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| omjaroo 2006-07-25, 8:26 am |
| Hi everyone,
Recent discussions have morphed into exchanges which have caused some
group members to feel uncomfortable and complain. Contributions have
been characterized as attack, bickering and likened to the historical
abuses perpetrated by organized religion (ouch :-).
And even though the conversation I am referring to, had changed
subjects from the original (God) posted in a different thread , to "how
to act and have a civilized and productive conversation in alt.yoga",
the impression by some members was that the thread was still
"bickering" about God. This is an example of how posts can be
manipulated, to incite, misdirect and create division and negative
feelings among otherwise friendly and reasonable group members.
One of the unique aspects of alt.yoga and one of it's strengths is the
relative calm, respectful and tolerant attitudes of its members. So
even habitually negative posts/posters are accorded a certain respect
and the opportunity to participate as long as no one gets "nasty" or
blatantly disrespectful.
For group members who are relatively new to Usenet (I mean 30 years or
less, which should be all of us :-) here are some great background
articles which are very helpful for understanding on-line group
communication dynamics.
About trolls
http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm
About online arguments.
http://members.aol.com/intwg/flamewars.htm
I hope a review of these materials by all of us in alt.yoga will help
in understanding recent, past or future exchanges that anyone might
find distasteful. And my further wish is that this will help us learn
to create and maintain a healthy, nurturing and supportive environment,
in which anyone can communicate freely, honestly and effectively, while
on our path in yoga.
Jared
o
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| Jared,
Thanks a lot for also conveying my feelings on the matter.
Respectfully,
Puma
omjaroo wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> Recent discussions have morphed into exchanges which have caused some
> group members to feel uncomfortable and complain. Contributions have
> been characterized as attack, bickering and likened to the historical
> abuses perpetrated by organized religion (ouch :-).
>
> And even though the conversation I am referring to, had changed
> subjects from the original (God) posted in a different thread , to "how
> to act and have a civilized and productive conversation in alt.yoga",
> the impression by some members was that the thread was still
> "bickering" about God. This is an example of how posts can be
> manipulated, to incite, misdirect and create division and negative
> feelings among otherwise friendly and reasonable group members.
>
> One of the unique aspects of alt.yoga and one of it's strengths is the
> relative calm, respectful and tolerant attitudes of its members. So
> even habitually negative posts/posters are accorded a certain respect
> and the opportunity to participate as long as no one gets "nasty" or
> blatantly disrespectful.
>
> For group members who are relatively new to Usenet (I mean 30 years or
> less, which should be all of us :-) here are some great background
> articles which are very helpful for understanding on-line group
> communication dynamics.
>
> About trolls
>
> http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm
>
> About online arguments.
>
> http://members.aol.com/intwg/flamewars.htm
>
>
> I hope a review of these materials by all of us in alt.yoga will help
> in understanding recent, past or future exchanges that anyone might
> find distasteful. And my further wish is that this will help us learn
> to create and maintain a healthy, nurturing and supportive environment,
> in which anyone can communicate freely, honestly and effectively, while
> on our path in yoga.
>
> Jared
> o
> ^
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| NBennett 2006-07-25, 9:24 pm |
| ok ok ok
next time you guys go at it, i'll just sit back and know you're
actually enjoying it.
n
omjaroo wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> Recent discussions have morphed into exchanges which have caused some
> group members to feel uncomfortable and complain. Contributions have
> been characterized as attack, bickering and likened to the historical
> abuses perpetrated by organized religion (ouch :-).
>
> And even though the conversation I am referring to, had changed
> subjects from the original (God) posted in a different thread , to "how
> to act and have a civilized and productive conversation in alt.yoga",
> the impression by some members was that the thread was still
> "bickering" about God. This is an example of how posts can be
> manipulated, to incite, misdirect and create division and negative
> feelings among otherwise friendly and reasonable group members.
