| lackpurity 2006-09-05, 4:32 pm |
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Lawson English wrote:
> [adding a few newsgroups to the distribution since *I* like the way the
> conversation is going]
>
>
> lackpurity wrote:
>
>
> Ah, so the list of states of consciousness found in Patanjali's Yoga
> Sutras is wrong? Waking, dreaming and sleeping are all physical, but the
> fourth isn't?
MM:
No.
> Our experience in this world, leaving aside assumptions
> about heaven, hell, other dimensions, etc., is based on the physical
> condition of our brain and nervous system. Can't get around that.
MM:
Physical is physical. Spiritual is spiritual.
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> Sin is a mistake in action. You will always incur sin until you "find
> God."
MM:
We have to withdraw from sin, from the body, also, in order to find
God. If you are sinning, and simultaneously practicing your "easy
meditation," then the door will not be opened by the higher powers. We
need to invoke his grace, by fighting the good fight with the mind. He
might overlook some minor bad habits, if we can invoke his grace.
> And what about atheists? Are they required to seek God as YOU
> define God in order to become sin-free?
MM:
Yes.
> Seems to me that God wouldn't
> create Mankind with the ability to hold differing points of view and
> then require everyone to agree on some specific thing (even/especially
> the nature of His Existence!) in order to find Him.
MM:
Why not? He gives us the choice, whether to love him, or indirectly to
love Satan. It's up to us.
>
> It is in the habit of going to what seems like the most rewarding thing
> available to observe. For many, that is sin; for virtually everyone,
> that involves looking outward into the world of senses and
> physical/mental activity. It is the nature of the mind to wander towards
> happiness, no matter how brief or even self-destructive this happiness
> might prove to be in the long run. You don't find God by trying to
> change your God-given nature: you find God by looking within and
> becoming still.
MM:
Here is more of your utopia, or bed of roses. It is not like that, at
all. Christ said, "Some seeds fall on barren ground, some on rocky
ground, some on fertile ground." Therefore the difficulty in
meditation is different. It is not as EASY as you proclaim. Some are
barren ground, and they will not be able to concentrate the mind.
We need to change our habits. Absolutely. We must cease to be crows,
and become swans (hansas). Christ called it being born again. If we
continue with our bad, mind-scattering habits, then we won't be allow
to realize God. Your statement is absolutely wrong.
>
> The mind is never conquered.
MM:
Not true. Christ said, "I can take it up, or lay it down." That is
conquering the mind.
> In the appropriate conditions, it can just
> become peaceful and quiet, while remaining awake.
MM:
Here you go again, contradicting yourself. Either it is easy, or
difficult. Make up your mind. You can't have it both ways. Some are
barren ground, as I just explained.
> This is restful
> alertness, aka samadhi. It is the state where the nervous system repairs
> stress and normalizes/matures into the state we call "enlightenment"--or
> at least, the beginning stage appropriate for that term.
>
> As I believe I pointed out, Shankara gives the analogy of dyeing the
> cloth gold. It is the rest of (or in the direction of) samadhi,
> alternated with normal activity, that brings about enlightenment.
MM:
I think you have interjected the "normal activity," part of it. I
don't see it as coming from Shankara. Shankara means to purge out the
sins, which is what I maintain, also, and then we become dyed in the
Holy Spirit, Shabd, or Nam.
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> That happens naturally and without effort in the right conditions.
MM:
Hedging, again? Sure, some are fertile ground, maybe one in a million.
Others are barren ground. To whom are you referring? Your personal
experience might not be the same as for others. Let's don't jump to
these conclusions.
> And
> the right conditions are very trivial to set up.
MM:
Not true. That is why Christ said some seeds will fall on barren
ground. That is why some chose Barabbas over Christ.
> I've meditated while
> sitting next to F-111's, while wearing a gas mask, chemical warfare
> suit, with F-111s taking off so close that I had to wear earplugs to
> save my hearing. Wasn't the ideal spot, but it was better than not
> meditating and no effort was required or used to bring about some level
> of stillness.
MM:
But the condition of your mind is not the same as for everybody.
Posting on this NG goes to everybody. Let's try to be considerate of
those who will have a lot of difficulty with meditation.
MM:
You know little about what the Guru does. He saves us from Satan.
