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Reality is a dream?
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| Johan 2006-04-21, 11:27 am |
| Is it a shared dream? Does Yogi litterature say anything about manifesting
reality and what that means?
Thank you
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| omjaroo 2006-04-21, 11:27 am |
| Hi,
Rajneesh presented the following suggestion. He did not attribute it
but I get a Buddhist flavour.
If I go far into the wilderness and bury a coin. Then I give you (or
anyone else) a detailed map of where to find it. You can follow that
map years later go and find that coin. So in the physical sense, the
idea of each of us making up his own reality (as in a dream) does not
follow..
I agree with Rajneesh, that this isn't the meaning of "life is just
a dream" :-)
Jared
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| Johan 2006-04-21, 11:27 am |
| But then energy was used to putting the coin there and drawing the map. If
you before you go look for the coin visualize in deep meditation that the
coin is not there then you energize that reality. It is said that believing
it is whats important - programming our "subconscious" that communicates
with the universal mind. Then it can manifest in the physical. :o)
This is just what i read in a "remote influencing" manual.
> Hi,
>
> Rajneesh presented the following suggestion. He did not attribute it
> but I get a Buddhist flavour.
>
> If I go far into the wilderness and bury a coin. Then I give you (or
> anyone else) a detailed map of where to find it. You can follow that
> map years later go and find that coin. So in the physical sense, the
> idea of each of us making up his own reality (as in a dream) does not
> follow..
>
> I agree with Rajneesh, that this isn't the meaning of "life is just
> a dream" :-)
>
> Jared
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| howdydave 2006-04-22, 1:27 am |
| Howdy Johan!
"Energize that reality?"
First thing that you have to do is to come to a common
understanding about what "reality" is. That isn't going to
happen. Each school of thought (dualist, non-dualist,
monist, annihilationist, etc) has it's own general idea;
each practitioner fine tunes their own definition according
to their own insight.
Second thing that you have to do is come to a common
understanding about what "Energizing" it means.
There will never be a common understanding about what
reality is because the best that we can do is to PERCEIVE
reality. Even if your perception of realiy and mine were
identical there would be no way to confirm it due to the
limitations of interpersonal communication.
Dave
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| NBennett 2006-04-22, 11:24 am |
| this reminds me of something i read in one of the seth books. dreams are
alternate realities, just as real as this one. in the dream we think its
reality and this reality is the dream. the parts we remember are windows
that open while we're relaxed and in tune with our whole selves. everyone
has their own realities and some intersect with ours here, sometimes in
alternate realities. there are multiple alternate realities.
it was kind of a big concept for me to absorb but it helped explain people i
just meet who seem very familiar, deja vu, repeating dreams, things that i'd
always valued but couldnt understand. in my mind i picture it like a
multi-dimensional time-slice, space-slice, multiplied by differing factors.
seth also talks about creating your reality - from positive thinking
creating positive outcome all the way to creating weather and natural
disasters. i'm not all the way into that. i can see that i can impact
everything around me, not that i create it all.
dont ask me to defend this theory, i'm still reading and evaluating it
myself. where it could touch the yoga in my life is during savansana and
yoga nidra when i sometime "go somewhere" it could be that a window opens
into an alternate reality. and of course i feel i've created a lot of
realities in my life through the force of my desire to have it or belief
that its there. this works for relationships, activities, acquisitions, but
i cant see manifesting a tsunami for example.
still a work in progress.
nancy
"Johan" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
news:Qv42g.53778$d5.208582@newsb.telia.net...
> Is it a shared dream? Does Yogi litterature say anything about manifesting
> reality and what that means?
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> Thank you
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| On 2006-04-22 05:50:29 -0700, "NBennett" <nancy178@sympatico.ca> said:
> this reminds me of something i read in one of the seth books. dreams
> are alternate realities, just as real as this one. in the dream we
> think its reality and this reality is the dream. the parts we remember
> are windows that open while we're relaxed and in tune with our whole
> selves. everyone has their own realities and some intersect with ours
> here, sometimes in alternate realities. there are multiple alternate
> realities.
> it was kind of a big concept for me to absorb but it helped explain
> people i just meet who seem very familiar, deja vu, repeating dreams,
> things that i'd always valued but couldnt understand. in my mind i
> picture it like a multi-dimensional time-slice, space-slice, multiplied
> by differing factors.
> seth also talks about creating your reality - from positive thinking
> creating positive outcome all the way to creating weather and natural
> disasters. i'm not all the way into that. i can see that i can impact
> everything around me, not that i create it all.
> dont ask me to defend this theory, i'm still reading and evaluating it
> myself. where it could touch the yoga in my life is during savansana
> and yoga nidra when i sometime "go somewhere" it could be that a window
> opens into an alternate reality. and of course i feel i've created a
> lot of realities in my life through the force of my desire to have it
> or belief that its there. this works for relationships, activities,
> acquisitions, but i cant see manifesting a tsunami for example.
> still a work in progress.
