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| mush97 2006-03-30, 12:29 pm |
| Hi,
How can I attain half Lotus or the impossible (for me) the Full Lotus.
Regards.
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| LawsonE 2006-03-31, 12:38 am |
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"mush97" <mush97@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hi,
>
> How can I attain half Lotus or the impossible (for me) the Full Lotus.
>
> Regards.
By dong a lot of stretching over many years.
But if you have legs that are too large/long/thick/etc (or don't have legs
at all or have any of a number of other physical limitations), lotus will be
impossible for you.
Why are you so interested in getting into the lotus position anyway?
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| mush97 2006-03-31, 12:38 am |
| I have seen in it many Yoga videos.
If there are any other posture, please write about it.
Regards.
"LawsonE" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>
> "mush97" <mush97@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> By dong a lot of stretching over many years.
> Why are you so interested in getting into the lotus position anyway?
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| omjaroo 2006-03-31, 12:38 am |
| Mush,
Hi,
What brings you to alt. yoga?
Jared
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| Paul H 2006-03-31, 12:26 pm |
|
> Mush,
>
> Hi,
>
> What brings you to alt. yoga?
>
> Jared
Maybe the same reason I came here...to get fit and bendy. Then I came across
wise dudes like yourself, Stu, moon, etc... and have glimpsed the potential
of Yoga..
In that last ten months, since I began practicing Yoga, so much has changed
in and around me, I am eternally grateful to you, Jared, for making me
curious enough about Yoga to explore it's posibilities...
:o)
Hope all is well with you..
Paul
o
^
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| On 2006-03-31 09:59:54 -0800, "Paul H" <nospam@nospam.com> said:
>
>
> Maybe the same reason I came here...to get fit and bendy. Then I came
> across wise dudes like yourself, Stu, moon, etc... and have glimpsed
> the potential of Yoga..
>
> In that last ten months, since I began practicing Yoga, so much has
> changed in and around me, I am eternally grateful to you, Jared, for
> making me curious enough about Yoga to explore it's posibilities...
>
> :o)
>
> Hope all is well with you..
>
> Pa
Getting into Lotus position can be a challenge. I used to be able to
do it when I was younger, these days half lotus is all I can attain.
Part of the reason is how short my thigh bones are.
However, the stretchess towards lotus are very good for you. Mostly
they require an extreme external rotation of the femur which in turn
stretches the piriformas. These muscles once relaxed and stretch help
provide excellent spinal support for sitting. All the better for a
deep meditation.
Aside from the obvious help of the standing poses that help with the
external rotation. Simply sitting in 90-90 pose will help a great deal
with this external rotation. 90-90 is a variation of half lotus (my
yoga teacher gave it the name).
1. Sit with both legs out. Sit on several folded blankets. Maybe 4" high.
2. Pull in the bottom leg to a 90 degree angle. By keeping the leg
bent at 90 degrees you protect the knee. If you come in tighter than
90 degrees you risk tearing the knee ligaments. They don't recover
quickly.
3. If the bottom knee is not touching the floor put a blanket under it
so it has gentle support.
4. Pull up the top leg and rest the ankle on top of the bottom knee.
The foot should not be pinched. The top knee is at 90 degrees.
5. If the top knee is not resting on the bottom foot. Slide in a
folded blanket or cushion to support it gently.
6. The two femur bones (thighs) should be pretty close to parallel and
not splayed out. Of course this is optimal but stiff people should do
the best they can.
7. Once in this position there should be little strain. I am not
convinced that forcing a stretch is any better than gently working
against the blankets.
8. While in the pose, try straight back forward bends (lean against a
chair or brick so the back does not round). Do some stretches.
9. Hold the pose for 15 minutes or more. This is the only pose I have
heard senior Iyengar teachers suggest doing while watching TV.
I can send you a picture of me doing it, if you send me your email. I
have not been able to find a demonstration of 90-90 on the internet.
Hope this helps.
--
~Stu
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| LawsonE 2006-03-31, 5:28 pm |
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"mush97" <mush97@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>I have seen in it many Yoga videos.
>
> If there are any other posture, please write about it.
>
Sitting in chair with your back comfortably straight works for meditation
for many people. Other postures are useful for other purposes.
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| On 2006-03-31 15:21:54 -0800, "LawsonE" <nospam@nospam.com> said:
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> "mush97" <mush97@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Sitting in chair with your back comfortably straight works for
> meditation for many people. Other postures are useful for other
> purposes.
Yes one can meditate while sitting in a chair.