>
> One of the unique aspects of alt.yoga and one of it's strengths is the
> relative calm, respectful and tolerant attitudes of its members. So
> even habitually negative posts/posters are accorded a certain respect
> and the opportunity to participate as long as no one gets "nasty" or
> blatantly disrespectful.
>
> For group members who are relatively new to Usenet (I mean 30 years or
> less, which should be all of us :-) here are some great background
> articles which are very helpful for understanding on-line group
> communication dynamics.
>
> About trolls
>
> http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm
>
> About online arguments.
>
> http://members.aol.com/intwg/flamewars.htm
>
>
> I hope a review of these materials by all of us in alt.yoga will help
> in understanding recent, past or future exchanges that anyone might
> find distasteful. And my further wish is that this will help us learn
> to create and maintain a healthy, nurturing and supportive environment,
> in which anyone can communicate freely, honestly and effectively, while
> on our path in yoga.
>
> Jared
> o
> ^
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| omjaroo 2006-07-25, 9:24 pm |
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NBennett wrote:
> ok ok ok
> next time you guys go at it, i'll just sit back and know you're
> actually enjoying it.
> n
Nancy,
Did you get a chance to read the two essays?
Jared
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| On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:45:30 -0700, NBennett <nancy178@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> ok ok ok
> next time you guys go at it, i'll just sit back and know you're
> actually enjoying it.
> n
>
Maybe it's a testosterone thing.
--Don
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| Richard Corfield 2006-07-26, 2:24 am |
| On 2006-07-26, Don <lalladas@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> Maybe it's a testosterone thing.
>
So that would be first chakra then?
- Richard ;-)
--
_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ Richard Corfield <Richard.Corfield@gmail.com>
_/ _/ _/ _/
_/_/ _/ _/ Time is a one way street,
_/ _/ _/_/ _/_/_/ except in the Twighlight Zone
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| omjaroo 2006-07-26, 8:26 am |
| Hi Richard,
> So that would be first chakra then?
Yes, it would. And that is the chakra which corresponds to all things
concerning life and living. Sometimes characterized as the highest
energy centre in animals and the lowest in humans.
Did you get a chance to read the two essays I referenced?
Jared
o
^
Richard Corfield wrote:
> On 2006-07-26, Don <lalladas@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> So that would be first chakra then?
>
> - Richard ;-)
>
> --
> _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ Richard Corfield <Richard.Corfield@gmail.com>
> _/ _/ _/ _/
> _/_/ _/ _/ Time is a one way street,
> _/ _/ _/_/ _/_/_/ except in the Twighlight Zone
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| omjaroo 2006-07-26, 8:26 am |
| Hi Don,
> Maybe it's a testosterone thing.
On the other hand maybe it's a human thing...
Hey, did you get a chance to read the two essays I referenced in this
thread?
Jared
o
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| omjaroo 2006-07-26, 8:26 am |
| Hi Puma,
Except that I didn't express any of my feelings in my post, so I can't
know what yours are unless you share them.
Hey did you get a chance to read the two essays I referenced?
Jared
o
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puma wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
> Jared,
>
> Thanks a lot for also conveying my feelings on the matter.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Puma
>
>
> omjaroo wrote:
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| NBennett 2006-07-26, 8:26 am |
| jared
yes. i'd also read them before, early in my internet use when i first
came across trolls and flamers. i know enough to leave them alone now.
so, i guess i saw a case of "i'm right, you're wrong", got briefly
involved, then applied "you're right, i'm wrong" and vowed to sit back
and not interfere while you enjoy the battle...i mean the discussion.
nancy
omjaroo wrote:
> NBennett wrote:
>
> Nancy,
>
> Did you get a chance to read the two essays?
>
> Jared
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| Richard Corfield 2006-07-26, 8:26 am |
| On 2006-07-26, omjaroo <omjaroo@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Did you get a chance to read the two essays I referenced?
>
On flamewars and trolls, yes. It brings back old usenet memories. I also
went back to good old Emily Postnews though she seems a lot more
sarcastic now.
