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I join the explanation of DALAI LAMA in regard with COMPASSION...He
says that"""
Compassion is not the love you care about your relatives or your
friends.
COMPASSION IS BEING RESPECTFULL FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ACT AS AN ENEMY
TOWARD YOU... """
With compassion,
Puma
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| Garry Williams 2005-12-25, 12:54 pm |
| On 25 Dec 2005 05:31:02 -0800, "puma" <puma@dowse.com> wrote:
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>I join the explanation of DALAI LAMA in regard with COMPASSION...He
>says that"""
>
>Compassion is not the love you care about your relatives or your
>friends.
>
>COMPASSION IS BEING RESPECTFULL FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ACT AS AN ENEMY
>TOWARD YOU... """
>
>With compassion,
And so your respect for Reiki people is where?
Love and Light,
Garry
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| Julian 2005-12-25, 5:56 pm |
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puma wrote:
> I join the explanation of DALAI LAMA in regard with COMPASSION...He
> says that"""
>
> Compassion is not the love you care about your relatives or your
> friends.
>
> COMPASSION IS BEING RESPECTFULL FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ACT AS AN ENEMY
> TOWARD YOU... """
>
> With compassion,
>
Oh good!
A new crosspost, thanks.
http://ptlslzb87.blogspot.com/
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| omjaroo 2005-12-25, 5:56 pm |
| Puma,
My dictionary defines compassion as: sympathy for the suffering of
others, often including a desire to help.
I think of compassion as: caring without condition and acting on that
caring.
Jared
o
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| Hi Garry,
If i had nor respect for you guys, I would not care to show my thoughts
about REIKI.
The point is you do not realize what I am aiming to!
You only care your own thoughts and BLIND TRUST about REIKI...
So compassion means quite different aspect for you...And you can
evaluate it in that direction...
If you really care the mutual good for others you should participate in
COMPASSION.
Compassionately thoughts for all of us
Puma
Garry Williams wrote:
> On 25 Dec 2005 05:31:02 -0800, "puma" <puma@dowse.com> wrote:
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>
> And so your respect for Reiki people is where?
>
> Love and Light,
>
> Garry
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| My Dear Omjaroo,
Your definition of compassion seems very good but not complete! Because
if we only care for suffering of others , this is a part of compassion
but not fully. Because suffering is also a relative image. Because we
always avaluate all the stuations according to the same feelings of
ours. That is a sufferer is a sufferer according to our understanding
and according to our norms...So suffering can not be a testing meter
for compassion.All the mothers no matter if their children suffers or
not care about their kits... This is the compassion in its real
meaning...
If compassion is care without condition then this is it. That is
compassion is nor depend on suffering...CHINES people for dalai lama is
not suffering,they act as an enemy toward TIBETAN BUDDHISTS, but dalai
lama has a resoect for these CHINESE,and he says they are our GURUS...
With compassion,
Puma
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| jarngrimr 2005-12-26, 6:01 pm |
| puma wrote:
> COMPASSION IS BEING RESPECTFULL FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ACT AS AN ENEMY
> TOWARD YOU... """
So, according to His Holiness, posters in AHR should be respectful
toward you. Naturally assuming that you are in fact a person of which
there is much doubt.
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| omjaroo 2005-12-26, 6:01 pm |
| Then once again we are in agreement :-)
I would emphasize that for me, compassion always includes a response.
Compassion is not just a static feeling state but also a "response" to
my caring. Caring is sympathy. Caring which comes from experience is
empathy. Neither of these two feeling states rises to the level of
compassion absent a response (which could be taking an action or
refraining from taking of action) or for me to do something about my
caring.
To be real compassion these feeling states and my response must be
unconditional.
