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| ilya_shambat2004@yahoo.com 2006-08-18, 4:27 pm |
| I have written on all kinds of issues, and now I'm writing about
a problem I've seen in more cases than I can count.
The problem is that of false advertising in relationships and the
culture of insincerity that results.
The perpetrator presents a genial front and acts nice to everyone.
Then when he has found the woman, and she is his, he turns into a
monster. The people cannot believe that he does the things that he
does, because according to the impression he gives to them he is a
nice person. And the person against whom the perpetrator commits his
abominations is blamed for all things that result, and is attacked
even further if she tries to leave the perpetrator.
In business, advertising as one thing while having a completely
different product is known as false advertisement. It is a crime,
and one that is severely punished. But in relationships there is no
clause about false advertising. Instead, the person at the receiving
end of the abominations is blamed for all things, and is blamed even
further if she tries to go on her own.
This of course results in tremendous ongoing hypocrisy and
insincerity. And it is a hypocrisy and insincerity that requires for
its perpetuation a destruction of sincerity wherever it can be
found. Thus, the sincere woman is entrapped; the sincere man is seen
as being fundamentally criminal. And it is through this attack on
sincerity that the culture of false advertising and insincerity goes
on.
Insincerity, for its continuation, requires further destruction of
sincerity wherever it can be found. Thus, any true feeling, any
true idea, any true existence, comes under vicious attack. And the
result is a putrid swamp of falsehood and viciousness and hypocrisy
that ensnares all the living. And then this swamp claims for itself
the sanction of religion or of morality.
For this abomination to end, it becomes requisite to see all false
advertising for what it is, and to instead demand truthful portrayal
of self, of feeling, and of attitude. And then one more obstacle to
sincerity, passion and excellence will be removed, and it will be
more possible for more people to live truly.
Ilya Shambat
http://ibshambat.blogspot.com
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| meditationguru 2006-08-18, 4:27 pm |
| Relationship is the commune between two souls, not two minds.
If we analise and live with mind, we tend to suffer because of wrong
understandings.
If we live with self, i.e., in total, totality, with out any analisis
and beyond mind, then the relationship will be for ever and it will be
Blissful.
meditationguru
www.meditationguru.com
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| Mirelle 2006-08-18, 4:27 pm |
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ilya_shambat2004@yahoo.com wrote:
<snip>
> I have written on all kinds of issues, and now I'm writing about
> a problem I've seen in more cases than I can count.
>
> The problem is that of false advertising in relationships and the
> culture of insincerity that results.
>
> The perpetrator presents a genial front and acts nice to everyone.
> Then when he has found the woman, and she is his, he turns into a
> monster. The people cannot believe that he does the things that he
> does, because according to the impression he gives to them he is a
> nice person. And the person against whom the perpetrator commits his
> abominations is blamed for all things that result, and is attacked
> even further if she tries to leave the perpetrator.
>
> In business, advertising as one thing while having a completely
> different product is known as false advertisement. It is a crime,
> and one that is severely punished. But in relationships there is no
> clause about false advertising. Instead, the person at the receiving
> end of the abominations is blamed for all things, and is blamed even
> further if she tries to go on her own.
>
> This of course results in tremendous ongoing hypocrisy and
> insincerity. And it is a hypocrisy and insincerity that requires for
> its perpetuation a destruction of sincerity wherever it can be
> found. Thus, the sincere woman is entrapped; the sincere man is seen
> as being fundamentally criminal. And it is through this attack on
> sincerity that the culture of false advertising and insincerity goes
> on.
>
> Insincerity, for its continuation, requires further destruction of
> sincerity wherever it can be found. Thus, any true feeling, any
> true idea, any true existence, comes under vicious attack. And the
> result is a putrid swamp of falsehood and viciousness and hypocrisy
> that ensnares all the living. And then this swamp claims for itself
> the sanction of religion or of morality.
>
> For this abomination to end, it becomes requisite to see all false
> advertising for what it is, and to instead demand truthful portrayal
> of self, of feeling, and of attitude. And then one more obstacle to
> sincerity, passion and excellence will be removed, and it will be
> more possible for more people to live truly.
>
> Ilya Shambat
> http://ibshambat.blogspot.com
<snip>
I like what you said. Also I like your blog.
I think I may join this group then all the other hostile political
groups that I have tried to post to about Peace and understanding
between cultures and races.
If any one posts a sincere post, others come and name call and bully.
I am a meditator for 36 years and perhaps I belong in spiritual sites,
instead of trying to get a heart to heart dialogue going in the
Political groups.
Mirelle
Mirelle
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| ilya_shambat2004@yahoo.com 2006-08-18, 4:27 pm |
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Mirelle wrote:
> I like what you said. Also I like your blog.
Thank you.
> I think I may join this group then all the other hostile political
> groups that I have tried to post to about Peace and understanding
> between cultures and races.
> If any one posts a sincere post, others come and name call and bully.
> I am a meditator for 36 years and perhaps I belong in spiritual sites,
> instead of trying to get a heart to heart dialogue going in the
> Political groups.
Go ahead, check them out. There are some wonderful people on those
sites.
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| LauraM 2006-08-18, 9:25 pm |
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Mirelle wrote:
> I like what you said. Also I like your blog.
> I think I may join this group then all the other hostile political
> groups that I have tried to post to about Peace and understanding
> between cultures and races.
> If any one posts a sincere post, others come and name call and bully.
> I am a meditator for 36 years and perhaps I belong in spiritual sites,
> instead of trying to get a heart to heart dialogue going in the
> Political groups.
>
I couldn't agree more! I had posted something in a group about dieting
once, and I hurt someone's feelings without knowing it. So I
practically begged for forgiveness and explained I didn't know the
group etiquette and would make sure it didn't happen again. (I
answered a post in a thread and got off topic. Big crime, eh?) But I
was shut out and called names. It seems there is a lack of forgiveness
and understanding these days. It's a throw-away world on the internet,
that's for sure.
I've always dealt with this, though. Have you? I've always felt that
a lot of people were false and wanted control. Even as a child. My
mom explained to me as a teenager that this awareness I would view as a
curse at that time, but later I'd grow up and recognize it as a gift.
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| Erwin Hessle 2006-08-18, 9:25 pm |
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LauraM wrote:
> Mirelle wrote:
> I couldn't agree more! I had posted something in a group about dieting
> once, and I hurt someone's feelings without knowing it. So I
> practically begged for forgiveness and explained I didn't know the
> group etiquette and would make sure it didn't happen again. (I
> answered a post in a thread and got off topic. Big crime, eh?) But I
> was shut out and called names. It seems there is a lack of forgiveness
> and understanding these days. It's a throw-away world on the internet,
> that's for sure.
>
> I've always dealt with this, though. Have you? I've always felt that
> a lot of people were false and wanted control. Even as a child. My
> mom explained to me as a teenager that this awareness I would view as a
> curse at that time, but later I'd grow up and recognize it as a gift.
I hate to shatter that cosy self-image you've got going on there
(actually I don't) but you have this completely backwards.
The problem is not that you were "shut out and called names", and it is
not that "there is a lack of forgiveness...these days". The problem is
that you chose to react negatively to all this. The fact that you felt
"shut out" of a newsgroup, of all places, should have clued you into
this. It's just words on your screen, yet you still managed to convince
yourself that they were all out to get you.
There are two things that should make this strikingly obvious to you.
The first is the fact that you think "a lot of people [are] false and
wanted control". When you start thinking that "a lot of people" are
this, that, or the other, 99% of the time it's not them that has the
problem, it's you. The second is that fact that your mom told you it
was a gift, and you still believe that crap because it makes you feel
all cuddly, and you have yet to outgrow the delusion that your mom is
the wisest person in the universe.
This thread is just one great big whiny group hug.
Stop feeling sorry for yourself. Get out of your bubble. Quit thinking
that everyone should just get along.
Erwin Hessle, 8=3
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| Mirelle 2006-08-18, 9:25 pm |
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LauraM wrote:
> Mirelle wrote:
> I couldn't agree more! I had posted something in a group about dieting
> once, and I hurt someone's feelings without knowing it. So I
> practically begged for forgiveness and explained I didn't know the
> group etiquette and would make sure it didn't happen again.
