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shabdahu

2006-02-25, 9:33 pm

THE MEANING AND PURPOSE OF YOGA
By Bhole Prabhu

Like many arts and sciences that are profound, beautiful, and
powerful, yoga has suffered from the spiritual poverty of the modern
world--it has been trivialized, watered down, or reduced to cliches.
The deep and eternal essence of yoga has been misrepresented and
packaged for personal profit by clever people. At the hands of some,
yoga has been reduced to the status of just another exercise program
available on videotape. In other contexts, yoga has been presented as
a cult religion, aimed at attracting "devotees." Such a haze of
confusion has been created around the clear and pure concept of yoga
that it is now necessary to redefine yoga and clarify its meaning and
purpose.

Yoga defines itself as a science--that is, as a practical,
methodical, and systematic discipline or set of techniques that have
the lofty goal of helping human beings to become aware of their
deepest nature. The goal of seeking to experience this deepest
potential is not part of a religious process, but an experiential
science of self-study. Religions seek to define what we should
believe, while a practical science such as meditation is based on the
concrete experience of those teachers and yogis who have previously
used these techniques to experience the deepest Self. Yoga does not
contradict or interfere with any religion, and may be practiced by
everyone, whether they regard themselves as agnostics or members of a
particular faith.

Throughout history, yogic techniques have been practiced in both the
East and West, so it would be an error to consider yoga an "Eastern
import." In fact, yoga, with its powerful techniques for creating a
sense of inner peace, harmony, and clarity of mind, is absolutely
relevant to the modern world--both East and West. Given the
increasing pace and conflict present in modern life, with all its
resulting stress, one could say that yoga has become an essential
tool for survival, as well as for expanding the creativity and joy of
our lives.

THE LIVING TRADITION

Although yoga does not "belong" to the East, it is easiest to trace
its roots there, because cultural change has not obscured the origins
of the science, and an ongoing tradition of yoga has continued to the
present day. No one person "invented" yoga--yoga is a living
tradition, a set of practices that dates back for centuries. These
practices were codified by a scholar and teacher named Patanjali in
The Yoga Sutras, written about the second century B.C.

The most important teaching of yoga has to do with our nature as
human beings. It states that our "true nature" goes far beyond the
limits of the human mind and personality--that instead, our human
potential is infinite and transcends our individual minds and our
sense of self. The very word "yoga" makes reference to this. The
root, "yuj" (meaning "unity" or "yoke"), indicates that the purpose
of yoga is to unite ourselves with our highest nature. This re-
integration is accomplished through the practices of the various yoga
disciplines. Until this re-integration takes place, we identify
ourselves with our limitations--the limitations of the body, mind,
and senses. Thus we feel incomplete and limited, and are subject to
feelings of sorrow, insecurity, fear, and separation, because we have
separated ourselves from the experience of the whole.

In the modern world we have become quite successful in our external
achievements--we have created powerful technologies and a variety of
products, we are obsessed with accumulating power, wealth, property
and objects--and yet we have not been able to create either
individual or social peace, wisdom, or happiness. We have only to
look around and see the destructiveness of our weapons, the emptiness
of our pleasures and entertainments, the misuse of our material and
personal resources, the disparities between rich and poor, and above
all, the loneliness and violence of our modern world. We see that
amid all our success in the external world, we have accomplished
little of lasting value. These problems will not be solved through
new technological developments. Instead, the resolution to these
human problems will come only when we discover within ourselves that
for which all of mankind is searching--inner peace, tranquility, and
wisdom. This attainment is the goal of yoga, for yoga is the
practical science intended to help human beings become aware of their
ultimate nature.

AN ASCENT INTO PURITY

The process of yoga is an ascent into the purity of the absolute
perfection that is the essential state of all human beings. This goal
requires the removal of our enveloping personal impurities, the
stilling of our lower feelings and thoughts, and the establishment of
a state of inner balance and harmony. All the methods of yoga are
based on the perfection of our personalities and may help to create a
new world order.