> nan
We make our own realities. It is amazing how much our awareness colors
our experience. Eastern philosophy makes the claim that all of reality
is an outgrowth of consciousness. Certainly, an open, loving, positive
attitude is going to yield an open, loving, positive life.
I am skeptical. There are many forces outside our consciousness, like
disease, bad people, violence and such. No doubt, a yogic attitude
(Buddha nature) will help us confront these forces. But, we also need
to be mindful of our physical resources in helping us past these
obstacles.
Two examples:
Starving people in Darfur do not need to learn yoga as much as they
need food, medical supplies, and security.
Jews in Germany during Hitler's times survived by understanding how to
fight back, sometime cheating the system to get necessary visa's to
leave or working for the resistance.
--
~Stu
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| On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:07:05 -0700, Johan <spam@spam.com> wrote:
[trim]
It is said that
> believing
> it is whats important - programming our "subconscious" that communicates
> with the universal mind. Then it can manifest in the physical. :o)
> This is just what i read in a "remote influencing" manual.
>
This reminds me of the "Ghost Dance Religion" practised by some Amerindian
tribes in the late nineteenth century. They had special shirts that they
firmly believed would protect them from the bullets of the whites.
Unfortunately they were wrong, and when the whites had had enough of their
dancing around and stirring things up, they simply opened fire and
massacred them.
I'm a yogi, but I'm not a mayavadin; that is more the province of certain
vedantins.
--Don
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/yogabare
"I'll let you be in my dream if I can be in yours."
--Bob Dylan
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| On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 13:06:47 -0700, Stu <Nospam@towel.com> wrote:
> On 2006-04-22 05:50:29 -0700, "NBennett" <nancy178@sympatico.ca> said:
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> We make our own realities. It is amazing how much our awareness colors
> our experience. Eastern philosophy makes the claim that all of reality
> is an outgrowth of consciousness. Certainly, an open, loving, positive
> attitude is going to yield an open, loving, positive life.
>
> I am skeptical. There are many forces outside our consciousness, like
> disease, bad people, violence and such. No doubt, a yogic attitude
> (Buddha nature) will help us confront these forces. But, we also need
> to be mindful of our physical resources in helping us past these
> obstacles.
>
> Two examples:
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> Starving people in Darfur do not need to learn yoga as much as they need
> food, medical supplies, and security.
>
> Jews in Germany during Hitler's times survived by understanding how to
> fight back, sometime cheating the system to get necessary visa's to
> leave or working for the resistance.
>
There is something here that is very valuable, namely the statement that
we make our own realities (through our beliefs about "reality"). I don't
want to trample on it when I make the statement that I am not a mayavadin.
I personally owe a lot to having read the Seth books in 1974.
Understanding that I was creating a very limiting reality for myself by my
own limiting beliefs about my reality made my life much better. We do,
indeed, create our own realities by our beliefs about our reality, but we
do not create everyone else's. There is also a consensus reality that has
a lot of force, since it is agreed upon by so many people. Even though
that consensus view is less than the whole story, the success of an
embodied existence in this world depends partly on being able to work
skillfully within that consensus reality. It's a little like agreeing to
be constrained by the rules of a game, at least while you are playing the
game. If one-eyed jacks are declared to be wild at the beginning of the
hand, then you'd better play it that way, at least for the duration of
that hand. Next time around, the rules may be different.
--Don
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/yogabare
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| Ohh come on Howdydave,
Reality is same for everybody. If you do nopt accept this you would not
find your work -place at all. When you go to Svalbard during winter
time, you would not know why people mostly are not happy there,
furthermore if the SUN was always there, then there would be some trees
in that region..
So please do not give me that idea of yours as there is no reality...
REALITY IS THE EVENT THAT EVERBODY AGREE ON IT. ONLY DISAGREED PEOPLE
ARE THE ONES CRACK IN THEIR MIND>>>
With compassion,
PUMA
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| if reality is a dream then define dream.
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| On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:06:13 -0700, anon <me@privacy.net> wrote:
> if reality is a dream then define dream.
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Are you addressing this to me? I did not say that reality was a
dream--that is not my position, as I thought I had made clear in this and
an earlier post.
--Don
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| howdydave 2006-04-26, 1:25 am |
| Howdy Puma!
Ahhh...
Herein lays the difference between:
REALITY and
PERCEPTION of reality.
Of course there is "REALITY"...
but people can only perceive it, interprit their perceptions
and attempt to communicate their perceptions to others.
Once people start saying that their perception is the
one and only truth, we are talking about dogmatism.
Dave
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| howdydave 2006-04-26, 1:25 am |
| Howdy Puma!
Ahhh...
Herein lays the difference between:
REALITY and
PERCEPTION of reality.
Of course there is "REALITY"...
but people can only perceive it, interprit their perceptions
and attempt to communicate their perceptions to others.
Once people start saying that their perception is the
one and only truth, we are talking about dogmatism.
Remember the blind men describing the elephant!
Dave
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