Even if you were to have followed 'group etiquette' they may still have
lunged and attacked you !
> (I
> answered a post in a thread and got off topic. Big crime, eh?)
Like they do not get off topic !
> But I
> was shut out and called names.
That is their specialty, name calling and perusal attack.
> It seems there is a lack of forgiveness
> and understanding these days.
Often there is nothing to forgive, it was just a simple post !
> It's a throw-away world on the internet,
> that's for sure.
THAT IS FOR SURE !
The anonymity of the internet has people taking more liberties with
their aggression then they would in person.
> I've always dealt with this, though. Have you? I've always felt that
> a lot of people were false and wanted control.
Yes my life has been exactly that way, people are social climbers and
control mad generally !
> Even as a child.
I had extra ordinary perception also as a child. It was difficult.
>My
> mom explained to me as a teenager that this awareness I would view as a
> curse at that time, but later I'd grow up and recognize it as a gift.
You have a loving mother !
Mirelle
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| Erwin Hessle 2006-08-18, 9:25 pm |
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Mirelle wrote:
> LauraM wrote:
>
> Even if you were to have followed 'group etiquette' they may still have
> lunged and attacked you !
>
>
> Like they do not get off topic !
>
>
> That is their specialty, name calling and perusal attack.
>
>
>
> Often there is nothing to forgive, it was just a simple post !
>
>
> THAT IS FOR SURE !
> The anonymity of the internet has people taking more liberties with
> their aggression then they would in person.
>
>
>
> Yes my life has been exactly that way, people are social climbers and
> control mad generally !
>
>
> I had extra ordinary perception also as a child. It was difficult.
>
>
> You have a loving mother !
>
> Mirelle
See?
Erwin Hessle, 8=3
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| Mirelle 2006-08-18, 9:25 pm |
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Erwin Hessle wrote:
<snip>
> LauraM wrote:
>
> I hate to shatter that cosy self-image you've got going on there
> (actually I don't) but you have this completely backwards.
>
> The problem is not that you were "shut out and called names", and it is
> not that "there is a lack of forgiveness...these days". The problem is
> that you chose to react negatively to all this. The fact that you felt
> "shut out" of a newsgroup, of all places, should have clued you into
> this. It's just words on your screen, yet you still managed to convince
> yourself that they were all out to get you.
>
> There are two things that should make this strikingly obvious to you.
> The first is the fact that you think "a lot of people [are] false and
> wanted control". When you start thinking that "a lot of people" are
> this, that, or the other, 99% of the time it's not them that has the
> problem, it's you. The second is that fact that your mom told you it
> was a gift, and you still believe that crap because it makes you feel
> all cuddly, and you have yet to outgrow the delusion that your mom is
> the wisest person in the universe.
>
> This thread is just one great big whiny group hug.
>
> Stop feeling sorry for yourself. Get out of your bubble. Quit thinking
> that everyone should just get along.
>
> Erwin Hessle, 8=3
<snip>
Perfect example of a control friek !
Mirelle
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| Erwin Hessle 2006-08-18, 9:25 pm |
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Mirelle wrote:
> Erwin Hessle wrote:
> <snip>
> <snip>
Call me old fashioned, but it's traditional to use <snip> only when you
actually snip something.
Stop me if I'm getting too technical for you.
> Perfect example of a control friek !
>
> Mirelle
Your stupidity surely knows no bounds, although I'm sure you already
know that from your "extra ordinary perception", right?
Erwin Hessle, 8=3
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| Mirelle 2006-08-18, 9:25 pm |
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Erwin Hessle wrote:
<snip>
> Mirelle wrote:
>
<snip>
> Call me old fashioned, but it's traditional to use <snip> only when you
> actually snip something.
You old fashioned, you feign intellect !
> Stop me if I'm getting too technical for you.
OK I WILL STOP YOU
see the following that you were a part of thet leads to PORN !
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CoreyWh...@gmail.com wrote:
> Okay, I wrote another draft, but I think I need another title now:
> Only an archetype
> The Father who created you
> Who taught you everything
> Where is he now?
> Have you become him?
> Or were you left behind
> Among swords and shields
> While still only a fool.
> Were you an artist
> Before they sold you a lie
> And stole your dreams?
> Left without inspiration.
> Among forgotten lines,
> The beauty came close enough
> To aproximating the reality.
> Like Pi.
> Art is irrational,
> You always knew that.
> And all artists are crazy.
> They drink and smoke.
> And die before they ever finish
> Painting sanity on a canvas.
> Left with an archetype
> Art is a metaphor for trust.
What did I just XXXXing tell you?
Erwin Hessle, 8=3
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> Erwin Hessle wrote:
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> How do you feel about antipoems?
As long as it's not a poem, I don't care.
Erwin Hessle, 8=3
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<CoreyWh...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Okay, I wrote another draft, but I think I need another title now:
> Only an archetype
> The Father who created you
> Who taught you everything
> Where is he now?
Only a ladder--
The father made me;
Clum me,
How near are we now?
> Have you become him?
> Or were you left behind
> Among swords and shields
> While still only a fool.
What is my canvas?
Was I limned beyond --
on reeded rivers
among the cat bones?
> Were you an artist
> Before they sold you a lie
> And stole your dreams?
> Left without inspiration.
Was I a butterfly
before I sold my airial cream?
Wings don't beat dreams
I fly by less than a feather.
> Among forgotten lines,
> The beauty came close enough
> To aproximating the reality.
> Like Pi.
The swamp forgotten, below
the sky, in fireflies of night
wove the mosaic -- starry sky --
a Phi, churned up by Fibonacci.
> Art is irrational,
> You always knew that.
> And all artists are crazy.
> They drink and smoke.
The numbers add to my flight
Sunward I've climbed, and joined
The tumbling mirth of sun-split clouds
And drank and smoked the hurricanes.
> And die before they ever finish
> Painting sanity on a canvas.
> Left with an archetype
> Art is a metaphor for trust.
Art is less
than the drips
at the end of sex.
A pallid metaphore of lust.
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You are a pefect example of a sex pervert !
>
> Your stupidity surely knows no bounds, although I'm sure you already
> know that from your "extra ordinary perception", right?
Your immorality and trolling shows no bounds !
>
> Erwin Hessle, 8=3
Erwin=Hassle
Mirelle
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| Erwin Hessle 2006-08-18, 9:25 pm |
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Mirelle wrote:
> Erwin Hessle wrote:
> <snip>
> <snip>
>
> You old fashioned, you feign intellect !
You monkey, you feign brain!
>
> OK I WILL STOP YOU
> see the following that you were a part of thet leads to PORN !
OH NO! THE TERRRRRRRRRRRIBLE PORN!!! WHO WILL SAVE US NOW?!?!?
Wait, Archie's around here somewhere, he'll take care of us.
<snip>
Did you learn something just then?
>
> Your immorality and trolling shows no bounds !
"Immorality"?
Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
What XXXXing century are you living in?
Erwin Hessle, 8=3
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| Mirelle 2006-08-18, 9:25 pm |
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Erwin Hessle wrote:
<snip>
> Mirelle wrote:
>
> You monkey, you feign brain!
>
>
> OH NO! THE TERRRRRRRRRRRIBLE PORN!!! WHO WILL SAVE US NOW?!?!?
>
> Wait, Archie's around here somewhere, he'll take care of us.
>
> <snip>
>
> Did you learn something just then?
>
>
> "Immorality"?
>
> Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
>
> What XXXXing century are you living in?
>
> Erwin Hessle, 8=3
<snip>
PLONK
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| Erwin Hessle 2006-08-18, 9:25 pm |
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Mirelle wrote:
> Erwin Hessle wrote:
> <snip>
> <snip>
>
> PLONK
And down you go!
Erwin Hessle, 8=3
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| On 18 Aug 2006 18:09:32 -0700, "Erwin Hessle" <erwin@erwinhessle.com>
muttered intensely:
C'mon Erwin. You can't save people from themselves. You should know
that by now.
They don't want to think, they don't want to take responsibility, they
don't want to see other people as anything but EVIL. It's all a
self-reinforcing mindset of ego protection at any cost.
I find it immensely humorous that she called YOU a 'control friek'
(can't even spell properly) simply because you didn't feed the demand
for sympathy and support of her delusions of persecution by "the
world".
