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prana, pranayama, prana vidya by swami niranjanananda saraswati
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| spacecrystal@gmail.com 2005-09-24, 2:24 pm |
| hi everybody
what r u people think of this book?
thanx
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| One of my favorite books.
I bought it just before going to a seminar about Prana Vidya.
Is the only book I have about pranayama (Is the only I need).
Niranjanananda /Satyananda in their best
Moon
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| spacecrystal@gmail.com 2005-09-24, 2:24 pm |
| hi & thanx 4 reply
i bought it few days ago, hope it will
help me 2 improve my pranayama
(because i am pretty beginer)
spacecrystal
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| The book is intended for beginers and more advance students, but the
main goal of the book is considered an advanced practice: Prana Vidya.
Prana Vidya is intended to be done with the help of a good teacher....
So don't jump steps (when I buy books like this one, I read it first
quickly and after I begin some practices which I think are adequate to
me).
(Read the first pages of the 25 th chapter, about the basic foundation
before attempting prana vidya).
As a foundation there are another good book of Satyananda:
Asana Pranayama Mudra Bandha (intended for beginers and more advance
students)
Moon
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| spacecrystal@gmail.com 2005-09-24, 2:25 pm |
| hi once more!
> The book is intended for beginers
super!
> with the help of a good teacher....
i have no yoga teacher, and also no adequate in my town so
i practice all alone, but i'm not in a hurry B) so i'll try 2 b zeal
pupil
as much i can. also i plan 2 yell on alt.yoga if get into probs
btw sorry on (if) bad eng.
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| The problem of doing yoga all alone is that you may release some kind
of rush of energy (especially if you do some sort of pranayama, bandha
or meditation), before removing all your physical blockages.
At least, follow a book which have some sort of planned lessons.
Here=B4s two examples:
Yoga the Iyengar way - Silva, Mira Shyam Mehta
(has got planned lessons in the end and has good big pictures- is
intended for beginers)
Light on yoga - BKS Iyengar
(Is like a compendium of yoga - has an explanation of the effects of
each posture and has also asana courses in the end)
Obs.: The books of the Bihar School of Yoga are all good books, but are
intended for students which use it as a complement of some sort of yoga
classes
Moon
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| spacecrystal@gmail.com 2005-09-24, 2:25 pm |
| hello
with pranayama practice i started almost 1y ago
and with asana >2y
but after ~3months of practicing pranayama i started
2 prolong times of holding/inbreath/outbreath as well
as the whole pranayama practice so after it i felt pretty
dizzy. so i got sugestions from this newsgroup 2 shorten
the times and 2 do the regular asana (per day) so i fixed
the problem.
[also i got the Kundalini.Yoga.-.9.min.max.Meditations
{thanx 2 Hari Har Singh} but i did not tryed it because
of solving dizzy prob. although i would maybe get better results
from using this practices]
i consider myself as 1 far from serious yogi but with
my work in yoga i am very satisfied.
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i will much rather skip my pranayama then asana
because from my very limited experience & even
more limited knowledge in yoga i concluded that
asana alone has sense but pranayama alone
(with rusty spinal column) has not
(not sure if above written is in context)
thanx 4 suggestons 4 bookz as well 4 reply!
spacecrystal
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| =ABI will much rather skip my pranayama then asana
because from my very limited experience & even
more limited knowledge in yoga i concluded that
asana alone has sense but pranayama alone=BB
Human organism is like a matrioska doll. The Physical body is the
bigger doll, the Pranic body the 2nd doll and the more subtle body the
other smaller dolls.
Working with each doll has efects in all the other dolls...
The Physical body is something we already know since we were born. It's
easier to deal with it: if one asana hurts, we stop....Everyone knows
it, if we get injured: there are doctors, and teachers (yoga and gym,
and so on...).
Whatever is good to the physical body is good to the other bodys.
The other subtler bodys, we can't see them (unless we have already
adquired some sidhys), if we are lucky perhaps we can feel them.
