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| LauraM 2006-08-17, 4:27 pm |
| Hi all - I'm new to the group and am enjoying reading a lot of the
posts. All my life I've dealt with impatience. I truly believe that
my impatience has been the cause of several chronic conditions, both
physical and emotional. On the physical side, I've had a lot of
surgeries and problems with my body which emotionally I attribute to
the fact that I'm not patient, and/or content with myself. I have a
lot of nervous energy.
A few months ago, I started a yoga program at home using Rodney Lee's
"8 Weeks of Yoga". (Prior to that i had done Richard Hittleman's
28-day program.) I'm working through so much tension in my body which
definitely seems to connect with my emotions. I was reading a post
about emotions and yoga and it was very interesting to me. It's
amazing how through the intent and patience to do a pose, that
eventually I become more proficient at it. Just to be in the moment
and not worry about anything else is a huge challenge for me. I truly
feel that this is my life lesson. Patience.
Just thought I'd share my initial views of how yoga is benefitting me.
I have a room in my house dedicated to my practice and look forward to
my hour of yoga every morning. I'll be continuing to read the group
here as I find it very helpful and informative.
I am not alone!
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| Wade Humeniuk 2006-08-18, 2:26 am |
| What kind of surgeries? Surgery can emotionally effect many people.
Its also important to remember that physical problems can cause
emotional/mental ones. (its not just the other way around)
Wade
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| LauraM 2006-08-18, 4:27 pm |
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Wade Humeniuk wrote:
> What kind of surgeries? Surgery can emotionally effect many people.
> Its also important to remember that physical problems can cause
> emotional/mental ones. (its not just the other way around)
>
> Wade
Hi Wade - I do believe some of my physical problems are causing my
emotional problems. But deep down, I believe I can change that
one-way street with certain issues. Can't we change our emotions and
insides so much that it helps our physical state? It seems yoga helps
me with that issue. Not that it's an end-all-be-all cure, of course,
but it does seem to help.
I had a Laminoplasty on C4-7 (neck) two years ago to help with stenosis
and a herniated disc, but have been dealing with extreme stenosis in my
neck for 12 years now. Very limiting. Can't do a lot of the things I
used to. I've had about of cortizone shots (epidurals) in my neck
prior to the surgery. Then, on top of it all I've had two knee
surgeries and have a weird eczema now which I'm being seen at UCSF by
the lead dermatologist. Then, on top of all THAT, my lower back is
acting up.
Before all my surgeries I was working out 2 hours a day and in great
shape. Now I struggle to do any sort of aerobic exercise. All through
my life I've dealt with my emotions, insecurities and the feeling of
abandonment in my childhood. It just seems like I wasn't surprised
when I ended up with all these physical problems.
So my question is, why does one get all these problems? Is there a
spiritual growth reason? I think so. I think this is all telling me I
need to get in touch with myself. Hence, the yoga is one piece.
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| howdydave 2006-08-18, 4:27 pm |
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LauraM wrote:
> Wade Humeniuk wrote:
>
> Hi Wade - I do believe some of my physical problems are causing my
> emotional problems. But deep down, I believe I can change that
> one-way street with certain issues. Can't we change our emotions and
> insides so much that it helps our physical state? It seems yoga helps
> me with that issue. Not that it's an end-all-be-all cure, of course,
> but it does seem to help.
>
> I had a Laminoplasty on C4-7 (neck) two years ago to help with stenosis
> and a herniated disc, but have been dealing with extreme stenosis in my
> neck for 12 years now. Very limiting. Can't do a lot of the things I
> used to. I've had about of cortizone shots (epidurals) in my neck
> prior to the surgery. Then, on top of it all I've had two knee
> surgeries and have a weird eczema now which I'm being seen at UCSF by
> the lead dermatologist. Then, on top of all THAT, my lower back is
> acting up.
>
> Before all my surgeries I was working out 2 hours a day and in great
> shape. Now I struggle to do any sort of aerobic exercise. All through
> my life I've dealt with my emotions, insecurities and the feeling of
> abandonment in my childhood. It just seems like I wasn't surprised
> when I ended up with all these physical problems.