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| Erwin Hessle 2006-08-19, 2:25 am |
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Brett wrote:
> On 18 Aug 2006 18:09:32 -0700, "Erwin Hessle" <erwin@erwinhessle.com>
> muttered intensely:
>
> C'mon Erwin. You can't save people from themselves. You should know
> that by now.
I don't want to save them. Usenet is for fun.
> They don't want to think, they don't want to take responsibility, they
> don't want to see other people as anything but EVIL. It's all a
> self-reinforcing mindset of ego protection at any cost.
>
> I find it immensely humorous that she called YOU a 'control friek'
> (can't even spell properly) simply because you didn't feed the demand
> for sympathy and support of her delusions of persecution by "the
> world".
You can tell these self-deluded nutjobs by the fact that, whatever is
going on in their lives, it's always someone else's fault. The idea
that they can interact with their environment on their own terms simpy
doesn't enter their heads.
The lack of insight is simply staggering. It's a mystery to me,
frankly, how they manage to get themselves out of bed.
Erwin Hessle, 8=3
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"Erwin Hessle" <erwin@erwinhessle.com> skrev i meddelandet
news:1155961074.548053.170030@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> Brett wrote:
>
> I don't want to save them. Usenet is for fun.
>
>
> You can tell these self-deluded nutjobs by the fact that, whatever is
> going on in their lives, it's always someone else's fault. The idea
> that they can interact with their environment on their own terms simpy
> doesn't enter their heads.
>
> The lack of insight is simply staggering. It's a mystery to me,
> frankly, how they manage to get themselves out of bed.
>
> Erwin Hessle, 8=3
Well, if nothing else, this thread has shown me thruth in the expression "people,
who are talking about others, often reveal more about themselves than those they
are talking about."
thx... K-ET
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| ilya_shambat2004@yahoo.com 2006-08-19, 9:24 pm |
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Brett wrote:
> On 18 Aug 2006 18:09:32 -0700, "Erwin Hessle" <erwin@erwinhessle.com>
> muttered intensely:
>
> C'mon Erwin. You can't save people from themselves. You should know
> that by now.
>
> They don't want to think, they don't want to take responsibility, they
> don't want to see other people as anything but EVIL.
Mirelle said that she worked as a mediator for 36 years. One does not
work as a mediator for 36 years without thinking or taking
responsibility or not seeing other people as EVIL.
Perhaps you mean, think your way? When your way includes obvious
oblivion to the social dynamics of the kind that are being made
apparent in this thread?
There is no such thing as responsibility without knowledge. And
knowledge includes knowledge of social dynamics, to which you are
obviously oblivious.
So then let's see this for what it is: You don't want to think; you
don't want to do what is necessary to take responsibility; and then you
talk about not saving people from themselves.
Wow. My case keeps growing and growing.
> I find it immensely humorous that she called YOU a 'control friek'
> (can't even spell properly) simply because you didn't feed the demand
> for sympathy and support of her delusions of persecution by "the
> world".
I did not see her having any such delusions.
What I see in you, however, is determined blindness to forces that are
instrumental toward making the world in which we live -
- and desire to protect that blindness at any cost.
Anything else you want to know?
Cheers,
Ilya Shambat
http://ibshambat.blogspot.com
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| ilya_shambat2004@yahoo.com 2006-08-19, 9:24 pm |
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Erwin Hessle wrote:
> Brett wrote:
>
> I don't want to save them. Usenet is for fun.
Usenet is for what it is that you use it for.
That's why it is called Usenet.
You use it to attack people. I use it to post insightful work that
could reach people who need it and do some good.
Mine is a far more morally upstanding stance.
> The lack of insight is simply staggering.
Lack of insight?
The post that started this thread was an expose of a long-running
cultural con. And one that I have seen in the lives of many, many
people.
My point stands validated: A culture of insincerity cannot allow for
sincerity.
And the sincerity that it cannot allow includes social insight.
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| ilya_shambat2004@yahoo.com 2006-08-19, 9:24 pm |
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K-ET wrote:
> "Erwin Hessle" <erwin@erwinhessle.com> skrev i meddelandet
> news:1155961074.548053.170030@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> Well, if nothing else, this thread has shown me thruth in the expression "people,
> who are talking about others, often reveal more about themselves than those they
> are talking about."
I find it ironic that Brett and Erwin are having a mutual
ignorance-spreading and others-blaming group hug while claiming that
they are the ones taking responsibility or having insight.
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| ilya_shambat2004@yahoo.com 2006-08-19, 9:24 pm |
|
LauraM wrote:
> Mirelle wrote:
> I couldn't agree more! I had posted something in a group about dieting
> once, and I hurt someone's feelings without knowing it. So I
> practically begged for forgiveness and explained I didn't know the
> group etiquette and would make sure it didn't happen again. (I
> answered a post in a thread and got off topic. Big crime, eh?) But I
> was shut out and called names. It seems there is a lack of forgiveness
> and understanding these days. It's a throw-away world on the internet,
> that's for sure.
>
> I've always dealt with this, though. Have you? I've always felt that
> a lot of people were false and wanted control. Even as a child. My
> mom explained to me as a teenager that this awareness I would view as a
> curse at that time, but later I'd grow up and recognize it as a gift.
The Sunflower and the Butterfly
A Children's Story
The rain was pouring in sheets, and lightning struck the ground from
the sky. It was November in Illinois, storm season. A fresh gust of
wind from the North picked up a sunflower seed that lay on the road and
carried it to the edge of a field. The sunflower seed fell on the
ground and stayed there through the winter.
In the spring the farmer was planting corn and came across the first
tender shoots. He rolled over them with his plow. "This no-good weed,"
he mumbled, "takes the soil away from good crops." Then he continued
planting corn seeds.
The sunflower seed survived and kept growing. One day the farmer's son
was playing in the field and came across the young plant. He said,
"What is this stupid weed doing here?" He struck at it with a stick and
tore off three leaves. But the sunflower continued to grow.
One day a butterfly was flying around in the cornfield and found the
young plant. The sunflower asked the butterfly, "Why am I here?
Everyone says I am no good and keeps trying to kill me. If I am no
good, then why was I ever born?"
The butterfly hovered gently over the delicate leaves and said, "You
are a sunflower. You are in a corn field. The people here think you're
no good because they are growing corn, and they think you're a weed.
But a hundred yards from here, along the road, there are hundreds of
sunflowers. They line the road and the drivers think they're very
beautiful."
The sunflower asked, "Why am I here, where nobody wants me? Did other
sunflowers hate me?" The butterfly swept her wings around and said,
"You are lucky to be here. The other sunflowers get plucked and sold as
food. Here, you could grow up. Count your blessings."
And the sunflower praised God and grew up to be as tall as the corn.
When the farmer and his son saw it again, they marveled at it. "It must
be a sturdy weed," the farmer said, "to have grown this tall under such
conditions. We're not gonna touch it again." So they left it alone.
When August came, the sunflower was in full bloom and following the sun
as it rose in the morning and went down at night. A butterfly came
again and said, "See? Now you're all grown. Do you like yourself now?"
"I don't know," said the sunflower. "You are beautiful," said the
butterfly to the sunflower. "You are beautiful," said the sunflower to
the butterfly. And the butterfly pollinated the sunflower.
The farmer's wife and daughter were walking in the field. The little
girl said, "Look, it's a sunflower!" "Yes, dear," said her mother,
"it's a sunflower. And it grew in a corn field even though your daddy
tried to kill all the weeds. It must be a very special sunflower."
"Let's pluck it for good luck," insisted the girl. "No dear," said her
mother, "it must have been blessed to survive what it did. Kiss its
leaves for good luck and then leave it alone."
The next night, while the mother was sleeping, the little girl went out
into the field and plucked the sunflower. She put it in a vase. When
next morning her mother found the sunflower in the little girl's room,
she got angry. She said, "This plant survives storms, winter and your
dad's plow, and you kill it. Are there not enough sunflowers along the
road, that you had to kill something so precious?"
The girl cried and became afraid. She said to her mother, "I will be
forgiven, right? I am a good girl, right?" The mother looked at her and
said, "You have to ask for forgiveness, and you have to pray."