But...if you take the time to tune up the body through asanas, and find
an easy posture, that allows for energy to move freely through the
body, effortless breath, and wakeful alertness in every cell, samadhi
comes with little or no effort.
A properly performed sitting position allows the distracting sensations
of the body to fall away, like being in a John C Lilly isolation tank.
Not necessary, but highly recommended.
--
~Stu
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| LawsonE 2006-04-01, 10:35 am |
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"Stu" <Nospam@towel.com> wrote in message
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> On 2006-03-31 15:21:54 -0800, "LawsonE" <nospam@nospam.com> said:
>
>
> Yes one can meditate while sitting in a chair.
>
> But...if you take the time to tune up the body through asanas, and find an
> easy posture, that allows for energy to move freely through the body,
> effortless breath, and wakeful alertness in every cell, samadhi comes with
> little or no effort.
>
> A properly performed sitting position allows the distracting sensations of
> the body to fall away, like being in a John C Lilly isolation tank.
>
> Not necessary, but highly recommended.
With TM, distracting bodily sensations aren't an issue except in the most
extreme cases. I've meditated in a chemical warfare suite wearing a gasmask,
holding an M-16. I've also meditated with a mouth full of both novicaine and
the two hands of my dentist. I rather imagine if he forgot the novacane I'd
be less inclined to keep my eyes closed, but its still plausible that I
could have meditated with no problems including the "experience of samadhi
with no effort."
That's not to say that yoga asanas before TM aren't a good thing, though.
BTW, with TM, samadhi *always* happens with no effort. My understanding of
samadhi is that it would be impossible for it to be otherwise.
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| omjaroo 2006-04-01, 10:35 am |
| o
^
Hi Paul,
Good to hear from you! I'm glad to hear things are going well.
I was surprised and pleased when I saw your response to my "fishing"
expedtion :-) But eternally... are you certain? That sure seems like a
long time ;-) Well thanks for the kind words :-)
I look forward to you sharing some of your discoveries concerning
things yoga (or anything else for that matter)
Jared
o
^
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| Dave K 2006-04-01, 10:35 am |
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mush97 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> How can I attain half Lotus or the impossible (for me) the Full Lotus.
>
> Regards.
http://membres.lycos.fr/zenmontpell...us-english.html
For meditation, full lotus is the most stable, but half lotus is
sufficient. Just switch legs every now and again. (Or do odd/even
days)
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| On 2006-04-01 03:49:05 -0800, "LawsonE" <nospam@nospam.com> said:
>
>
> BTW, with TM, samadhi *always* happens with no effort. My understanding
> of samadhi is that it would be impossible for it to be otherwise.
But it is less likely to happen when distracted.
--
~Stu
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| LawsonE 2006-04-02, 6:33 pm |
|
"Stu" <Nospam@towel.com> wrote in message
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> On 2006-04-01 03:49:05 -0800, "LawsonE" <nospam@nospam.com> said:
>
>
> But it is less likely to happen when distracted.
Not particularly less likely unless the external distractions are extreme.
As I said earlier, I've meditated while sitting in a dentist's chair while
he worked on a cap for a molar. Without episodes of extreme pain, its hard
to imagine a more distracting situation than having someone sanding down
your tooth for an hour or so.
Now, its possible that for a beginning meditator, such would be the case. I
learned TM 32 years ago, but my molar-cap was made only a few years ago,
after about 30 years of meditation experience.
Now, for somewhat less distracting circumstances, 25 years ago I was in the
USAF and would secretly practice TM while on guard duty while wearing a gas
mask and chemical warfare suit, holding an AR-15 (M-16 equivalent), just a
few feet from F-111FB fighter-bomber jets reving up their engines (I was
wearing ear plugs so there was no real pain). This was close enough to the
jets that one time my army helmet was blown from my head and sailed 30 feet
inthe air due to the backwash from the jet. I wasn't meditating at that
time, but I *did* meditate other times about the same distance from F-111s
which were warming up their engines.
This was only with 7 years experience meditating.
I also practiced TM leaning against a pile of boxes while a major exhibit
was being set up around me involving perhaps a hundred booths and many
dozens of people moving boxes, tables, chairs, etc.
This was only with 2 years experience meditating.
In my experience, distractions have little effect on the ability to do TM.
PERHAPS they have some effect on the episodes of samadhi, but unless the
circumstances surrounding the TM practice are stressful (and none of the
above seemed stressful to me while I was meditating), I don't see why they
should have THAT much effect.
A distraction is just like any other thought during TM.
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| Wow BOY what do I hear here!!!!