Without the Guru, we will go straight into the mouth of Satan, and he
will spit us out on the ground. I've already mentioned, that the Guru
must post bond for us, otherwise, there is no escape from Satan's
prison. You seem to belittle that act of mercy, perhaps not believing
in it? If you don't believe it, then you run contrary to the teachings
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> No, it's because meditation is not immediately obvious to most people.
> It is actually the easiest thing in the world.
MM:
Absolutely wrong. It can be very obvious to people, but their mind is
out of control, and hence, meditation will be very difficult.
> Unfortunately, due to the
> telephone effect of oral transmission, the ease and effortlessness of
> the "technique" gets lost in a very short while, sometimes even while
> the original teacher is still alive.
MM:
For most, it becomes lost when they sit and meditation, and realize
that their mind is scattered to the four corners of the earth, and it
will require a tremendous fight to bring it back to the third eye.
> Compare Benson's Relaxation
> Response, based on interviews with people who practice TM, with what I
> am talking about.
MM:
I'm sorry, I already told you that I'm not going to play the "science"
game. Science is ignorant of spiritual matters, and they don't even
fully understand many physical matters, so this is a meaningless
diversion, in my humble opinion. Please don't bring up "science,"
again, as I'm not seeing that as any corroboration of anything.
> This distortion happens with all traditions
> eventually. The TM organization was set up to delay this distortion as
> long as possible. All TM teachers were trained directly with Maharishi
> Mahesh Yogi, originally in person, and later via a combination of video
> and audio recordings combined with personal instruction. As long as the
> technology exists to play the video/audio, and there are people willing
> to conduct the teacher-training classes as he set down, instruction in
> this "technique" should remain pure to the original for the next few
> centuries.
MM:
Spiritual progress is based on "Bhakti," or love for the Master. It
was called Sat Guru Bhakti by Soami Ji Maharaj (1818-1878). I don't
know, if your teaching includes bhakti, or not. We won't go any
farther than our Master gone, either.
>
> So which "Master" is not?
MM:
I recommend Maharaj Gurinder Singh Ji, Pir Zia Inayat Khan, and me.
> Are you insisting that only Jesus can bring
> you to God? That's the common Christian interpretation of "Noone comes
> to the Father save by Me," but there are many other possible
> interpretations.
MM:
We need a living Guru, to awaken the potential Bhakti within us.
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> You're assuming that you are correct in what you believe to be the "main
> stumbling block."
MM:
I know I'm correct, but you're welcome to your opinion.
> I'm saying you're just plain wrong about that.
> Obviously, since I think you're wrong, I feel no need to "address this
> main stumbling block."
MM:
Then, it's your soul, not mine. LOL
> If you want to talk in terms of God's grace, then since the nature of
> the mind is to wander in the direction of greatest happiness, TM is a
> way of setting up the conditions for the mind to wander in the direction
> of silence, which is where God Is--THAT is the greatest happiness,
> although, by its nature, it's not something that we experience as
> happiness.
MM:
"Setting up conditions," doesn't mean that meditation will be easy.
Many seeds will fall on barren ground. Do you understand that. A
teacher has a classroom. It is set up to teach, and the students are
set up to learn. That doesn't mean all will be able to learn. Some
will fail. The Bible says, "Many are called, but few are chosen."
> Satan doesn't exist in the quiet, peaceful and nourishing
> silence of the mind.
MM:
Satan exists in the phsical, astral, and causal planes. You're wrong.
There are three minds, as I tried to explain previously. If you
silence one mind, then the higher mind will scatter out again. The
astral temptations will be there, and we possibly will fall to them.
They are even more tempting than the physical temptations. Satan
tempted Christ with these Astral and Causal temptations. You're only
discussing the tip of the iceberg.
Mind will become silent at the third stage, known as Daswan Dwar, or
Parbrahm. It is the source of the mind. Mind merges into the Holy
Spirit, but this is a very high stage.
> He exists in the world of violence and other
> extremes of activity.
MM:
Actually, he presides over Paradise, also, in the Causal Plane. You
have a very limited knowledge of Satan, it seems. The Bible mentions
that he rules PRINCIPALITIES, in this regard. Emily Dickinson wrote,
"An Emperor is bowing on my mat." This happened when she conquered
Satan.
> Enlightenment is where we can enjoy the world AND
> never lose our place in the Abode of God.
MM:
If we struggle with the mind, we can achieve certain levels. We need a
guide, however.