>
> So my question is, why does one get all these problems? Is there a
> spiritual growth reason? I think so. I think this is all telling me I
> need to get in touch with myself. Hence, the yoga is one piece.
Howdy Laura!
Yoga may be able to tweak your perspective a bit.
For example, you may eventually no longer consider them
to be "problems" rather "some of those little things that
make me unique!"
Dave
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| LauraM 2006-08-18, 4:27 pm |
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howdydave wrote:
> Howdy Laura!
>
> Yoga may be able to tweak your perspective a bit.
>
> For example, you may eventually no longer consider them
> to be "problems" rather "some of those little things that
> make me unique!"
>
> Dave
Howdy Dave! Love your handle!
I've tried thinking the way you describe. For some reason that either
hasn't clicked or isn't something that fits with me psychologically.
Maybe I'm too serious, but I like to think of *them* as issues to work
on. Life lessons. Either way, I know yoga is helping me. And doing
it at home allows me to take my time and do what I can instead of
trying to keep up with an instructor. I get more out of it this way.
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| On 2006-08-18 08:08:53 -0700, "LauraM" <fingerson88@aol.com> said:
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> Wade Humeniuk wrote:
>
> Hi Wade - I do believe some of my physical problems are causing my
> emotional problems. But deep down, I believe I can change that
> one-way street with certain issues. Can't we change our emotions and
> insides so much that it helps our physical state? It seems yoga helps
> me with that issue. Not that it's an end-all-be-all cure, of course,
> but it does seem to help.
>
> I had a Laminoplasty on C4-7 (neck) two years ago to help with stenosis
> and a herniated disc, but have been dealing with extreme stenosis in my
> neck for 12 years now. Very limiting. Can't do a lot of the things I
> used to. I've had about of cortizone shots (epidurals) in my neck
> prior to the surgery. Then, on top of it all I've had two knee
> surgeries and have a weird eczema now which I'm being seen at UCSF by
> the lead dermatologist. Then, on top of all THAT, my lower back is
> acting up.
>
> Before all my surgeries I was working out 2 hours a day and in great
> shape. Now I struggle to do any sort of aerobic exercise. All through
> my life I've dealt with my emotions, insecurities and the feeling of
> abandonment in my childhood. It just seems like I wasn't surprised
> when I ended up with all these physical problems.
>
> So my question is, why does one get all these problems?
All the fluids in your body move through the neck channels. You have
an injury. This means you are not efficiently moving blood (nutrients)
and Polypeptides (informational substances like hormones and
neurotransmitters).
> Is there a
> spiritual growth reason?
Yoga asanas are about opening channels, increasing circulation,
learning to relax stresses built into the body, and allowing energy to
flow. Any improvement of oneself is by definition spiritual growth.
> I think so. I think this is all telling me I
> need to get in touch with myself. Hence, the yoga is one piece.
You live in San Francisco?
There is the most amazing teacher there. Evlaleah Howard was a dancer
who had some deliberating injuries in the 70's. She was nearly
paralyzed and went to India to study yoga under Mr. Iyengar. She had a
complete recovery after a year. For payment he requested that she take
what she learned to start her own school in the US.
I am not sure she takes regular students, she usually get referrals
from doctors. There are many teachers in the Bay Area who have been
trained by her.
She used to have a studio in the Mission, I can't find it on the WEB
but a search for "Yoga San Fransisco Evlaleah Howard" gave me plenty of
clues.
Try calling Iyengar Yoga Institute of San Francisco
http://www.iyisf.org/ (415) 753-0909 to see if they can point you to
her. Otherwise they have some excellent teachers who will be familiar
with your issues. They offer classes as well as work as a hub to
suggest other teachers closer to your home.
She will get you up and running. I can guarantee it. I won't bother
with my sad story, but lets just say I have been there, and Yoga as
taught by Iyengar trained teachers will easily give you a way out of
the pain emotionally and physically.
Tell me how this goes. I can give you other teachers in SF. Some of
the best teachers are there.
