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| omjaroo 2006-09-02, 8:30 am |
| 700e et.al,
OK, I'm ready, let's do it!
What are the most frequently asked questions?
What are the questions that should be asked, but are not?
Jared
o
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| omjaroo 2006-09-02, 8:30 am |
| In my estimation a thorough introduction to yoga should answer 300+
questions from a newby and another 300-1000+ from the newly practicing
yogi. I'd say we have our work cut out for us :-) If you post every
conceivable question you can think of, I will put them in a
spreadsheet. Eventually a database would be a better solution (hint...
hint... for any DB programmers out there :-)
What is the definition of yoga?
What are the benefits of practicing yoga?
What is yoga?
What is hatha yoga?
What is karma yoga?
What is jnana yoga?
What is tantra yoga?
What is raja yoga?
What is power yoga?
Are there different kinds of yoga?
How do I find a teacher?
Do I need a teacher (guru)?
Can I learn yoga from a book?
What is meditation?
Do I need to meditate to do yoga?
Can I learn yoga from a DVD
What are the best DVD's for learning yoga?
Is yoga expensive?
Can I do yoga if I drink, smoke, sex and like rock n' roll?
What is fasting?
How do I fast?
Do I need to fast?
What is yama/niyama?
What are the questions that should be asked, are not?
Is yoga a religion?
Do I have to believe in God to do yoga?
Is yoga a cult?
Is yoga anti-Christian?
What should I tell my family and friends about my yoga?
Is yoga the same as Hinduism?
Who are some famous people who practice yoga?
Questions for practicing yogis
Is it OK to make money teaching yoga?
What I want to happen, isn't. Am I doing something wrong?
How far should I push in practice of asana?
Jared
o
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| howdydave 2006-09-02, 4:28 pm |
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omjaroo wrote:
> What is the definition of yoga?
> What are the benefits of practicing yoga?
> What is yoga?
> What is hatha yoga?
> What is karma yoga?
> What is jnana yoga?
> What is tantra yoga?
> What is raja yoga?
> What is power yoga?
> Are there different kinds of yoga?
> How do I find a teacher?
> Do I need a teacher (guru)?
> Can I learn yoga from a book?
> What is meditation?
> Do I need to meditate to do yoga?
> Can I learn yoga from a DVD
> What are the best DVD's for learning yoga?
> Is yoga expensive?
> Can I do yoga if I drink, smoke, sex and like rock n' roll?
> What is fasting?
> How do I fast?
> Do I need to fast?
> What is yama/niyama?
>
>
> What are the questions that should be asked, are not?
> Is yoga a religion?
> Do I have to believe in God to do yoga?
> Is yoga a cult?
> Is yoga anti-Christian?
> What should I tell my family and friends about my yoga?
> Is yoga the same as Hinduism?
> Who are some famous people who practice yoga?
>
> Questions for practicing yogis
> Is it OK to make money teaching yoga?
> What I want to happen, isn't. Am I doing something wrong?
> How far should I push in practice of asana?
>
> Jared
> o
> ^
Why meditate?
Is meditation a necessary facet of yoga?
What is the difference between meditation and contemplative prayer?
Is it necessary to believe in Karma?
Is is necessary to believe in reincarnation?
How do I decide which yogic discipline is right for me?
Is it ok to practice different yogic disciplines at the same time?
What is the difference between faith and insight?
What is non-dualism?
What is dualism?
What is modified dualism/modified non-dualism?
What is "enlightenment"?
What is "insight"?
What is "renunciation"?
Why do they use all of those Sanskrit words instead of saying it in my
own language?
Dave
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| howdydave 2006-09-02, 4:28 pm |
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howdydave wrote:
> omjaroo wrote:
>
>
> Why meditate?
> Is meditation a necessary facet of yoga?
> What is the difference between meditation and contemplative prayer?
> Is it necessary to believe in Karma?
> Is is necessary to believe in reincarnation?
> How do I decide which yogic discipline is right for me?
> Is it ok to practice different yogic disciplines at the same time?
> What is the difference between faith and insight?
> What is non-dualism?
> What is dualism?
> What is modified dualism/modified non-dualism?
> What is "enlightenment"?
> What is "insight"?
> What is "renunciation"?
> Why do they use all of those Sanskrit words instead of saying it in my
> own language?
>
> Dave
What is the difference between "self" and "Self"?
What is atman/atma?
What is the difference between "atman" and "Atman"?
What's so great about saying "I don't know"?
BTW: My first list can probably be broken off at
"How do I decide which yogic discipline is right for me?"
everything after that might be "Questions for Yogis"
HOWEVER
IMO: A practitioner should keep asking all the questions,,,
the ANSWERS may change over time!
Dave
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| omjaroo 2006-09-02, 4:28 pm |
| Thanks Dave,
Great questions. Still got a few of those myself :-) I've added these
to the list. which is at the moment broken down into questions and
categories. So category suggestions are appreciated also.