- Richard
--
_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ Richard Corfield <Richard.Corfield@gmail.com>
_/ _/ _/ _/
_/_/ _/ _/ Time is a one way street,
_/ _/ _/_/ _/_/_/ except in the Twighlight Zone
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| omjaroo 2006-07-26, 8:26 am |
| Thanks
Jared
o
^
Richard Corfield wrote:
> On 2006-07-26, omjaroo <omjaroo@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> On flamewars and trolls, yes. It brings back old usenet memories. I also
> went back to good old Emily Postnews though she seems a lot more
> sarcastic now.
>
> - Richard
>
> --
> _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ Richard Corfield <Richard.Corfield@gmail.com>
> _/ _/ _/ _/
> _/_/ _/ _/ Time is a one way street,
> _/ _/ _/_/ _/_/_/ except in the Twighlight Zone
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| howdydave 2006-07-26, 4:33 pm |
| Howdy Richard!
Maybe Emily Post was having a testosterone flash too! ;->
Dave
Richard Corfield wrote:
> On 2006-07-26, omjaroo <omjaroo@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> On flamewars and trolls, yes. It brings back old usenet memories. I also
> went back to good old Emily Postnews though she seems a lot more
> sarcastic now.
>
> - Richard
>
> --
> _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ Richard Corfield <Richard.Corfield@gmail.com>
> _/ _/ _/ _/
> _/_/ _/ _/ Time is a one way street,
> _/ _/ _/_/ _/_/_/ except in the Twighlight Zone
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| omjaroo 2006-07-26, 4:33 pm |
| Howdy Dave,
Very funny... You're killin me Dave :-)
Hey did you get a chance to read the two essays I linked?
Jared
o
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howdydave wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
> Howdy Richard!
>
> Maybe Emily Post was having a testosterone flash too! ;->
>
> Dave
>
>
> Richard Corfield wrote:
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| Jared,
By stating your thoughts regarding our exchange of posters ,it has been
a sort of exposition of my feelings...
Yes I carefully read the essays you referenced...
Puma
omjaroo wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
> Hi Puma,
>
> Except that I didn't express any of my feelings in my post, so I can't
> know what yours are unless you share them.
>
> Hey did you get a chance to read the two essays I referenced?
>
> Jared
> o
> ^
>
>
> puma wrote:
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| omjaroo 2006-07-26, 9:28 pm |
| Thank you!
Jared
puma wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
> Jared,
>
> By stating your thoughts regarding our exchange of posters ,it has been
> a sort of exposition of my feelings...
>
> Yes I carefully read the essays you referenced...
>
> Puma
>
>
>
> omjaroo wrote:
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| Nancy,
It was not a case as you percived it,it was a warning to my good
friend....
It was not a battle as you percived, it was a discussion...
Now let me tell you this, and please take note as you may need in the
future also...
When a good friend of yours states that """Every fish lives in water"""
Then sometimes later if the same friend states that""" Good fish lives
in water"""
Then you have to warn him/her that he/she is wrong...This has nothing
to the with the( I AM RIGHT) EGOCENTRICITY...Because first statement
was also said by the same friend of yours...
So You have a right to warn him/her stating that """ If every fish
lives in water"""
then """Bad fish lives in water too"""
The story is based on the assumption that every normal human has the
same logical principles... If logical principles differs on some humans
that means an
abnormal situation is valid...
When we start to see events as they are, then no problem comes out, if
we are at the side of distortion, then it happens to be, we are
mistaken...
With compassion,
Puma
NBennett wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
> jared
> yes. i'd also read them before, early in my internet use when i first
> came across trolls and flamers. i know enough to leave them alone now.
> so, i guess i saw a case of "i'm right, you're wrong", got briefly
> involved, then applied "you're right, i'm wrong" and vowed to sit back
> and not interfere while you enjoy the battle...i mean the discussion.
> nancy
>
>
> omjaroo wrote:
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| Don,
I am positive that you are trying to make a joke here...And in the same
way ,I like to reply to you...