Of course if SF stands for something else perhaps I can still be of help.
--
~Stu
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| LauraM 2006-08-18, 9:25 pm |
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Stu wrote:
> Of course if SF stands for something else perhaps I can still be of help.
> --
Hi Stu -
Thanks for all the info! I don't live in SF, but yes SF stands for San
Francisco. I live inland in Danville. Maybe there's someone good out
my way like in Walnut Creek or Dublin?? Danville is in the middle of
those two towns.
I'm not sure I can afford to pay for yoga lessons right now, but boy
would I love them! I'd especially like private ones considering my
circumstances. What do you think of Rodney Lee? I'm using one of his
books. I like the photos and the way he describes the poses, plus all
the "teachings" prior to each lesson. So far they've really helped.
I'm so incredibly inflexible, especially in my hips, groin and
hamstring area. Oi! Relaxing into some of the poses is really helping
my lower back, not to mention I feel great afterward!
Thanks for listening. I appreciate it.
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| Wade Humeniuk 2006-08-19, 2:25 am |
| LauraM wrote:
>
> So my question is, why does one get all these problems? Is there a
> spiritual growth reason? I think so. I think this is all telling me I
> need to get in touch with myself. Hence, the yoga is one piece.
>
Its just the nature of reality. If you like Rodney Yee then check
out page 121-127 in his book "Yoga, the poetry of the body" (the conversation
is about The End of Suffering). The simple answer to your second question
is, No, the problem does not stem from a spiritual growth reason.
(I assume you mean Rodney _Yee_ as opposed to _Lee_ as you named
him in your previous posts)
Wade
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| omjaroo 2006-08-19, 2:25 am |
| Hi Laura,
And welcome to alt.yoga :-) I'm glad you found us!
Just a quick reply. For me lack of patience is all about fear. If I am
afraid, I can not be patient. I feel I have to do something and quick.
When I find myself being impatient, if I can manage to ask myself "what
am I afraid of?" and if I can answer honestly, the strong feeling of
impatience evaporates. And I am in a much better position to decide if
I want to act now or later :-)
Jared
o
^
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| LauraM 2006-08-19, 4:26 pm |
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Wade Humeniuk wrote:
> (I assume you mean Rodney _Yee_ as opposed to _Lee_ as you named
> him in your previous posts)
>
> Wade
Yes. I did mean Yee as opposed to Lee. I guess I shouldn't apply for
a proofreader's position, eh?
Thanks for your post. I'll check out the book and pages you mentioned.
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| On 2006-08-18 17:50:33 -0700, "LauraM" <fingerson88@aol.com> said:
>
> Stu wrote:
>
> Hi Stu -
>
> Thanks for all the info! I don't live in SF, but yes SF stands for San
> Francisco. I live inland in Danville. Maybe there's someone good out
> my way like in Walnut Creek or Dublin?? Danville is in the middle of
> those two towns.
>
> I'm not sure I can afford to pay for yoga lessons right now, but boy
> would I love them! I'd especially like private ones considering my
> circumstances. What do you think of Rodney Lee? I'm using one of his
> books. I like the photos and the way he describes the poses, plus all
> the "teachings" prior to each lesson. So far they've really helped.
> I'm so incredibly inflexible, especially in my hips, groin and
> hamstring area. Oi! Relaxing into some of the poses is really helping
> my lower back, not to mention I feel great afterward!
>
> Thanks for listening. I appreciate it.
Doesn't Rodney teach in Oakland? Classes can't be more than $15. He
is really inspiring. Most teachers will allow you to pay what you can
afford. Its an easy Bart ride. Even one 90 minute class will give you
a good start.
I had a friend who lived in Pacifica about 30 minutes south of SF. She
got together a few friends and they had a teacher come out from SF once
a week to teach. Call the Iyengar Center in SF and see if they can
accommodate you. You may even find out there is a teacher starving for
students right in your area.
--
~Stu
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| Sirgerry 2006-08-21, 4:28 pm |
| Interesting post..