So, if we are practising pranayma or meditating, we're working with
something we don't see or don't feel: and this is what makes it
dangerous, is that we're playing with something we don't understand
(and some people don't believe).
That's why advanced pranayamas and meditation should be done with the
help of good teachers. (see what happened with Gopi Krishna, by
meditating all alone...).
More, there aren't many people that can help us, especially if we are
westerners...=20
Regards
Moon
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| spacecrystal@gmail.com 2005-09-24, 2:25 pm |
| hi
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So, if we are practising pranayma or meditating, we're working with
something we don't see or don't feel: and this is what makes it
dangerous, is that we're playing with something we don't understand
(and some people don't believe).
That's why advanced pranayamas and meditation should be done with the
help of good teachers. (see what happened with Gopi Krishna, by
meditating all alone...).
More, there aren't many people that can help us, especially if we are
westerners...
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ugh, sad but true i realized that 2 but in that case we can choose 2
try alone or 2 do nothing. so i choosed 2 try B)
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Human organism is like a matrioska doll. The Physical body is the
bigger doll, the Pranic body the 2nd doll and the more subtle body the
other smaller dolls.
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nice example, it seems that i was right when wrote[vbcol=seagreen]
if not prob.
i would like that u give me comment on my
current pranayama practices
now my pranayama practice consist of 2 parts
~3-4 min.
1) equaly inbreath/outbreath trough both nostrils
in confortable siddhasana withouth holding breath
6/6 sec then rise 8/8; 10/10; 12/12; 10/10; 8/8
or something similar
~3min
2) alternate nostrils (through right in, then hold, then out trough
left,
hold again, then in through left, hold, out through right & hold final)
every step equal time long 1st cycle 6-7sec then up to 10
totally up 2 to 4 cycles
if i feel i should stop i usually stop (pause) with normal breathing
4 a while (~1min)
my breathing is done with "belly-work" - work of stomach little above
genitals, when outhbreath it is done by my will, when inbreath i almost
leave my body 2 inbreath alone in deep stomach
also i must say that in the last time i do pranayama very! rare
but i'll plan 2 normalize that
thanx
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| 1) the practice is safe - the more long is our breath (intake and
outkake) - more peaceful and attuned we are - this practice is good to
center and concentrate - and could be done with cross legged, spine
straight and doing a mudra with both hands (e.g. jnana mudra)
2) is good to equilibrate both sides of the brain and of the body. Our
left side is ruled by the moon, and usually is more light and more
flexible. Our right side is ruled by the sun and is usually stronger,
less flexible and most blockages take place in this side.
By doing this pranayama we're trying that the left side becomes less
weak and the right side more flexible. We're trying to mix a bit more
the energies.
This breathing is used to begin with the left side (first intake)....
and ends with the outake of the left side (don't ask me why).
Is safe as long as you don't hold to much time.
If you are not very sure what you are doing, stay with those two
pranayamas
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I didn't understand this:
"my breathing is done with "belly-work" - work of stomach little above
genitals, when outhbreath it is done by my will, when inbreath i almost
leave my body 2 inbreath alone in deep stomach "
Is this a bandha? If it is is quite an advanced practice (Moola bandha)
- is a bandha that is often used in ashtanga yoga. If you are not sure
waht you're doing, is better to skip
Be careful:
--> Bandhas in general, are intermediate to advanced practices and are
used in the Kundalini process;
--> Hold the breathing to much time (kumbaka), is another advanced
practice - the more you hold the more advanced is. It is said that the
kundalini rises when the vital energy of the body is suspended (this
means that creates space for the inner energy to come up);
--=BB and if you associate bandhas and long kunbakas, this is even more
advanced....
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If you are not sure how to use that book, is better to use it as a
complement of other book.
The first book I advised you "Asana Pranayama Mudra Bandha" by
Satyananda, has a small chapter of pranayma with safe practices.
And the other two (Iyengar) have the pranaymas inserted in the planned
lessons as a safe method - the first lessons don't have pranayamas at
all....