(FISHING EXPEDITION) actually when Jared is talking for other people he
puts the words other way around TROLLING_____
But now when it is his himself, it becomes very nicely put into order
as (FISHING EXPEDITION) Surely people here have a lot to learn from
Jared...As Paul has allready learned from him...
With compassion,
PUMA
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| omjaroo 2006-04-03, 1:33 am |
| Puma,
Is the kettle calling the pot black? :-)
Jared
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| omjaroo 2006-04-04, 6:48 pm |
| > I guess the big difference is I'm calmer. I do not get stressed as often =
or
> as easily, it still happens but it is less damaging. I am more tolerant,
> more willing to listen, more eager to understand, rather than being the
> self pitying negative dollop I was becoming.
Wow, can=E2=80=99t imagine it gets much better then that!
> I feel reborn, a little, or maybe
> it's just the real me, the good me, that is surfacing. The old dark, cyni=
cal
> me is fading into the distance. I have more time (still never enough!),
> more energy, with two feisty daughters I need it.
The birth of my daughter was seminal for my realization of who I am.
> I don't get lost in questions I could never answer or I subconsciously kn=
ow =E2=80=A8that the answer is simply about faith. Not religious faith, but=
faith in =E2=80=A8myself and faith in goodness and positivity being ascend=
ant.
My, you have been busy, haven=E2=80=99t you? You must have really been ready
:-)
> I can really see how far I have come when I listen to my own music.
> There are a couple of songs here that I wrote a few years ago:
> http://www.soulbay.co.uk/smoker.htm
> I was so bitter...so jaded.
> I am now writing music about how much I love stuff!
You never mentioned you were a musician. I really enjoyed listening to
both songs. They have very catchy tunes. It=E2=80=99s funny though I really
didn=E2=80=99t listen to the words because I was just caught up in song as a
whole. When I did follow the words they didn't sound that bitter and
jaded to me, so I will take your word for it.
> All of the above and more is why I will be "eternally" grateful to what y=
ou
> and others have inspired within me. Thank you.
For my part you are most welcome. But be sure to thank the person most
responsible for your efforts to align yourself with the Truth of who
you are and that would be you!
Here=E2=80=99s a couple of poems I posted which I wrote some years ago. Like
you, I am glad to have this aspect of my learning behind me :-)
http://groups.google.com/group/alt....aa72fa?hl=3Den&
Jared =20
o
^
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| mush97 2006-04-05, 11:40 am |
| Thanks, everybody.
"omjaroo" <omjaroo@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Mush,
>
> Hi,
>
> What brings you to alt. yoga?
>
> Jared
>
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| mush97 2006-04-05, 11:40 am |
| Great reply.
"Dave K" <dkotschess@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> mush97 wrote:
>
> http://membres.lycos.fr/zenmontpell...us-english.html
>
> For meditation, full lotus is the most stable, but half lotus is
> sufficient. Just switch legs every now and again. (Or do odd/even
> days)
>
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| omjaroo 2006-04-05, 11:40 am |
| Thank you :-)
Jared
o
^
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| Paul H 2006-04-06, 11:37 am |
|
"omjaroo" <omjaroo@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I guess the big difference is I'm calmer. I do not get stressed as often
> or
> as easily, it still happens but it is less damaging. I am more tolerant,
> more willing to listen, more eager to understand, rather than being the
> self pitying negative dollop I was becoming.
Wow, can't imagine it gets much better then that!
> I feel reborn, a little, or maybe
> it's just the real me, the good me, that is surfacing. The old dark,
> cynical
> me is fading into the distance. I have more time (still never enough!),
> more energy, with two feisty daughters I need it.
The birth of my daughter was seminal for my realization of who I am.
Yup. I think it also makes one less self indulgent.
> I don't get lost in questions I could never answer or I subconsciously
> know ?that the answer is simply about faith. Not religious faith, but
> faith in ?myself and faith in goodness and positivity being ascendant.
My, you have been busy, haven't you? You must have really been ready
:-)
Oh yes, in one of my first post here I mentioned how much Yoga had intrigued
me for many years. I had always been fascinated by the mysticism (and my
romanticised interpretations) of other, older cultures; Egypt, China,
India...I was **sooooo** ready for Yoga!! :O)
> I can really see how far I have come when I listen to my own music.
> There are a couple of songs here that I wrote a few years ago:
> http://www.soulbay.co.uk/smoker.htm
> I was so bitter...so jaded.
> I am now writing music about how much I love stuff!
You never mentioned you were a musician. I really enjoyed listening to
both songs. They have very catchy tunes. It's funny though I really
didn't listen to the words because I was just caught up in song as a
whole. When I did follow the words they didn't sound that bitter and
jaded to me, so I will take your word for it.
