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To Stu, with compassion forever,,,
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| Good days to you Stu,
I see that you are trying to show not a friendly approach toward
puma...
I see that you even criticize if puma puts top posters...
I see that you are trying to show puma in rudeness and out of
compassion,,,
You say replying to puma is a"" PAIN IN THE XXX..."" Which I do not
like this sort of expressions at all,,,yogic wisdom clearly wants not
to see this sort of depiction...
Dear Stu, if you do not like what puma writes and says,,, you do not
have any obligation to reply him in such a cruel way...
After I`ve read your poster as a reply to me in "maya who says so" , I
just felt that or your
expressions have given me the feeling that pyschologically you are
experiencing some problems,,, If so, we are all ready to help you to
solve your troubles in all the possible ways...
Please next time be kind and nice,,,if this is not possible due to the
conditions you are in,
then it will be better not to write anything untill you recover...
With compassion forever,
PUMA
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| On 2006-08-29 06:59:47 -0700, "puma" <sesli.atbisey@gmail.com> said:
> Good days to you Stu,
>
> I see that you are trying to show not a friendly approach toward
> puma...
>
> I see that you even criticize if puma puts top posters...
>
> I see that you are trying to show puma in rudeness and out of
> compassion,,,
Wrong. I have tried gentle means but you don't seem to get it. Top
posting is rude! It makes it difficult for those who want to have a
discussion with you. It is disrespectful. I thought that a frank
criticism might wake you up like the slap of a Zen masters stick as it
hits the sleeping meditator.
>
> You say replying to puma is a"" PAIN IN THE XXX..."" Which I do not
> like this sort of expressions at all,,,yogic wisdom clearly wants not
> to see this sort of depiction...
Then please find a better term to describe a person who top posts.
Pain in the XXX is succinct.
>
>
> Dear Stu, if you do not like what puma writes and says,,, you do not
> have any obligation to reply him in such a cruel way...
Why are you writing in third person?
>
> After I`ve read your poster as a reply to me in "maya who says so" , I
> just felt that or your
> expressions have given me the feeling that pyschologically you are
> experiencing some problems,,, If so, we are all ready to help you to
> solve your troubles in all the possible ways...
Yes thats it. I am going through a difficult psychological phase.
Early in my childhood I opened the door to my parents bedroom and
caught them in the act of top posting. I am forever scared. The
therapy can only go so far.
Fortunately you are here to psychoanalyze me and help me confront my
nightmare. Already the catharsis has taken hold and a great weight has
been lifted.
There is a new freedom and grace in my posts. Stu suddenly feels
reckless and wants to write in third person. What a guy!
>
> Please next time be kind and nice,,,if this is not possible due to the
> conditions you are in,
> then it will be better not to write anything untill you recover...
>
> With compassion forever,
>
> PUMA
Having recovered I am forever indebted to you pointing out my profound
shadows invading my posts. Confronting these issues have gone far and
stepping me towards enlightenment.
BTW. What country do you live in and what is your native language?
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~Stu
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| Stu wrote:
> On 2006-08-29 06:59:47 -0700, "puma" <sesli.atbisey@gmail.com> said:
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>
> Wrong. I have tried gentle means but you don't seem to get it. Top
> posting is rude! It makes it difficult for those who want to have a
> discussion with you. It is disrespectful. I thought that a frank
> criticism might wake you up like the slap of a Zen masters stick as it
> hits the sleeping meditator.
Hi Stu,
First of all I am glad to see you recovered... If you excuse me, I
still do not understand why top posting is rude! Why it is
disrespectful...The sky above us is top posting, our heads are top
posting in regard with our bodies...And many other examples may easily
shown for top posting. could all these be rude and disrespectful?
To me the problematic top posting are our hang - ups...Our attachments
are causes of
our miseries.Actually as all masters, ZEN masters can not be accepted
as nice people,as the stick has nothing to do with wisdom...
>
>
> Then please find a better term to describe a person who top posts.
> Pain in the XXX is succinct.
>
>
> Why are you writing in third person?
If we are a WHOLE, only third person is outside...MY SELF and Puma are
not same...
Puma is a person who is trying to get into the WHOLENESS...that`s the
reason in writing third person...No other meaning on top of it...b
>
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> Yes thats it. I am going through a difficult psychological phase.