I have yet to express anything like real (fearless) compassion. In the
mean I do the best I can with sympathetic/empathetic responses based on
my feelings of separation (otherness) and self-interest (desire to be
helpful).
o
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| Stuart Vernon 2005-12-26, 6:01 pm |
| jarngrimr wrote:
> So, according to His Holiness
Don't get him/her started on the Dalai Lama ... he/she has
issues about that, too ..
Stuart
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| Hi Puma,
Without having had time to read all the threads to date, I notice a
commonality between this one and my life in general. It seems that I
have folks all around me trying to set me straight in almost everything
I do. We do it to each other on this newsgroup.......even if we have no
experience of the other's perspective. I do workshops, have a home-based
MLM business, read and write on controversial issues, and I could go
on........some of my friends are always showing me the errors of my
ways. What it has allowed me to do is to research and double-check my
position on each of my endeavors. Sometimes I notice I become attached
to my position and won't budge from it....other times I have become more
clear when I question my theories, etc. and have become more flexible in
my beliefs. That has been very valuable in practicing non-attachment.
I am one of those skeptical Reiki practitioners. I seem to have positive
experiences and I am not attached to it having come from Reiki. It just
seems to be a unique coincidence that Reiki is involved. That's good
enough for me. Sometimes, there has been an expectation by a client that
one session of Reiki should be enough to handle a health issue. When
this didn't happen there was an immediate reaction to the whole context
of Reiki. Maybe we are lax in educating our friends about Reiki? Probably.
I love what the Dalai Lama says about compassion. What I see in his
statement is that compassion may be more about exploring my compassion
for another and less about deciding whether he has compassion for me.
We all demonstrate our compassion in our own ways. We may have differing
beliefs and yet compassion is compassion because it comes from our own soul.
Cheers
Rich
puma wrote:
> I join the explanation of DALAI LAMA in regard with COMPASSION...He
> says that"""
>
> Compassion is not the love you care about your relatives or your
> friends.
>
> COMPASSION IS BEING RESPECTFULL FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ACT AS AN ENEMY
> TOWARD YOU... """
>
> With compassion,
>
> Puma
>
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| Hi Jarngrimr,
I never expect any respect from people in AHR... This is a simple fact
it has no relation with DALAI LAMA at all..
If there is a doubt in the mind of AHR posters, this is not a surprise
for me!
It is clear that I do not believe this sort HUMBO JUMBO or HOKUS
POKUS...So
I am positive that any body who is within HUMBO JUMBO or HOKUS POKUS
certainly will not have any respect for the others...And this is what
Iam trying to explain here and in every other cheating media...
I know all these simple facts. No need fruther efforts...
I only tried to explain what a COMPASSION IS... that is it you have
learned it by the way...As your REIKI has no such a rikke that is
obvious...
Always compassionately,
Puma
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| Hi Rich,
Thanks a lot for your kind poster above regarding COMPASSION.
As you have clearly indicated your position on REIKI and on compassion,
I also like to state several points regarding reiki affair.
Mostly reiki has been introduced as an universal energy... But energy
is a scientific TERM...And in science there is no such energy...If one
sentient being does not eat, does not get oksigen and does not take
water , it is not posssible for that sentient being to be alive... This
is a reality...And energy is within this simple truth...
As we humanbeings have a system of psychology we also need some sort of
feeding mind-wise, that is called BELIEF. But beliefs are mostly on the
plane that we have no information on a large detail...Because if we
know anything well then we do not need to beleive it anymore. We never
believe our names because we know it from our experiences...
If reiki was a real healing power, then all the ilness would be deleted
from hospitals...But the reality is not so...
Beliefs are sometimes good but we have to be very carefull on
it...SCIENCE is the only GURU...
With compassion,
Puma
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| Stuart Vernon 2005-12-26, 6:01 pm |
| puma wrote:
> Mostly reiki has been introduced as an universal energy...
Incorrectly or correctly IMHO ... depends how you define it ..
> But energy
> is a scientific TERM...And in science there is no such energy...
Yes and no ....
Puma .. what is your science based on?