I was theone asking about emotions, and now that you mention it, I am
very impatient too. The first days of Yoga I would want to bend and
twist like a 15 year practitioner. 
I've also known that I get very impatient driving or when someone cut
me in line for whatever reason. I have been observing myself, and maybe
you have noticed it too, when I'm impatient, I tense some muscles, like
my legs or shoulders, then begin to nervously tap with the foot. All
that tense muscles can't be good, so I got muscle pains for 6 months,
now I'm begging to see changes in those pains (lessening) and I hope to
become 1000% more patient also
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| LauraM 2006-08-21, 4:28 pm |
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Sirgerry wrote:
> Interesting post..
>
> I was theone asking about emotions, and now that you mention it, I am
> very impatient too. The first days of Yoga I would want to bend and
> twist like a 15 year practitioner.
>
> I've also known that I get very impatient driving or when someone cut
> me in line for whatever reason. I have been observing myself, and maybe
> you have noticed it too, when I'm impatient, I tense some muscles, like
> my legs or shoulders, then begin to nervously tap with the foot. All
> that tense muscles can't be good, so I got muscle pains for 6 months,
> now I'm begging to see changes in those pains (lessening) and I hope to
> become 1000% more patient also
Exactly! That's why I attribute a lot of physical problems to my
emotions. The muscles tense up, and after years and years it can cause
imbalance in posture which in turn overworks certain muscles, etc. I'm
glad you got my point. I'm not glad that we're both so impatient. I'm
consciously working on this. At least we're aware of it!
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| Wade Humeniuk 2006-08-22, 8:26 am |
| LauraM wrote:
> Sirgerry wrote:
>
> Exactly! That's why I attribute a lot of physical problems to my
> emotions. The muscles tense up, and after years and years it can cause
> imbalance in posture which in turn overworks certain muscles, etc. I'm
> glad you got my point. I'm not glad that we're both so impatient. I'm
> consciously working on this. At least we're aware of it!
>
Why are you not asking what is causing your emotional, impatience problems?
Wade
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| LauraM 2006-08-22, 4:28 pm |
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Wade Humeniuk wrote:
>
> Why are you not asking what is causing your emotional, impatience problems?
>
> Wade
Oh believe me, I do, I do. I work on this constantly.
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| Sirgerry 2006-08-22, 9:29 pm |
| Wade Humeniuk wrote:
> Why are you not asking what is causing your emotional, impatience problems?
> Wade
Absolutely, I do too, everyday day. I'm in psycotherapy and of course
childhood comes to mind. I may know where does this come from, but the
best part is that now, with Yoga, I feel I can actually go somewhere
and do something about it, give it motion and stillness, to let it out
in a pacific way instead of repeating the pattern and have me hitting
someone else or my own kid.
Namste
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| LauraM 2006-08-22, 9:29 pm |
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Sirgerry wrote:
> Absolutely, I do too, everyday day. I'm in psycotherapy and of course
> childhood comes to mind. I may know where does this come from, but the
> best part is that now, with Yoga, I feel I can actually go somewhere
> and do something about it, give it motion and stillness, to let it out
> in a pacific way instead of repeating the pattern and have me hitting
> someone else or my own kid.
>
> Namste
Well, I can tell you and I have some things in common. I'm also in
psychotherapy and it is indeed due to my childhood. I internalized my
frustrations and my body took the brunt of it. Being a very outgoing,
sensitive person has its advantages and disadvantages. It's almost
like I felt the hurt more than the average person. Yoga definitely
allows me to have peace and hopefully my body will remember the peace
after the sessions. Little by little, but it seems to be working.
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| Wade Humeniuk 2006-08-22, 9:29 pm |
| Sirgerry wrote:
> Wade Humeniuk wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Absolutely, I do too, everyday day. I'm in psycotherapy and of course
> childhood comes to mind. I may know where does this come from, but the
> best part is that now, with Yoga, I feel I can actually go somewhere
> and do something about it, give it motion and stillness, to let it out
> in a pacific way instead of repeating the pattern and have me hitting
> someone else or my own kid.