> Why meditate?
> Is meditation a necessary facet of yoga?
> What is the difference between meditation and contemplative prayer?
> Is it necessary to believe in Karma?
> Is is necessary to believe in reincarnation?
> How do I decide which yogic discipline is right for me?
> Is it ok to practice different yogic disciplines at the same time?
> What is the difference between faith and insight?
> What is non-dualism?
> What is dualism?
> What is modified dualism/modified non-dualism?
> What is "enlightenment"?
> What is "insight"?
> What is "renunciation"?
> Why do they use all of those Sanskrit words instead of saying it in my
> own language?
>
> Dave
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| Richard Corfield 2006-09-02, 4:28 pm |
| I forgot on real FAQ
How long does it take before I .....?
- Richard
--
_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ Richard Corfield <Richard.Corfield@gmail.com>
_/ _/ _/ _/
_/_/ _/ _/ Time is a one way street, .
_/ _/ _/_/ _/_/_/ except in the Twighlight Zone 3^
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| On 2006-09-02 12:58:36 -0700, "omjaroo" <omjaroo@yahoo.com> said:
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> Thanks Dave,
>
> Great questions. Still got a few of those myself :-) I've added these
> to the list. which is at the moment broken down into questions and
> categories. So category suggestions are appreciated also.
>
Put too many answers in the FAQ and we have any new victims...I mean
er....newbies to respond to. Seems like the FAQ should be more like
guidelines, some favorite links and books, and an invitation to join in.
Hari's FAQ was really nice. It was a list of the different schools of
yoga. But it was a WEB site and needed to be maintained. On some
groups people agree on a FAQ and then post it occasionally on the group.
--
~Stu
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| omjaroo 2006-09-02, 4:28 pm |
| Hi Richard,
Good to hear from you. Its been a while.
I culled some good category headings from your post, thanks.
Jared
o
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Richard Corfield wrote:
> I forgot on real FAQ
>
> How long does it take before I .....?
>
> - Richard
>
> --
> _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ Richard Corfield <Richard.Corfield@gmail.com>
> _/ _/ _/ _/
> _/_/ _/ _/ Time is a one way street, .
> _/ _/ _/_/ _/_/_/ except in the Twighlight Zone 3^
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| howdydave 2006-09-02, 4:28 pm |
| Howdy!
I've got one big issue re Q&A re: yoga...
The whole point of yoga is to mull over the
questions and come up with an answer for
yourself, isn't it?
It may be a thin line between:
"What are basic concepts of yoga?"
and
"What are objectives of yoga?"
Not only a thin line, but it may vary from
person to person!
Dave
omjaroo wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
> Hi Richard,
>
> Good to hear from you. Its been a while.
> I culled some good category headings from your post, thanks.
>
> Jared
> o
> ^
>
>
>
> Richard Corfield wrote:
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| howdydave 2006-09-02, 9:26 pm |
| Howdy!
I've got one big issue re Q&A re: yoga...
The whole point of yoga is to mull over the
questions and come up with an answer for
yourself, isn't it?
It may be a thin line between:
"What are basic concepts of yoga?"
and
"What are objectives of yoga?"
Not only a thin line, but it may vary from
person to person!
Maybe 2 sections:
I. About Yoga.
II. Questions that you need to answer for yourself.
Dave
omjaroo wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
> Hi Richard,
>
> Good to hear from you. Its been a while.
> I culled some good category headings from your post, thanks.
>
> Jared
> o
> ^
>
>
>
> Richard Corfield wrote:
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| omjaroo 2006-09-02, 9:26 pm |
| howdydave wrote:
> Howdy!
>
> I've got one big issue re Q&A re: yoga...
>
> The whole point of yoga is to mull over the
> questions and come up with an answer for
> yourself, isn't it?
>
> It may be a thin line between:
> "What are basic concepts of yoga?"
> and
> "What are objectives of yoga?"
>
> Not only a thin line, but it may vary from
> person to person!
>
> Maybe 2 sections:
>
> I. About Yoga.
> II. Questions that you need to answer for yourself.
>
>
> Dave
Point well taken. I have added "perennial questions" to the category
headings list.
I see the faq divided into two main sections. About alt.yoga and About
Yoga
Once we finish the brain-storming process we can easily sort the lists
into sections, etc.
Jared
o
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| Hi Dave,
I humbly suggest that if you really want answers to these questions
that you must consult the ancient Vedic Literatures, which deal at
length with all your questions. If you really sincerely want to know,
go to this link and start reading. Everything you want to know will be
revealed but you have to make the effort. Good luck on your search. If
you have any questions feel free to email me.
http://www.webcom.com/~ara/col/books/
howdydave wrote:
> howdydave wrote:
>
> What is the difference between "self" and "Self"?
> What is atman/atma?
> What is the difference between "atman" and "Atman"?
> What's so great about saying "I don't know"?