If you wouldn't mind, please give me your views on my hosting of:
http://www.cix.co.uk/~stuv/Reikipapers
Stuart
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| Garry Williams 2005-12-27, 1:03 am |
| Puma, I posted my original reply only alt.healing.reiki, but I noticed
that you do not reply to posts from there, you only crosspost from one
of the other two groups to there. If you wish to reply to this and
want me to see it, you will have to e-mail me or else crosspost to
alt.healing.reiki. I am certain that the folks in alt.yoga and
alt.zen, however, are completely uninterested in this topic, so why
don't you subscribe to alt.healing.reiki so that we can leave these
others out of it?
>On 26 Dec 2005 15:32:30 -0800, "puma" <puma@dowse.com> wrote:
>
>Mostly reiki has been introduced as an universal energy... But energy
>is a scientific TERM...
Yes, it means the work that a physical system is capable of doing in
changing from its actual state to a specified reference state, the
total including (but not limited to) kinetic energy, potential energy
and rest energy. For instance, an exothermic chemical reaction, such
as burning gasoline, releases energy. This energy is used to heat and
expand gases, which in turn moves pistons, which turn a crankshaft,
which turns the wheels of your vehicle, thus performing work. Where
does this energy come from? What kind of energy is it?
>And in science there is no such energy...If one
>sentient being does not eat, does not get oksigen and does not take
>water , it is not posssible for that sentient being to be alive... This
>is a reality...And energy is within this simple truth...
This simple truth applies to the sentient beings that you and I know,
but you and I haven't been everywhere in the universe, so we can't
rule out some other variation at the current time, can we? Science is
not about blindly believing that things that you don't know about
don't exist, it's about not *assuming* things that you aren't
relatively sure about, and taking verifiable, reproducible steps that
others can replicate to bear out (or not) what you think you may be
observing. But it all starts with observing. In your case, you are not
willing to observe, so you aren't in a position to say that you are
conducting science.
>As we humanbeings have a system of psychology we also need some sort of
>feeding mind-wise, that is called BELIEF. But beliefs are mostly on the
>plane that we have no information on a large detail...Because if we
>know anything well then we do not need to beleive it anymore. We never
>believe our names because we know it from our experiences...
Who are you? <g>
>If reiki was a real healing power, then all the ilness would be deleted
>from hospitals...But the reality is not so...
Non sequitur. By using the same logic I could say that if Puma were an
educating force, there would be no ignorance in the world, but the
reality is not so...
>Beliefs are sometimes good but we have to be very carefull on
>it...SCIENCE is the only GURU...
Science requires observation and logic. So far, you have demonstrated
a complete lack of both. Why don't you try applying the scientific
method to Reiki? If your position is such a slam dunk case, you should
have no problem devising a simple test that proves your point. It
should be test that others can easily replicate, and it should have
proper controls, it should be well-designed, and it should be able
demonstrate whether Reiki is responsible for a given result or not.
Can you do that, can you practice SCIENCE? Or do you give your GURU
only lipservice?
Love and Light,
Garry
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| Hi Puma,
I get what you say about beliefs......a wise person once said,
*If you experience it, it's the truth.
The same thing believed is a lie.*
I was taught to suspend any beliefs or expectations when performing
Reiki. For me, that means that there may be results that I do not
expect. When I shake someone's hand or give him/her a hug, I may be
wanting to simply express friendship and yet there may happen something
that might alter their whole life. They might now go and hug someone
else and trigger a healing process....I can never know. However, if they
react negatively should I conclude that hugging is therefore bad? Some
people have actually shut themselves down as a result of a bad
experience. Yes, they have taken up a new belief and there seems to be
some very powerful energy that keeps that belief in place. Otherwise we
would just change the belief. Is that an identifiable energy? What is it?
I do not understand all the energy conversations and we must somehow use
what information we have at our disposal at this time. As science
evolves, our language will shift and maybe there will always be some
mystery waiting for the next scientific breakthrough.