>
> Again, as below, that is merely another mental activity, no larger or
> smaller than any other, at least in the context of activity vs silence,
> waking vs turya/samadhi, non-enlightenment vs enlightenment.
MM:
No, you're wrong. Traveling to Mars is bigger than traveling to
Russia, for example. Silence comes after we have fought the mind, and
conquered it, not before.
>
> If you're using effort, obviously. Any effort applied to stilling the
> mind is actually increasing activity.
MM:
Of course, you forget the main point. Repeating the mantra withdraws
the consciousness to the third eye. Activity within the third eye is
different than activity outside of the third eye, in case you didn't
know. It makes the "camel," smaller, so it can pass through the eye of
the needle.
> The only way quiet comes in THAT
> situation is when the mind becomes exhausted and stops trying.
MM:
Yes, that's what we want to achieve. Do you have an issue with that?
What do you want to accomplish, anyway. You seem to be like a ship
without a rudder.
> Better to
> "stop trying" from the start.
MM:
If we are cowards to fight the mind, then it will never be trained, not
in a thousand years. You think that would be a better option?
Ridiculous. That's what your option is.
> However, for 99.9999% of the world, the
> words I just typed are still misleading--as misleading as saying one
> must work as hard as possible--which is why a teacher is required.
MM:
Working as hard as possible is not misleading, if we are concentrating
the mind at the third eye. Your erroneous statements are misleading,
not my teachings. A teacher is required to guide us, and to post bond
for us, with his own spiritual wealth. He is greater than Satan, we
are not, hence the necessity of having him.
>
> Exactly. The rich man is bound by his possessions. The camel owner is
> held back by the camel. You have to *let go* in order to "Enter the
> Kingdom." Just as the rich man is too worried about his wealth, the
> camel owner is too worried about his camel. You're too worried about
> effort and control.
MM:
Yes, I say to fight the mind, because otherwise, it won't just "let
go." You're painting a rosy picture again. Mind is not going to let
go, until we have conquered it. It won't be trained unless we fight
it.
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> And I was experiencing clear episodes of samadhi within the first few
> days of MY meditation practice, and occasional episodes of samadhi +
> sleep within a few months of my start. Other people can go months and
> years without any such experience, and suddenly become fully
> enlightened. A story for you:
MM:
What level of consciousness have you achieved. Your mention of
"samadhi," is quite ambiguous. We need to pin you down on that alleged
claim.
> On an early TM teacher training course, back in the 60's, a woman
> approached Maharishi Mahesh Yogi with the complaint:
>
> "Maharishi, I feel so guilty. Here I am trying to learn to impart
> meditation, and I'm learning to say all these things about
> enlightenment, and yet I have never had the experience of samadhi.
>
> Maharishi: "Doesn't matter. Go back to meditating."
MM:
Well, frankly, I think it does matter. It matters a lot. If we are
posing as a teacher, when we haven't achieved ourselves, what we are
teaching, then this is simply hypocrisy.
Discussing spirituality is okay, of course, but posing as something we
aren't, will tend to invoke God's displeasure, I'd say.
> This went on and on. Every time she complained, his response was:
>
> "Doesn't matter. Go back to meditating."
>
> Finally, one day, she came up to Maharishi and exclaimed:
>
> "Maharishi! Maharishi! I did it. I transcended! I transcended!"
>
> The response was:
>
> "Doesn't matter. Got back to meditating."
>
> That is the eventual outcome of meditation, but to term it a goal
> becomes another subtle excuse to add effort.
MM:
Do we want to conquer the mind, or not? You make no sense. If we do,
then we have a goal. You seem to be lost in semantics.
> As you say, "the mind seeks
> its True Home." Since it is already seeking That, any effort applied is
> merely a distraction, even the effort inherent in calling That a "goal."
MM:
Totally wrong. Mind seeks its home in all the wrong places. That is
why we need to train it, to go to the right place, the third eye.
Wrong places are lust, anger, greed, attachment, and pride, etc... If
you make no effort, then mind will just continue its wandering ways for
ages, perhaps.
> As the Cloud of Unknowing says, one must give up everything, even Love
> of God, in order to find God.
MM:
Mind become still after we put in the effort, unless we happen to be a
Born Saint, or one in a million.
