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| yogini 2005-12-29, 11:00 am |
| would somebody NOT turn off their cell phone when it starts to ring
during class? I understand forgetting to turn it off before class;
I've accidentally done that myself. And I understand not wanting to
climb over 20 bodies to get to the jacket rack to find your phone and
turn it off. But as disruptive as that would be, it's definitely MORE
disruptive to hear your phone ring repeatedly when I'm in revolved
triangle. And again during dolphin-up-the-wall. BTW, how does your
kid manage to finish dialing the precise second I'm lifting my second
leg off the floor? That's really freaky.
If anyone here knows why somebody would do this, please explain it to
me. I really don't get it and if there exists a legitimate reason to
let your phone disrupt the class, it will make me less likely to whomp
the offender should this happen again. I realize that violence is not
yogic, but seriously, this kind of behavior may merit it.
Signed, a rather grumpy,
Anna
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yogini wrote:
> would somebody NOT turn off their cell phone when it starts to ring
> during class? I understand forgetting to turn it off before class;
> I've accidentally done that myself. And I understand not wanting to
> climb over 20 bodies to get to the jacket rack to find your phone and
> turn it off. But as disruptive as that would be, it's definitely MORE
> disruptive to hear your phone ring repeatedly when I'm in revolved
> triangle. And again during dolphin-up-the-wall. BTW, how does your
> kid manage to finish dialing the precise second I'm lifting my second
> leg off the floor? That's really freaky.
>
> If anyone here knows why somebody would do this, please explain it to
> me. I really don't get it and if there exists a legitimate reason to
> let your phone disrupt the class, it will make me less likely to whomp
> the offender should this happen again. I realize that violence is not
> yogic, but seriously, this kind of behavior may merit it.
>
> Signed, a rather grumpy,
> Anna
My yoga class has not ANY cell phone.... That's against the RULES....
Perhaps you could propose something like that...
But I have something that disturbes me, by the end of class.
During YOGA NIDRA, there are people that begin SNORING....
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| howdydave 2005-12-29, 11:00 am |
| Howdy moon!
If it is a relaxation period snoring isn't necessarily a bad thing!
A person snoring may just be a sign that somebody laying on their back
has relaxed the face and throat muscles enough for them to snore.
I've done it myself -- wide awake!!
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| Howdy!
LOL
yes....
the perspective of the guy is SNORING.....
ok
one thing is good:
he got relaxed...
but something is wrong with him:
he has a problem with breathing....
I feel that the SNORING pattern of breathing is something that is not
good...
they should practice more pranayama
(don't you think so?)
Yoga nidra can be considered a meditation.
So, meditate with an akward type of breathing, is no good, isn't it?
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| NBennett 2005-12-29, 11:00 am |
| maybe she thought she could pretend it wasn't her phone by not looking at
it, not touching it. ie too embarrassed to admit she'd forgotten to turn it
off. i've forgotten to turn mine off, never had the misfortune to have
someone call me during class. i have remembered part way through class and
gone to turn it off, hoping to avoid disturbing everyone, but instead,
disturbed them with the little ditty my phone plays when it turns off. i've
been in classes where phones have rung. the owner always leaps up and turns
it off immediately. if people were pissed off, it never showed. the class
carried on. i'm pretty forgiving about noise during classes. my first few
months of classes were in downtown toronto, across the street from a
hardrock radio station that played into the street whatever they were
playing on the air, and frequently hosted parties. combine that noise with
the sirens, honking car horns, and screaming shopping crowds and it was
pretty noisy. my teacher told us it would aid us with our
concentration/focus to tune it all out and pay attention to our breathing,
our bodies and the instruction. so true.
maybe next time just say 'could someone turn that off please'. set the
protocol for ringing phones in class.
nancy
"yogini" <anna.blaine@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1135844135.393924.100390@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> would somebody NOT turn off their cell phone when it starts to ring
> during class? I understand forgetting to turn it off before class;
> I've accidentally done that myself. And I understand not wanting to
> climb over 20 bodies to get to the jacket rack to find your phone and
> turn it off. But as disruptive as that would be, it's definitely MORE
> disruptive to hear your phone ring repeatedly when I'm in revolved
> triangle. And again during dolphin-up-the-wall. BTW, how does your
> kid manage to finish dialing the precise second I'm lifting my second
> leg off the floor? That's really freaky.