I think explaining Reiki is like the difference between taking a picture
of a situation and taking a movie of the same situation. With the
picture you have a momentary perspective and must add or make up a whole
story to fill it in.......with a movie, you can watch the whole
situation unfold (experience it, so to say) and the perspective is much
more encompassing.
The same with compassion.......what I put forth towards someone today
may be looked at through the lens of the still camera, giving one
perspective, yet a movie over a period of time could show something so
very different, when I remove all my interpretations of the still
picture. Yet, either way, it is always up to each of us to create what
we will see.
Cheers
Rich
puma wrote:
> Hi Rich,
>
> Thanks a lot for your kind poster above regarding COMPASSION.
>
> As you have clearly indicated your position on REIKI and on compassion,
> I also like to state several points regarding reiki affair.
>
> Mostly reiki has been introduced as an universal energy... But energy
> is a scientific TERM...And in science there is no such energy...If one
> sentient being does not eat, does not get oksigen and does not take
> water , it is not posssible for that sentient being to be alive... This
> is a reality...And energy is within this simple truth...
>
> As we humanbeings have a system of psychology we also need some sort of
> feeding mind-wise, that is called BELIEF. But beliefs are mostly on the
> plane that we have no information on a large detail...Because if we
> know anything well then we do not need to beleive it anymore. We never
> believe our names because we know it from our experiences...
>
> If reiki was a real healing power, then all the ilness would be deleted
> from hospitals...But the reality is not so...
>
> Beliefs are sometimes good but we have to be very carefull on
> it...SCIENCE is the only GURU...
>
> With compassion,
>
> Puma
>
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Hi Rich,
A great compassionate example is your reply. Thanks body thanks.Very
wise too.
Puma
Rich wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
> Hi Puma,
> I get what you say about beliefs......a wise person once said,
> *If you experience it, it's the truth.
> The same thing believed is a lie.*
> I was taught to suspend any beliefs or expectations when performing
> Reiki. For me, that means that there may be results that I do not
> expect. When I shake someone's hand or give him/her a hug, I may be
> wanting to simply express friendship and yet there may happen something
> that might alter their whole life. They might now go and hug someone
> else and trigger a healing process....I can never know. However, if they
> react negatively should I conclude that hugging is therefore bad? Some
> people have actually shut themselves down as a result of a bad
> experience. Yes, they have taken up a new belief and there seems to be
> some very powerful energy that keeps that belief in place. Otherwise we
> would just change the belief. Is that an identifiable energy? What is it?
> I do not understand all the energy conversations and we must somehow use
> what information we have at our disposal at this time. As science
> evolves, our language will shift and maybe there will always be some
> mystery waiting for the next scientific breakthrough.
> I think explaining Reiki is like the difference between taking a picture
> of a situation and taking a movie of the same situation. With the
> picture you have a momentary perspective and must add or make up a whole
> story to fill it in.......with a movie, you can watch the whole
> situation unfold (experience it, so to say) and the perspective is much
> more encompassing.
> The same with compassion.......what I put forth towards someone today
> may be looked at through the lens of the still camera, giving one
> perspective, yet a movie over a period of time could show something so
> very different, when I remove all my interpretations of the still
> picture. Yet, either way, it is always up to each of us to create what
> we will see.
> Cheers
> Rich
>
>
> puma wrote:
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| Hi Stuart,
I have checked the papers you have indicated.They are very well
prepared assays. But when we talk about SCIENCE , I prefer to find a
medical school of REIKI or a branch of medicen in a medical
university...Because on these days almost everybody is trying to
make a correlation with his/her interested area and QUANTUM
PHYSICS...But the results are not scientific at all..
Thanks for your kind reply anyway.
Puma
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| Hi Garry,
I am sorry for not being replied on AHR. All the known energies are the
manifastations of a CHANGE, a sort of TRANFORMATIONS. If a wood gives
heat energy after being burned,this is because same energy was gained
when this wood was a tree...
