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| LawsonE 2005-09-24, 2:26 pm |
| The TM university, MUM, has revamped its website. Lots of new and
interesting stuff:
http://www.mum.edu/
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| Now if only they could get someone to go there!
On 9/23/05 4:01 AM, in article nCOYe.24541$sx2.8064@fed1read02, "LawsonE"
<nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
> The TM university, MUM, has revamped its website. Lots of new and
> interesting stuff:
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> http://www.mum.edu/
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| LawsonE 2005-09-24, 2:26 pm |
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"Vaj" <vaj@not-shunyata.org> wrote in message
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> Now if only they could get someone to go there!
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"The largest contingent of students enrolled at the Fairfield campus comes
from the United States, with 167, followed by Ethiopia, with 137."
http://www.mum.edu/TheReview/#2
[...]
A majority of the new students on campus are enrolled in graduate programs.
The Computer Professionals Program continues to attract students, with 52
new arrivals this fall. Also, two new co-op programs for professionals - in
accounting and education - will enroll a group of students in October.
Most of the 57 new undergraduate students are from the U.S., with a third of
those learning the Transcendental Meditation® technique upon arrival or
shortly before coming.
As usual, the student body is extremely diverse, with students coming from
62 countries: Algeria, Angola, Cameroon, Comoros Islands, Egypt, Ghana,
Kenya, Mozambique, Nigeria, Tanzania, Ethiopia, Spain and the Canary
Islands, France, Italy, the United Kingdom, Poland, Norway, Finland,
Estonia, Latvia, Bulgaria, Hungary, Moldava, Romania, Serbia, Turkey,
Israel, and Jordan.
Also, Iran, Armenia, Russia, Belarus, Kyrgyzstan, Ukraine, Georgia, India,
Sri Lanka, Nepal, Pakistan, Mongolia, China, Taiwan (China), Thailand,
Vietnam, Burma, Cambodia, Singapore, Japan, Indonesia, Malaysia,
Philippines, Australia, New Zealand, Bolivia, Brazil, Colombia, Ecuador,
Guyana, Peru, Venezuela, Canada, Mexico, and the United States.
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> On 9/23/05 4:01 AM, in article nCOYe.24541$sx2.8064@fed1read02, "LawsonE"
> <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
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On 9/23/05 8:48 AM, in article 1PSYe.24550$sx2.18647@fed1read02, "LawsonE"
<nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
> "The largest contingent of students enrolled at the Fairfield campus comes
> from the United States, with 167, followed by Ethiopia, with 137."
What's up with Ethiopia? This must be due to some federal program or
something--much like the thousands of unemployable Somalis who found their
way to small New England towns (and then on to the welfare roles)...
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| jstein@panix.com 2005-09-24, 2:26 pm |
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Vaj wrote:
> On 9/23/05 8:48 AM, in article 1PSYe.24550$sx2.18647@fed1read02, "LawsonE"
> <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
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> What's up with Ethiopia? This must be due to some federal program or
> something--much like the thousands of unemployable Somalis who found their
> way to small New England towns (and then on to the welfare roles)...
After having enrolled in graduate programs in
a U.S. university?
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On 9/23/05 10:10 AM, in article
1127484659.386169.201000@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "jstein@panix.com"
<jstein@panix.com> wrote:
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> Vaj wrote:
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> After having enrolled in graduate programs in
> a U.S. university?
If you are referring to the Somalis, I don't believe many have gone in to
graduate or college programs--few speak English. Heck they're having a hard
time finding docs who will perform clitorectomies on their young girls
(seriously).
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| jstein@panix.com 2005-09-24, 2:26 pm |
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Vaj wrote:
> On 9/23/05 10:10 AM, in article
> 1127484659.386169.201000@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "jstein@panix.com"
> <jstein@panix.com> wrote:
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> If you are referring to the Somalis, I don't believe many have gone in to
> graduate or college programs--few speak English.
Oh, I see. So it's not that much like the
Ethiopians enrolling in MUM's graduate
programs.
Heck they're having a hard
> time finding docs who will perform clitorectomies on their young girls
> (seriously).