The subject matter of both songs centre around very negative periods in my
life; wrangles over money, deception, greed and jealousy where the subject
matter of most days during that time. The lyrics are very personal. It's
kind of like a diary with a melody. Glad you liked it, thanks.
> All of the above and more is why I will be "eternally" grateful to what
> you
> and others have inspired within me. Thank you.
For my part you are most welcome. But be sure to thank the person most
responsible for your efforts to align yourself with the Truth of who
you are and that would be you!
Yup. I'm am being nice to myself. I have learned that these kinds of changes
can not sustain themselves.
Here's a couple of poems I posted which I wrote some years ago. Like
you, I am glad to have this aspect of my learning behind me :-)
http://groups.google.com/group/alt....5caa72fa?hl=en&
Nice one. I bet when you read those poems now, the emotions you felt at the
time are still tangible. I can quickly dip my toes in the past when I read
or listen to old lyrics. When I have spent so much time constructing each
line I can immediately tap in to what I was feeling when I re-read them
years later. Good therapy.
All the best mate
Paul
o
^
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| omjaroo 2006-04-06, 11:37 am |
| > All the best mate
Back at cha buddy :-)
o
^
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| Dave K 2006-04-06, 11:37 am |
|
omjaroo wrote:
n or[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> Wow, can=E2=80=99t imagine it gets much better then that!
>
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>
> The birth of my daughter was seminal for my realization of who I am.
>
know =E2=80=A8that the answer is simply about faith. Not religious faith, b=
ut faith in =E2=80=A8myself and faith in goodness and positivity being asce=
ndant.[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> My, you have been busy, haven=E2=80=99t you? You must have really been re=
ady
> :-)
>
>
> You never mentioned you were a musician. I really enjoyed listening to
> both songs. They have very catchy tunes. It=E2=80=99s funny though I real=
ly
> didn=E2=80=99t listen to the words because I was just caught up in song a=
s a
> whole. When I did follow the words they didn't sound that bitter and
> jaded to me, so I will take your word for it.
>
you[vbcol=seagreen]
>
> For my part you are most welcome. But be sure to thank the person most
> responsible for your efforts to align yourself with the Truth of who
> you are and that would be you!
>
> Here=E2=80=99s a couple of poems I posted which I wrote some years ago. L=
ike
> you, I am glad to have this aspect of my learning behind me :-)
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt....aa72fa?hl=3Den&
>
> Jared
>
> o
> ^
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pag...?bandID=3D74578
WHOOPS! It looks like I inadvertantly posted a link to my OWN music
page. Oh well, guess I'll just leave it there and click the little
posty button...
-DaveK
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| Paul H 2006-04-06, 11:37 am |
|
"Dave K" <dkotschess@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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omjaroo wrote:
>
> Wow, can't imagine it gets much better then that!
>
>
> The birth of my daughter was seminal for my realization of who I am.
>
>
> My, you have been busy, haven't you? You must have really been ready
> :-)
>
>
> You never mentioned you were a musician. I really enjoyed listening to
> both songs. They have very catchy tunes. It's funny though I really
> didn't listen to the words because I was just caught up in song as a
> whole. When I did follow the words they didn't sound that bitter and
> jaded to me, so I will take your word for it.
>
>
> For my part you are most welcome. But be sure to thank the person most
> responsible for your efforts to align yourself with the Truth of who
> you are and that would be you!
>
> Here's a couple of poems I posted which I wrote some years ago. Like
> you, I am glad to have this aspect of my learning behind me :-)
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt....5caa72fa?hl=en&
>
> Jared
>
> o
> ^
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pag...fm?bandID=74578
WHOOPS! It looks like I inadvertantly posted a link to my OWN music
page. Oh well, guess I'll just leave it there and click the little
posty button...
-DaveK
:O)
Very nice, soothing stuff...
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| Dave K 2006-04-06, 11:37 am |
|
Paul H wrote:
> "Dave K" <dkotschess@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1144326342.203630.62080@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> omjaroo wrote:
>
> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pag...fm?bandID=74578
>
> WHOOPS! It looks like I inadvertantly posted a link to my OWN music
> page. Oh well, guess I'll just leave it there and click the little
> posty button...
> -DaveK
>
> :O)
>
> Very nice, soothing stuff...
yeah, I've been meaning to get some more uptempo stuff up. Can't
always be soothed...
Thanks,
-DaveK
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| LawsonE 2006-04-06, 11:37 am |
|
"Paul H" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>
> "omjaroo" <omjaroo@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1144190735.594354.201540@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> Wow, can't imagine it gets much better then that!