In other words, without having anything you can not give it...This is a
scientific reality...
Beliefs can be sepearated in two catagories the positive ones and the
negative ones..
If a child beleieves that he /she can make good drawings,pictures ,this
is positive.
But if the same child thinks that he/she can not draw good pictures,
this is negative.
And if we entertain positive beliefs we act positively, if we
entertaion negative beliefs we act negatively... So one must be very
attentive while getting any of these..
I might have shown a complete lack on observation and logic...But
Science has no lack
non of the scientific medical schools have shown any dependancy
regarding REIKI story.
You can not show me any medical school that is suggesting REIKI for
healing any sort of illnes...
Of course, according to your logic, this clearly shows how science far
from OBSERVATION and LOGIC!!!
I live SCIENCE because it is proven not a story ...
With compassion,
Puma
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| Stuart Vernon 2005-12-27, 10:58 am |
| puma wrote:
> I have checked the papers you have indicated.They are very well
> prepared assays. But when we talk about SCIENCE , I prefer to find a
> medical school of REIKI or a branch of medicen in a medical
> university...
I think there is one (don't have references ATM, but has been
referred to in this ng in the distant past) ..
> Because on these days almost everybody is trying to
> make a correlation with his/her interested area and QUANTUM
> PHYSICS...
This is true, and I would admit that it makes for a sexy correlation
and is the subject of many books ... but that doesn't mean that it's
invalid ...
> But the results are not scientific at all..
Double-blind placebo controlled studies have been made .. you/I need
to find them for reference ..
> Thanks for your kind reply anyway.
No prob ... keep an open mind .. but don't let your brain fall out .. ;)
> Puma
Stuart
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| lilashi 2005-12-27, 6:01 pm |
| Compassion means many things.
'if you do not like to swim in the cold water may be other also doesnt
like ' if so , how can you expect for the other to swim in the cold
water ?
Compassion is being respectful to every living being and never forget
every living being has got living rights...Compassion is intelligence
to find the ways to protect the life .Compassion is the end of war
birth of peace.
Compassion is so easy but difficult to put in action...Once it is born
it is like a non ending river which feeds the ocean of life 
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| puma wrote:
> I am sorry for not being replied on AHR. All the known energies are the
> manifastations of a CHANGE, a sort of TRANFORMATIONS. If a wood gives
> heat energy after being burned,this is because same energy was gained
> when this wood was a tree...
You're starting to sound like Chinese 5 element theory. <g> But yes,
we understand one another on this point.
> In other words, without having anything you can not give it...This is a
> scientific reality...
Yes, so how does this disprove Reiki?
> Beliefs can be sepearated in two catagories the positive ones and the
> negative ones..
<gentle snip>
Yes, if you go in for dualistic thinking you can separate beliefs into
positive and negative. And your point?
> I might have shown a complete lack on observation and logic...But
> Science has no lack
Well, actually, there are many things that science lacks. It is not a
god, it is a tool of the thinking mind. But not all in this world is
attained through thinking...
However, having studied math, logic, chemistry, physics, etc, in
school, and having usually excelled at those subjects, I am no stranger
to the ways and usefulness of science.
> non of the scientific medical schools have shown any dependancy
> regarding REIKI story.
Before the microscope was invented, no one showed a belief in the
theory of germs. For a long time, doctors used leeches to bleed their
patients, then modern "enlightened" scientific medicine came along and
determined that using leeches to bleed a patient was superstitious
nonsense. Then really modern scientific medicine came and determined
that leeches do indeed have some rather excellent uses in the modern
physician's kit bag. As you can see from this, the face of medicine is
always changing, because what we know is always changing, because, I'm
sorry, but there will never be a time when we know everything, and can
swear, positively, that any particular idea is engraved in stone.
