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| sisifus 2006-10-05, 8:31 am |
| Hallo
Sitting between the legs. If you cannot manage bringing
your hip on the ground between the legs. What muscles
prevent one to do that? Or is the cause an unfavourable form of the hip and
legs for this asana?
This simhasana can hurt your knees?.
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| Richard Corfield 2006-10-05, 8:31 am |
| On 2006-10-05, sisifus <joopes@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hallo
> Sitting between the legs. If you cannot manage bringing
> your hip on the ground between the legs. What muscles
> prevent one to do that? Or is the cause an unfavourable form of the hip and
> legs for this asana?
> This simhasana can hurt your knees?.
Looking at the picture on Yoga Journal brought a smile to my face!
http://www.yogajournal.com/poses/1705.cfm
It looks like Hero Pose. Reading the text shows the difference which is
not visible in the picture. The feet point outwards not back or inwards.
I was reading in Mukunda's Yoga Therapy book that kneeling with feet
outwards can stress the knees a bit. He recommends very strongly that
if the space inwards of the knee caps hurts you should stop immediately
as that space has no muscle protection. Pain in the joints themselves
is also a problem.
I wonder if normal Virasana (Hero Pose) would be better for the knee
flexibility allowing you to sit downwards towards the floor before trying
turning the feet out. I was taught to start out sitting on my ankles in
this, then work to sitting between my feet as shown:
http://www.yogajournal.com/poses/490.cfm
You can still pull the face and hand positions :-) I suspect (also from
reading the text) they're quite serious in intent.
- Richard
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| sisifus 2006-10-05, 4:28 pm |
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"Richard Corfield" <Richard.Corfield@gmail.com> schreef in bericht
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> On 2006-10-05, sisifus <joopes@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> This simhasana can hurt your knees?.
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> Looking at the picture on Yoga Journal brought a smile to my face!
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> http://www.yogajournal.com/poses/1705.cfm
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Sorry I made a mistake. After all I meant VIRASANA.
Why itīs difficult for some persons to perform this asana?
I suppose they have also problems with squatting.
I cannot imagine what muscles prevent performing this
virasana in a proper way.
thanks for answer
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sisifus wrote:
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> Sorry I made a mistake. After all I meant VIRASANA.
> Why it=B4s difficult for some persons to perform this asana?
> I suppose they have also problems with squatting.
> I cannot imagine what muscles prevent performing this
> virasana in a proper way.
> thanks for answer
Very easy to answer ,,,
If one muscle is not used,by time it gets a sort of shortage or
shrincage...
Thats it...If one tries slowly to use any muscle then it starts to
elongate...
With compassion,
Puma
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| sisifus 2006-10-05, 9:30 pm |
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sisifus wrote:
> "Richard Corfield" <Richard.Corfield@gmail.com> schreef in bericht
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> 3^
> Sorry I made a mistake. After all I meant VIRASANA.
> Why itīs difficult for some persons to perform this asana?
> I suppose they have also problems with squatting.
> I cannot imagine what muscles prevent performing this
> virasana in a proper way.
> thanks for answer
Very easy to answer ,,,
If one muscle is not used,by time it gets a sort of shortage or
shrincage...
Thats it...If one tries slowly to use any muscle then it starts to
elongate...
With compassion,
Puma
Thanks but by now I realise that it is not only a question
of elongating the muscles concerned, in for instance opening
the hips. In Virasana and other asanas opening the hips itīs also
important how the tighbone is placed in the hip. Maybe itīs
better not to perform this asanaīs in perfection because one
will damage important joints if your hip looks stiff and you
think one can ignore that because it is a matter of elongating
the muscles concerned.
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| On 2006-10-05 16:19:51 -0700, "sisifus" <joopes@hotmail.com> said:
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> Thanks but by now I realise that it is not only a question
> of elongating the muscles concerned, in for instance opening
> the hips. In Virasana and other asanas opening the hips itīs also
> important how the tighbone is placed in the hip. Maybe itīs
> better not to perform this asanaīs in perfection because one
> will damage important joints if your hip looks stiff and you
> think one can ignore that because it is a matter of elongating
> the muscles concerne
The reason your butt won't make it to the floor is because the femur
head is not rotating freely in the hip socket. Virasana forces and
extreme internal rotation of the femurs. This is a good thing, it
allows the tail bone space to tuck in.
However if you force the pose there is a good chance you will pull the
knee joint. Remember: The knees are only protected from extreme
twists if they are at a 90 degree angle.
Try sitting on some folded blankets or a block. With practice you
should be able to lower the props as the hip socket releases.
If you sit in the car or an office chair you are tightening this part
of the hip joint. Virasana is an excellent asana to relieve this
tightness.
Also notice how Lotus (Padmasana) creates the opposite femur rotation.
All asanas are done to perfection if you are giving them your complete
mindfulness.
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~Stu
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| Richard Corfield 2006-10-07, 8:26 am |
| On 2006-10-07, Stu <Nospam@towel.com> wrote:
> If you sit in the car or an office chair you are tightening this part
> of the hip joint. Virasana is an excellent asana to relieve this
> tightness.