It might be in your case when you are discussing with a man, your
testesterone level might change a lot, but it is not so in my case, my
testesterone level increases only when I take a beautiful female to
the bed with me...
Puma
Don wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:45:30 -0700, NBennett <nancy178@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>
> Maybe it's a testosterone thing.
>
> --Don
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| On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:00:25 -0700, puma <sesli.atbisey@gmail.com> wrote:
> Don,
>
> I am positive that you are trying to make a joke here...And in the same
> way ,I like to reply to you...
>
> It might be in your case when you are discussing with a man, your
> testesterone level might change a lot, but it is not so in my case, my
> testesterone level increases only when I take a beautiful female to
> the bed with me...
>
> Puma
>
At my age, Puma, any testosterone is good testosterone.
Yes, I was making light of the whole thing. Competitiveness is a natural
thing. On such serious topics we are all just speculating anyway--why get
upset when another's opinion is not the same as our own? We are all here
to learn and grow, and most of us are doing that, in our own way.
Peace,
--Don
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| howdydave 2006-07-26, 9:28 pm |
|
omjaroo wrote:
> Howdy Dave,
>
> Very funny... You're killin me Dave :-)
>
> Hey did you get a chance to read the two essays I linked?
>
> Jared
> o
> ^
Howdy Jared!
You know me...
I don't read nuthin', no time, no how, no where unless
I can't get out of it!
Dave
[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> howdydave wrote:
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| omjaroo 2006-07-27, 2:26 am |
| Howdy Dave,
I will take that as a no then.
Is there any particular reason why not?
Jared
o
^
howdydave wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
> omjaroo wrote:
>
> Howdy Jared!
>
> You know me...
> I don't read nuthin', no time, no how, no where unless
> I can't get out of it!
>
> Dave
>
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| howdydave 2006-07-27, 2:26 am |
| Howdy Jared!
ok... now I read 'em.
Guess you didn't catch the irony in my reference
to an aversion to reading, eh? ;->
Being 25% Norwegian, dealing with trolls is in
my DNA.
My heratige has taught me that if it is a kind
troll, once in a blue moon you leave it some
lutefisk and gjetost cheese out in the back 40.
(Just to keep him around for your amusement.)
If it is a cruel, crude, obnoxious or otherwise
undesirable troll you just ignore it and it will
eventually grow tired of attempting to bait you.
Then it simply moves on to greener pastures.
We have a troll on a board that I moderate.
I've practiced option #2 and recently this troll
has become inflamed by the fact that he is not
receiving any recognition from me. He will soon
grow weary of it (I give him less than a week) and
move on.
Dave
omjaroo wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
> Howdy Dave,
>
> I will take that as a no then.
>
> Is there any particular reason why not?
>
> Jared
> o
> ^
>
> howdydave wrote:
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| howdydave 2006-07-27, 2:26 am |
| Speaking of IRONY...
I think that it is kinda' funny getting information
about trolls from AOL.
They are the people who put trolls in their software
to destroy non-AOL Internet-software in your computer.
(They used to do that anyway!)
Dave
howdydave wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
> Howdy Jared!
>
> ok... now I read 'em.
>
> Guess you didn't catch the irony in my reference
> to an aversion to reading, eh? ;->
>
> Being 25% Norwegian, dealing with trolls is in
> my DNA.
>
> My heratige has taught me that if it is a kind
> troll, once in a blue moon you leave it some
> lutefisk and gjetost cheese out in the back 40.
> (Just to keep him around for your amusement.)
>
> If it is a cruel, crude, obnoxious or otherwise
> undesirable troll you just ignore it and it will
> eventually grow tired of attempting to bait you.
> Then it simply moves on to greener pastures.
>
> We have a troll on a board that I moderate.
> I've practiced option #2 and recently this troll
> has become inflamed by the fact that he is not
> receiving any recognition from me. He will soon
> grow weary of it (I give him less than a week) and
> move on.