>
That's really good. It does not matter where you have been, its the
skill to purposefully move to where you want to go.
Ya... Go ... --->> That'away
Yo... Ga ...
Wade
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| LauraM 2006-08-23, 4:29 pm |
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Wade Humeniuk wrote:
> That's really good. It does not matter where you have been, its the
> skill to purposefully move to where you want to go.
>
> Ya... Go ... --->> That'away
> Yo... Ga ...
>
> Wade
YaGo, YoGa....love it! It *is* all about intention. To purposefully
move to where you want to go. Even though I can do a particular
position, I do it to the best of my ability without straining. I've
noticed a lot of improvement over these last few months.
I just love it. I love my little Yoga room too, that I've created in
my house. It feels like a sactuary.
Thanks, Wade.
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| Sirgerry 2006-08-23, 4:29 pm |
| So Laura, how long have you been practicing Yoga? I've been for 5 weeks
now, and can notice the difference indeed. I wonder how long does it
take to be quite flexible?
I believe (After reading the works of Ida P. Rolf, check em out) That
emotions do get stored in the body and to me, a lack of flexibility in
the body is also a lack of flexibility in the other areas of life. (Try
impatience, for instance)
I've a lot of anger stored also, from child abuse, and I'm sure it is
bottled up in my body somehow, I wonder if releasing the body releases
the anger? That's why I was asking about emotions, to see if anybody
has been there.
I've been loving everything Yoga, and I'm trying to be patient about
this road, knowing that Yoga is for life, and it is no contest, I
wished I could see results faster
Peace!
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| LauraM 2006-08-23, 4:29 pm |
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Sirgerry wrote:
> So Laura, how long have you been practicing Yoga? I've been for 5 weeks
> now, and can notice the difference indeed. I wonder how long does it
> take to be quite flexible?
>
> I believe (After reading the works of Ida P. Rolf, check em out) That
> emotions do get stored in the body and to me, a lack of flexibility in
> the body is also a lack of flexibility in the other areas of life. (Try
> impatience, for instance)
>
> I've a lot of anger stored also, from child abuse, and I'm sure it is
> bottled up in my body somehow, I wonder if releasing the body releases
> the anger? That's why I was asking about emotions, to see if anybody
> has been there.
>
> I've been loving everything Yoga, and I'm trying to be patient about
> this road, knowing that Yoga is for life, and it is no contest, I
> wished I could see results faster
Hi there,
I've only been practicing yoga for a few months now, but I can see a
marked improvement in my flexibility. I'm so incredibly tight in the
hip and groin area. I couldn't even sit cross-legged on the floor for
more than a few seconds before I started yoga. I can't imagine any
time soon I'll be doing the lotus position, let alone the half-lotus
position. But some day.
I'll check out Ida P. Rolf. Thanks for the recommendation! I'm sorry
you had to go through child abuse. I have no words of wisdom regarding
that because I've never known anybody who's been through that.
Horrible. I can only imagine. For me, I had parents so emeshed in
their own problems that they basically forgot about us and thought we
were "perfect" when they did see us. How hilarious. I have a hard
time forming close friendships and it took me till I was 43 to get
married! I'm 47 now. You'd never know it though because most people
love my personality because I'm outgoing and funny. I perfected this
routine so my parents would believe everything was "perfect". I've
had neck surgeries, knee surgeries and chronic back issues, most all
because of stored negative emotions.
All this is to say that my emotions are stored up in my spirit and my
body. Yoga has a way of letting me be okay with who I am. Be in the
moment.
Peace yerself!
>
> Peace!
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| Sirgerry 2006-08-24, 4:28 pm |
| Thanks for your reply! IN my case the abuse was physical, lots of
punishment for not doing it right, so now I have this tendendy to do
everything right, even Yoga, but I think you can not tame Yoga to one's
desires, ones has to learn to adapt and of course, be flexible, pun
intended.
I really do hope in a few months I'll be more flexible and healthy with
my daily routine. Do you to clasesses or only from books and videos?
I've been following videos only but intend to take some class.
Hope all is well with you, Namaste
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