Good luck
Regards=20
Moon
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| I'm still thinking about this:
> "my breathing is done with "belly-work" - work of stomach little above
> genitals, when outhbreath it is done by my will, when inbreath i almost
> leave my body 2 inbreath alone in deep stomach "
go to chapter 20:
I think you're doing kapalabati. But I wouldn't call it "belly-work",
what is working is the diaphragm. Is similar to bhastrika (in this case
the air is forced in the 2 ways - in and out)
Is a good practice as well as you don't do bandhas, nor kumbhakas......
Stay allways with the basic methods.
"belly-work" - sounds like something else and is a practice called
Nauli - in fact is not intended for you: is even more advanced than the
bandhas. Iyengar says (in Light on yoga) that is a practice that could
be used just only having mastered uddiyana bandha....
Good work!
Moon
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| spacecrystal@gmail.com 2005-09-24, 2:25 pm |
| hi moon
1) i usually do it just u describe also using gyana mudra
2)
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This breathing is used to begin with the left side (first intake)....
and ends with the outake of the left side (don't ask me why).
Is safe as long as you don't hold to much time.
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ok, until now i did contra start & finish on right side 
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If you are not very sure what you are doing,
stay with those two pranayamas
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that is the case so i'll gladly stay on this 2 
also i'm not so ethusiastic in children sense
(could not find better word in dictionary)
i do it as a body/mind hygiene,
but i would like 2 do it ok
what i ment as belly-work is that in this 2 pranayamas
i use full capacity of my lungs with start from bottom
of it so when inbrething firstly air goes into the bottom
(my stomach arises) and even when full inbreath
my chest are not larger (almost @ all)
also
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in my book on serbian there is no ch20
(different translation) so on
7.C. KAPALBHATI pranayama
is explained (also given table3 & graph)
explanation about active outbreath &
passive inbreath suits perfectly on that
how i breath until now, so because of
active outbreath volume of my lungs goes
below normal value after (total) outbreath
if that is ok on your opinion i
would continue with it 2 8)
thanx on book advices, if i find something of
it on next bookfair ill c 2 buy in case of sufficit of $ B)
in the meantime i'll read this 1
i found 1 more book on pranayama on
http://www.dlshq.org/download/pranayama.pdf
as well as other yoga bookz on
http://www.dlshq.org/download/download.htm
which was posted here on alt.yoga
maybe there is something 4 u in
case u have not been there yet
thank u much! 4 support
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> thanx on book advices, if i find something of
> it on next bookfair ill c 2 buy in case of sufficit of $ B)
> in the meantime i'll read this 1
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> i found 1 more book on pranayama on
> http://www.dlshq.org/download/pranayama.pdf
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> as well as other yoga bookz on
> http://www.dlshq.org/download/download.htm
>
Hello again:
The line you're trying to follow is the Satyananda's. Sivananda was the
guru of Satyananda, which means you're in the same line. Is a mixture
of Hatha yoga and other types of yoga and is also related to tantra
(the right hand tantra - this means that is the non-sex tantric
tradition).
You could also try the Iyengar's tradition. Is advantages is that is a
more pure type of hatha yoga, which is good for you, and his books and
schools are well spread all over the world.
The guru of Iyengar was Krishmacharya, and the main disciples of him
were
- Iyengar;
- Desikachar (Krishmacharya's son) - famous by is line =ABviniyoga=BB
- which is a form of yoga used to heal people (as treatment) - he
defends that each individual should have his own type of yoga;
- Pathabis Jois - The guru of =ABashtanga yoga=BB also called =ABPower
yoga=BB - the style of =ABVinyasa=BB - which is a form of dynamic yoga
that should be used only by healthy people: with a good spine and
without heart problem, among others.
If you succed in finding books by these authors are allways good
choices.
Moon
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| Pain Relief Meditation Yoga 2005-09-24, 2:25 pm |
| I've never read that book but Pranayama (breath regulation) is one of
the first steps in meditation so the basics is essentially slow, steady
breathing.