>
>
> Dave
>
>
> omjaroo wrote:
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| howdydave 2006-07-27, 2:26 am |
| Howdy Jared!
Guess I'd better come clean, eh?
Truth be told -- I didn't read it because
of where the information comes from!
Talk about of IRONY...
I think that it is kinda' funny getting information
about trolls from AOL.
They are the people who put trolls in their software
to incapacitate non-AOL Internet-software on your
computer! (They used to do that anyway.)
I learned a long time ago to never install or
activate AOL software if I ever wanted to use
any other Internet software on my computer.
Dave
howdydave wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
> Howdy Jared!
>
> ok... now I read 'em.
>
> Guess you didn't catch the irony in my reference
> to an aversion to reading, eh? ;->
>
> Being 25% Norwegian, dealing with trolls is in
> my DNA.
>
> My heratige has taught me that if it is a kind
> troll, once in a blue moon you leave it some
> lutefisk and gjetost cheese out in the back 40.
> (Just to keep him around for your amusement.)
>
> If it is a cruel, crude, obnoxious or otherwise
> undesirable troll you just ignore it and it will
> eventually grow tired of attempting to bait you.
> Then it simply moves on to greener pastures.
>
> We have a troll on a board that I moderate.
> I've practiced option #2 and recently this troll
> has become inflamed by the fact that he is not
> receiving any recognition from me. He will soon
> grow weary of it (I give him less than a week) and
> move on.
>
>
> Dave
>
>
> omjaroo wrote:
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| omjaroo 2006-07-27, 8:26 am |
| howdydave wrote:
> Howdy Jared!
>
> ok... now I read 'em.
Thank you.
> Guess you didn't catch the irony in my reference
> to an aversion to reading, eh? ;->
No I suppose I didn't/don't. Does it have to do with the fact that you
are such a wide read and prolific reader/writer?
> Being 25% Norwegian, dealing with trolls is in
> my DNA.
>
> My heratige has taught me that if it is a kind
> troll, once in a blue moon you leave it some
> lutefisk and gjetost cheese out in the back 40.
> (Just to keep him around for your amusement.)
>
> If it is a cruel, crude, obnoxious or otherwise
> undesirable troll you just ignore it and it will
> eventually grow tired of attempting to bait you.
> Then it simply moves on to greener pastures.
Thank you very much for this little bit. It gave voice to an internal
quandary I was having trouble defining.
> We have a troll on a board that I moderate.
> I've practiced option #2 and recently this troll
> has become inflamed by the fact that he is not
> receiving any recognition from me. He will soon
> grow weary of it (I give him less than a week) and
> move on.
Yes, sort of the opposite of the calm before a storm. As in its gonna
get worse before it gets better. Reminds me of my ex-wife's reaction
when I started to get a grip on my negative emotional reactions to our
relationship. I thought things were going to calm down and get better;
boy was I wrong. From that point on her agitation and venom escalated
in direct proportion to my understanding and forgiveness and went clear
off of the board. She ended up cooling her heels in jail for three
weeks while I extricated myself from a decidedly toxic relationship.
Unfortunately I was not able to save the kids (if there is such a
thing) and it looks like they are going to have to sort it out for
themselves, the hard way. Good thing I am aware of the function of
pre-natal karma and rebirth or I'd be even more unhappy about the
situation than I am :-(
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| Thanks Don,
As a matter of fact I enjoy while learning from your
conclusions...Forget about your age,
I am 66 and only see it when watching my image on the mirror while
using my razor blade...Age is just a number that`s all, and furthermore
it gives us the wastness of our experience.
With compassion,
Puma
Don wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:00:25 -0700, puma <sesli.atbisey@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> At my age, Puma, any testosterone is good testosterone.
>
> Yes, I was making light of the whole thing. Competitiveness is a natural
> thing. On such serious topics we are all just speculating anyway--why get
> upset when another's opinion is not the same as our own? We are all here
> to learn and grow, and most of us are doing that, in our own way.
>
> Peace,
>
> --Don
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