The girl came up to the sunflower and said, "I am sorry." Then she
prayed that the sunflower live on.
The farmer saw the sunflower in his daughter's room and said, "It is
not by accident that this plant lived while we were trying to kill all
the weeds. Perhaps it is trying to tell us something. I'll build a plot
next to the corn fields where we'll be raising sunflowers." And he
cracked the plant, he took out the seeds from it and put them in little
bag to grow the next spring.
As he was plucking out the seeds, from the sunflower emerged a
beautiful butterfly. She flew away and found her friend. And together
they went on spreading her blessings and knowledge to all the flowers
that lived in the surrounding fields.
Ilya Shambat
http://ibshambat.blogspot.com
| |
| Erwin Hessle 2006-08-19, 9:24 pm |
|
ilya_shambat2004@yahoo.com wrote:
> K-ET wrote:
>
> I find it ironic that Brett and Erwin are having a mutual
> ignorance-spreading and others-blaming group hug while claiming that
> they are the ones taking responsibility or having insight.
I find it ironic that you of all people are pretending to know
something. What's your point?
Erwin Hessle, 8=3
| |
| Erwin Hessle 2006-08-19, 9:24 pm |
|
ilya_shambat2004@yahoo.com wrote:
> Erwin Hessle wrote:
>
> Usenet is for what it is that you use it for.
Agreement noted.
> That's why it is called Usenet.
No, it's called Usenet because of it's creators' associations with the
USENIX organisation.
There you go pretending to know something again.
> You use it to attack people. I use it to post insightful work that
> could reach people who need it and do some good.
No, you use it to post completely pointless, meandering, meaningless
toss. You are one of the biggest trolls on this newsgroup.
> Mine is a far more morally upstanding stance.
Here you prove my previous point.
>
> Lack of insight?
See, you *can* correctly identify words. Now you can begin to work on
understanding sentences.
> The post that started this thread was an expose of a long-running
> cultural con. And one that I have seen in the lives of many, many
> people.
No, the post that started this thread was a complete bunch of
self-pitying, self-righteous, moralistic pile of shit. The delusions
you are attempting to spread are directly responsible for the
unhappiness you claim you are trying to alleviate. If anyone is selling
a deceitful, misleading, harmful and pernicious con here, it's you.
> My point stands validated:
You didn't have a point. That's all in your imagination. This is
precisely what happens when you pretend to know something.
> A culture of insincerity cannot allow for
> sincerity.
>
> And the sincerity that it cannot allow includes social insight.
Said the blind and insincere troll.
Erwin Hessle, 8=3
| |
| Erwin Hessle 2006-08-19, 9:24 pm |
|
ilya_shambat2004@yahoo.com wrote:
> Brett wrote:
>
> Mirelle said that she worked as a mediator for 36 years. One does not
> work as a mediator for 36 years without thinking or taking
> responsibility or not seeing other people as EVIL.
You are a total loon.
> Perhaps you mean, think your way? When your way includes obvious
> oblivion to the social dynamics of the kind that are being made
> apparent in this thread?
Yes, you are oblivious to the social dynamics that have been explained
clearly to you.
Erwin Hessle, 8=3
| |
|
| On 19 Aug 2006 14:48:55 -0700, ilya_shambat2004@yahoo.com muttered
intensely:
>I find it ironic that Brett and Erwin are having a mutual
>ignorance-spreading and others-blaming group hug while claiming that
>they are the ones taking responsibility or having insight.
You are too damaged to have any real insight, Ilya. It's all paved
over with fear and shame.
Try looking outside the "crack in the door" at what is really going
on.
> I couldn't agree more! I had posted something in a group about dieting
> once, and I hurt someone's feelings without knowing it. So I
> practically begged for forgiveness and explained I didn't know the
> group etiquette and would make sure it didn't happen again. (I
> answered a post in a thread and got off topic. Big crime, eh?) But I
> was shut out and called names. It seems there is a lack of forgiveness
> and understanding these days. It's a throw-away world on the internet,
> that's for sure.
So she feels shame at the innocent act of hurting someone's feelings
without knowing it.
No matter what you do, someone will always take offense. No matter
how innocent or sincere, the most damaged will always read evil into
it, just as you are doing.
You can't live your life in fear of these types, nor can you bow down
in shame and guilt for hurting their feelings. They WANT you to hurt
their feelings, because it gives them comfort, sympathy, and most of
all, power over YOU - especially if you give in to that shame.
> I've always dealt with this, though. Have you? I've always felt that
> a lot of people were false and wanted control. Even as a child. My
> mom explained to me as a teenager that this awareness I would view as a
> curse at that time, but later I'd grow up and recognize it as a gift.
Everyone wants power and control, if only of themselves, even the
person who wrote this. That's why she accuses Erwin of being a
control freak, so as to give herself power in anger.
Go back to the original sentence there.
"I've always dealt with this, though. Have you?"
Yes. Everybody who has ever lived has had to deal with it.
Deal with it.
Lose the shame, guilt and posturing.
Stop being wounded by it.
| |
|
|
<ilya_shambat2004@yahoo.com> skrev i meddelandet
news:1156024135.099082.255340@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> K-ET wrote:
>
> I find it ironic that Brett and Erwin are having a mutual
> ignorance-spreading and others-blaming group hug while claiming that
> they are the ones taking responsibility or having insight.
>
I must disagree with you here. The Erwin guy is someone I have no previous
knowledge about. At least he's never posted in ARS before. However, Brett is a
familiar figure in ARS and I have never found his posts be what you wrote above.
....K-ET
| |
| ibshambat2004@hotmail.com 2006-08-20, 9:27 pm |
|
K-ET wrote:
> <ilya_shambat2004@yahoo.com> skrev i meddelandet
> news:1156024135.099082.255340@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> I must disagree with you here. The Erwin guy is someone I have no previous
> knowledge about. At least he's never posted in ARS before. However, Brett is a
> familiar figure in ARS and I have never found his posts be what you wrote above.
You know them better than I do, so you probably are right.
| |
| Rosepetal 2006-08-22, 2:24 am |
| Thank you Erwin for not falsly advertising that you like to belittle
others when they have not done anything to you. I think the point that
Ilya was trying to make did not involve a request for demonstrations.
Erwin Hessle wrote:
> Mirelle wrote:
>
> Call me old fashioned, but it's traditional to use <snip> only when you
> actually snip something.
>
> Stop me if I'm getting too technical for you.
>
>
> Your stupidity surely knows no bounds, although I'm sure you already
> know that from your "extra ordinary perception", right?
>
> Erwin Hessle, 8=3
| |
| Rosepetal 2006-08-22, 2:24 am |
|
Erwin Hessle wrote:
> Brett wrote:
>
> I don't want to save them. Usenet is for fun.
Narcissism is destructive and pointless
>
Gathering the information you are providing, I do not see how you
qualify as someone any of these members need to prove their self
development to.
[vbcol=seagreen]
>
lol - if you were a bit more focused on "self", you would have noticed
that your posts contain errors too.
goodness me, you must feel so "big" after posting that
> You can tell these self-deluded nutjobs by the fact that, whatever is
> going on in their lives, it's always someone else's fault. The idea
> that they can interact with their environment on their own terms simpy
> doesn't enter their heads.
If your life was "happy", i dont believe that you would *feel* the need
to post these comments. What ever goals are involved, I am sure that
they are superficial.
>
"The lack of insight is simply staggering. It's a mystery to me,
frankly, how they manage to get themselves out of bed."
Perhaps these words are meant for you.
> Erwin Hessle, 8=3
I m sure that you might have better responses if you *really* took time
out to think about what is being posted.
| |
| Erwin Hessle 2006-08-22, 8:26 am |
|
Rosepetal wrote:
> Thank you Erwin for not falsly advertising that you like to belittle
> others when they have not done anything to you. I think the point that
> Ilya was trying to make did not involve a request for demonstrations.
Hi Rose.
Please go and cry to someone who gives a shit.
Erwin Hessle, 8=3
| |
| Erwin Hessle 2006-08-22, 8:26 am |
|
Rosepetal wrote:
> Erwin Hessle wrote:
>
> Narcissism is destructive and pointless
Feel free to stop listening to the sound of your own voice and shut up,
then.
