Yoga - Freedom of speech and BLASPHEME

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Freedom of speech and BLASPHEME

puma

2006-02-25, 9:31 pm

For some people, I think freedom of speech means blasheme! These people
defend their thoughts and acts...But they forget to be respectfull for
others` beliefs and holy seen values.

Some people are liars ,so they might talk untruth here, there, and
everywhere...Does this mean
freedom of speech?

People really should deem over it...

With compassion,

Puma

Dave K

2006-02-25, 9:31 pm

puma wrote:
> For some people, I think freedom of speech means blasheme! These people
> defend their thoughts and acts...But they forget to be respectfull for
> others` beliefs and holy seen values.
>
>
> Some people are liars ,so they might talk untruth here, there, and
> everywhere...Does this mean
> freedom of speech?
>
> People really should deem over it...
>
> With compassion,
>
> Puma

There are two aspects to any freedom.

#1 you have the freedom to do such and such

#2 you have to be able to tolerate others doing such and such

So:

#1: I can lie, smear, blashpheme, and make stuff up (within certain
restrictions with regards to slander, security, SEC regulations etc).

#2 You have to put up with it but...

#1 You have the right to tell me that I'm a liar, blashpemer, and full
of shit which I

#2 Have to put up with.

So if somebody wants to be disrespectful, that's their right, but they
have to accept the consequences as a result of the right to free speech
that YOU also have.

lilashi

2006-02-25, 9:31 pm

Dear puma
This post that you send obviously a protest what happened a few days
ago in the western newspapers...What happened was a shame but on the
same time the results was very very interesting...I never seen anybody
burning flags when thousands of people were killed on the name of
protesting some countries( do you want me to tell which countries this
were ? )...I also never seen burning flags when a women in some
countries were shot on their head! raped!killed! on the name of beliefs
& religion!But I have seen people burning flags two days ago for
protesting some countries -not the newspapers - So can someone tell me
where is BEING RESPECTFUL kind of illusion in here ? There is no
respect ...And also there is no real human way of thinking also.Why
people does not protest real unrespectful things but they can burn flag
on the name of holy things...When I compare raped , burned , shot ,
killed women , killed kidnapped children & men to being disrespectful
to holy things , tell me : which one is holy? religion or human being ?
So what we protest & how we protest also is very importand on the name
of being human...Can you tell me what is HOLY?
I think what happened two days ago was very tragic but it was not as
tragic as
people who had been killed on the name of holy things...
Well , in my opinion western newspapers are doing such things just to
annoy some people, they are breaking the ethic rules of their jobs and
also being very disrespectful to different beliefs and holy things...
In the world there are many people and also many beliefs and many
different perception but this does not mean one has to DESTROY others
way of life...
This seems like a cause & effect...Someone has to stop...
Remember we also seen people has been burned because they were
different, they were not disrespectful , they were HUMAN with different
way of belief ...Instead of burning flags why HUMAN king does not burn
the bad memories? Instead of killing living things why they do not kill
harmful thoughts ?
Are we going to be able to do this ?
.............................

I have seen the same faces , same anger and hate on tv's during two
days while the flags were burned as I have seen the same hate , same
anger years and years ago while the place were burned and outside of
this place people were dancing, spittig with JOY! and people in the
place were burning....
Shall we compare which one is disrespectful ?
Sometimes the ones who suffers has to do nothing but wait & see...
I 'm not really feeling anything for what happened on the western
journals...Neither I feel anything for the people who were burning
flags and reflecting hate because I have seen the hate before ...This
people mean nothing to me.

lilashi

2006-02-25, 9:31 pm

I want to correct a part on my post
it is not HUMAN king
it is HUMAN kind

Don

2006-02-25, 9:31 pm

On Sat, 04 Feb 2006 14:00:34 -0800, lilashi <lilashi@hotmail.com> wrote:

[trim]
> This seems like a cause & effect...Someone has to stop...
> Remember we also seen people has been burned because they were
> different, they were not disrespectful , they were HUMAN with different
> way of belief ...Instead of burning flags why HUMAN kind does not burn
> the bad memories? Instead of killing living things why they do not kill
> harmful thoughts ?
> Are we going to be able to do this ?
> ............................
>
[trim to end]

Lalla (Lalleshvari) said:

Do not see each other as Hindus and Muslims;
the sun shines on all equally.

In the end, what are such labels worth? If we are not human, we are
nothing. If I do something cruel, hateful, or inhumane to another, I am
doing it to myself, and in the process killing off my own humanity.

--Don

lilashi

2006-02-25, 9:33 pm

In some countries there are big hindrance of freedom of speech...But
this situation only counts for the people who has got not enough power
to revolt with in the LAW. What is freedom of speech if you have no
chance of being right ,if you use your freedom of speech right.
So you make a choice either you use your freedom of speech right and
just face the people in everywhere with in the Goverment offices,any
official place when your right has been attact by them and you are
misinformed , excluded and killed slowly but surely by the otority.
So if your job is being teacher,you should first know what you
teach,second is beheave as teacher and third teach as teacher.
If your job is even to do simple thing as registration for the
university exam , you can not really make mistake in your simple
job.Even if you are a teacher and you accept a simple job as this.
Instead of saying ; sorry I forgot to give you an official appointment
long days ago and you waited,you came to the school waited 2 hours
while I was busy making registration of other girls and boys cause I 'm
blind can not see who waited more then other...And even if I didnt care
about this I was so rude to you by saying computers is not working and
its working in the evening better as if you are in the school making
registration during evening time.And you say me to come again just to
take appointment a week later on 27.02.2006 but still no registration
of my papers for the university exam.And when I say then I better come
28.02.2006 cause I can not come on 27th. you just look at my face with
a silly look.
Why dont you say sorry I m very disrespectful to my job
So if I say this to the face of the teachers they may hate me, or as
they have done they did not register my papers cause I have my freedom
of speech with in the law of mt country.And I m suffering for the
results...