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> A topsy-turvy way of interpreting Jesus' work. If good works were
> enough, everyone who does good works would know God. Good works are
> worth doing for the sake of themselves and/or for the sake of those you
> do them for, and/or for the sake of your love of God and desire to
> please Him, but they aren't enough to find God. Only by being still do
> you know God.
MM:
After we fight the mind.
> And trying to be still, having the goal of stillness, saying that the
> purpose of meditation is to be still/know God/etc, is another camel that
> you have to let go of.
>
> Meditate and chop wood. Eventually you will get there (or at least have
> a decent pile of wood).
MM:
After fighting with the mind, and if we have Guide, who has access to
God.
>
> Let's see: struggle and exhaust yourself and gain some rest to recover
> from the exhaustion OR rest from the start without exhaustion,
MM:
Mind won't rest, unless we happen to be Born Saints. Get it?
> then
> carry the enlivening results of that rest back into activity so that you
> can be more effective in your life, make fewer mistakes, act with more
> compassion, etc.
MM:
Cart before the horse? Let's conquer the mind, first, then enjoy the
benefits. It won't come so easily.
> The process of meditation is simple: turn within and gain rest.
MM:
Only one in a million can just turn within. All the rest will be left
"outside." Face reality. That's the first step.
> Rest
> enlivens repair mechanisms, which is a physical activity, albeit subtle.
> This physical activity is perceived in the mind as mental activity, so
> there is an inward stroke of gaining rest--the mind quiets, and an outer
> stroke of repairing stress/normalizing--the mind becomes more
> active--*as a result of* that inward stroke. The cycle continues
> throughout any given meditation period, except the final one before full
> enlightenment--there, you start the process and there's no outward
> stroke of stress-repair since there are no stresses left to repair.
>
> With YOUR method, according to this theory, you deliberately exhaust the
> mind in order to gain rest, which allows repair of the stress of
> exhaustion that you deliberately caused in order to bring about the
> desired level of rest.
MM:
There is no stress involved. That is your univited interjection.
Please be careful about putting words in my mouth. When mind becomes
still, then we gain peace.
> MY theory (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's actually) explains the results of TM
> as well as the results that you claim for your method. Not sure if you
> have a theory to explain TM.
MM:
Ha! I'm not sure if you anything about Sant Mat, either.
> Hallucination perhaps? That results from not trying to accomplish
> anything? Or what?
MM:
You lost me on this one. What's the context.
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> The *inner stroke* of meditation is always easy: the mind naturally goes
> towards greater charm and happiness, IF YOU LET IT.
MM:
It is our own mind, which scatters itself. There is no question of
LETTING IT. It goes to that which it loves. We have to switch our
alliances.
> The outer stroke may
> or may not be comfortable depending on the degree and kind of stress
> being repaired.
>
>
> Even Born Saints have had to fight with the
>
> As the mind becomes more quiet, more profound levels of rest result.
> This allows more profound levels of stress and damage to be repaired
> and/or greater levels of normalizing activity to occur. The greater the
> physical-repair activity, the greater the resulting mental activity.
>
> The final meditations before enlightenment entail the greatest
> repair/normalization, which the mind perceives as the most extreme
> levels of mental activity. Truly extreme mental activity is, by its very
> nature, unpleasant. This final repair-activity is the most extreme
> possible, and correspondingly, would be quite unpleasant. Recall that
> Satan lives in the extremes. Saying that Christ was tempted by Satan is
> another way of saying that his last non-enlightened moments were filled
> with unpleasant extremes. It is certainly tempting to back away from the
> pains of your final growth-spurt for fear that even worse may be yet to
> come if you continue the practice of meditating. Of course, in any given
> meditation session, it may be appropriate to deal with extreme
> unstressing on a case-by-case basis. Just gritting your teeth and
> "working through it" may become Yet Another Stress.
MM:
Either we fight with the mind, or we continue dancing to Satan's tunes
for millions of years. Take your choice. Would you prefer that
stress? LOL
> That's another situation where a teacher may become quite useful.
MM:
A True Master is the Holy Trinity. He is Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.
Your statement seems like a wild goose chase, or some sort of diversion
from the truth.
>
> If the net gain from exhausting the mind in order to gain peace is more
> stress than you had before you exhausted the mind, then you're running
> backwards.
MM:
Here is the sequence, once again. STRUGGLE, then PEACE. We have to
pay our dues.