>
> BTW: My first list can probably be broken off at
> "How do I decide which yogic discipline is right for me?"
> everything after that might be "Questions for Yogis"
>
> HOWEVER
>
> IMO: A practitioner should keep asking all the questions,,,
> the ANSWERS may change over time!
>
> Dave
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| howdydave 2006-09-03, 4:27 pm |
| Mark brings up an interesting question:
Can truth only be found in one set of scriptures?
Dave
mark wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
> Hi Dave,
>
> I humbly suggest that if you really want answers to these questions
> that you must consult the ancient Vedic Literatures, which deal at
> length with all your questions. If you really sincerely want to know,
> go to this link and start reading. Everything you want to know will be
> revealed but you have to make the effort. Good luck on your search. If
> you have any questions feel free to email me.
>
> http://www.webcom.com/~ara/col/books/
>
> howdydave wrote:
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"howdydave" <howdydave@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1157291163.905405.61260@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
> Mark brings up an interesting question:
>
> Can truth only be found in one set of scriptures?
>
> Dave
>
this stuff is totally subjective. we can however have a meaningful
contribution in terms of human qualities, emotions, psychology etc. greed is
the same across all cultures. discussion of human qualities is unlikely to
lead to altercations. particular sects, religions, cultures probably will.
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| howdydave 2006-09-04, 2:25 am |
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anon wrote:
> "howdydave" <howdydave@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:1157291163.905405.61260@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
>
> this stuff is totally subjective. we can however have a meaningful
> contribution in terms of human qualities, emotions, psychology etc. greed is
> the same across all cultures. discussion of human qualities is unlikely to
> lead to altercations. particular sects, religions, cultures probably will.
Of course it's subjective!
Any decision that a person makes for themself is subjective...
The evidence/arguments/points of view may be objective,
but how a person prioritizes the information is entirely
subjective.
When you get into the realms of non-dualism and monism,
that is the entire point i.e.; not only no objectivity, but no objects!
MOF: Truth is neither subjective nor objective, it just IS!
Dave
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| howdydave 2006-09-04, 2:25 am |
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anon wrote:
> "howdydave" <howdydave@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:1157291163.905405.61260@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
>
> this stuff is totally subjective. we can however have a meaningful
> contribution in terms of human qualities, emotions, psychology etc. greed is
> the same across all cultures. discussion of human qualities is unlikely to
> lead to altercations. particular sects, religions, cultures probably will.
Howdy anon et al.!
See the Subject: BRAIN-STORMING
This is not a discussion just a throwing out of every idea that comes
to mind.
You are getting into another FAQ:
"The Different POVs -- Dualism, Modified Dualism / Modified
Non-Dualism,
Non-Dualism, Monism, Nihilism, Anihilism."
Dave
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| howdydave 2006-09-04, 2:25 am |
| Howdy anon et al.!
See the Subject: BRAIN-STORMING
This is not a discussion just a throwing out of every idea that comes
to mind.
You are getting into another FAQ:
"The Different POVs --
Dualism,
Modified Dualism / Modified Non-Dualism,
Non-Dualism,
Monism,
Nihilism,
Anihilism."
Dave
anon wrote:
> "howdydave" <howdydave@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:1157291163.905405.61260@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
>
> this stuff is totally subjective. we can however have a meaningful
> contribution in terms of human qualities, emotions, psychology etc. greed is
> the same across all cultures. discussion of human qualities is unlikely to
> lead to altercations. particular sects, religions, cultures probably will.
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"howdydave" <howdydave@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1157352033.228965.242160@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>
> See the Subject: BRAIN-STORMING
>
> This is not a discussion just a throwing out of every idea that comes
> to mind.
>
> You are getting into another FAQ:
>
> "The Different POVs -- Dualism, Modified Dualism / Modified
> Non-Dualism,
> Non-Dualism, Monism, Nihilism, Anihilism."
>
over the years i have "discovered" politics. one of the lessons i have
learnt is to watch out for other's irrational fears and attitudes. treading
over them will certainly lead to a fight.
so i would say what i was getting into was :
"how to have a profound and sensitive discussion, without raising defense
mechanisms of others". kind of applied politics. avoid religion like the
plague unless the discussions are a foregone conclusion, in which case it is
a script, not a discussion.
however, human qualities like sensuality, anger, greed, irresponsibility,
attachment are suffcently impersonal to be discussed dispassionately. after
all our goal is to be constructive.
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| Sirgerry 2006-09-04, 4:31 pm |
| What is the connection between Yoga an emotions?
What is the relationship between Yoga and the cure for Physical Pains?
Is Yoga the answer to Stress, panic atacks, anxiety?
How long does it usually take to see results?
What are the contraindications of Yoga?
Who is the oldest person to have practiced Asanas?
Is there an age where you just have to "quit"?
What is the physical-chemical reaction in the body to Asanas?
Thanks!
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| omjaroo 2006-09-04, 4:31 pm |
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Sirgerry wrote:
> What is the connection between Yoga an emotions?