>
> If anyone here knows why somebody would do this, please explain it to
> me. I really don't get it and if there exists a legitimate reason to
> let your phone disrupt the class, it will make me less likely to whomp
> the offender should this happen again. I realize that violence is not
> yogic, but seriously, this kind of behavior may merit it.
>
> Signed, a rather grumpy,
> Anna
>
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| Wade Humeniuk 2005-12-29, 12:57 pm |
| yogini wrote:
> would somebody NOT turn off their cell phone when it starts to ring
> during class? I understand forgetting to turn it off before class;
> I've accidentally done that myself. And I understand not wanting to
> climb over 20 bodies to get to the jacket rack to find your phone and
> turn it off. But as disruptive as that would be, it's definitely MORE
> disruptive to hear your phone ring repeatedly when I'm in revolved
> triangle. And again during dolphin-up-the-wall. BTW, how does your
> kid manage to finish dialing the precise second I'm lifting my second
> leg off the floor? That's really freaky.
>
> If anyone here knows why somebody would do this, please explain it to
> me. I really don't get it and if there exists a legitimate reason to
> let your phone disrupt the class, it will make me less likely to whomp
> the offender should this happen again. I realize that violence is not
> yogic, but seriously, this kind of behavior may merit it.
>
> Signed, a rather grumpy,
> Anna
>
Maybe the person is deaf, or they have put plugs in their ears, or
they simply do not hear it, or they have tinitus, or they simply
do not care. Until you talk to the specific person about it it will
remain a mystery.
Wade
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| omjaroo 2005-12-31, 1:05 am |
| One of the things I have learned in yoga is:
I am in charge of learning and practicing the development of
equanimity.
It is not any person, place or thing's responsibility not to disturb
me, it is my responsibility not to allow myself to be disturbed.
Often I find it difficult to mind my own business and allow other's to
mind theirs. However my life is much more pleasant when I do :-)
o
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| NBennett 2005-12-31, 11:04 am |
| ok, this is funny. i answered this post the day you posted it. said it had
never happened to me, but that i generally am laid back about noise and
interruptions.
then last night in class, my phone rang! i almost laughed out loud. let me
tell you why i ALMOST didnt move. i thought after 4 rings it would go to
answering service so if i left it, it would be less disruptive than me
leaping across the bodies to turn it off. but after this post, i did the
leaping. i've never had to do this before, and i know that when i turn the
phone off it sings a little song, so i hit "silence ringer" instead, and
went back to my mat. 5 min later it rang AGAIN.
i leaped again, turned it off this time (with its little turn-off song). no
one said a word. they all laughed about it after class.
coincidence? ah but there are no coincidences.
i don't know who called me. was it YOU? trying to make your point?
ok, i'll certainly make more of an effort to remember to turn it off from
now on. lesson learned.
nancy
"yogini" <anna.blaine@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1135844135.393924.100390@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> would somebody NOT turn off their cell phone when it starts to ring
> during class? I understand forgetting to turn it off before class;
> I've accidentally done that myself. And I understand not wanting to
> climb over 20 bodies to get to the jacket rack to find your phone and
> turn it off. But as disruptive as that would be, it's definitely MORE
> disruptive to hear your phone ring repeatedly when I'm in revolved
> triangle. And again during dolphin-up-the-wall. BTW, how does your
> kid manage to finish dialing the precise second I'm lifting my second
> leg off the floor? That's really freaky.
>
> If anyone here knows why somebody would do this, please explain it to
> me. I really don't get it and if there exists a legitimate reason to
> let your phone disrupt the class, it will make me less likely to whomp
> the offender should this happen again. I realize that violence is not
> yogic, but seriously, this kind of behavior may merit it.
>
> Signed, a rather grumpy,
> Anna
>
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| omjaroo 2005-12-31, 12:58 pm |
| >don't know who called me. was it YOU? trying to make your point?
That really is funny :-)
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| yes
she didn't say so, but she has already a siddhi...
when she is practicing yoga nidra or meditating, she pretends to do
some sort of influence on everyone of this thread.... she sort of
influenced someone of your contact list
Who is next?
Jared, perhaps?
Will you ever be disturbed by any sound??????
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| omjaroo 2005-12-31, 6:03 pm |
| >Who is next?
>Jared, perhaps?