> Early in my childhood I opened the door to my parents bedroom and
> caught them in the act of top posting. I am forever scared. The
> therapy can only go so far.
Both of them can not be at the top!!! There is a contradiction in this
statement of yours...
being at the top or bottom is very relative position...You should know
this by now...
>
> Fortunately you are here to psychoanalyze me and help me confront my
> nightmare. Already the catharsis has taken hold and a great weight has
> been lifted.
Yes, easily I could see that you might have fallen down from a horse
back,when you were trying to have a ride....This might be the cause of
your hate being at the top!!!
>
> There is a new freedom and grace in my posts. Stu suddenly feels
> reckless and wants to write in third person. What a guy!
>
Try it, if you like, see how sad being outside! (Out side of
WHOLENESS.)
>
> Having recovered I am forever indebted to you pointing out my profound
> shadows invading my posts. Confronting these issues have gone far and
> stepping me towards enlightenment.
>
> BTW. What country do you live in and what is your native language?
Since you have asked where I am from, I live in Istanbul, and my
native language is
Turkish.
Thanks for your kind reply anyway...
Compassion is such a great cover that we all are under it, or it is at
the top of us...However you wish...
Puma
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> --
> ~Stu
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| On 2006-08-30 02:05:01 -0700, "puma" <sesli.atbisey@gmail.com> said:
> Stu wrote:
>
> Hi Stu,
>
> First of all I am glad to see you recovered... If you excuse me, I
> still do not understand why top posting is rude! Why it is
> disrespectful...The sky above us is top posting, our heads are top
> posting in regard with our bodies...And many other examples may easily
> shown for top posting. could all these be rude and disrespectful?
Its like eating noodles with your hands instead of a fork and not using
a napkin. You may leave a mess for your host. When you top post it
makes it difficult for a person to reply. Bottom posting is a
convention set up so everyone can take part in the conversation without
a lot of cutting and pasting and confusion.
(snip)
>
> Both of them can not be at the top!!! There is a contradiction in this
> statement of yours...
> being at the top or bottom is very relative position...You should know
> this by now...
I wasn't talking about sex. I meant that I walked into their room and
they were both on the Usenet and were top posting. Just talking about
it now brings on emotions.
It was supposed to be a joke.
>
>
>
> Yes, easily I could see that you might have fallen down from a horse
> back,when you were trying to have a ride....This might be the cause of
> your hate being at the top!!!
Actually top posting is acceptable in two cases:
1. If you are adding a comment to a really long post. Like "I agree".
This saves readers from having to scroll down.
2. In personal email.
> Try it, if you like, see how sad being outside! (Out side of
> WHOLENESS.)
>
> Since you have asked where I am from, I live in Istanbul, and my
> native language is
> Turkish.
Thank you! I have been wondering for a long time.
That is fascinating. Turkey has such an interesting history going back
to the Romans and Ancient Greeks. I was just reading an article about
the Whirling Dhirvishes, the mystical arm of Islam that is illegal
there. I was reading how there are still groups who get together to
dance to ecstasy but they have to do it in secret.
[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Thanks for your kind reply anyway...
>
>
> Compassion is such a great cover that we all are under it, or it is at
> the top of us...However you wish...
>
> Puma
Wow. I really am happy to know where you are from. That makes talking
to you so much more interesting. Is there a large yoga community in
Turkey? Is it difficult to practice in an Islamic society?
--
~Stu
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| Stu wrote:
> On 2006-08-30 02:05:01 -0700, "puma" <sesli.atbisey@gmail.com> said:
>
>
> Its like eating noodles with your hands instead of a fork and not using
> a napkin. You may leave a mess for your host. When you top post it
> makes it difficult for a person to reply. Bottom posting is a
> convention set up so everyone can take part in the conversation without
> a lot of cutting and pasting and confusion.
>
>
> (snip)
>
> I wasn't talking about sex. I meant that I walked into their room and
> they were both on the Usenet and were top posting. Just talking about
> it now brings on emotions.
>
> It was supposed to be a joke.
>
>
> Actually top posting is acceptable in two cases:
>
> 1. If you are adding a comment to a really long post. Like "I agree".
> This saves readers from having to scroll down.