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On 9/23/05 10:51 AM, in article
1127487110.785500.60690@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com, "jstein@panix.com"
<jstein@panix.com> wrote:
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> Vaj wrote:
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> Oh, I see. So it's not that much like the
> Ethiopians enrolling in MUM's graduate
> programs.
Where is the money coming from is the question. Of course it is certainly
possible that large numbers of Somalis just decided to enroll at MUM, it
just seems improbable to me that it wasn't for some other reason.
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| jstein@panix.com 2005-09-24, 2:26 pm |
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Vaj wrote:
> On 9/23/05 10:51 AM, in article
> 1127487110.785500.60690@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com, "jstein@panix.com"
> <jstein@panix.com> wrote:
>
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> Where is the money coming from is the question. Of course it is certainly
> possible that large numbers of Somalis just decided to enroll at MUM, it
> just seems improbable to me that it wasn't for some other reason.
I don't see Somalia among the list of countries
from which students have enrolled at MUM. Do you?
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On 9/23/05 11:15 AM, in article
1127488550.572356.191340@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com, "jstein@panix.com"
<jstein@panix.com> wrote:
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> Vaj wrote:
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> I don't see Somalia among the list of countries
> from which students have enrolled at MUM. Do you?
Sorry, meant to write Ethiopia.
Lawson?
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| LawsonE 2005-09-24, 2:26 pm |
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"Vaj" <vaj@not-shunyata.org> wrote in message
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> On 9/23/05 11:15 AM, in article
> 1127488550.572356.191340@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com, "jstein@panix.com"
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> Sorry, meant to write Ethiopia.
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> Lawson?
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I assume that either there's one or more wealthy TMers in the USA with a
soft spot in their hearts for Ethiopians who are paying the bill, or that
MUM and the government of Ethiopia have some kind of agreement (maybe the
President is a TMer?) or both.
It's doubtful that it's a US government program.
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| rbrbrb@gmail.com 2005-09-24, 2:26 pm |
| The Ethiopians already have a bachelor's degree in Computer Science
from Ethiopian schools. They are admitted to MUM for an M.S. in
CompSci, and they take classes for 7.5 months at the Fairfield campus,
then get a job for a couple years as programmers, during which time
they continue as distance ed students at MUM, and pay off their tuition
bill to MUM ( http://mum.edu/compro/ --
http://www.mum.edu/compro/structure.html ). If they don't get a job,
they don't owe any money to MUM. It's a good deal for both parties
financially, and at least some of the students will continue TM after
going home to Ethiopia with enough money to buy a house or start a biz.
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| jstein@panix.com 2005-09-24, 2:26 pm |
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rbr...@gmail.com wrote:
> The Ethiopians already have a bachelor's degree in Computer Science
> from Ethiopian schools. They are admitted to MUM for an M.S. in
> CompSci, and they take classes for 7.5 months at the Fairfield campus,
> then get a job for a couple years as programmers, during which time
> they continue as distance ed students at MUM, and pay off their tuition
> bill to MUM ( http://mum.edu/compro/ --
> http://www.mum.edu/compro/structure.html ). If they don't get a job,
> they don't owe any money to MUM. It's a good deal for both parties
> financially, and at least some of the students will continue TM after
> going home to Ethiopia with enough money to buy a house or start a biz.
Wow. You mean they're *not* unemployables
looking for a government handout? Vaj is
going to be very disappointed.
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| John Manning 2005-09-24, 2:26 pm |
| jstein@panix.com wrote:
> rbr...@gmail.com wrote:
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> Wow. You mean they're *not* unemployables
> looking for a government handout? Vaj is
> going to be very disappointed.
But he's such a 'spiritual' guy. He can
surely absorb this little disappointment.
<guffaw>
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| That's fantastic--if it's true.
On 9/23/05 7:53 PM, in article
1127519581.751836.221960@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "rbrbrb@gmail.com"
<rbrbrb@gmail.com> wrote:
> The Ethiopians already have a bachelor's degree in Computer Science
> from Ethiopian schools. They are admitted to MUM for an M.S. in
> CompSci, and they take classes for 7.5 months at the Fairfield campus,
> then get a job for a couple years as programmers, during which time
> they continue as distance ed students at MUM, and pay off their tuition
> bill to MUM ( http://mum.edu/compro/ --
> http://www.mum.edu/compro/structure.html ). If they don't get a job,
> they don't owe any money to MUM. It's a good deal for both parties
> financially, and at least some of the students will continue TM after
> going home to Ethiopia with enough money to buy a house or start a biz.