>Will you ever be disturbed by any sound??????
I am not sure if this inquiry was directed at me but it's interesting
and reminds me of some of the work I have done along these lines.
First noise exercise concerns my ex-wife. Well actually it starts with
a barking dog. Some years ago I used to live next door to someone who
had a large dog, who barked incessantly. At that time I was challenged
with my physical and emotional reaction to the barking. It was driving
me mad :-) I was contemplating putting an end to it "with extreme
prejudice", as Captain Willard (Apocalypse Now) might say. Anyway
this was not consistent with me or yama/niyama so I had to find another
way to deal with it. First I let go of the idea that I could do
anything about it that was consistent with my nature and moral
disposition. After accepting I couldn't change the situation, I then
just let go and became absorbed in the barking, just letting it flow
through me without trying to resist it. Just listening and listening.
Next I practiced letting go of any attention I was paying the barking.
At some point I didn't even notice the noise anymore and if I did it
didn't upset me.
So some years later when my ex was at the height of her angry/abusive
expression towards me I had a similar challenge. This time there was
not only incessant noise but also a scathing and diabolically vicious
meaning attached to the noise. I had good reason to feel victimized but
that didn't help. In fact it could only make things uglier. I could
do nothing to change this women and I could not leave. So what could I
do? Well, I started to liken the loud and incessant venom issuing from
my wife's mouth to the barking of a dog. In a short time I could
listen to it as if it were any other environmental sound without
becoming personally involved or upset. This allowed me to continue to
stay in the relationship for a year or two longer (in order to protect
the kids).
More recently I had been staying in the back room of a laundromat.
General laundry noise is not that bad for someone practiced at dealing
with noisy environments. However there was particular dryer a couple of
feet from where I slept which had a horrific bearing knock. Unlike the
lulling sound of 60 cycle hum from all the motors, pulleys, belts, this
bearing knock was really loud and intermittent, yet unrelenting. This
provided a real challenge. Using essentially the same process I had in
the past I was able to master my reaction to the noise enough to sleep
soundly through it.
The same goes for meditation. Ever notice how noisy your heart and the
arteries in you temple are? Enough to drive a person nuts :-) In the
early stages of learning to deal with external noise during meditation
the process is essentially the same as described above. It starts with
accepting the noise, not trying to resist it, witnessing it and then
letting it go or withdrawing the senses from it. Yogananda describes
this process thoroughly in "the lessons". It is possible to
withdraw all the senses from noise, hot/cold, pain, etc. But the
process starts with acceptance.
The idea of being in control of whether I am upset by some external
stimulus, be it human, animal or physical, is an uplifting one. I
remember when I thought I was subject to the whims of an ugly,
capricious and sometimes deliberately malicious environment (both
external and internal). None of the noise (or evil) has gone out of
life, I just don't have to go where I used to with it. Likewise I
don't have to get angry (frightened) at inconsiderate drivers,
idiotic people or barking dogs :-)
Jared
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| nice lesson, Jared, you're giving to everyone...
>From time to time I manage to do like you, other times I am not able...
I feel that the sound is atacking me....and I pretend to defend myself
actively (wrong way) but there's a limit, when we don't be bored
anymore.
I remember to have a boss (like your wife). Kept yelling at me all the
time. tooking me as an imbecile/stupid. I wasn't. He was some frustated
guy, pretending to blame someone for his mistakes.
I was so atacked, that i found a fine line, a limit, from that I wasn't
feeling anything...anymore....
It was then, He begun realizing it didn't bore me anymore (I wasn't
absorving his bad energy anymore), that he begun being really angry,
like receiving back that bad energy... I presume it was then, when he
really felt what that was, that he slowed down....
I would like to be able to do this all the time....
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| omjaroo 2006-01-01, 6:04 pm |
| >nice lesson, Jared, you're giving to everyone...
Thank you for your kind words :-)
>It was then, He begun realizing it didn't bore me anymore
>(I wasn't >absorving his bad energy anymore), that
>he begun being really angry, like receiving back that
>bad energy...
Interesting! What I didn=E2=80=99t mention was that the more I was able to
withdraw myself from reacting to my wife=E2=80=99s energy the more angry (a=
nd
eventually) violent she became. At first I had thought that if I would
not participate in any angry exchanges that she would simply stop for
lack of a partner to bounce her anger off of. Not true, she instead
reacted by turning up the =E2=80=9Cvolume=E2=80=9D of the attacks.