> What is the relationship between Yoga and the cure for Physical Pains?
> Is Yoga the answer to Stress, panic atacks, anxiety?
> How long does it usually take to see results?
> What are the contraindications of Yoga?
> Who is the oldest person to have practiced Asanas?
> Is there an age where you just have to "quit"?
> What is the physical-chemical reaction in the body to Asanas?
>
> Thanks!
Excellent questions.They have been added to the list.
Thanks for helping!
Jared
o
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| omjaroo wrote:
> 700e et.al,
>
> OK, I'm ready, let's do it!
>
> What are the most frequently asked questions?
>
> What are the questions that should be asked, but are not?
>
> Jared
> o
> ^
Hey All,
My thoughts on this
1/ If a faq could be done properly it would have been done long time since,
alt.yoga has been about since 94 ? ( if I recall correctly ) when the net
was smaller and the signal to noise ratio better. ( none happened then -
that was the time when faqs were important )
2/ Are we talking about yoga or asana ? for patanjala yoga one could argue
that the sutra of patanjali are sufficient faq.
3/ A more modern open and flexible format such as a wiki is probably a more
suitable format to manage the info on styles practices schools and
philosophies which abound in the modern gnu age yoga landscape. I have the
tech skills required to facilitate the setup of such a yogawikipedia and am
willing to assist in this if three exists sufficient interest / support. I
do however doubt this as previous attempts such as ashtanga.org met with
little success ashtangi folks prefering to promote their own commercial
interests rather than propogating yoga.
Namaste
IanR
http://yoga.narian.org.uk
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| omjaroo 2006-09-10, 2:26 am |
| Hi IanR,
I appreciate your response.
IanR wrote:
> My thoughts on this
>
> 1/ If a faq could be done properly it would have been done long time since,
> alt.yoga has been about since 94 ? ( if I recall correctly ) when the net
> was smaller and the signal to noise ratio better. ( none happened then -
> that was the time when faqs were important )
I'm not sure what you mean by "proper" but surely a basic faq for
beginners can still be relevant and helpful. In html perhaps with links
to other appropriate sources.
> 2/ Are we talking about yoga or asana ? for patanjala yoga one could argue
> that the sutra of patanjali are sufficient faq.
Your question is a case in point. After all asana and patanjali's
sutras are both aspects of a much larger science called yoga. How is a
new comer to comprehend this sufficiently to understand the distinction
your question suggests?
> 3/ A more modern open and flexible format such as a wiki is probably a more
> suitable format to manage the info on styles practices schools and
> philosophies which abound in the modern gnu age yoga landscape.
I explored the idea of using a wiki format, so of course I went over to
the wikipedia to see how they were doing it. What I saw was arguing
over esoteric/arcane nuance and religious ideas. This is not in any way
helpful for a newcomer. It's not even helpful for experience yogis :-(
Just more confusing. A newcomer needs to settle quickly into
understanding at a simpler level so they can proceed to explore yoga
for themselves. When they are well read and practiced then perhaps they
might wish to go argue minutia with the yoga sophists :-)
> I have the
> tech skills required to facilitate the setup of such a yogawikipedia and am
> willing to assist in this if three exists sufficient interest / support. I
> do however doubt this as previous attempts such as ashtanga.org met with
> little success ashtangi folks prefering to promote their own commercial
> interests rather than propogating yoga.
We don't have issues of commercial interest here. In fact sometimes one
will even the word karma yoga used once in a while :-) Your offer is
certainly appreciated and when the time comes I hope you can help in
some way. At the moment that would be to suggest questions germane to
newcomers so that a list can be compiled and organized.
Thanks
Jared
o
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| On 2006-09-09 11:10:16 -0700, IanR <ian696@narian.org.uk> said:
> omjaroo wrote:
>
> Hey All,
Hi Ian,
Don't think I have seen your posts around here. Your web site has some
lofty credentials, hope you'll stick around to help when people come
here for advice.
>
> My thoughts on this
> 1/ If a faq could be done properly it would have been done long time since,
> alt.yoga has been about since 94 ? ( if I recall correctly ) when the net
> was smaller and the signal to noise ratio better. ( none happened then -
> that was the time when faqs were important )
Hare used to have a faq. Its nice. It helps people stay on topic.
>
> 2/ Are we talking about yoga or asana ? for patanjala yoga one could argue
> that the sutra of patanjali are sufficient faq.
I can't speak for all, but we are talking about yoga. Of course for
many newbies that come here they are thinking asana. Part of the job
of a FAQ would be to alert newbies to this misconception.
The other similar misconception is that meditation is not yoga. People
will say I practice yoga and meditation.