In the beginning of our work, the greatest problem we experience is
our inherent restlessness of mind. Mind, by its very nature, is
outgoing and unsteady. The highest state of meditation, however,
requires a calm, serene, one-pointed mind, free from negative
emotions and the distractions created by cravings, obsessions, and
desires. To reach the subtler levels of consciousness and awareness,
we need willpower, clarity of mind, and the ability to consciously
direct the mind towards our goal. This is possible only when we turn
away from preoccupation with external acquisition and seek to stop
all inharmonious or negative mental processes. To achieve this, we do
not need to give up our homes and society and retire to a monastery.
Instead, we can achieve a state of peace, harmony, and contentment in
our daily meditation, and thus, go on carrying out our life's duties
and activities with the love and devotion that emerges from our
meditative experience.

For those who want to follow the path of yoga towards peace and
evolution, there are a few prerequisites. We need good health, a calm
mind, sincerity, and a burning desire to rise above our human
imperfections. Our health is maintained by a simple and well-
regulated diet, adequate sleep, some physical exercise, and
relaxation. Imbalance or excesses in food, exercise, sleep, or our
personal relationships produce physical and emotional disruptions
that disturb the practice of yoga and meditation.

If the aspects of our daily lives are well balanced, then certainly
we can make progress in yoga in the modern world. Regardless of where
we live or what we do, we can create a life conducive to yoga.

PATHS TO THE SUMMIT

As we indicated earlier, there is much confusion about exactly what
yoga is, especially since there seem to be so many approaches, all
described by the name "yoga." A mountain climber may take a variety
of routes to reach the top of a mountain. From the plain at the base
of the mountain, all these paths seem distinct and different, but
from the mountain summit, the view is always the same! The same is
true of the seeming diversity of the yogic paths. These different
paths are not mutually exclusive or conflicting, but are intended to
accommodate the various inclinations, personalities, and temperaments
of individual students, and yet they all have the same goal. These
various paths of yoga include:

1) Hatha yoga, which deals mostly with body and breathing exercises
that help the student to become aware of his or her internal states.
Hatha yoga exercises help to make the body a healthy and strong
resource for the student.

2) Karma yoga, which means "the yoga of action." This path teaches us
to do our own duties in life skillfully and selflessly, dedicating
the results of our actions to humanity. Practicing this aspect of
yoga helps us to live unselfishly and successfully in the world
without being burdened or distressed.

3) Jnana yoga is the path of knowledge and wisdom. This path involves
intense mental discipline. Knowledge dawns as we learn to
discriminate between the real and the unreal, between the transient
and the everlasting, between the finite and the infinite. This path
is meant for only a fortunate few, who are aware of the higher and
subtler realities of life.

4) Bhakti yoga is the yoga of devotion. This path is the way of love
and devotion. It is the path of self-surrender, of devoting and
dedicating all human resources to attaining the ultimate reality.

5) Kundalini yoga is a highly technical science. The guidance of a
competent teacher is required to learn methods for awakening the
serpent-like vital force that remains dormant and asleep in every
human body.

6) Mantra yoga, which involves meditation and the use of certain
sounds called "mantras," which are traditionally transmitted to the
student, and are used as objects of concentration. Mantras help the
student in self-purification, concentration, and meditation. These
mantras were discovered in deep meditation by highly advanced sages
and teachers.

Finally, there is raja yoga, the "royal path" which is very
scientific and thorough. By following this path methodically, we
learn to refine our desires, emotions, and thoughts, as well as the
subtle impressions and thoughts that lie dormant in the unconscious
mind. Raja yoga helps us to experience the inner reality by using an
eight-runged ladder. The ultimate goal is for the aspirant to attain
the eighth rung, samadhi.

THE ROYAL PATH

Raja yoga encompasses teachings from all the different paths. Because
of its variety it can be practiced by people of many backgrounds and
temperaments. It involves all three dimensions of human interaction--
physical, mental, and spiritual. Through this path, we achieve
balance and harmony of all three levels and then attain full
realization of the Self.

