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Reincarnation ended by ribonucleic acid.
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| Reincarnation is a hindu belief. And one needs to have a soul for
reincarnation. Rebirth however is a Buddhist view, indicating only
every action will give an result accordingly... In Buddhism there is no
attachment,no permenance,no soul, and consequently no personal rebirth
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However the scientific studies have put an end to reincarnation...
Because ribonucleic acid is a sort of
messenger from our ancestors. Genes of our ancestors, who lived
hundreds of years before us, are coded by these ribonucleic acids and
sometimes these codes are opened. and the child can easily reads
his/her ancestors` memories... This act of memory readings are called
as reincarnations.
This is so proven by science, if any body cares what ribosome is,he/she
can reach it easily...So it is not reincarnation, it is the act of
ribonucleic reading of our ancestors` memories...
With compassion,
Puma
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| hbkta@aol.com 2006-10-05, 4:28 pm |
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puma wrote:
> Reincarnation is a hindu belief. And one needs to have a soul for
> reincarnation. Rebirth however is a Buddhist view, indicating only
> every action will give an result accordingly... In Buddhism there is no
> attachment,no permenance,no soul, and consequently no personal rebirth
> !
>
> However the scientific studies have put an end to reincarnation...
> Because ribonucleic acid is a sort of
> messenger from our ancestors. Genes of our ancestors, who lived
> hundreds of years before us, are coded by these ribonucleic acids and
> sometimes these codes are opened. and the child can easily reads
> his/her ancestors` memories... This act of memory readings are called
> as reincarnations.
>
there is one problem with ribonucleic acid as basis for reincarnation
memories: no memeories from ancestors would exist past the birth of
last child of any woman since ribonucleic acid cannot pass on memories
after conception of the individual in utero.
So most memeories of death, old age etc would have to be considered
totally false. For the most part, all memories of past life would end
at oldest in middle age, and more often than not in young adult hood,
ie child bearing years. Although, you could have "old man" memories but
no old womb-man memories.
The acid also does not address the examples of given in other post
where memories are of recent past life with no genetic relationship to
the "ancestor."
> This is so proven by science, if any body cares what ribosome is,he/she
> can reach it easily...So it is not reincarnation, it is the act of
> ribonucleic reading of our ancestors` memories...
>
> With compassion,
>
> Puma
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hbkta@aol.com wrote:
> puma wrote:
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> there is one problem with ribonucleic acid as basis for reincarnation
> memories: no memeories from ancestors would exist past the birth of
> last child of any woman since ribonucleic acid cannot pass on memories
> after conception of the individual in utero.
> So most memeories of death, old age etc would have to be considered
> totally false. For the most part, all memories of past life would end
> at oldest in middle age, and more often than not in young adult hood,
> ie child bearing years. Although, you could have "old man" memories but
> no old womb-man memories.
> The acid also does not address the examples of given in other post
> where memories are of recent past life with no genetic relationship to
> the "ancestor."
>
Hi Hbkta,
I am sorry I could not get even one word what you are trying to say.
What makes the problem ?
It would help if you try again to express your objection and if
possible some examples might help to make yourselve clear.
Puma
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| hbkta@aol.com 2006-10-05, 9:30 pm |
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puma wrote:
> hbkta@aol.com wrote:
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> Hi Hbkta,
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> I am sorry I could not get even one word what you are trying to say.
> What makes the problem ?
OK
if memeories are passed on via ribonucleic acid, how is the acid passed
on from parent to child. only throgh sex act which results in
conception, ie egg fertizization and resultant sequence of events.Can
the acid pass on memories of events which occur after conception? NO.
only ancestor memories up to time of conception can be passed on. So no
memories of woman past child bearing years, ie once woman is no longer
having ripe eggs, once woman stops producing eggs, is possible. old
man memories are possible because men produce viable sperm into old
age, and so could in theory pass them on to offspring. and thus old man
memories.
but "personal" memories of previous death are not possible since death
prevents any passing on of the sperm or egg and ribonucleic acid
contained therein.
and as well the ribonucleic acid theory does not address in any way the
examples cited in the other thread, (ie scientific basis of
reincarnation) where the memories are not of ancestors at all but of
genetically unrelated individuals.
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> It would help if you try again to express your objection and if
> possible some examples might help to make yourselve clear.
>
> Puma
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| omjaroo 2006-10-06, 2:33 am |
| Puma,
To me there are two distinct problems with any argument against
reincarnation.