>
> 2. In personal email.
>
>
> Thank you! I have been wondering for a long time.
>
> That is fascinating. Turkey has such an interesting history going back
> to the Romans and Ancient Greeks. I was just reading an article about
> the Whirling Dhirvishes, the mystical arm of Islam that is illegal
> there. I was reading how there are still groups who get together to
> dance to ecstasy but they have to do it in secret.
>
>
> Wow. I really am happy to know where you are from. That makes talking
> to you so much more interesting. Is there a large yoga community in
> Turkey? Is it difficult to practice in an Islamic society?
>
> --
> ~Stu
Hi Stu,
I do this favor just for you, I mean posting at the bottom. I just
want to make you happy.
I see your reasons,,, and I have my reasons too,,, but lets solve this
in an amicable way.
Whenever I post for you, I will do it bottom style,,, but beside yours
my postings will be as I please...So, I presume that you will show
understanding for my this act.
In Turkey Islamic misticims is not illegal,,, the illegality lies in
the fact that Turkish Law do not permit to run government according to
religious rule and view,,, that is religion is free and seperated from
the state. Surely, some smart people try to show themselves as if they
were some sort of Islamic mistics, and they try to induce government
and some important establishments, but these people are not permitted
in their act. This is the reality behind that talks of forbidden
misticism stories...
To prove this, every year in 17 december, people from all over the
world, come to Konya to celebrate the Union of RUMI with God,,, namely
( seb-i aruz ),,, these are all legal...
here I like to give you some pictures of this ceremony...
http://www.sonbaski.com/mevlana/mevlana001.html
Thanks for your nice words about my country.
With peace,
Puma
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| omjaroo 2006-09-01, 8:32 am |
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> To prove this, every year in 17 december, people from all over the
> world, come to Konya to celebrate the Union of RUMI with God,,, namely
> ( seb-i aruz ),,, these are all legal...
> here I like to give you some pictures of this ceremony...
>
> http://www.sonbaski.com/mevlana/mevlana001.html
>
> Thanks for your nice words about my country.
>
Wow! Beautiful! Thanks...
Jared
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| On 2006-09-01 05:13:47 -0700, "puma" <sesli.atbisey@gmail.com> said:
> (snip)
> Wow. I really am happy to know where you are from. That makes talking
>
> Hi Stu,
>
>
> I do this favor just for you, I mean posting at the bottom. I just
> want to make you happy.
Its does. I am happy, happy, happy. Even though I am usually happy.
Now I am happier.
>
> I see your reasons,,, and I have my reasons too,,, but lets solve this
> in an amicable way.
>
> Whenever I post for you, I will do it bottom style,,, but beside yours
> my postings will be as I please...So, I presume that you will show
> understanding for my this act.
>
> In Turkey Islamic misticims is not illegal,,, the illegality lies in
> the fact that Turkish Law do not permit to run government according to
> religious rule and view,,, that is religion is free and seperated from
> the state. Surely, some smart people try to show themselves as if they
> were some sort of Islamic mistics, and they try to induce government
> and some important establishments, but these people are not permitted
> in their act. This is the reality behind that talks of forbidden
> misticism stories...
>
> To prove this, every year in 17 december, people from all over the
> world, come to Konya to celebrate the Union of RUMI with God,,, namely
> ( seb-i aruz ),,, these are all legal...
> here I like to give you some pictures of this ceremony...
>
> http://www.sonbaski.com/mevlana/mevlana001.html
>
> Thanks for your nice words about my country.
>
>
> With peace,
>
> Puma
Thanks. The photos are amazing. You are very fortunate to live in a
land that has rich history and traditions. Los Angeles is missing
that. Everything is new or not more than 50 years old. There are no
traditions, and like most of the US there is little culture outside of
mass media.
--
~Stu
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| Stu wrote:
> On 2006-09-01 05:13:47 -0700, "puma" <sesli.atbisey@gmail.com> said:
>
>
>
> Its does. I am happy, happy, happy. Even though I am usually happy.
> Now I am happier.
>
>
> Thanks. The photos are amazing. You are very fortunate to live in a
> land that has rich history and traditions. Los Angeles is missing
> that. Everything is new or not more than 50 years old. There are no
> traditions, and like most of the US there is little culture outside of
> mass media.