Raja yoga is a scientific discipline that does not impose
unquestioning faith, but encourages healthy examination. Certain
practices are prescribed and the benefits derived from them are
described so that this path can be scientifically verified by anyone
who experiments with the methods. Because of this, raja yoga is
ideally suited to the modern world, in which scientific skepticism is
so prominent.

Raja yoga is also called astanga yoga, or "the eight-fold path,"
because its eight steps create an orderly process of self-
transformation beginning on the level of the physical body, and
eventually involving the subtler levels of life. The eight steps are
yama, niyama, asana, pranayama, pratyahara, dharana, dhyana, and
samadhi.

EXTERNAL PRACTICES

The first four rungs or steps--yama, niyama, asana, and pranayama,
comprise the path of hatha yoga, which is preparatory to the last
four stages of raja yoga.

Yama and niyama are ten commitments of attitude and behavior. One set
of disciplines (niyama) is meant to improve the human personality and
the other (yama) is meant to guide our relationships and interactions
with other beings in the world. Thus yoga is an education for both
internal and external growth. The five yamas, or restraints, are
nonviolence, truthfulness, nonstealing, sensual moderation, and non-
possessiveness. Their practice leads to changes in behavior and
emotions, in which all negative emotions are replaced by positive
ones.

The five niyamas, or observances, are cleanliness (both external and
internal), contentment, practices which bring about perfection of
body and senses (tapas), study of the scriptures, and surrender to
the ultimate reality. The niyamas lead to the control of our behavior
and eventually are extremely positive factors in developing the
personality.

In the beginning we should not be discouraged by the challenge of
these first two steps. For example, even before we have succeeded in
developing the trait of nonviolence completely, we will see
increasing peace in our lives and meditation as a result of
attempting to practice this yama.

Usually, when hatha yoga is taught in the modern world, only asanas
(physical postures) and certain breathing practices are taught. Yama
and niyama often are ignored. Because of this, hatha yoga has become
somewhat superficial, sometimes emphasizing only physical beauty or
egoism about skill and strength in postures. Certainly asanas and
breathing exercises create physical health and harmony, but only when
our minds are free from violent emotions can we achieve a calm,
creative, and tranquil mental state.

Actually, there are two types of asanas--meditative postures and
postures that ensure physical well-being. A stable meditative posture
helps us create a serene breath and calm mind. A good meditative
posture should be comfortable and stable, ensuring that the head,
neck, and trunk are erect and in a straight line. If the body is
uncomfortable, it makes the mind agitated and distracted. The second
kind of postures are practiced to perfect the body, making it limber
and free from disease. These postures stimulate specific muscles and
nerves and have very beneficial effects.

The fourth step of raja yoga is pranayama. Prana is the vital energy
that sustains body and mind. The grossest manifestation of prana is
the breath, so pranayama is also called the "science of breath."
These exercises lead to calming and concentration.

INTERNAL PRACTICES

The four steps of hatha yoga prepare the student for the four
internal practices of raja yoga. These internal practices are
pratyahara, dharana, dhyana, and samadhi.

The fifth step of raja yoga is pratyahara or withdrawal and control
of the senses. While we are awake, the mind becomes involved with the
events, experiences, and objects of the external world through the
five senses of sight, hearing, touch, taste, and smell. The mind
constantly gathers sensations from the external world through these
senses and our mind reacts to them. To attain inner calmness, the
student of yoga will want to develop the ability to voluntarily
remove the distractions of the world outside. This is not a physical
process but a voluntary, mental process of letting go of our
involvement with external sensations.

Our sensory impressions distract the mind when we want it to become
aware of serenity within. Thus, it is useful to learn dharana, or
concentration, the sixth step in raja yoga. In concentration, the
scattered power of the mind is coordinated and focused on an object
of concentration through continued voluntary attention. This
voluntary attention uses a conscious effort of the will, and it is
developed through consistent practice. Through concentration, a
scattered, weak mind is focused and made more powerful.