It takes time for *any* medical technique to be investigated, tested,
and accepted, because this is the way of science. Just because
something has not previously been investigated by scientists does not
mean that it is invalid or does not exist. It just means that it has
not been investigated yet. However...
> You can not show me any medical school that is suggesting REIKI for
> healing any sort of illnes...
It only takes one example to prove a statement like that false. :-)
http://www.harthosp.org/IntMed/reiki.htm
Google is your friend. There are many scientific and medical studies
concerning Reiki and other complementary/alternative practices. But
since you've never looked, how could you know that?
> Of course, according to your logic, this clearly shows how science far
> from OBSERVATION and LOGIC!!!
No, science has no problem with observation and logic because science
isn't a thinking being, it is a methodology that is *used* by thinking
beings. If you fail to use it, the problem is not with science, it is
with you.
> I live SCIENCE because it is proven not a story ...
I'm not sure exactly what you mean by that, but okay... :-)
Love and Light,
Garry
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| You appear to have missed the outthrust of my argument so I shall
explain it.
You reputedly quoted the Dalai Lama saying that people should be
compassionate towards anyone who acts as an enemy to those people.
I suggested that means people in AHR should be compassionate towards
you.
Is that clear now? I didn't think it was particularly subtle. I can
explain it further but that means you'll lose all the bonus points for
getting it by yourself.
You know, your posts were of much higher quality a few weeks ago. Any
chance of going back to that standard? I was really hoping that you'd
keep things interesting and entertaining but your posts have been a bit
humdrum of late. Were you having a bad week or something?
With compassion,
Cougar
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| Hi Dale,
You should know what is the core of REIKI! Those people have made a
spell on me that
my posts have been a bit humdrum lately. That comes from the SPELL of
REIKI!
With compassion,
Puma
Dale wrote:
> You appear to have missed the outthrust of my argument so I shall
> explain it.
>
> You reputedly quoted the Dalai Lama saying that people should be
> compassionate towards anyone who acts as an enemy to those people.
>
> I suggested that means people in AHR should be compassionate towards
> you.
>
> Is that clear now? I didn't think it was particularly subtle. I can
> explain it further but that means you'll lose all the bonus points for
> getting it by yourself.
>
> You know, your posts were of much higher quality a few weeks ago. Any
> chance of going back to that standard? I was really hoping that you'd
> keep things interesting and entertaining but your posts have been a bit
> humdrum of late. Were you having a bad week or something?
>
> With compassion,
> Cougar
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| coerdelion 2006-01-03, 6:03 pm |
| I think we should adopt you as our mascot, Puma ... unless someone already
has?
The only person I know who thinks Reiki is a spell is Kathleen Milner. So
now you give your lineage away ... ;)
Blessings
Fiona
"puma" <puma@dowse.com> wrote in message
news:1136324305.701199.25900@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Hi Dale,
>
> You should know what is the core of REIKI! Those people have made a
> spell on me that
> my posts have been a bit humdrum lately. That comes from the SPELL of
> REIKI!
>
> With compassion,
>
> Puma
>
>
>
>
>
> Dale wrote:
>
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| coerdelion wrote:
> I think we should adopt you as our mascot, Puma ... unless someone already
> has?
>
> The only person I know who thinks Reiki is a spell is Kathleen Milner. So
> now you give your lineage away ... ;)
>
> Blessings
> Fiona
Milner !
I tried to find some of her nooks and are out of sael ,,
she's told to be something !
Th@o
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| coerdelion 2006-01-04, 11:01 am |
| Try Amazon. Just had a look and there are many second hand copies of both
....
Blessings
Fiona
"Theo" <byjoke@ch.inter.net> wrote in message
news:dpgpse$4da$2@atlas.ip-plus.net...
> coerdelion wrote:
>
> Milner !
> I tried to find some of her nooks and are out of sael ,, she's told to be
> something !
>
>
>
> Th@o
>
>
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