>
> 3/ A more modern open and flexible format such as a wiki is probably a more
> suitable format to manage the info on styles practices schools and
> philosophies which abound in the modern gnu age yoga landscape. I have the
> tech skills required to facilitate the setup of such a yogawikipedia and am
> willing to assist in this if three exists sufficient interest / support. I
> do however doubt this as previous attempts such as ashtanga.org met with
> little success ashtangi folks prefering to promote their own commercial
> interests rather than propogating yoga.
> Namaste
> IanR
> http://yoga.narian.org.uk
A site like that could be cool. It would be important that all
different views would be allowed. Though there are some places of
contention. The question is do we avoid them or face them. I am
thinking about people who believe yoga can not be charged for. Or
those who practice forms like Bikram that can lead to problems because
of the poor teacher training. I suppose a wikipedia format would allow
for those discussions.
But isn't that the fun of the group itself.
Also, on a different note, I have noticed that there is nowhere on the
web that demonstrates restorative yoga. It should have illustrations
on how to use the props and discussions of the benefits. Many
beginners are looking for things they can do at home because they don't
have access to a teacher. Restoratives offer an excellent way to
practice with little risk of hurting oneself.
This may be an excellent use of your talents.
--
~Stu
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| omjaroo wrote:
> Hi IanR,
>
> I appreciate your response.
You are welcome
>
> IanR wrote:
>
> I'm not sure what you mean by "proper" but surely a basic faq for
> beginners can still be relevant and helpful. In html perhaps with links
> to other appropriate sources.
By 'proper' definitive verifiable consensus answers to commonly asked
questions.
>
>
> Your question is a case in point. After all asana and patanjali's
> sutras are both aspects of a much larger science called yoga. How is a
> new comer to comprehend this sufficiently to understand the distinction
> your question suggests?
Yoga sutra 2 - Yoga is the control of the fluctuations of the mind stuff
>
>
> I explored the idea of using a wiki format, so of course I went over to
> the wikipedia to see how they were doing it. What I saw was arguing
> over esoteric/arcane nuance and religious ideas. This is not in any way
> helpful for a newcomer. It's not even helpful for experience yogis :-(
> Just more confusing. A newcomer needs to settle quickly into
> understanding at a simpler level so they can proceed to explore yoga
> for themselves. When they are well read and practiced then perhaps they
> might wish to go argue minutia with the yoga sophists :-)
Argument is seldom helpful discussion can lead to learning for all
participants, the wikipedia folks eventually reach consensus and produce
something which I have respect for.
>
>
> We don't have issues of commercial interest here. In fact sometimes one
> will even the word karma yoga used once in a while :-) Your offer is
> certainly appreciated and when the time comes I hope you can help in
> some way. At the moment that would be to suggest questions germane to
> newcomers so that a list can be compiled and organized.
Don't be so sure of that.
As to questions, best way is to sift through the titles of the last
10 years of post with some sort of script and identify the top 20
questions / themes( more I suspect would be too ambitious )
Write your own answers, compare with those found, re write in an ego less
manner. It would be quite a bit of work.
>
> Thanks
>
> Jared
> o
> ^
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| Stu wrote:
> On 2006-09-09 11:10:16 -0700, IanR <ian696@narian.org.uk> said:
>
Snip[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Hi Ian,
>
> Don't think I have seen your posts around here. Your web site has some
> lofty credentials, hope you'll stick around to help when people come
> here for advice.
Hi Stu,
I do post occasionally if sporadically - usenet access has not been constant
what with spending several years in India in the interim and a lack of
regular paid work.
I hope that I will be able to stick around also, however am currently
undergoing chemotherapy for T-Cell lymphoma - the final and most dangerous
treatments to start in just over a week's time.
>
>
> Hare used to have a faq. Its nice. It helps people stay on topic.
>
>
> I can't speak for all, but we are talking about yoga. Of course for
> many newbies that come here they are thinking asana. Part of the job
> of a FAQ would be to alert newbies to this misconception.
>
> The other similar misconception is that meditation is not yoga. People
> will say I practice yoga and meditation.
Aye - one may state things in several ways but still have them ignored,
modern western yoga is gymnastics with the spiritual cudos !
>
>
>
> A site like that could be cool. It would be important that all
> different views would be allowed. Though there are some places of
> contention. The question is do we avoid them or face them. I am
> thinking about people who believe yoga can not be charged for. Or
> those who practice forms like Bikram that can lead to problems because
> of the poor teacher training. I suppose a wikipedia format would allow
> for those discussions.
>
> But isn't that the fun of the group itself.
Tis, however are we doing this for fun or to produce an useful yoga
reference akin to Feurkstein's - encyclopedic dictionary ?
>
> Also, on a different note, I have noticed that there is nowhere on the
> web that demonstrates restorative yoga. It should have illustrations
> on how to use the props and discussions of the benefits. Many
> beginners are looking for things they can do at home because they don't
> have access to a teacher. Restoratives offer an excellent way to
> practice with little risk of hurting oneself.