The seventh step in raja yoga is dhyana, or meditation. Meditation is
the result of continued, unbroken concentration. Concentration makes
the mind one-pointed, calm, and serene. Meditation then expands the
one-pointed mind to the superconscious state. Meditation is the
uninterrupted flow of the mind toward one object or concept. When the
mind expands beyond conscious and subconscious levels and assumes
this superconscious flow, then intuitive knowledge dawns. All the
methods of yoga prepare us to eventually reach this stage of
meditation and thus attain peace, perfection, and tranquility.

In our daily lives, meditation can be very helpful in eliminating
many physical and psychological problems. A significant amount of the
disease we experience is actually either directly or indirectly the
result of conflicts, repression, or emotional distress arising in the
conscious or unconscious mind. Meditation helps us to become aware of
these conflicts and to resolve them, establishing tranquility and
peace. In this way, meditation becomes a powerful resource for facing
the challenges of daily life.

If we really consider how we learn in the modern world, we realize
that despite all our emphasis on education, our education is one-
sided and shallow. We may learn to memorize equations and facts, but
we do not really learn to understand and develop our own inner life.
Our minds remain scattered and our emotions persist as negative,
conflicting forces. We are able to use only a small portion of our
mental abilities, because we are preoccupied with confusion, fear,
and inner conflict. Meditation helps us to overcome these
limitations; it helps us to become aware of the subtler and more
positive powers within. In gaining this awareness, we become creative
and dynamic. Abilities such as intuition, which many consider unusual
or rare, are actually within the potential of all human beings who
meditate. Such gifts are available to those who make contact with the
deeper aspects within themselves.

Prolonged and intense meditation leads to the last step of raja yoga--
the state of samadhi, the superconscious state. In this state we
become one with the higher Self and transcend all imperfections and
limitations. The state of samadhi is the fourth state of
consciousness, which transcends the three normal states of waking,
dreaming, and dreamless sleep.

A person who attains samadhi becomes a gift to his or her society. If
humanity is ever to achieve a more evolved civilization, it will be
possible only because of our growth and evolution as human beings. A
person who is established in samadhi lives his or her whole life as a
spontaneous expression of the unhindered flow of supreme
consciousness. This superconscious level is our human essence; it is
universal and transcends all the divisions of culture, creed, gender
or age. When we become aware of this state within, our whole life is
transformed. When we transform ourselves and experience serenity,
peace, and freedom, we also transform our societies and all of human
civilization. This awareness of the infinite consciousness is the
practical and real goal of yoga.

----

Bhole Prabhu lived in the Himalayas, and was a yogi, poet, and
philosopher renowned as an original thinker.


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puma

2006-02-25, 9:33 pm

Hi Shabdahu,

I wish you have written your own ideas regarding YOGA, instead of, long
sentences pertaining to Bhole Prabhu...No matter where he lived even
if himalayas or on the SUN!

First of all his explanation

" The very word "yoga" makes reference to this. The
root, "yuj" (meaning "unity" or "yoke"), indicates that the purpose
of yoga is to unite ourselves with our highest nature. This re-
integration is accomplished through the practices of the various yoga
disciplines. "

Boy what a wrong explanation of YOGA... Patanjali says ( Yoga chitti
vritti nrutha)

That is, yoga means to quiten the mind which is going up and down!

And it is obvious that everything makes a WHOLE, everything is
together...So there is no need to unite all the existence,as it is
allready in UNITY.

Yoga only means to be aware of this togetherness.. To be aware of this
UNITY. That is so simple.

So what your Bhole has said seems do not reflect the truth.

I would kindly correct this Himalayan persons` explanation regarding
yoga!