Erwin Hessle, 8=3
| |
| ilya_shambat2004@yahoo.com 2006-08-22, 4:28 pm |
| She ain't cryin she tellin it like it is dawg.
As for you, she is right. You demonstrate what I've said more and more
with each post
Erwin Hessle wrote:
> Rosepetal wrote:
>
> Hi Rose.
>
> Please go and cry to someone who gives a shit.
>
> Erwin Hessle, 8=3
| |
| ilya_shambat2004@yahoo.com 2006-08-22, 4:28 pm |
| Erwin Hessle wrote:
> I find it ironic that you of all people are pretending to know
> something. What's your point?
Read the OP.
| |
| ilya_shambat2004@yahoo.com 2006-08-22, 4:28 pm |
| Dude, you just mixed up my post with somebody else's. That's rather
uninsightful of you.
Brett wrote:
> On 19 Aug 2006 14:48:55 -0700, ilya_shambat2004@yahoo.com muttered
> intensely:
>
>
> You are too damaged to have any real insight, Ilya. It's all paved
> over with fear and shame.
>
> Try looking outside the "crack in the door" at what is really going
> on.
>
>
> So she feels shame at the innocent act of hurting someone's feelings
> without knowing it.
>
> No matter what you do, someone will always take offense. No matter
> how innocent or sincere, the most damaged will always read evil into
> it, just as you are doing.
>
> You can't live your life in fear of these types, nor can you bow down
> in shame and guilt for hurting their feelings. They WANT you to hurt
> their feelings, because it gives them comfort, sympathy, and most of
> all, power over YOU - especially if you give in to that shame.
>
>
> Everyone wants power and control, if only of themselves, even the
> person who wrote this. That's why she accuses Erwin of being a
> control freak, so as to give herself power in anger.
>
> Go back to the original sentence there.
>
> "I've always dealt with this, though. Have you?"
>
> Yes. Everybody who has ever lived has had to deal with it.
>
> Deal with it.
>
> Lose the shame, guilt and posturing.
>
> Stop being wounded by it.
| |
| ilya_shambat2004@yahoo.com 2006-08-22, 4:28 pm |
|
Erwin Hessle wrote:
>
> No, you use it to post completely pointless, meandering, meaningless
> toss. You are one of the biggest trolls on this newsgroup.
Toss? You from UK?
>
> See, you *can* correctly identify words. Now you can begin to work on
> understanding sentences.
Lead by example. You just referred to my work as pointless and
meaningless. This shows lack of reading comprehension.
Now look at what I've written, read it, and compose a meaningful reply.
> No, the post that started this thread was a complete bunch of
> self-pitying, self-righteous, moralistic pile of shit.
Self-righteous and moralistic is right. I hate those f*ckers, and I
want to tear up their con so that people don't fall for it.
> The delusions
> you are attempting to spread are directly responsible for the
> unhappiness you claim you are trying to alleviate.
Prove it.
If anyone is selling
> a deceitful, misleading, harmful and pernicious con here, it's you.
I'm exposing a nasty cultural pattern. That's called doing social
service, and doing service especially to the people who stand to fall
for that pattern.
>
> You didn't have a point. That's all in your imagination. This is
> precisely what happens when you pretend to know something.
You don't have a response. That's all in your imagination. This is
precisely what happens when you pretend to know something.
>
> Said the blind and insincere troll.
I'm as sincere as sincere gets, scoundrel.
As for being blind, no. This is something that goes on all over the
place, and many people are subject to it.
| |
| ilya_shambat2004@yahoo.com 2006-08-22, 4:28 pm |
| Erwin Hessle wrote:
> Rosepetal wrote:
>
> Feel free to stop listening to the sound of your own voice and shut up,
> then.
Said the nasty malignant stupid loudmouth jerk.
| |
| ilya_shambat2004@yahoo.com 2006-08-22, 4:28 pm |
|
Erwin Hessle wrote:
> ilya_shambat2004@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> You are a total loon.
You gotta do better than that.
>
> Yes, you are oblivious to the social dynamics that have been explained
> clearly to you.
You have no insight whatsoever. That means that you don't have
responsibility.
| |
| ilya_shambat2004@yahoo.com 2006-08-22, 4:28 pm |
|
Erwin Hessle wrote:
> See?
Yes, I see.
I see that and more.
Such as, that you are a complete jerk and want to disrupt whenever
there is sincerity.
Proving once again my point.
| |
| Erwin Hessle 2006-08-22, 4:28 pm |
|
ilya_shambat2004@yahoo.com wrote:
> Erwin Hessle wrote:
>
> Toss? You from UK?
What's it to you?
>
> Lead by example. You just referred to my work as pointless and
> meaningless.
Correct.
> This shows lack of reading comprehension.
No, it shows your "work" is pointless and meaningless.
> Now look at what I've written, read it, and compose a meaningful reply.
I did, you are just pretending that I didn't so you don't have to deal
with it.
>
> Self-righteous and moralistic is right. I hate those f*ckers, and I
> want to tear up their con so that people don't fall for it.
And here you admit that you have nothing to contribute except lies,
misinformation and hate. Like I said.
>
> Prove it.
Already did.
> If anyone is selling
>
> I'm exposing a nasty cultural pattern.
No, that's what *I* am doing my exposing your motives.
> That's called doing social
> service, and doing service especially to the people who stand to fall
> for that pattern.
No, its called selling a miserable lie.
>
> You don't have a response. That's all in your imagination. This is
> precisely what happens when you pretend to know something.
See? All you can do is copy me, now. Your position has no substance.
>
> I'm as sincere as sincere gets, scoundrel.
Insincere as it gets, yes.
> As for being blind, no. This is something that goes on all over the
> place, and many people are subject to it.
That's just your blindness talking.
Erwin Hessle, 8=3
| |
|
| On 22 Aug 2006 06:50:25 -0700, ilya_shambat2004@yahoo.com muttered
intensely:
>Dude, you just mixed up my post with somebody else's. That's rather
>uninsightful of you.
Rather unobservant of you to miss that I intentionally cut-pasted
parts of that other person's post in order to explain something.
| |
| ilya_shambat2004@yahoo.com 2006-08-23, 2:27 am |
| Erwin Hessle wrote:
> ilya_shambat2004@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> What's it to you?
Sounds like something a Brit might say.
>
> No, it shows your "work" is pointless and meaningless.
Prove it.
>
> I did, you are just pretending that I didn't so you don't have to deal
> with it.
You composed nothing but a set of idiocies designed to silence the
issue.
To put it to you bluntly. No, it's not part of responsibility to take
responsibility for lies that someone else tells one.
It's part of responsibility to expose that pattern so that people don't
fall for it.
>
> And here you admit that you have nothing to contribute except lies,
> misinformation and hate.
No, I said what I said. Read for comprehension.
>
> Already did.
Sure didn't.
>
> No, that's what *I* am doing my exposing your motives.
My motives are what I say they are: To expose an evil pattern, so that
people don't fall for it.
>
> No, its called selling a miserable lie.
It's not a lie if it happens over and over and over again to different
people!
> See? All you can do is copy me, now. Your position has no substance.
Mine has tons of substance. Yours is nothing but hidden sensorship.
>
> That's just your blindness talking.
It's not blindness if it happens all over the place.
What you want to do is shove down people's throats a line that will
keep them blind to cultural patterns, and then inexplicably claim that
responsibility.
Toodles,
Ilya Shambat
http://ibshambat.blogspot.com
| |
| Erwin Hessle 2006-08-23, 8:26 am |
|
ilya_shambat2004@yahoo.com wrote:
> Erwin Hessle wrote:
>
> Sounds like something a Brit might say.
All of your posts sound like something a twat might say, what's your
point?
>
> Prove it.
Already done.
>
> You composed nothing but a set of idiocies designed to silence the
> issue.
"Prove it".
> To put it to you bluntly. No, it's not part of responsibility to take
> responsibility for lies that someone else tells one.
>
> It's part of responsibility to expose that pattern so that people don't
> fall for it.
See? Your "work" is pointless and meaningless, not to mention idiotic,
rambling and laughably inaccurate. You seem to believe the universe
works according to your insane morality. It doesn't.