Better not to set props and freehand exercises in stone. as
1/ Creates a mini industry selling yet more junk
2/ The experience of a teacher is necessary to decide what prop is required
and this has many variables and may change daily - props and teachers both
encourage dependence - teachers however may have the wisdom to detach
3/ In yoga - for it to be yoga there needs be some 'param parah' (sp ?) or
direct lineage of teaching
I know of one teacher who spent at least 10 minutes inventing and testing
each exercise for a book which she was writing. I believe it sells
reasonably well !
>
> This may be an excellent use of your talents.
>
Hence I think not.
If at least 6 folk in this ng are wish it I shall install the wiki software
on ashtanga.org domain and give logins. That's the most I feel able to
contribute to this endeavor at the moment.
IanR
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| On 2006-09-10 14:38:47 -0700, IanR <ian696@narian.org.uk> said:
>
>
> I hope that I will be able to stick around also, however am currently
> undergoing chemotherapy for T-Cell lymphoma - the final and most dangerous
> treatments to start in just over a week's tim
Yikes. My heart is with you. Hope all goes well.
--
~Stu
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| Stu wrote:
> On 2006-09-10 14:38:47 -0700, IanR <ian696@narian.org.uk> said:
>
>
> Yikes. My heart is with you. Hope all goes well.
Very liberating actually - cherish every little moment/pleasure - am happy
and content - plan to live ... 'Just say NO to DEATH & TAXATION' :-)
Glad I learned my yoga from a yogi rather than a 'yoga teacher' - have been
given yogic initiation by mantra ( some years back ) - hence this will be
last birth - whatever happens ! I draw strength from that.
Thanks
Ian that I am
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| Richard Corfield 2006-09-11, 8:26 am |
| On 2006-09-10, IanR <ian696@narian.org.uk> wrote:
>
> Yoga sutra 2 - Yoga is the control of the fluctuations of the mind stuff
Isn't that better as "Raja Yoga is the control of the fluctuations of
the mind stuff"?
I've heard that people who practice predominately Bhakti Yoga end
up in the same place as someone following Patanjali. I can see that
devotion/prayer/worship as a Bhakti is also effecting the fluctuations
of the mind stuff, but with a more external focus. Yoga as a whole is
a massive subject. It's so much wider than just the sutras and their
interpretation.
Also, someone new to yoga who's been practicing the asana for a bit,
perhaps attending classes, who wants to know more may find a sudden
plunge into the Yoga Sutras a but too much too soon. There are some
topics there that would take a typical westerner some time to get used to.
- Richard
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_/_/ _/ _/ Time is a one way street, .
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| Richard Corfield 2006-09-11, 8:26 am |
| On 2006-09-11, IanR <ian696@narian.org.uk> wrote:
>
> Very liberating actually - cherish every little moment/pleasure - am happy
> and content - plan to live ... 'Just say NO to DEATH & TAXATION' :-)
You certainly learn to cherish all that you have after cancer!
> Glad I learned my yoga from a yogi rather than a 'yoga teacher' - have been
> given yogic initiation by mantra ( some years back ) - hence this will be
> last birth - whatever happens ! I draw strength from that.
>
I do wish you all the best with it, and hope that in yourself you find
strength to get through the treatment. This for your own benefit and
also as it helps others that you meet in hospital.
Even better - I hope you get cured and can live a longer happy life!
- Richard
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_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ Richard Corfield <Richard.Corfield@gmail.com>
_/ _/ _/ _/
_/_/ _/ _/ Time is a one way street, .
_/ _/ _/_/ _/_/_/ except in the Twighlight Zone 3^
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| Paul H 2006-09-11, 4:31 pm |
| Jared,
Hope you are well. I build websites, I also develop Microsoft Access
databases (Not ideal as web databases, but may suffice initially as a
downloadable file) I have also been looking for an excuse to build a proper
web database using them thar newfangled web technologies. So if the project
can start small and slowly evolve, I would be happy to put a few hours in.
As an example of my work here is my brothers website that I built from
scratch and regularly maintain...: www.hypnosisaudio.com
Hope I can help.
Cheers,
Paul
"omjaroo" <omjaroo@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1157859562.413293.101360@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
> Hi IanR,
>
> I appreciate your response.
>
> IanR wrote:
>
> I'm not sure what you mean by "proper" but surely a basic faq for
> beginners can still be relevant and helpful. In html perhaps with links
> to other appropriate sources.
>
>
> Your question is a case in point. After all asana and patanjali's
> sutras are both aspects of a much larger science called yoga. How is a
> new comer to comprehend this sufficiently to understand the distinction
> your question suggests?
>
>
> I explored the idea of using a wiki format, so of course I went over to
> the wikipedia to see how they were doing it. What I saw was arguing
> over esoteric/arcane nuance and religious ideas. This is not in any way
> helpful for a newcomer. It's not even helpful for experience yogis :-(
> Just more confusing. A newcomer needs to settle quickly into
> understanding at a simpler level so they can proceed to explore yoga
> for themselves. When they are well read and practiced then perhaps they
> might wish to go argue minutia with the yoga sophists :-)
>
>
> We don't have issues of commercial interest here. In fact sometimes one
> will even the word karma yoga used once in a while :-) Your offer is
> certainly appreciated and when the time comes I hope you can help in
> some way. At the moment that would be to suggest questions germane to
> newcomers so that a list can be compiled and organized.