>
> --
> ~Stu
Stu,
L.A. is also rich in many respects, just think about film
industry...Calif. has many Spanish style of traditions, furthermore US
is such a country that all the high technology is being forwarded to
the other parts of the world. This really makes the difference.
Be my guest, if you may come to Istanbul remember, you have a friend
waiting for you.
Puma
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| On 2006-09-01 15:37:21 -0700, "puma" <sesli.atbisey@gmail.com> said:
> Stu,
>
> L.A. is also rich in many respects, just think about film
> industry...Calif. has many Spanish style of traditions, furthermore US
> is such a country that all the high technology is being forwarded to
> the other parts of the world. This really makes the difference.
>
> Be my guest, if you may come to Istanbul remember, you have a friend
> waiting for you.
>
> Puma
Thank you. I would love that. Maybe some day we can get all the
alt.yogis together.
--
~Stu
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Puma, what is the state of religious freedom in Turkey? I read years
ago that it was illegal to preach Christianity in Turkey. Is that
correct? If there is freedom for other religions than Islam in Turkey
would that apply only to Istanbul (which is in Europe), or also to
Turkey proper, which is in Asia minor?
Are you a Muslim? I find fundamentalist Islam very offputting, but
years ago when I read the book "Mystics of Islam" by Nicholson I got a
high opinion of Islam from it.. I don't speak Turkish but think there
is a Turkish translation of this book at
http://www.hermetics.org/anasayfa.html. This site, which is based in
Istanbul, apparently also has Turkish translations of books by British
occultists Dion Fortune and W E Butler also a copy of the Kybalion. But
is Yogananda's "Autobiography of a Yogi" available in Turkish? Maybe
that one would be too nuch for the Turkish authorities to tolerate?
The great cathedral of the Greek Orthodox Church in Istanbul called
Santa Sophia was converted to a mosque when the Turks regained control
of Constantinople and renamed it Istanbul. What is its status today?
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| jaj wrote:
> Puma, what is the state of religious freedom in Turkey? I read years
> ago that it was illegal to preach Christianity in Turkey. Is that
> correct? If there is freedom for other religions than Islam in Turkey
> would that apply only to Istanbul (which is in Europe), or also to
> Turkey proper, which is in Asia minor?
Hi Jaj,
Any religion is free in Turkey. Christians have their churches, Jews
have their snagogues, Muslims have their mosques, and they all preach
in their ways as they wish...Years ago only any missionary act from any
religion was not allowed in Turkey...
But due to Turkey is onthe way of E.U. Then all the missionars are
freely doing their things in Turkey right now!
Istanbul is located on European and Asian sides...And in throughout
Turkey any religion can preach in its own style...No restrictions
whatsoever...
>
> Are you a Muslim?
I am supposed to be a Muslim,,,but when I was 26 years old I decided to
be a Free-Thinker...So I feel myself do not belong any religion at
all...
I find fundamentalist Islam very offputting,
Any fundamentalist from any religion can be very offputting.
but
> years ago when I read the book "Mystics of Islam" by Nicholson I got a
> high opinion of Islam from it.. I don't speak Turkish but think there
> is a Turkish translation of this book at
> http://www.hermetics.org/anasayfa.html. This site, which is based in
> Istanbul, apparently also has Turkish translations of books by British
> occultists Dion Fortune and W E Butler also a copy of the Kybalion.
After your indication, I `ve checked this "Hermetics. org" and found it
interesting...So all the books are freely can be published in Turkey ,
this ORG. is the proof of it.
But
> is Yogananda's "Autobiography of a Yogi" available in Turkish? Maybe
> that one would be too nuch for the Turkish authorities to tolerate?
Yogananda`s " Autobiography of a Yogi" has been translated in Turkish
and it has many printings and even the original can be found too... I
see no reason for the Turkish authorities to tolerate for this book.
Is there any special reason for your reasoning this way?
>
> The great cathedral of the Greek Orthodox Church in Istanbul called
> Santa Sophia was converted to a mosque when the Turks regained control
> of Constantinople and renamed it Istanbul. What is its status today?