>
> No, I said what I said. Read for comprehension.
No, you said what I said. Read for comprehension.
>
> Sure didn't.
Transparent denial.
>
> My motives are what I say they are: To expose an evil pattern, so that
> people don't fall for it.
No, you're motives are what I say they are, to con people into
subscribing to your twisted and destructive brand of morality.
>
> It's not a lie if it happens over and over and over again to different
> people!
It doesn't, you are just selling the miserable lie that it does.
>
> Mine has tons of substance. Yours is nothing but hidden sensorship.
You are the one promoting the restriction and censorship of action
through the acceptance of your twisted and destructive morals.
>
> It's not blindness if it happens all over the place.
It doesn't, you are just selling the miserable lie that it does.
> What you want to do is shove down people's throats a line that will
> keep them blind to cultural patterns, and then inexplicably claim that
> responsibility.
No, that's what you are doing.
Erwin Hessle, 8=3
| |
| ilya_shambat2004@yahoo.com 2006-08-23, 4:29 pm |
|
Erwin Hessle wrote:
> ilya_shambat2004@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> All of your posts sound like something a twat might say, what's your
> point?
I have no ill will to British people. You have ill will toward me.
>
>
> Already done.
Sure haven't.
>
> "Prove it".
You went out claiming that the problem is people failing to take
responsibility. I say that it is not part of responsibility to take
responsibility for evil cultural patterns, and that it is part of
responsibility instead to expose them.
>
> See? Your "work" is pointless and meaningless, not to mention idiotic,
> rambling and laughably inaccurate. You seem to believe the universe
> works according to your insane morality. It doesn't.
I say that any part of the civilization works according to whatever
insane ideology is in it. And while we are at it - since people
throughout history (and now) believe completely different and mutually
exclusive things, even if one was right that means that almost everyone
in history has been wrong.
Which means that you are far more likely to be insane than to be sane,
and it shows.
>
> No, you're motives are what I say they are, to con people into
> subscribing to your twisted and destructive brand of morality.
Yours is far more so.
>
> It doesn't, you are just selling the miserable lie that it does.
Yes it does. Yes it does.
>
> You are the one promoting the restriction and censorship of action
> through the acceptance of your twisted and destructive morals.
I promote transparency and overcoming evil social patterns.
>
> It doesn't, you are just selling the miserable lie that it does.
OK you sack of sh*t. <PLONK>
| |
| Erwin Hessle 2006-08-23, 4:29 pm |
|
ilya_shambat2...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Erwin Hessle wrote:
>
> I have no ill will to British people. You have ill will toward me.
See what I mean? You see conspiracy and paranoia everywhere. This is
what happens when people accept the lies you are peddling.
I don't even XXXXing know you.
I think that you are a total XXXXing dumb cunt, that you can't see past
your own nose, and that you appear to be deliberately trying to peddle
misinformation and destructive lies, yes, but this is hardly "ill
will".
When I said you were a loon, I wasn't joking.
>
> Sure haven't.
Prove it.
>
> You went out claiming that the problem is people failing to take
> responsibility. I say that it is not part of responsibility to take
> responsibility for evil cultural patterns, and that it is part of
> responsibility instead to expose them.
And this proves what, exactly?
>
> I say that any part of the civilization works according to whatever
> insane ideology is in it. And while we are at it - since people
> throughout history (and now) believe completely different and mutually
> exclusive things, even if one was right that means that almost everyone
> in history has been wrong.
>
> Which means that you are far more likely to be insane than to be sane,
> and it shows.
No, it means if you believe in the objective existence of morality,
then you're a cunt.
What part of this is so hard for you to understand?
>
> Yours is far more so.
Takes one to know one.
>
> Yes it does. Yes it does.
No, it doesn't, liar.
>
> I promote transparency and overcoming evil social patterns.
No, you promote misery and self-inflicted servitude to arbitrary and
insane notions of morality.
>
> OK you sack of sh*t. <PLONK>
Yeah, I'm sure you don't like people pointing out what an utter
miserable lie you are selling to further your bizarre and twisted moral
agenda.
Erwin Hessle, 8=3
| |
| enialle@punkass.com 2006-08-23, 4:29 pm |
|
ilya_shambat2004@yahoo.com wrote:
> Brett wrote:
> Mirelle said that she worked as a mediator for 36 years. One does not
> work as a mediator for 36 years without thinking or taking
> responsibility or not seeing other people as EVIL.
>
>
I took a course in mediation led by attorneys and I can tell you
WITHOUT A DOUBTany mediator who takes sides or who precieves one
person better then another is a bad mediator.They must be nuetral at
all times otherwise they fail at mediating.
I doubt mirelle believes such a thing even though you seem to be
speaking for her.
| |
| William Blake Jr. 2006-08-23, 9:31 pm |
|
enialle@punkass.com wrote:
> ilya_shambat2004@yahoo.com wrote:
> I took a course in mediation led by attorneys and I can tell you
> WITHOUT A DOUBTany mediator who takes sides or who precieves one
> person better then another is a bad mediator.They must be nuetral at
> all times otherwise they fail at mediating.
>
> I doubt mirelle believes such a thing even though you seem to be
> speaking for her.
I'm only addressing Erwin's claim that she is a lunatic who doesn't
take responsibility or think and sees other people as evil. What I said
was that one doesn't work as a mediator for 36 years while having such
an attitude.
| |
| Erwin Hessle 2006-08-23, 9:31 pm |
|
William Blake Jr. wrote:
> enialle@punkass.com wrote:
>
> I'm only addressing Erwin's claim that she is a lunatic who doesn't
> take responsibility or think and sees other people as evil. What I said
> was that one doesn't work as a mediator for 36 years while having such
> an attitude.
More abject stupidity from you.
First you say that "one does not work as a mediator for 36 years
without....seeing other people as EVIL" and then you say you are
arguing against some claim of mine on the grounds that one doesn't work
as a mediator for 36 years whilst having such an attitude that other
people are EVIL.
So, apparently, you cannot work as a mediator for 36 years without
seeing other people as EVIL, but at the same time you cannot see other
people as evil if you work as a mediator for 36 years.
Do you have even the first idea what you are saying?
Erwin Hessle, 8=3
| |
| Rosepetal 2006-08-23, 9:31 pm |
|
Erwin Hessle wrote:
> Rosepetal wrote:
>
> Hi Rose.
>
> Please go and cry to someone who gives a shit.
>
language! If you feel like crying - its ok. Dont you think that
anyone cares about you?
> DErwin Hassle, 8=3
| |
| Rosepetal 2006-08-23, 9:31 pm |
|
Erwin Hessle wrote:
> Rosepetal wrote:
>
> Feel free to stop listening to the sound of your own voice and shut up,
> then.
>
> Erwin Hessle, 8=3
you hear voices - thats terrible. What are they saying to you? Are
they telling you to stop posting nasty comments - how dare they! Poor
poor Erwin
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| Erwin Hessle 2006-08-23, 9:31 pm |
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Rosepetal wrote:
> Erwin Hessle wrote:
> you hear voices - thats terrible. What are they saying to you? Are
> they telling you to stop posting nasty comments - how dare they! Poor
> poor Erwin
Back to the kitchen with you!
Erwin Hessle, 8=3
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| Erwin Hessle 2006-08-23, 9:31 pm |
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Rosepetal wrote:
> Erwin Hessle wrote:
> language!
Well done! I do indeed employ language in my Usenet postings.
Here's a golden star for your observation skills.
Now go bake a cake.
Erwin Hessle, 8=3
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| Rosepetal 2006-08-23, 9:31 pm |
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Erwin Hessle wrote:
> Rosepetal wrote:
>
> Back to the kitchen with you!
>
> dErwin Hassle, 8=3
In your dreams
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| Erwin Hessle 2006-08-23, 9:31 pm |
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Rosepetal wrote:
> Erwin Hessle wrote:
>
> In your dreams
Ah, dreaming about me already?
Never mind, eh?
Erwin Hessle, 8=3
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| Rosepetal 2006-08-23, 9:31 pm |
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Erwin Hessle wrote:
> Rosepetal wrote:
>
> Well done! I do indeed employ language in my Usenet postings.
>
> Here's a golden star for your observation skills.
