master is, he would say, "He's a Great Buffalo." So, our perceptions
are due to our own sanskaras (impressions) from this life and past
lives.
Satan is Universal Mind. He is far beyond our limited concepts. One
would have to go to the Causal Plane, to know what Satan is. Satan has
knowledge, which just boggles the mind. He knows, for example, all the
past lives of all the souls. Of course, the number of souls is
mind-boggling. Souls exist not only as humans, but as plants, water
creatures, insects, amphibians, snakes, birds, and animals.
> I took the Gita and for the that matter the Bible as "A Story I Can
> Learn From" as opposed to literal truth, but that's just me.
>
> - Richard
MM:
Yes, I agree that you could learn from both. Feel free to email me, if
I can be of any help.
Michael Martin
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/lightfromsoundoasis
>
> --
> _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ Richard Corfield <Richard.Corfield@gmail.com>
> _/ _/ _/ _/
> _/_/ _/ _/ Time is a one way street, .
> _/ _/ _/_/ _/_/_/ except in the Twighlight Zone 3^
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| lackpurity 2006-09-13, 4:24 pm |
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Don wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 23:29:18 -0700, lackpurity <lackpurity@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> There have been many attempts by fundamentalist Xtians, neo-Sikhs,
> Muslims, and Radhasoamis to dominate this newsgroup, but it is not about
> any of those things--it's about yoga.
MM:
Your argument doesn't hold any water. alt.yoga is for all forms of
yoga. Surat Shabd Yoga is a form of yoga. If you can't comprehend
that, then it's your personal problem, not mine.
> I generally ignore agenda-driven
> frauds such as yourself, but sometimes I have a little fun by exposing
> them for what they are.
MM:
Actually, hypocrite, it seems that you're not only riding on my
coattails, but that you clearly have an agenda of your own. I'm ripped
your agenda to shreds. Maybe you should be brave enough to face that
fact, instead of repeating these charges, which have no basis in fact?
You appear ignorant regarding Surat Shabd Yoga, although you claim you
read some books on it. Your messages tend to belie that fact.
You appear to be ignorant, IMO, on Satan.
You appear to be ignorant on Nostradamus, IMO.
You don't have much going for you, pal. I'd suggest you give up this
endeavor. In this debate, you appear to be clear loser, IMO.
My advice to you, is to try and learn something from those who are
clearly superior to you.
> By the way, while there may be things of value in the teachings of Surat
> Shabd Yoga, I do not consider it a legitimate school of yoga, or in any
> way representative. And yes, this opinion IS based on reading the books of
> your cult.
MM:
You could worship snakes, if you like. We have freedom of religion.
> I don't plan to devote more time to you and your silly theories about
> Nostradamus.
>
> --Don
MM:
I won't miss you.
Michael Martin
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