1. The 1st law of thermo-dynamics: Conservation of Energy. That is,
energy can neither be created nor destroyed. That humans are in part
made up of a non-physical psychic energy is undeniable.
2. Saints and sages through out history have said there is
reincarnation. This is enough "evidence". To believe or wish otherwise
to me is simply silly :-)
Jared
o
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| roastfreesteel@yahoo.com 2006-10-06, 8:27 am |
| People often remember their deaths. This information could not be
genetically carried on because their children were conceived, dear God
in most cases, please, well before they were killed. I remember past
life deaths. The rough parts often stand out first, then come memories
that are more pleasant.
puma wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
> hbkta@aol.com wrote:
>
> Hi Hbkta,
>
> I am sorry I could not get even one word what you are trying to say.
> What makes the problem ?
>
> It would help if you try again to express your objection and if
> possible some examples might help to make yourselve clear.
>
> Puma
>
>
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| omjaroo wrote:
> Puma,
>
> To me there are two distinct problems with any argument against
> reincarnation.
>
> 1. The 1st law of thermo-dynamics: Conservation of Energy. That is,
> energy can neither be created nor destroyed. That humans are in part
> made up of a non-physical psychic energy is undeniable.
>
> 2. Saints and sages through out history have said there is
> reincarnation. This is enough "evidence". To believe or wish otherwise
> to me is simply silly :-)
>
> Jared
> o
> ^
Jared,
You are right on your first argument with a small exception.
Ribonucleic acid ,ribosems are messengers in regard with DNA.
Conservation of energy in other words are helping the same idea... In
the same way,-- non-physical psychic energy--
is impossible...Because psychic energy is a product of physical energy,
a sort of CHANGE
OF ENERGY...Again this is due to your CONSERVATION OF ENERGY...
In your second argument I am surprised. Surprised because it does not
fit a JNANY YOGY.
(Saints and sages through out history) is just a illogical
argument...We all know many saints and sages in history that all have
forwarded their believers into a very WRONG directions...So this small
evidence clearly indicates Saints and sages do not help us to find the
TRUTH.
In other words, TRUTH can not be found by a belief... TRUTH can only be
found by our personal search and experiments...That is the only reason
why in schools experiments are deemed very substancial...
"""If one believes,,, that means he/she does not know,,,if one knows,,,
that means he/she does not believe """ This is the rule to be near to
the TRUTH...
Belief and Knowledge can not be saved at the same cup,,, if is there
any cup of this sort,,,
one of these concepts might be leaking without having our
mindfulness...
Love and peace upon all of us,
Puma
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hbkta@aol.com wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
> puma wrote:
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> OK
>
> if memeories are passed on via ribonucleic acid, how is the acid passed
> on from parent to child. only throgh sex act which results in
> conception, ie egg fertizization and resultant sequence of events.Can
> the acid pass on memories of events which occur after conception? NO.
> only ancestor memories up to time of conception can be passed on. So no
> memories of woman past child bearing years, ie once woman is no longer
> having ripe eggs, once woman stops producing eggs, is possible. old
> man memories are possible because men produce viable sperm into old
> age, and so could in theory pass them on to offspring. and thus old man
> memories.
> but "personal" memories of previous death are not possible since death
> prevents any passing on of the sperm or egg and ribonucleic acid
> contained therein.
>
> and as well the ribonucleic acid theory does not address in any way the
> examples cited in the other thread, (ie scientific basis of
> reincarnation) where the memories are not of ancestors at all but of
> genetically unrelated individuals.
>
Hi HBKTA,
In regard with """ where the memories are not of ancestors at all but
of
genetically unrelated individuals."""
This is avery tricky event... It is tricky because it only happens in a
particular place, say in ADANA in Turkey for instance, because there
are families living here belonging to a special
sect...This sect members are growing with the same sort of stories say,
who was who all unrelated individuals,,,but they always belong to the
same sect and same geografic area...
For each kid this is a must,,,he/she should show this act,,,it is
always a sort of expected
event..So these kids,,try to find someone who has passed away a few
years ago, so he/she can easily may follow these death persons` all
abouts...This is also a proven reality,,by stating proven, I am
indicating this TRICKY BELIEF... That is very simple one, years ago
some parapsychologists came and made a research on this area and this
tricky situation is known now...