With compassion,

Puma

hbkta@aol.com

2006-02-25, 9:33 pm


puma wrote:
> Hi Shabdahu,
>
> I wish you have written your own ideas regarding YOGA, instead of, long
> sentences pertaining to Bhole Prabhu...No matter where he lived even
> if himalayas or on the SUN!
>
> First of all his explanation
>
> " The very word "yoga" makes reference to this. The
> root, "yuj" (meaning "unity" or "yoke"), indicates that the purpose
> of yoga is to unite ourselves with our highest nature. This re-
> integration is accomplished through the practices of the various yoga
> disciplines. "
>



> Boy what a wrong explanation of YOGA... Patanjali says ( Yoga chitti
> vritti nrutha)
>


yes Puma,
Patanjali says , Yoga chitti vritti nirodha.
you understand that to be a definition, hence your interpretation that
Yoga is ...such and such.
However, the word yoga had meaning prior to Patanjali, he did not
invent the word.
so others take the meaning differently. Others take into account the
meanings of all the words in the sutra independently as well as
collectively, they take the meaning of the whole sutra, rather than
defining one word of sutra by the other words in the sutra.
Perhaps Patanjali was not offering a definintion of "yoga" but
indicating the condition which is required for its occurance.


> That is, yoga means to quiten the mind which is going up and down!
>
> And it is obvious that everything makes a WHOLE, everything is
> together...So there is no need to unite all the existence,as it is
> allready in UNITY.
>
> Yoga only means to be aware of this togetherness.. To be aware of this
> UNITY. That is so simple.
>
> So what your Bhole has said seems do not reflect the truth.
>
> I would kindly correct this Himalayan persons` explanation regarding
> yoga!
>
> With compassion,
>
> Puma


puma

2006-02-25, 9:33 pm

Hi there H... :

Forget about all the others, lets hear your definition of yoga...

The reason I have given Patanjali`s explanation is because Patanjali is
the one who has put yoga into a systematic style...Understandings
certainly differ from one to other. But TRUTH is the one which is same
no matter what people understand!.

What I am against is the general explanation of yoga as done by Bhole
bradhu and others ; if yuj means to unite , what is to be united if
existence is allready united! We are all united.In other words
existence is allready a unification...

But we are not aware of it. Yoga means to be aware of this
togetherness...I personly value every single thought of lay people like
us, I do not like wrong ideas of GURUS.. I am against the establishment
of GURU...

My understanding from yoga is not the defination of Patanjali...All , I
am saying that yoga is to be mindfull of this existence...Of this
unity...

I hope it is clear now...

With compassion,

Puma

hbkta@aol.com

2006-03-01, 5:58 pm


puma wrote:
> Hi there H... :
>
> Forget about all the others, lets hear your definition of yoga...
>


it is so simple,
as you are fond of saying,
from wheat comes wheat.
all around I see living conscious beings,
so the universe, the cosmos, from which they have manifest must also be

living conscious being,
yoga is uniting, joining with that Consciousness which is the ground of
all
be-ing, consciously, not as intellectual construct by experientially.
"experientially" is used for lack of better word


> The reason I have given Patanjali`s explanation is because Patanjali is
> the one who has put yoga into a systematic style...Understandings
> certainly differ from one to other.


I have given other understanding as counter balance to your
presentation, which as often seems the case, you present as if your
idea is TRUTH.

> But TRUTH is the one which is same
> no matter what people understand!.


yes, even no matter what YOU understand.
can you accept that TRUTH might as yet be beyond your understanding?

>
> What I am against is the general explanation of yoga as done by Bhole
> bradhu and others ; if yuj means to unite , what is to be united if
> existence is allready united! We are all united.In other words
> existence is allready a unification...
>


what unification is this that you are talking about.
from much of your writings I would guess the unity you consider is all
reducible to inert matter.

> But we are not aware of it. Yoga means to be aware of this
> togetherness...I personly value every single thought of lay people like
> us, I do not like wrong ideas of GURUS.. I am against the establishment
> of GURU...
>


> My understanding from yoga is not the defination of Patanjali...


one cannot understand yoga if one does not practice yoga.
As you often say?: from wheat comes wheat.
Practice of yoga, (asanas etc including meditation based on the
philisophical, theoretical practical understanding of yoga) will lead
to knowledge of yoga.
Practice of willy nilly smorgasbourg of techniques according to
personal whimsy will not lead to such knowledge.
If you practice according to tradition of Patanjali you will certainly
come to understand yoga as he did.

> All , I
> am saying that yoga is to be mindfull of this existence...Of this
> unity...
>


perhaps you will indicate exactly what you mean by this existence, this
unity.