This cathedral was coverted to a mosque at the time of OTTOMAN EMPIRE,
but when the Turkish Republic is established, this convertion to a
mosque is abolished, and it has become open to any body as a""
museum""... Now Santa Sophia is a museum...You may visit it when you
have a chance to come to Turkey...
Thanks for your interest in my ountry...If you have time I would
suggest to take a trip to Turkey, if it becomes during summer time , it
would be much more appropriate...And take a vacation accordingly...If
you want to be very close with the history come and visit us.
With compassion,
Puma
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| On 2006-09-10 13:40:34 -0700, "puma" <sesli.atbisey@gmail.com> said:
> jaj wrote:
>
> Hi Jaj,
>
> Any religion is free in Turkey. Christians have their churches, Jews
> have their snagogues, Muslims have their mosques, and they all preach
> in their ways as they wish...Years ago only any missionary act from any
> religion was not allowed in Turkey...
>
> But due to Turkey is onthe way of E.U. Then all the missionars are
> freely doing their things in Turkey right now!
>
> Istanbul is located on European and Asian sides...And in throughout
> Turkey any religion can preach in its own style...No restrictions
> whatsoever...
>
> I am supposed to be a Muslim,,,but when I was 26 years old I decided to
> be a Free-Thinker...So I feel myself do not belong any religion at
> all...
>
> I find fundamentalist Islam very offputting,
>
> Any fundamentalist from any religion can be very offputting.
>
> but
>
> After your indication, I `ve checked this "Hermetics. org" and found it
> interesting...So all the books are freely can be published in Turkey ,
> this ORG. is the proof of it.
>
> But
>
> Yogananda`s " Autobiography of a Yogi" has been translated in Turkish
> and it has many printings and even the original can be found too... I
> see no reason for the Turkish authorities to tolerate for this book.
> Is there any special reason for your reasoning this way?
>
> This cathedral was coverted to a mosque at the time of OTTOMAN EMPIRE,
> but when the Turkish Republic is established, this convertion to a
> mosque is abolished, and it has become open to any body as a""
> museum""... Now Santa Sophia is a museum...You may visit it when you
> have a chance to come to Turkey...
>
> Thanks for your interest in my ountry...If you have time I would
> suggest to take a trip to Turkey, if it becomes during summer time , it
> would be much more appropriate...And take a vacation accordingly...If
> you want to be very close with the history come and visit us.
>
> With compassion,
>
> Puma
Really enjoy hearing about your country. We have many misconceptions
of it. I would love to see it.
--
~Stu
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| Stu wrote:
> On 2006-09-10 13:40:34 -0700, "puma" <sesli.atbisey@gmail.com> said:
>
>
> Really enjoy hearing about your country. We have many misconceptions
> of it. I would love to see it.
> --
> ~Stu
Hi Stu,
Nice to hear you too. Listen, I am not kidding, every nation is famous
for some sort of
action. My people are known for their hospitality. So , if you could
make a plan for next year or any time, let me check about mine and my
wife`s schedule. So we can make
a program for you and( your wife and your son also), you might be my
guest during your stay in Istanbul.
Meantime if you like you may take a trip within Turkey, what do you
say?
Turkey is very cheap in regard with the U.S. I do not think that money
wise any problem
will come out.
Love and peace upon all of us,
Puma
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| On 2006-09-11 02:58:51 -0700, "puma" <sesli.atbisey@gmail.com> said:
> Hi Stu,
>
> Nice to hear you too. Listen, I am not kidding, every nation is famous
> for some sort of
> action. My people are known for their hospitality. So , if you could
> make a plan for next year or any time, let me check about mine and my
> wife`s schedule. So we can make
> a program for you and( your wife and your son also), you might be my
> guest during your stay in Istanbul.
>
> Meantime if you like you may take a trip within Turkey, what do you
> say?
>
> Turkey is very cheap in regard with the U.S. I do not think that money
> wise any problem will come out.
>
> Love and peace upon all of us,
>
> Puma
Thank you for the kind invite. That sounds like a great trip. I have
been wanting to get over there and see Italy and Greece as well. I
wanted to do that this summer but its so difficult with his camp
schedules and my work schedule.
I have a feeling I won't be able to do this for a few years when my boy
goes to college. The three of us traveling is really expensive and
makes it difficult to be spontaneous.
I may take you up on it in time.
s.
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