>
> Now go bake a cake.
>
> Erwin Hessle, 8=3
Why because, no one will do that for you? Poor poor Derwin
hassle....Stay tuned to find out if Derwin will ever find the love of
his life by practicing the sort of vindictiveness.
Waiting
nope! still waiting....
year 3000, nope still waiting...
year 4000 nope still waiting(And he still hasn't got that cake)
End of the world_poor Erwin never got his cake or a girlfriend.
Although a girl actually threw a cake at him.
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| Rosepetal 2006-08-23, 9:31 pm |
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Erwin Hessle wrote:
> Rosepetal wrote:
>
> Ah, dreaming about me already?
>
> Never mind, eh?
>
Thats not dreaming, thats a nighmare
> Erwin Hessle, 8=3
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| Erwin Hessle 2006-08-23, 9:31 pm |
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Rosepetal wrote:
> Erwin Hessle wrote:
> Why because, no one will do that for you? Poor poor Derwin
> hassle....Stay tuned to find out if Derwin will ever find the love of
> his life by practicing the sort of vindictiveness.
>
> Waiting
>
>
>
> nope! still waiting....
>
>
>
> year 3000, nope still waiting...
>
>
>
> year 4000 nope still waiting(And he still hasn't got that cake)
>
>
>
>
> End of the world_poor Erwin never got his cake or a girlfriend.
> Although a girl actually threw a cake at him.
Or maybe you can do some knitting instead.
Erwin Hessle, 8=3
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| Erwin Hessle 2006-08-23, 9:31 pm |
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Rosepetal wrote:
> Erwin Hessle wrote:
> Thats not dreaming, thats a nighmare
Having nightmares already?
I'd stick to cooking, if I were you, it's easier on your little brain.
Erwin Hessle, 8=3
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| Rosepetal 2006-08-23, 9:31 pm |
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Erwin Hessle wrote:
> Rosepetal wrote:
>
> Or maybe you can do some knitting instead.
>
> Erwin Hessle, 8=3
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| Erwin Hessle 2006-08-23, 9:31 pm |
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Rosepetal wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
> Erwin Hessle wrote:
You've got it - women should be seen and not heard.
Nice one.
Erwin Hessle, 8=3
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| Rosepetal 2006-08-23, 9:31 pm |
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Erwin Hessle wrote:
> Rosepetal wrote:
>
> Having nightmares already?
>
> I'd stick to cooking, if I were you, it's easier on your little brain.
>
> Erwin Hessle, 8=3
How is your mother derwin? still cooking and cleaning after you. You
do realise that women today dont find this sought of behaviour
attractive.
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| Erwin Hessle 2006-08-23, 9:31 pm |
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Rosepetal wrote:
> Erwin Hessle wrote:
>
> How is your mother derwin? still cooking and cleaning after you. You
> do realise that women today dont find this sought of behaviour
> attractive.
They don't care as long as you keep them in shoes and chocolate.
Erwin Hessle, 8=3
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| Rosepetal 2006-08-23, 9:31 pm |
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Erwin Hessle wrote:
> Rosepetal wrote:
>
> You've got it - women should be seen and not heard.
>
> Nice one.
>
> Erwin Hessle, 8=3
Then your preference must be for men. Good luck trying to get them to
mother you.
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| Erwin Hessle 2006-08-23, 9:31 pm |
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Rosepetal wrote:
> Erwin Hessle wrote:
>
> Then your preference must be for men. Good luck trying to get them to
> mother you.
Lesbian, are you?
Erwin Hessle, 8=3
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| Rosepetal 2006-08-23, 9:31 pm |
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Erwin Hessle wrote:
> Rosepetal wrote:
>
> They don't care as long as you keep them in shoes and chocolate.
>
> Erwin Hessle, 8=3
So you can get them fat enought to squash you? hmm there was much
thought put into that one.
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| Erwin Hessle 2006-08-23, 9:31 pm |
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Rosepetal wrote:
> Erwin Hessle wrote:
>
> So you can get them fat enought to squash you? hmm there was much
> thought put into that one.
Well someone has to think for them.
Erwin Hessle, 8=3
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| Rosepetal 2006-08-23, 9:31 pm |
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Erwin Hessle wrote:
> Rosepetal wrote:
>
> Lesbian, are you?
>
> Erwin Hessle, 8=3
I m not here to forfill your erotic pleasures, I have a hard enough
time going out without having every man make a pass at me, let alone
creeps on the internet.
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| Erwin Hessle 2006-08-23, 9:31 pm |
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Rosepetal wrote:
> Erwin Hessle wrote:
> I m not here to forfill your erotic pleasures, I have a hard enough
> time going out without having every man make a pass at me, let alone
> creeps on the internet.
Sure, deny it, if you like.
Erwin Hessle, 8=3
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| Meltdarok 2006-08-23, 9:31 pm |
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"Erwin Hessle" <erwin@erwinhessle.com> wrote in message
news:1156381117.801700.94890@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> Rosepetal wrote:
>
Wooooooooo! Good one there! +CLAP+CLAP+
> Lesbian, are you?
>
Nuh-uh Erwin, got you there mate!
Try again to draw from your *deep* well of wit.
> Erwin Hessle, 8=3
>
--
meltdarok
http://hometown.aol.com/meltdarok/
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Rosepetal wrote:
>
> Then your preference must be for men. Good luck trying to get them to
> mother you.
WTF? WTF times two. You think all women mother the people they date?
And that no men have the ability or desire to mother another person?
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| Rosifer 2006-08-24, 2:27 am |
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ilya_shambat2004@yahoo.com wrote:
> Brett wrote:
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> Mirelle said that she worked as a mediator for 36 years.
No, she didn't.
Read what she did say.
> One does not work as a mediator for 36 years without thinking or taking
> responsibility or not seeing other people as EVIL.
Why not? What is it exactly that prevents them from doing so?
(Remember that you aren't a good judge of how a mediator should or
shouldn't act.)
And is this rule also true of *meditators* of 36 years?
Rosifer
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Meltdarok wrote:
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> "Erwin Hessle" <erwin@erwinhessle.com> wrote in message
> news:1156381117.801700.94890@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
How about "G3" Alpha Beta, the "Word.
But Sidthes are self centered and do not share the Line of the Sithe/Sith, the
"Line which defines and separates the Circle from itself.
That which may not choose Sidthes.
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| enialle@punkass.com 2006-08-27, 9:25 pm |
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Meltdarok wrote:
> "Erwin Hessle" <erwin@erwinhessle.com> wrote in message
> news:1156381117.801700.94890@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> Wooooooooo! Good one there! +CLAP+CLAP+
>
>
> Nuh-uh Erwin, got you there mate!
> Try again to draw from your *deep* well of wit.
>
> are you *seriously* implying Rospetal's response are witty? LOL
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| Meltdarok 2006-08-27, 9:25 pm |
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<enialle@punkass.com> wrote in message
news:1156719438.611652.308670@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
>
> Meltdarok wrote:
>
Her comments were much sharper than a wet noodle. Heh.
--
meltdarok
http://hometown.aol.com/meltdarok/
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| jotnaringin@yahoo.com 2006-08-28, 2:25 am |
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Meltdarok wrote:
These posts have been WAY OFF TOPIC for dozens of posts !
"I have written on all kinds of issues, and now I'm writing about
a problem I've seen in more cases than I can count.
The problem is that of false advertising in relationships and the
culture of insincerity that results.
The perpetrator presents a genial front and acts nice to everyone.
Then when he has found the woman, and she is his, he turns into a
monster. The people cannot believe that he does the things that he
does, because according to the impression he gives to them he is a
nice person. And the person against whom the perpetrator commits his
abominations is blamed for all things that result, and is attacked
even further if she tries to leave the perpetrator.
In business, advertising as one thing while having a completely
different product is known as false advertisement. It is a crime,
and one that is severely punished. But in relationships there is no
clause about false advertising. Instead, the person at the receiving
end of the abominations is blamed for all things, and is blamed even
further if she tries to go on her own.
This of course results in tremendous ongoing hypocrisy and
insincerity. And it is a hypocrisy and insincerity that requires for
its perpetuation a destruction of sincerity wherever it can be
found. Thus, the sincere woman is entrapped; the sincere man is seen
as being fundamentally criminal. And it is through this attack on
sincerity that the culture of false advertising and insincerity goes
on.