William Lee
'How To Overcome Pain Thru The POWER Of Meditation'
(Due to graphic images, viewer discretion is advised)
http://www.painrelief-meditation-yoga.com/TH/Enter.htm
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| See if you can find in the version of your book (my version is the
english - 2nd edition 2002):The number of the chapters given are of
this edition.
The pranayamas I know and I think are safe for you, are:
- 15 th - Basic breathing:
diaphragmatic or abdominal breathing - is good to calm down
You can do the other types in this capter as well
(don't hold the breath or hold just for a second or two)
- 18th - balancing pran - any one as long you don't do bandhas. There's
a table in my book - which means you can do the beginers level
- 19 th tranquilizing pran - any one: do everything is called basic.
Avoid everything is called advanced, and avoid also bandhas
- 20 th - vitalizing pran - any one: do everything is called basic.
Avoid everything is called advanced, and avoid also bandhas
- 21 st - pran for childreen - everything.....
- 22 nd - asana for pran - do whatever makes you feel confortable as
well as you column is straight.
- 23 rd - mudras - any you want
- 24 th - bandhas - forget...(for the time beeing)
- 25 th prana vydia - forget..(for the time beeing)
I use to do three prans before the session of asanas. An after the
session of pranayamas we use to rest in savasana or do yoga nidra.
Just to make sure, avoid generally:
- the items intermediate and advanced;
- bandhas;
- avoid kumbakas (holding) or hold during a very small amount of time.
Don't work with you're stomach or belly, usually the low breathing is
done with the diafragm. The more low is the breathing more calm us.
Moon
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| Correction:
I use to do three prans before the session of asanas. An after the
session of asanas we use to rest in savasana or do yoga nidra.
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| spacecrystal@gmail.com 2005-09-24, 2:25 pm |
| dear moon )
sorry i did not reply, was very! busy also in depression...
my book is 1st issue 1994 but printed 1996 in yugoslavia
(serbian lang.)
thanx now i plan 2 devote myself 2 reading of book & learning
so i'll try 2 concentrate on ch u suggested
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I use to do three prans before the session of asanas. An after the
session of pranayamas we use to rest in savasana or do yoga nidra.
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B) i planned 2 ask u about this in the meantime
because from my first yoga book (jasmina puljo - yoga)
{which i found btw very shallow book with almost pure physical excer.}
i learned not 2 do (or avoid) pranayama @ least 6h from pranayama
(if i remember well) although sometimes (rare) i do little pran. in the
middle of asana practice (while relaxation pause in any vertical
spinal-column asana), also i do thinking of practicing pranayama after
asana...
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>yoga nidra< i only knew what is this basicaly (relaxation technique)
but do not know correctly
2 me there is no need 2 say twice, i mostly appreciate! practical
advices
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Don't work with you're stomach or belly, usually the low breathing is
done with the diafragm. The more low is the breathing more calm us.
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the term "low breathing" i am not familiar with, but pressume that
u mean that air (energy-prana) entered through nose and through
the throat is carry in almost 2 the genitals or low belly (not
litteraly but
it feels like something like that)
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>The more low is the breathing more calm us<
i also noticed that & find it good thing, but the way i translated
what u wrote i am not sure that is positive or something
as "over-calm"
also i would like 2 ask u (but not sure if ok before reading of this
book)
do u - or better is it ok 2 practice pranayama while in stress,
depression,
bad emotional situation or something similar, until now i read that
it is not good 2 practice under that circumstances, also i found
similarity that when physical body is tempted it is not good 2 practice
it
also the right time of the day and such practical inf. or it is
individualy
as i alredy noted i c yoga in my life as a wonderful way of
physical/mental
relaxation and health-holder because i feel much more westener
(fortunately or not!) - point toward outer world in one sence (not
litteraly) so in some way
look on yoga as the cut-off from this rough world
so
i'm very sorry if bothering u with basic questions
also thank u much! for links u posted
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