With compassion,
Puma
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| roastfreesteel@yahoo.com 2006-10-07, 2:29 am |
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bothi wrote:
> Hi HBKTA,
>
> In regard with """ where the memories are not of ancestors at all but
> of
> genetically unrelated individuals."""
>
> This is avery tricky event... It is tricky because it only happens in a
> particular place, say in ADANA in Turkey for instance, because there
> are families living here belonging to a special
> sect...
A bit hard to understand what you are saying, what you have written
above is wrong. There are plenty of instances of people remembering
past lives of genetically unrelated individuals and these are not
restricted to certain sects. My own experiences and other I know and
cases written about in the literature of reincarnation.
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"puma" <sesli.atbisey@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1160063805.744870.247380@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Reincarnation is a hindu belief. And one needs to have a soul for
> reincarnation. Rebirth however is a Buddhist view, indicating only
> every action will give an result accordingly... In Buddhism there is no
> attachment,no permenance,no soul, and consequently no personal rebirth
> !
>
in buddhism, the karma of an individual which
got stored on death into the storehouse consciousness, and created
another individual. these two individuals are related by the karmic
thread, referred to as reincarnation. there are hundreds of stories of
the past lives of the buddha.
> However the scientific studies have put an end to reincarnation...
> Because ribonucleic acid is a sort of
> messenger from our ancestors. Genes of our ancestors, who lived
> hundreds of years before us, are coded by these ribonucleic acids and
> sometimes these codes are opened. and the child can easily reads
> his/her ancestors` memories... This act of memory readings are called
> as reincarnations.
>
> This is so proven by science, if any body cares what ribosome is,he/she
> can reach it easily...So it is not reincarnation, it is the act of
> ribonucleic reading of our ancestors` memories...
>
there is no such proof in science. the case of brain memories (a many-neuron
phenomena) being encoded in RNA is very flaky. in any case this only
accounts for reincarnation as one's own descendant.
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| roastfreesteel@yahoo.com 2006-10-07, 8:26 am |
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puma wrote:
> Ribonucleic acid ,ribosems are messengers in regard with DNA.
Sorry, it just can't be ribonucleic acid. No one would remember their
deaths. You are a Lamarkian. an odd one, but just a wrong. I
conceive a child with my wife, leave home and die in a war. amazingly
enough 10 generations later someone remembers going through that death.
How? The RNA my child received did not have that information.
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| Charles E Hardwidge 2006-10-07, 8:26 am |
| > there is no such proof in science. the case of brain memories (a
> many-neuron
> phenomena) being encoded in RNA is very flaky. in any case this only
> accounts for reincarnation as one's own descendant.
I think, there's a certain amount of rationalisation going on here, with
some retrofitting of hazy and inconclusive science to existing beliefs. So
much for thowing off ego and getting real. Weekend warriors.
--
Charles E. Hardwidge
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| hbkta@aol.com 2006-10-16, 2:31 am |
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bothi wrote:
> hbkta@aol.com wrote:
>
> Hi HBKTA,
>
> In regard with """ where the memories are not of ancestors at all but
> of
> genetically unrelated individuals."""
>
> This is avery tricky event... It is tricky because it only happens in a
> particular place, say in ADANA in Turkey for instance, because there
> are families living here belonging to a special
> sect...This sect members are growing with the same sort of stories say,
> who was who all unrelated individuals,,,but they always belong to the
> same sect and same geografic area...
> For each kid this is a must,,,he/she should show this act,,,it is
> always a sort of expected
> event..So these kids,,try to find someone who has passed away a few
> years ago, so he/she can easily may follow these death persons` all
> abouts...This is also a proven reality,,by stating proven, I am
> indicating this TRICKY BELIEF... That is very simple one, years ago
> some parapsychologists came and made a research on this area and this
> tricky situation is known now...
>
> With compassion,
>
> Puma
If I understand your example correctly I must dissagree with your
conclusion.
the investigators did not find that past life memories can only be
passed on via direct genetic lineage. They found that in a culture
where it is expected that one will remember past life experiences, many
individuals will get creative and imagine past life events that are in
fact not their memories at all, but rather the result of social and
cultural preasures to be "normal". and in the case you cite "normal"
means "remembering" past life or lives.
you ribonucleic acid theory cannot explain such examples, if true, as
these:
http://www.childpastlives.org/swarnlata.htm
http://www.childpastlives.org/titu.htm
http://www.childpastlives.org/dalailama.htm
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