>
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| willytex@yahoo.com 2005-09-28, 9:40 am |
| Vaj. wrote:
> That's fantastic--if it's true.
>
Another spiritual guy on the forum! It's about time sombody besides
this fellow talked about something spiritual around here. Apparently
I'm the only fellow around here that's been within a mile of a TM
University or a Maharishi Golden Dome.
In a previous message I described my recent visit to Fairfield to look
for a house to buy and possibly take some courses at MUM; I was on
campus as recently as two years ago and I can vouch for the computer
graphics department - it's a top-notch Mac lab. That said, most of the
graduates from that department are unemployables, just like lot's of
other computer graphics schools - bottom fell out of the industry; most
computer graphics designers can't program a computer, so they can't
even get a job in Austin working on a computer gameer at $300 hour. Go
figure.
NewTek, established a new corporate headquarters in San Antonio, Texas,
where it's easier to attract leading programmers, sales people and
technical support staff. NewTek's new offices are on the edge of the
Texas Hill Country and provides an engaging and challenging work
environment. NewTek is just a few miles down the road from the best BBQ
joint in Texas!
http://www.newtek.com/
Boston and Austin, Texas are hotbeds for gaming companies.
http://www.bizjournals.com/washingt.../17/focus2.html
Top 5 Austin and Texas Board Games
http://austin.about.com/cs/recreati...xboardgames.htm
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| willytex@yahoo.com 2005-09-28, 9:40 am |
| John Manning wrote:
> But he's such a 'spiritual' guy.
>
Name's Taank!
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| Doesn't really answer the question. Where's the money coming from and why
Ethiopians? It's already been answered that these people will have
jobs--albeit probably not "as advertised"--essentially this represent
another type of "outsourcing" from what I am hearing.
On 9/27/05 1:00 AM, in article
1127797201.708824.76700@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "willytex@yahoo.com"
<willytex@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Vaj. wrote:
> Another spiritual guy on the forum! It's about time sombody besides
> this fellow talked about something spiritual around here. Apparently
> I'm the only fellow around here that's been within a mile of a TM
> university or a Maharishi Golden Dome.
>
> In a previous message I described my recent visit to Fairfield to look
> for a house to buy and possibly take some courses at MUM; I was on
> campus as recently as two years ago and I can vouch for the computer
> graphics department - it's a top-notch Mac lab. That said, most of the
> graduates from that department are unemployables, just like lot's of
> other computer graphics schools - bottom fell out of the industry; most
> computer graphics designers can't program a computer, so they can't
> even get a job in Austin working on a computer gameer at $300 hour. Go
> figure.
>
> NewTek, established a new corporate headquarters in San Antonio, Texas,
> where it's easier to attract leading programmers, sales people and
> technical support staff. NewTek's new offices are on the edge of the
> Texas Hill Country and provides an engaging and challenging work
> environment. NewTek is just a few miles down the road from the best BBQ
> joint in Texas!
>
> http://www.newtek.com/
>
> Boston and Austin, Texas are hotbeds for gaming companies.
>
> http://www.bizjournals.com/washingt.../17/focus2.html
>
> Top 5 Austin and Texas Board Games
>
> http://austin.about.com/cs/recreati...xboardgames.htm
>
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| bbrigante@yahoo.com 2005-09-28, 9:40 am |
| Fairfield banks loan students the money to attend MUM (these loans are
guaranteed by MUM, not by the govt), then when the students get their
jobs at companies in the U.S.(there is no "outsourcing" involved here),
which do pay market rates $40-60K, they pay off their educational loans
-- if they don't get jobs, they do not have to pay off the loans, but
virtually all students in this program are currently getting jobs
(although it took some time for many students when the bottom fell out
of the IT market several years).
Why Ethiopians? Because Swiss and German etc. students do not need to
come to the U.S. to get programming jobs, but when it comes to
Ethiopia, one of the poorest countries in the world, there are simply a
paucity of any type of jobs, and they don't pay but a small fraction of
what these students can make in the U.S., which enables them to return
home with enough money to start a biz, buy a house, etc.
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