>
> Thanks
>
> Jared
> o
> ^
>
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| omjaroo 2006-09-11, 9:30 pm |
| Paul H wrote:
> Jared,
>
> Hope you are well.
Hi Paul, thanks for saying so and good to hear from you!
> I build websites, I also develop Microsoft Access
> databases (Not ideal as web databases, but may suffice initially as a
> downloadable file) I have also been looking for an excuse to build a proper
> web database using them thar newfangled web technologies.
You mean like this: http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/vwd/
>So if the project can start small and slowly evolve, I would be happy to put a few hours in.
Well let's think about how it might look. There's a bunch more work I
need to do before we have any content to work with. Something as simple
as a text faq uploaded to the group or an html faq format hosted on a
website would be the minimum. I'm not sure how fancy we need or want to
get with the presentation. In my thinking its only purpose is to orient
a newby to the width and breath of yoga and give them a jumping off
point for pursuing information along the line of their interests. I
don't see this as an exhaustive or thorough information source. Let's
leave that to people with resources and a grander purpose.
> As an example of my work here is my brothers website that I built from
> scratch and regularly maintain...: www.hypnosisaudio.com
Very nice presentation; clean, professional, attractive. I like it.
> Hope I can help.
Thanks
Jared
o
^
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| Paul H 2006-09-12, 8:25 am |
|
"omjaroo" <omjaroo@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1158011198.679476.88320@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> Paul H wrote:
>
> Hi Paul, thanks for saying so and good to hear from you!
>
>
> You mean like this: http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/vwd/
Maybe, I guess it'll be a case of finding a balance of what we want to
achieve, what technology is available on whose server and what technology I
can get my head around. I was thinking of using MySQL as a back-end. Visual
studio probably would be the best bet for the front-end as it is free and I
know visual basic. Bear in mind I have never used these two platforms, I
just feel that I need to learn them, this would be a good way to do that.
>
>
> Well let's think about how it might look. There's a bunch more work I
> need to do before we have any content to work with. Something as simple
> as a text faq uploaded to the group or an html faq format hosted on a
> website would be the minimum. I'm not sure how fancy we need or want to
> get with the presentation. In my thinking its only purpose is to orient
> a newby to the width and breath of yoga and give them a jumping off
> point for pursuing information along the line of their interests. I
> don't see this as an exhaustive or thorough information source. Let's
> leave that to people with resources and a grander purpose.
I could start chipping in by converting your text based faqs to HTML when
you are ready. Maybe you could email me a sample at "news at comcraft dot
freeserve dot co dot uk".
Cheers,
Paul
>
>
> Very nice presentation; clean, professional, attractive. I like it.
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Jared
> o
> ^
>
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| omjaroo 2006-09-12, 4:31 pm |
| Paul,
> Bear in mind I have never used these two platforms, I
> just feel that I need to learn them, this would be a good way to do that.
Along those lines I was personally interested in something "open
source" This is a list of the quick install options on my server.
Joomla
Mambo
PHPNuke
Drupal
PHPFusion
e107
phpWebSite
PostNuke
> I could start chipping in by converting your text based faqs to HTML when
> you are ready. Maybe you could email me a sample at "news at comcraft dot
> freeserve dot co dot uk".
Whoa, way too cryptic for me :-) How about you email me at yahoo?
Thanks
Jared
o
^
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| Paul H 2006-09-13, 8:25 am |
|
"omjaroo" <omjaroo@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1158074429.122193.309040@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Paul,
>
>
> Along those lines I was personally interested in something "open
> source" This is a list of the quick install options on my server.
> Joomla
> Mambo
> PHPNuke
> Drupal
> PHPFusion
> e107
> phpWebSite
> PostNuke
All a foreign language to me, so it would be un uphill journey for me to use
one of these :O(
>
>
> Whoa, way too cryptic for me :-) How about you email me at yahoo?
Basically if you have a text or word doc and can convert it into a web page
and show you how/where to upload it.
Cheers,
Paul
>
> Thanks
>
> Jared
> o
> ^
>
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| Paul H 2006-09-13, 8:25 am |
| just a test
"omjaroo" <omjaroo@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1158074429.122193.309040@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Paul,
>
>
> Along those lines I was personally interested in something "open
> source" This is a list of the quick install options on my server.
> Joomla
> Mambo
> PHPNuke
> Drupal
> PHPFusion
> e107
> phpWebSite
> PostNuke
>
>
> Whoa, way too cryptic for me :-) How about you email me at yahoo?