> I hope it is clear now...
>
> With compassion,
>
> Puma


hbkta@aol.com

2006-03-01, 5:58 pm

this would probably be a good place for that jnani joke.

How many Jnani's does it take to change a lightbulb?

Answer:

No one knows.

As yet the debate goes on.

what is light?
what is bulb?
why would light bulb?
Does a light light bulb, if fact, exist and
if so, why?
If a light bulb does indeed exist, why would it need to be changed?
How would it be changed? changed to what?


etc. ad naseum.

moon

2006-03-02, 11:00 am


hbkta@aol.com wrote:
> this would probably be a good place for that jnani joke.
>
> How many Jnani's does it take to change a lightbulb?
>
> Answer:
>
> No one knows.
>
> As yet the debate goes on.
>
> what is light?
> what is bulb?
> why would light bulb?
> Does a light light bulb, if fact, exist and
> if so, why?
> If a light bulb does indeed exist, why would it need to be changed?
> How would it be changed? changed to what?
>


it's bulbs all the way down....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtles_all_the_way_down



>
> etc. ad naseum.


hbkta@aol.com

2006-03-02, 5:58 pm


moon wrote:
> hbkta@aol.com wrote:
>
> it's bulbs all the way down....
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtles_all_the_way_down
>
>


mmmmmmmmm ........ I love turtles!!
[vbcol=seagreen]
>

moon

2006-03-02, 5:58 pm


hbkta@aol.com wrote:

> moon wrote:
>
> mmmmmmmmm ........ I love turtles!!



the idea was just to demonstrate that your frustrated/inquiring post
was the most inteligent ....

inquiring....bulbs all way down....(or up)....

enlightment, reincarnation, perhaps?

-----------------

in the end the old lady was demonstrating the same...which is a better
perpective than the famous scientist, who was very self-confident about
Truth...

who knows Truth?

------------------

but considering you love turtles:
here's a link with beatiful turtles photos:

http://www.tortugamarina.com/galler..._identificacio2

puma

2006-03-02, 5:58 pm

Hi h...:

I love the way you argue...I love the way you understand issues...

However I see that how unsatisfying my exlanations that need all
clarification...

Let me try what i understand from UNITY,When I talk about unity,
certainly I am referring all the existing entity whether it is
Reducible into an inert matter or into any type of measurable
energy... If we can not measure the thing we are talking about,it is
hard to accept its existence...

To be exist, we have to measure it by some means ...Even our ideas to
be exist ,they need to be measurable by some sort...Otherwise how one
can argue anything if it does not give any measurable trace!

So whatever exists within the space,including our thoughts as I have
tried to explain above constitute THE WHOLENESS, or UNITY . In this
unity everything has some sort of relation to the others,this might be
their physical, psychological,nerological ,but allways a sort of
effect...No matter how but all are connected to others...

A small example of this unity can be shown OURSELVES. As a humanbeing
we are aWHOLE within our flesh-cage,all our cells are in connection
with each other,all our liquid and solid parts of our body ,they all
have in contact for their target!!! Their target is to keep going, we
call it LIFE...When we talk a smakk word to ourselves within our
brains, this goes to the all interested parts to our body, in such a
way that,it has an effect within our acts whether positive or
negatively, depending on the way how we had used it...


At first glance this connection can not be realized, but later on their
relation reveals itself. This is the UNIFICATION I am talking about...

Yoga is a tool, like all the other tools.I do try to apply yoga as
PATANJALI has put it forth...

If you do apply yoga in some other way, I certainly would enjoy to hear
about it...

The MINDFULNES I am talking about can be summarized like this...

There is a certain aspect regarding yoga, in fact yoga is a tool to
understand the wholeness i am talking about, but to use this valuable
tool, we have to learn its rules
and its methods...As everybody i do accept this thruth...But yoga is a
tool anyway,
it is not a coke, or a sweet. How ever we might enjoy yoga when we use
itwhile we are trying to realize whatever is our subject matter...In my
case I try to use it to understand my deep being, and to see the
relations exist within the WHOLENESS..