>I was so atacked, that i found a fine line, a limit,
>from that I wasn't =E2=80=A8feeling >anything...anymore...
At a different time in my life I have occupied an emotional/psychic
state wherein I became =E2=80=9Cnumb=E2=80=9D to fear and pain. This is res=
istance
in the extreme. My body, mind and soul became over-pressed and shut
down. This is one of the main symptoms of PTSD (post traumatic stress
disorder). While it is a natural and normal reaction to chronically
threatening environments, it is not a =E2=80=9Chealthy=E2=80=9D one. This =
state of
=E2=80=9Cnumbness=E2=80=9D is not to be confused for the deliberate and con=
scious
withdrawal of the senses and emotions from reacting to negative
influence.
>I would like to be able to do this all the time....
One state will leave me less alive and dead to my feelings and the
other allows me the power of accepting who and what I am and being
secure and confident in that knowledge. One will provoke more fear and
naturally draw frightened, angry and abusive energy to me, creating
more fear and resistance. The other ever reduces my fear states
allowing me to see the reality of myself and others. One state leads to
hatred and the other to compassion.
Jared =20
o
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| >Interesting! What I didn't mention was that the more I was able to
>withdraw myself from reacting to my wife's energy the more angry (and
>eventually) violent she became. At first I had thought that if I would
>not participate in any angry exchanges that she would simply stop for
>lack of a partner to bounce her anger off of. Not true, she instead
>reacted by turning up the "volume" of the attacks.
yes, but by that time, all the bad energy was returning to her.
Finally she was hurting herself...
Sooner or later she would suffer...Perhaps that was the way she choose
to "protect" hersef. Her atacks were in fact were defense. I would say
she was desperate....
In fact, I had two cases:
- the 1st one, I mentioned, he decided to stop by himself
- the 2nd one was a much more powerful man. He comitted many mistakes,
and tried to atack me by any angle, trying to persuade other people to
do the same, ...difamous...I wasn=B4t listening to him anymore, not
reacting... He was completely insane...Lost control, because he
pretended to be someone invicible. He was atacking someone else...Lost
control, more and more, losing energy... Finally he was fired.....
That's the diference of having one mind pointed, and atacking just when
is needed..
Those kind of guys, that are always atacking, are in fact loosing
energy. They don't point once and give a shot...No, they shot
everything without the one mind pointed...They kill nothing...They just
lose energy...
>At a different time in my life I have occupied an emotional/psychic
>state wherein I became "numb" to fear and pain. This is resistance
>in the extreme. My body, mind and soul became over-pressed and shut
>down. This is one of the main symptoms of PTSD (post traumatic stress
>disorder). While it is a natural and normal reaction to chronically
>threatening environments, it is not a "healthy" one. This state of
>"numbness" is not to be confused for the deliberate and conscious
>withdrawal of the senses and emotions from reacting to negative
>influence.
That hapenned to me some times. But I always react well, whenever I am
out of that pressure.
The reason why I react well, may be due to my genetics...
(my ancestors were warriors - from those bloody battles of centuries
ago)
I think that's a good reaction, anyway.... Even to other people
People have to find a way to recover....
It is never a good ideia to follow the opinions of some doctors, namely
the ones that gives pills.... A pill is a mask... It treats the
surface, not the origin of the problem...
>One state will leave me less alive and dead to my feelings and the
>other allows me the power of accepting who and what I am and being
>secure and confident in that knowledge. One will provoke more fear and
>naturally draw frightened, angry and abusive energy to me, creating
>more fear and resistance. The other ever reduces my fear states
>allowing me to see the reality of myself and others. One state leads to
>hatred and the other to compassion.
One good ideia to help us to deal with those problems, is to see others
like someone with serious blockages. That's why they atack... In that
way, we may be able to feel compassion about them...
When I am working, I don't fear myself (genetically I am a warrior). I
am defending something else, the work I am doing, and the Truth....I
believe, by doing this, I will receive help from the Universe. If they
pretend to atack me, they are missing the goal of the atack, and will
lose sooner or later. In result, I may be hurt, but I 'll survive...
That's what you were doing... Your goal was to protect your kids. Isn't
it? She was missing the goal of the atack....
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