Insincerity, for its continuation, requires further destruction of
sincerity wherever it can be found. Thus, any true feeling, any
true idea, any true existence, comes under vicious attack. And the
result is a putrid swamp of falsehood and viciousness and hypocrisy
that ensnares all the living. And then this swamp claims for itself
the sanction of religion or of morality.
For this abomination to end, it becomes requisite to see all false
advertising for what it is, and to instead demand truthful portrayal
of self, of feeling, and of attitude. And then one more obstacle to
sincerity, passion and excellence will be removed, and it will be
more possible for more people to live truly.
Ilya Shambat
http://ibshambat.blogspot.com "
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> <enialle@punkass.com> wrote in message
> news:1156719438.611652.308670@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
>
> Her comments were much sharper than a wet noodle. Heh.
>
> --
> meltdarok
> http://hometown.aol.com/meltdarok/
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| Mirelle 2006-08-29, 2:33 am |
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ilya_shambat2004@yahoo.com wrote:
> Brett wrote:
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[vbcol=seagreen]
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> Mirelle said that she worked as a mediator for 36 years. One does not
> work as a mediator for 36 years without thinking or taking
> responsibility or not seeing other people as EVIL.
People have Free Will and therefore have the choice of thinking, saying
and doing Evil Things.
There is a price to be paid for the choice of Evil.
Spiritual Bankruptcy.
However the price is not contained to the person choosing to do, think
and say Evil things. Tragically it Victimizes the innocent !
However I believe there is a Higher Power that sees all things.
And That Higher Power will come into the heart of sincere seekers and
to persons with sincere prayers.
Even if the suffering is not alleviated. The heart can be filled with
Divine Comfort.
> Perhaps you mean, think your way? When your way includes obvious
> oblivion to the social dynamics of the kind that are being made
> apparent in this thread?
Transparent !
> There is no such thing as responsibility without knowledge. And
> knowledge includes knowledge of social dynamics, to which you are
> obviously oblivious.
Ain't that the Truth !
> So then let's see this for what it is: You don't want to think; you
> don't want to do what is necessary to take responsibility; and then you
> talk about not saving people from themselves.
Behind every Bully is a Coward !
> Wow. My case keeps growing and growing.
[vbcol=seagreen]
> I did not see her having any such delusions.
I am sane.
He is not !
> What I see in you, however, is determined blindness to forces that are
> instrumental toward making the world in which we live -
He is not blind.
He is mean spirited by choice.
Getting his jollys' from 'flaming' others on Usenet !
> - and desire to protect that blindness at any cost.
Probably jacks off after 'flaming' a person !
> Anything else you want to know?
He does not want to know anything.
Narcissism is a disease that is circular.
It has no capacity for self reflection and listening to others.
> Cheers,
I say:
To the Troll Bin for him !
> Ilya Shambat
> http://ibshambat.blogspot.com
Mirelle
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| Mirelle 2006-08-29, 2:33 am |
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ilya_shambat2004@yahoo.com wrote:
Beautiful !
Mirelle
<snip>
> LauraM wrote:
>
> The Sunflower and the Butterfly
>
> A Children's Story
>
> The rain was pouring in sheets, and lightning struck the ground from
> the sky. It was November in Illinois, storm season. A fresh gust of
> wind from the North picked up a sunflower seed that lay on the road and
> carried it to the edge of a field. The sunflower seed fell on the
> ground and stayed there through the winter.
>
> In the spring the farmer was planting corn and came across the first
> tender shoots. He rolled over them with his plow. "This no-good weed,"
> he mumbled, "takes the soil away from good crops." Then he continued
> planting corn seeds.
>
> The sunflower seed survived and kept growing. One day the farmer's son
> was playing in the field and came across the young plant. He said,
> "What is this stupid weed doing here?" He struck at it with a stick and
> tore off three leaves. But the sunflower continued to grow.
>
> One day a butterfly was flying around in the cornfield and found the
> young plant. The sunflower asked the butterfly, "Why am I here?
> Everyone says I am no good and keeps trying to kill me. If I am no
> good, then why was I ever born?"
>
> The butterfly hovered gently over the delicate leaves and said, "You
> are a sunflower. You are in a corn field. The people here think you're
> no good because they are growing corn, and they think you're a weed.
> But a hundred yards from here, along the road, there are hundreds of
> sunflowers. They line the road and the drivers think they're very
> beautiful."
>
> The sunflower asked, "Why am I here, where nobody wants me? Did other
> sunflowers hate me?" The butterfly swept her wings around and said,
> "You are lucky to be here. The other sunflowers get plucked and sold as
> food. Here, you could grow up. Count your blessings."
>
> And the sunflower praised God and grew up to be as tall as the corn.
> When the farmer and his son saw it again, they marveled at it. "It must
> be a sturdy weed," the farmer said, "to have grown this tall under such
> conditions. We're not gonna touch it again." So they left it alone.
>
> When August came, the sunflower was in full bloom and following the sun
> as it rose in the morning and went down at night. A butterfly came
> again and said, "See? Now you're all grown. Do you like yourself now?"
> "I don't know," said the sunflower. "You are beautiful," said the
> butterfly to the sunflower. "You are beautiful," said the sunflower to
> the butterfly. And the butterfly pollinated the sunflower.
>
> The farmer's wife and daughter were walking in the field. The little
> girl said, "Look, it's a sunflower!" "Yes, dear," said her mother,
> "it's a sunflower. And it grew in a corn field even though your daddy
> tried to kill all the weeds. It must be a very special sunflower."
> "Let's pluck it for good luck," insisted the girl. "No dear," said her
> mother, "it must have been blessed to survive what it did. Kiss its
> leaves for good luck and then leave it alone."
>
> The next night, while the mother was sleeping, the little girl went out
> into the field and plucked the sunflower. She put it in a vase. When
> next morning her mother found the sunflower in the little girl's room,
> she got angry. She said, "This plant survives storms, winter and your
> dad's plow, and you kill it. Are there not enough sunflowers along the
> road, that you had to kill something so precious?"
>
> The girl cried and became afraid. She said to her mother, "I will be
> forgiven, right? I am a good girl, right?" The mother looked at her and
> said, "You have to ask for forgiveness, and you have to pray."
>
> The girl came up to the sunflower and said, "I am sorry." Then she
> prayed that the sunflower live on.
>
> The farmer saw the sunflower in his daughter's room and said, "It is
> not by accident that this plant lived while we were trying to kill all
> the weeds. Perhaps it is trying to tell us something. I'll build a plot
> next to the corn fields where we'll be raising sunflowers." And he
> cracked the plant, he took out the seeds from it and put them in little
> bag to grow the next spring.
>
> As he was plucking out the seeds, from the sunflower emerged a
> beautiful butterfly. She flew away and found her friend. And together
> they went on spreading her blessings and knowledge to all the flowers
> that lived in the surrounding fields.
>
> Ilya Shambat
> http://ibshambat.blogspot.com
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| Mirelle 2006-08-29, 2:33 am |
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enialle@punkass.com wrote:
> ilya_shambat2004@yahoo.com wrote:
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True.
[vbcol=seagreen]
> I took a course in mediation led by attorneys and I can tell you
> WITHOUT A DOUBTany mediator who takes sides or who precieves one
> person better then another is a bad mediator.They must be nuetral at
> all times otherwise they fail at mediating.
Detachment and neutrality are two different things !
The whole of The Bhagavadgita has Krishna dialoging with a disciple
about killing in a situation of Evil.
The action must be done without NO ILL WILL.
This is Detachment when the actions are not re-actions.
> I doubt mirelle believes such a thing even though you seem to be
> speaking for her.
There is Ultimate Reality.
And there is Conventional Reality.
In Ultimate Reality there is no Evil.
As can be seen from studying an Atom.
An atom has no Evil.
Since all Matter is constructed of Atoms, on that level there is no
Evil.
In Conventional Reality.
There is Evil.
If a person does not know how to differentiate.
Between Ultimate Reality and Conventional reality.
They will become mentally ill.
The way of the Tao:
Is to see BOTH !
Mirelle
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