Related to this, what about sitting on one of those big balls in the
office instead of a chair? I'm finding it's helping the back and general
posture as I have to sit up on it. I also find interesting habits that
I don't notice on the chair such as rocking side to side when thinking
about particularly tricky problems. Can also do a good forward bend by
just rolling back on it keeping hold of the desk.
> Also notice how Lotus (Padmasana) creates the opposite femur rotation.
Now to be able to do that on the office chair ;-) Ours have downward
tilt at the front which makes them easier than the floor to sit cross
legged on.
Can Lotus cause problems in the outer knee? Best stick to Bound Angle
and simple cross legged at first.
Lotus on the fitness ball - hmmmmm, interesting 
- Richard
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_/_/ _/ _/ Time is a one way street, .
_/ _/ _/_/ _/_/_/ except in the Twilight Zone 3^
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| On 2006-10-07 01:10:13 -0700, Richard Corfield
<Richard.Corfield@gmail.com> said:
> On 2006-10-07, Stu <Nospam@towel.com> wrote:
>
> Related to this, what about sitting on one of those big balls in the
> office instead of a chair? I'm finding it's helping the back and general
> posture as I have to sit up on it. I also find interesting habits that
> I don't notice on the chair such as rocking side to side when thinking
> about particularly tricky problems.
Yes. By not having a back on the chair you are forcing the supporting
muscles of the spine to work. At first this may cause some soreness,
but with time the muscles get stronger.
Also rolling around on the ball massages the glutes and their
relatives. This keeps blood flow moving. Sitting stationary all day
effectively pinches off the movement of fluids as they try to move down
the backside.
> Can also do a good forward bend by
> just rolling back on it keeping hold of the desk.
That is a variation of malasana.
>
>
> Now to be able to do that on the office chair ;-) Ours have downward
> tilt at the front which makes them easier than the floor to sit cross
> legged on.
>
> Can Lotus cause problems in the outer knee?
Yes. It should never be forced.
> Best stick to Bound Angle
> and simple cross legged at first.
>
> Lotus on the fitness ball - hmmmmm, interesting
>
> - Richard
I have my computer on a tall desk. I stand up.
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~Stu
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| sisifus 2006-10-07, 9:35 pm |
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"Stu" <Nospam@towel.com> schreef in bericht
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> On 2006-10-05 16:19:51 -0700, "sisifus" <joopes@hotmail.com> said:
>
>
> The reason your butt won't make it to the floor is because the femur
> head is not rotating freely in the hip socket. Virasana forces and
> extreme internal rotation of the femurs. This is a good thing, it
> allows the tail bone space to tuck in.
Thanks
So x-legs or o-legs or leglength difference have nothing to do with this
and one cannot dislocate anything rotating the femur in the hipsocket?
Itīs only a question of exercise and itsīs beneficial? Actually a
femur thight in a hip socket is not a good thing?
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| On 2006-10-07 14:33:05 -0700, "sisifus" <joopes@hotmail.com> said:
> s
> So x-legs or o-legs or leglength difference have nothing to do with this
> and one cannot dislocate anything rotating the femur in the hipsocket?
It would be possible to pull a muscle if you over-rotated the leg. I
suspect you would feel a great deal of discomfort long before you did
real damage though.
As long as you challenge the hip socket slowly, watching the breath,
and staying relaxed, it's a healthy stretch.
> Itīs only a question of exercise and itsīs beneficial? Actually a
> femur thight in a hip socket is not a good thing.
No, its not good to have tight hip muscles. If they are too tight
there is a tendency to tilt the pelvis forward. This is a great strain
on the spine and eventually will lead to a back condition. If you
watch very old people walk you can see how tight hips cause short steps
and a hunched over posture.
On the other hand, watch a dancer walk. Usually they have very loose
hips. Their posture will be straight and their steps light and full.
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~Stu
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| sisifus 2006-10-08, 4:29 pm |
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"Stu" <Nospam@towel.com> schreef in bericht
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> On 2006-10-07 14:33:05 -0700, "sisifus" <joopes@hotmail.com> said:
>
>
> It would be possible to pull a muscle if you over-rotated the leg. I
> suspect you would feel a great deal of discomfort long before you did
> real damage though.
>
> As long as you challenge the hip socket slowly, watching the breath,
> and staying relaxed, it's a healthy stretch.
>
>
> No, its not good to have tight hip muscles. If they are too tight
> there is a tendency to tilt the pelvis forward. This is a great strain
> on the spine and eventually will lead to a back condition. If you
> watch very old people walk you can see how tight hips cause short steps
> and a hunched over posture.
>
> On the other hand, watch a dancer walk. Usually they have very loose
> hips. Their posture will be straight and their steps light and full.
> --
> ~Stu
Thanks,
I understand that flexible hips are a good thing. I have no problem
belly-dancing but I have a problem with virasana . There is a considerable
distance between my butts and the ground and it donīt feel comfor
tably. I donīt care thatīs the case . I only wanted to know the anatomical
problem. I will study the working of the hip and especially the sockets
more.
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