> Like the red queen, you find you have to run as fast as
> possible in order to stay in place. In order to actually GET somewhere,
> you have to run even faster than that: if you run as fast as possible
> AWAY from what you want, eventually you will go the long way around and
> arrive there. THAT is your method.
MM:
I'm concentrating at the third eye, just as Christ, Buddha, Kabir
Sahib, Guru Nanak, Shakespeare, Marlowe, Bacon, Whitman, and Emerson
did, just to name a few. I'm not going AWAY from the goal, I'm going
TOWARDS the goal. You have a distinctly skewed perception of my
teachings.
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> In the "path" I'm talking about, you are certainly a beginner. In fact,
> you're running full-force in the wrong direction... IMHO, natch.
MM:
I've explained, several times, that you're wrong.
>
> Working hard, at least in the context of meditation, is self-defeating.
> You're holding on to that camel.
MM:
Untrue. Working hard on concentrating the mind, makes it smaller.
Then it can pass through the eye of the needle.
>
>
> I can't comment on St. Paul, but regardless, Jesus said that good works
> don't work. You have to give up your possessions to enter the Kingdom.
> That includes your camel, your wealth, and even your desire to know God
> since NOTHING of yours can exist where God lives.
MM:
Yes, and that is what I meant, by writing that we must invoke his
grace. Our works can't do it, alone. We need his grace, to post bond
for us. This is something, which you wrote that I was wrong, and that
is your copout, it would appear, to avoid discussing our huge karmic
account.
>
>
>
> But if you're walking backwards, facing the light makes things even
> worse. The light *attracts* --there's no need to worry about which way
> you're heading. You're going to naturally go in that direction if you
> let go and by NOT letting go, you are only fooling yourself with a
> THOUGHT of the "goal" anyway.
MM:
This is just another example of oversimplification. Mind is not going
to simply "let go," unless we happen to be Born Saints.
>
>
>
> Dunno. But it's produced plenty of more-healthy individuals, and of all
> the research on meditation techniques, it's the only one that produces
> everyday Joes who show signs of enlightenment, as defined by 24 hour a
> day samadhi, whether asleep, awake or dreaming--that is, people who
> report such things, and also show brain wave activity similar to the
> samadhi state, even while active, sleeping or dreaming.
MM:
I don't want to discuss the science part of it. I'll take your word
for it, regarding the Samadhi, which is ambiguous. Some people think
subastral realms are samadhi, so that is the problem with these claims.
>
>
> No, it's saying that looking within is easy and that some people are
> addicted to having difficulties so they reject this concept. In fact,
> I'm conversing online with such a person right now...
MM:
Looking within is not easy. It is contrary to deep-rooted sanskaras
(impressions) of millions of lives, perhaps. They won't change so
easily. If we fight with the mind, the we can become transformed from
crows into swans, but not before. The Bible says, "The light shines in
the darkness, but the darkness comprehendeth it not. How great is that
darkness." It clearly indicates that the darkness is an obstacle.
When we concentrate the mind, fight with it, then we see the light.
>
> Society is more stressful than at some periods in the past, but the
> solution to stress is still looking inward to gain rest, allowing the
> nervous system to make repairs, followed by more effective activity
> afterwards. "More effective," by the nature of "effective," tends to be
> less stressful, in any given situation, so with a little guidance from
> religion and ethics, the process becomes ever more efficient.
MM:
It's not so easy to look within, if mind is contrary.
>
>
> A teacher is often/usually required to point this point (about
> effortlessness) out.
MM:
He is needed to post bond, to save us from Satan, also.
>
>
> No, its like saying that someone in the swimming pool is hung up on
> being wet RATHER THAN climbing out of the pool.
MM:
Even Saints live in the swimming pool, until their life is over.
> All a meditation teacher
> does is point out the side of the pool with the stairs and that you're
> wallowing in the shallow end and need only put your feet down to walk
> out of the pool.
MM:
Ridiculous. The Master takes us out of the pool.
> There's more effort involved in keeping yourself afloat
> then in putting your feet down and walking out. In the case of
> meditation, there's NO effort involved in "walking out."
MM:
What a joke. So many holy people are found in the inner planes. They
haven't been able to go beyond Satan. They made some progress, even
achieved Paradise, but they haven't conquered Satan. You never mention
Satan, even though he clearly tempted Christ, according to the Bible.
Maybe you think he doesn't exist?
