| lackpurity 2006-09-07, 4:31 pm |
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Stu wrote:
> On 2006-09-06 09:00:08 -0700, "lackpurity" <lackpurity@yahoo.com> said:
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> We are one. If you don't know that to be the case you are deluded.
MM:
Are you a Saint, Stu? Only Saints are really ONE with God. The rest
of us are shipwrecked out here on the physical plane, with no
recollection how to return home. This is not only my teaching. It has
been corroborated by so many Masters, Eastern and Western. Emily
Dickinson, Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, Shakespeare, Soami Ji Maharaj,
Kabir Sahib, Guru Nanak, Jesus Christ, St. Paul, St. Peter, etc., just
to name a few.
> You don't *need* to be united with god.
MM:
If we don't like the separation, if we don't like being shipwrecked far
from our True Home, then we need to be united with God (Our True Home).
You're clearly wrong on that, IMO.
> You already are united with
> god.
MM:
If a person is shipwrecked on an island, you could say that he is still
on earth, but the problems of the separation from the True Home, would
still be suffered. Your argument makes no sense, unless you are a
Saint.
> I am not big on those medieval terms like *god* and *unite* but
> Mr. Martin seems to think archaically -- I would term it as being in
> the flow of a natural cosmic intelligence.
MM:
Oh, God and unite are archaic to you? Now, you want to dodge the main
issue, to quibble with words. Spin, skate, dodge, but many of us feel
the suffering, due to the separation from God. I've already pointed
out to Lawson that Kabir Sahib, Santa Teresa, Tukaram, and so many
other Saints, have suffered from "Bireh," or "Intense Longing." Why
did they have it? They felt the separation, obviously.
> Less anthropomorphistic and
> dual. Lets pay particular attention to the tricks of our language.
MM:
I'd say not to lose the forest because of the trees. That appears to
be what Stu is doing.
What Stu fails to mention is that there are two powers, the higher
power and the lower power. The lower power is Satan. He works against
the pull of the higher power, which is the Creator. Maybe he likes
that word better than the word God? LOL
> Forget about fighting, straining and training. It is not about seeking
> control, kicking XXX or reading sacred texts.
MM:
If we follow Stu's advice, mind will not be conquered, and we will
remain dancint to the tunes of Satan.
> Let go of the delusions and allow your true nature to be.
MM:
People can't even let go of smoking or drinking, generally speaking.
How would they let go of sinning? It's a jungle out there, not a rose
garden as Stu and Lawson seem to think. Satan is constantly tempting
us, and we are constantly falling. It's only with the help and
inspiration of a Master, that we will go beyond Satan.
> Its simple. effortless. spontaneous.
MM:
Saints are as rare as hen's teeth, almost. Why? Because Stu is wrong.
We don't want to give up sinning, plain and simple. If we did, we
would all be Saints. How many Saints do you know, those who have
access to God?
> Anything else is spinning wheels of deceit.
> --
> ~Stu
MM:
Truth is truth, and we need to be brave. Without facing the truth, we
will never take the proper steps to God-Realization.
Michael Martin
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