>
> Thanks
>
> Jared
> o
> ^
>
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| Hari Har Singh 2006-09-15, 8:23 am |
|
"Stu" <Nospam@towel.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:2006090923100150073-Nospam@towelcom...
> On 2006-09-09 11:10:16 -0700, IanR <ian696@narian.org.uk> said:
>
> Hare used to have a faq. Its nice. It helps people stay on topic.
>
Yes, Hari Har still has :-)
http://altyoga.de.vu/
I heard there is a FAQ discussion going on in alt.yoga - someone wrote in my
guestbook. (Thank you!)
I haven't been here for a long time.
I started writing in this NG in 1997.
At the moment I am hosting http://altyoga.de.vu/ on my webspace.
But there haven't been changes on the faq for years now.
If there is serious interest in creating a new faq homepage and some of the
trustworthy people in here volunteer to obligate as website
administrators/authors I can offer to spend my time to install a Joomla!
based website on my webspace-account. But I would need active help for
example with adding the content.
What do you think about this?
Sat Nam - Hari Har Singh
Tomorrow 3HO Germany celebrates it's 30 birthday!
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| Ohhh, Hari Har Singh,,,
Namaste, my dear friend,,,,where have you been? people here, were
looking for you for a long time,,,and they have cut their hope to see
you, or to hear from you...
Mostly, Jared has called for you, but he could not reach out there I
suppose...
Now you are coming here, and without giving any hello,,, trying to give
tasks to people .. Is this a fair action? Hmm? Is it???
At least you should talk and ask how everybody is, then do your
thing...That would be nice according to my understanding...
We all should trancends from our pleasures in order to arrive at the
same place. That`s at least how I take it...Or, should I understand
your SAT NAM just for your selve only?
With compassion,
Puma
Hari Har Singh wrote:
> "Stu" <Nospam@towel.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:2006090923100150073-Nospam@towelcom...
>
>
> Yes, Hari Har still has :-)
> http://altyoga.de.vu/
>
> I heard there is a FAQ discussion going on in alt.yoga - someone wrote in my
> guestbook. (Thank you!)
>
> I haven't been here for a long time.
> I started writing in this NG in 1997.
>
> At the moment I am hosting http://altyoga.de.vu/ on my webspace.
> But there haven't been changes on the faq for years now.
>
> If there is serious interest in creating a new faq homepage and some of the
> trustworthy people in here volunteer to obligate as website
> administrators/authors I can offer to spend my time to install a Joomla!
> based website on my webspace-account. But I would need active help for
> example with adding the content.
>
> What do you think about this?
>
> Sat Nam - Hari Har Singh
>
> Tomorrow 3HO Germany celebrates it's 30 birthday!
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| howdydave 2006-09-15, 4:24 pm |
|
puma wrote:
> Ohhh, Hari Har Singh,,,
>
> Namaste, my dear friend,,,,where have you been? people here, were
> looking for you for a long time,,,and they have cut their hope to see
> you, or to hear from you...
>
> Mostly, Jared has called for you, but he could not reach out there I
> suppose...
>
> Now you are coming here, and without giving any hello,,, trying to give
> tasks to people .. Is this a fair action? Hmm? Is it???
>
> At least you should talk and ask how everybody is, then do your
> thing...That would be nice according to my understanding...
>
> We all should trancends from our pleasures in order to arrive at the
> same place. That`s at least how I take it...Or, should I understand
> your SAT NAM just for your selve only?
>
> With compassion,
>
Howdy Puma!
Are you saying that:
If your neighbor offers you a corner of his land so that
you can plant a garden, he should also till the soil,
plant the seeds, weed the garden and harvest the crops
for you?
Dave
[vbcol=seagreen]
>
>
> Hari Har Singh wrote:
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howdydave wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
> puma wrote:
>
>
> Howdy Puma!
>
> Are you saying that:
>
> If your neighbor offers you a corner of his land so that
> you can plant a garden, he should also till the soil,
> plant the seeds, weed the garden and harvest the crops
> for you?
>
> Dave
>
Howdy Dave,
You are exactly right with only one exception, I am not the one who
says so,
What I am saying is " At least you should talk and ask how everybody
is, then do your
thing...That would be nice according to my understanding... " Ihhh !!
With compassion,
Puma
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| Richard Corfield wrote:
> Even better - I hope you get cured and can live a longer happy life!
>
> - Richard
>
Thanks to all for the good wishes. Have set up a wikimedia site for anyone
wishing to do a yoga faq / wiki
http://ashtanga.org.uk/yogawiki temporarily till set up as
yogawiki.ashtanga.org ( later )
Thats all I have the time / energy for at the moment. Going into hospital
for 3 weeks as of Thursday ( UK )
I believe that in a world where consumption of resources for short term
satisfaction is poisoning our planet, there exists some scope for promoting
the means of satisfaction through yoga practise.
Perhaps sometimes we can throw off some of the parts of our monkey nature.
Namaste
IanR
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