Respectfully,

Puma

hbkta@aol.com

2006-03-22, 4:05 pm


puma wrote:
> Hi h...:
>
> I love the way you argue...I love the way you understand issues...
>
> However I see that how unsatisfying my exlanations that need all
> clarification...
>
> Let me try what i understand from UNITY,When I talk about unity,
> certainly I am referring all the existing entity


"all the existing entity" by this do you mean, individual organism, or
a biosphere, or whole earth or whole galaxy, whole universe, all of
creation?

> whether it is
> Reducible into an inert matter or into any type of measurable
> energy... If we can not measure the thing we are talking about,it is
> hard to accept its existence...
>
> To be exist, we have to measure it by some means ...Even our ideas to
> be exist ,they need to be measurable by some sort...Otherwise how one
> can argue anything if it does not give any measurable trace!
>
> So whatever exists within the space,including our thoughts as I have
> tried to explain above constitute THE WHOLENESS, or UNITY . In this
> unity everything has some sort of relation to the others,this might be
> their physical, psychological,nerological ,but allways a sort of
> effect...No matter how but all are connected to others...
>
> A small example of this unity can be shown OURSELVES. As a humanbeing
> we are aWHOLE within our flesh-cage,all our cells are in connection
> with each other,all our liquid and solid parts of our body ,they all
> have in contact for their target!!! Their target is to keep going, we
> call it LIFE...When we talk a smakk word to ourselves within our
> brains, this goes to the all interested parts to our body, in such a
> way that,it has an effect within our acts whether positive or
> negatively, depending on the way how we had used it...


agreed, thoughts influence physical being, just as aspects of physical
being influence thoughts, .... interactive feedback loops which can be
altered at any point in the loop effecting changes down the line.

>
>
> At first glance this connection can not be realized, but later on their
> relation reveals itself. This is the UNIFICATION I am talking about...
>
> Yoga is a tool, like all the other tools.I do try to apply yoga as
> PATANJALI has put it forth...
>
> If you do apply yoga in some other way, I certainly would enjoy to hear
> about it...
>
> The MINDFULNES I am talking about can be summarized like this...
>
> There is a certain aspect regarding yoga, in fact yoga is a tool to
> understand the wholeness i am talking about, but to use this valuable
> tool, we have to learn its rules
> and its methods...As everybody i do accept this thruth...But yoga is a
> tool anyway,
> it is not a coke, or a sweet. How ever we might enjoy yoga when we use
> itwhile we are trying to realize whatever is our subject matter...In my
> case I try to use it to understand my deep being, and to see the
> relations exist within the WHOLENESS..
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Puma


hbkta@aol.com

2006-03-22, 4:05 pm


moon wrote:
> hbkta@aol.com wrote:
>
>
>
> the idea was just to demonstrate that your frustrated/inquiring post
> was the most inteligent ....
>


I understood that, that you were indicating similarity of my post to
that of the turtle lady.

just for clarification there was no frustration and not much inquiring
in my post, just a fun look at what sometimes happens "jnanis" that get
caught up in what is inevitably an endless and sometimes pointless
pursuit.
"vanity of vanities, all is vanity and vexation of spirit"

> inquiring....bulbs all way down....(or up)....
>
> enlightment, reincarnation, perhaps?
>
> -----------------
>
> in the end the old lady was demonstrating the same...which is a better
> perpective than the famous scientist, who was very self-confident about
> Truth...
>
> who knows Truth?
>
> ------------------
>
> but considering you love turtles:


again, I was having fun, the turtles I was refering to are made of
chocolate.

"mmmmmmmmm ........ I love turtles!!" is a line out of the
advertizing.

> here's a link with beatiful turtles photos:
>
> http://www.tortugamarina.com/galler..._identificacio2


puma

2006-03-22, 4:05 pm

Hi h..:

It is whole Universe, if one states all of the creation, this exclude
the CREATOR.
When I state WHOLE, everything whatever exist...

Thanks,

Puma

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