>
>
>
> There's that third eye thing again. Leaving aside such allegorical (in
> my mind) things, you seem to be hung up on sin. Worrying about sin
> doesn't bring you to God. Trying to purge yourself of sin doesn't bring
> you to God.
MM:
It takes us closer to him, and coupled with Master's grace, we can
realize God.
> Letting go of these things (not trying) lets your mind
> wander towards where God lives ,
MM:
Yeah, and I might win the lottery tomorrow. What about the odds? One
in a million, or less? Try facing reality for a change. Christ told
his own disciples, "I go to a place, where ye can not come." That
indicates the difficulty of meditation. Get it?
> thereby erasing some level of sin by
> the movement towards God (to use religious terminology). You then act
> in the world in a less sin-oriented way.
MM:
Sure, tell a cigarette smoker to just let go of the cigarettes. It
might happen, occasionally, but it presents a false picture of the
reality.
> To use secular terminology, your attention heads towards whatever gives
> it the most satisfaction at any given moment. By turning our attention
> inwards, away from external sensory stimulation, we set up the
> conditions to allow the mind to settle to its least exited state, a
> state of deep physical and mental rest, which allows
> repair/normalization to take place.
MM:
A camel won't go through the eye of the needle. Concentrating the mind
will make it small enough.
> To use neuro-physiological terminology, turning our attention within
> without effort allows the thalamus to become less active, which creates
> a unique situation where the brain is not processing external OR
> internal sensory stimuli, yet remains alert. This state allows the
> neurons of the brain to optimize their connections and functioning
> without demands from the outside world, OR from the world of mental
> activity.
MM:
What a diversion! Just withdraw from the physical body, and use the
astral body, but that comes after a fight with the mind.
> Repeated exposure to this state/process, however you want to describe
> it, alternated with normal daily activity, brings about enlightenment.
MM:
Are you back to contradicting yourself, again? That sounds like a
fight with the mind, to me.
> Meditate and chop wood, as they say.
MM:
Sounds like you might be getting my point?
>
>
>
> If the mind is silent, then obviously all bad habits and thoughts have
> ceased to exist, or at least manifest, during that period.
MM:
Mind won't become silent, that easily. Sure, if I win the lottery I'll
be rich. Do you think we should face the odds, face the reality? I'm
having difficulty empathizing with your fantasyland.
> By
> alternating between this state (or process towards this state) and
> normal activity, a person spontaneously shows more life-supporting
> behavior because it is the nature of mental and physical health to
> engage in mentally and physically healthy activity. Following religious
> and ethical standards of your society helps reduce the accumulation of
> further stress within yourself (and others) during this process, but
> "good works alone" doesn't do the trick.
MM:
Yes, we need Master's grace, too. Mind has some very bad habits, and I
think you've neglected to mention them.
>
>
>
> But there's no fight in order to turn within.
MM:
Sorry, but if mind won't go within, then there must be a fight to
concentrate it within.
>"Fighting" *might*
> describe the outward stroke of increasing activity after rest is gained,
> but it's detrimental to think of the process as involving fighting and
> control: the process only happens when you don't fight, and when you do,
> you force yourself into increasing activity.
MM:
No, that's false. Fighting with the mind, will make it sit still, and
that is what we want to achieve. Christ said, "If thine eye be single,
they whole body shall be full of light." Mind will not be "single,"
unless we purge out all the extraneous sinful thoughts, i.e.
concentrate the mind.
>
>
> Some people may be comfortable with that amount of meditation, but many
> are not, and many don't want to make the time. 20 minutes a day is
> certainly sufficient to start the process and is sufficient for many
> people. For people with active lives, much more than that can become a
> strain in and of itself. For those who want to make the time, there are
> other forms of activity that stabilize the changes that meditation
> brings about on more subtle levels than normal activity does and the TM
> organization teaches these.
MM:
Beating around the bush. If mind is scattered, then we will continue
to dance to its tune.
>
> Vacation time is another matter, of course. The TM organization offers
> retreats for people who want to dedicate themselves to deeper rest for
> shorter or longer periods of time. If you want to go full out, there's a
> program for secular monks and nuns available, but that's a fulltime TMO
> service thing, not simply a monastic retreat.
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> Nope. You're playing your own game. Let go of that camel dude.
MM:
The camel needs to be concentrated. It (mind, camel) becomes our
friend, if we train it. If we don't then it remains our worst enemy.
Michael Martin
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