>
I can imagine that it gets MUCH better. Here's self-reports of long-term TM
meditators in a peer reviewed scientific study when asked "who are you?".
The researchers went on to test the waking EEG of the various groups,
including the ones responding as below and found distinct differences in the
pattern of EEG for the groups who describe "who they are" one way as opposed
to describing it another. BTW, the reason why people don't hear TMers talk
about this stuff in general is because they're told NOT to talk about this
stuff to other people because it will only engender confusion and/or
jealousy (or they'll be called crazy or liars). This is a special case where
people are coming forward anonymously to tell their stories to scientists
doing neurological research on the state of enlightenment. The study was
published in Consciousness and Cognition, volume 13 (2004) pages 401-420:
http://brainresearchinstitute.org/r...ConcCog2004.pdf
[...]
Long-term Group: Self is independent of and underlying thoughts, feelings,
and actions
L1: We ordinarily think my self as this age; this color of hair; these
hobbies . . . my
experience is that my Self is a lot larger than that. Its immeasurably vast.
.. . on a
physical level. It is not just restricted to this physical environment
L2: Its the ''I am-ness.'' Its my Being. Theres just a channel underneath
thats
just underlying everything. Its my essence there and it just doesnt stop
where I
stop. . . by ''I,'' I mean this 5 ft. 2 person that moves around here and
there
L3: I look out and see this beautiful divine Intelligence. . . you could say
in the
sky, in the tree, but really being expressed through these things. . . and
these are
my Self
L3: I experience myself as being without edges or content. . . beyond the
universe. . . all-pervading, and being absolutely thrilled, absolutely
delighted with
every motion that my body makes. With everything that my eyes see, my ears
hear, my nose smells. Theres a delight in the sense that I am able to
penetrate
that. My consciousness, my intelligence pervades everything I see, feel and
think
L5: When I say ''I'' thats the Self. Theres a quality that is so pervasive
about the
Self that I'm quite sure that the ''I'' is the same ''I'' as everyone elses
''I.'' Not in
terms of what follows right after. I am tall, I am short, I am fat, I am
this, I am
that. But the ''I'' part. The ''I am'' part is the same ''I am'' for you and
me
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| omjaroo 2006-04-06, 6:32 pm |
| Agreed!
Reminds me of listening to Alicia DeLaroccha. I can't tell if it's the
choice of pieces or if its the style in which they're rendered; or
both. But the effect is the same; soothing, calm, satisfying :-)
Jared
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| omjaroo 2006-04-06, 6:32 pm |
| Yes I suppose you did. And a nice mistake for us! :-)
What I am wondering is; what was the original intention of the post (if
there was any)?
Jared
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| Dave K 2006-04-08, 11:31 am |
|
omjaroo wrote:
> Yes I suppose you did. And a nice mistake for us! :-)
>
> What I am wondering is; what was the original intention of the post (if
> there was any)?
>
> Jared
Shameless off topic self-promotion.
-DaveK
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| Paul H 2006-04-10, 11:29 am |
|
"Dave K" <dkotschess@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> omjaroo wrote:
>
> Shameless off topic self-promotion.
>
> -DaveK
>
Aaaah you can't beat it. I don't actually practice Yoga at all. I've just
been waiting for the right opportunity to seamlessly slip in a link to my
music.....
;o)
Paul
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| omjaroo 2006-04-10, 11:29 am |
| I can relate. After 52 years of this life and 15 years of yoga, I'm
waiting for the same chance. Any day now... :-)
o
^
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| LawsonE 2006-04-11, 6:25 pm |
|
"omjaroo" <omjaroo@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>I can relate. After 52 years of this life and 15 years of yoga, I'm
> waiting for the same chance. Any day now... :-)
>
> o
> ^
>
Scroll down to the "Saturday evening" section and make your selection:
http://lynchweekend.org/replays.html
How's that for shameless plugging of music? Not mine, however...
Saturday Evening
Donovan concert (50 minutes)
Dialup
Low Broadband
High Broadband
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| omjaroo 2006-04-13, 1:22 am |
| > How's that for shameless plugging of music? Not mine, however...
Not bad :-)
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| LawsonE 2006-04-13, 1:22 am |
|
"omjaroo" <omjaroo@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Not bad :-)
>
And totally on-topic if you watched it:
"Happiness runs in a circular motion;
thought is like a little boat upon the sea;
everything is a part of everything anyway;
you can have everything if you let yourself Be."
--Donovan, Rishikesh, India during his Maharishi days...
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