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Is YOGA a PROFESSION ?
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| Some of the fellows here insist that nothing is wrong to charge money
in order to teach yoga...
But they should answer first of all the question "IS YOGA A
PROFESSION?"
If yoga is a profession then charging money to teach it might be
allright. But if yoga is completely different then you can not charge
money...
If yoga is a profession,then yoga can be
sold,advertised,bought,delivered,transported,make a little bit
lighter...Or condensed...Changed,distorted,stolen,manipulated as
wished. That means PATANJALI`s sutras can be thrown aside...
If so then all these are not YOGA at all!!!!!! it can be called as a
MARCHANDISE but not yoga!!!
Because there are keen rules in yoga.And yoga is not a piece of
MARCHANDISE!!!Without YAMA or NIYAMA it can not be YOGA!!!
That is why one can not charge money to teach yoga...If he/she does
that this means that he/she is not teaching yoga for sure...He/she is
certainly teaching something but what it is a merchandise that is
all...
With compassion,
Puma
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| Paul H 2005-08-19, 11:52 am |
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"puma" <puma@dowse.com> wrote in message
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> Some of the fellows here insist that nothing is wrong to charge money
> in order to teach yoga...
>
> But they should answer first of all the question "IS YOGA A
> PROFESSION?"
>
> If yoga is a profession then charging money to teach it might be
> allright. But if yoga is completely different then you can not charge
> money...
>
> If yoga is a profession,then yoga can be
> sold,advertised,bought,delivered,transported,make a little bit
> lighter...Or condensed...Changed,distorted,stolen,manipulated as
> wished. That means PATANJALI`s sutras can be thrown aside...
>
> If so then all these are not YOGA at all!!!!!! it can be called as a
> MARCHANDISE but not yoga!!!
>
> Because there are keen rules in yoga.And yoga is not a piece of
> MARCHANDISE!!!Without YAMA or NIYAMA it can not be YOGA!!!
>
> That is why one can not charge money to teach yoga...If he/she does
> that this means that he/she is not teaching yoga for sure...He/she is
> certainly teaching something but what it is a merchandise that is
> all...
>
> With compassion,
>
> Puma
If Someone teaches me Yoga, specifically Yama or Niyama, how does what I
have learned change if I pay for it?
Paul
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| Dave ©¿©¬ 2005-08-19, 5:59 pm |
| "puma" <puma@dowse.com> wrote in message
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> Some of the fellows here insist that nothing is wrong to charge money
> in order to teach yoga...
>
> But they should answer first of all the question "IS YOGA A
> PROFESSION?"
>
> If yoga is a profession then charging money to teach it might be
> allright. But if yoga is completely different then you can not charge
> money...
>
> If yoga is a profession,then yoga can be
> sold,advertised,bought,delivered,transported,make a little bit
> lighter...Or condensed...Changed,distorted,stolen,manipulated as
> wished. That means PATANJALI`s sutras can be thrown aside...
>
> If so then all these are not YOGA at all!!!!!! it can be called as a
> MARCHANDISE but not yoga!!!
>
> Because there are keen rules in yoga.And yoga is not a piece of
> MARCHANDISE!!!Without YAMA or NIYAMA it can not be YOGA!!!
>
> That is why one can not charge money to teach yoga...If he/she does
> that this means that he/she is not teaching yoga for sure...He/she is
> certainly teaching something but what it is a merchandise that is
> all...
>
> With compassion,
>
> Puma
Howdy Puma!
I would say no.
Then again... the way a person answers that question depends on the person's
perception of what yoga is!
IMO: The only way to answer the question is to first ask and answer the
question:
WHAT IS YOGA?
If we don't do that first, we are probably talking about apples and oranges.
Once there is an agreement (even if it's only hypthetical for the purpose of
discussion) then there are grounds for saying:
According to THIS definition of yoga -- it either is or isn't a profession.
--
Namaste
Dave ©¿©
"Ego sum quis ego sum quod ut est quicumque ego sum"
http://www.howdydave.com
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| omjaroo 2005-08-19, 5:59 pm |
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Yoga is Union. Yoga is the method to attain Union. I'm afraid the
question of "what is yoga" with regards to selling or giving it
away is a non-question. Yoga is whole and eternal and does not change
whether you sell it or give it away.
Of course yoga is/can be a profession. Yoga is/can be a product. This
is obvious to the point of being a silly question. Perhaps a couple of
helpful distinctions to make would be between a profession (a paid
vocation) and an avocation (a calling or hobby); or the difference
between a gift and a product.
There is a parallel of this issue in the "recovery" community.
There are those who are professionals and sell the service of
"recovery" from various addictions/compulsions/syndromes. These can
be doctors, lawyers, debt relief specialists, counselors, motivational
speakers/writers, etc. Then there are many more thousands of other
"recovering" individuals who's own recovery depends on
"giving" the gift of recovery to others who still suffer, as it was
once given to them. Each of these two groups has a function. Each will
perform in some aspects more effectively then the other. Both are good
and necessary.
You see some of us will only believe a "trained professional" and
have no faith in the knowledge of a "regular" person. Some of us
don't value what isn't paid for with cold hard cash. Others are
unable to accept a "gift", they must "pay" for everything so
they feel no indebtedness or vulnerability. Regardless of what
motivates the "professional" for some people they represent the
only access to recovery help they can respond to.
On the other hand there are others who distain all "authority" and
question the motivation and integrity of anyone who charges for their
services. Those who believe that only help given freely is genuine and
valuable; that no "money hungry professional" could ever know what
a "normal" person like them could be going through. For these
people only a kind and understanding word or gesture of another person
in recovery can pierce their wall of fear and touch them.
It all depends. How do you need/want your yoga? Do you want to learn it
from a "professional" who charges you for it or from a person who
has lived it, learned it and is delighted to give to you as a gift.
Jared
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omjaroo wrote:
> Yoga is Union. Yoga is the method to attain Union. I'm afraid the
> question of "what is yoga" with regards to selling or giving it
> away is a non-question. Yoga is whole and eternal and does not change
> whether you sell it or give it away.
>
> Of course yoga is/can be a profession. Yoga is/can be a product. This
> is obvious to the point of being a silly question. Perhaps a couple of
> helpful distinctions to make would be between a profession (a paid
> vocation) and an avocation (a calling or hobby); or the difference
> between a gift and a product.
>
> There is a parallel of this issue in the "recovery" community.
> There are those who are professionals and sell the service of
> "recovery" from various addictions/compulsions/syndromes. These can
> be doctors, lawyers, debt relief specialists, counselors, motivational
> speakers/writers, etc. Then there are many more thousands of other
> "recovering" individuals who's own recovery depends on
> "giving" the gift of recovery to others who still suffer, as it was
> once given to them. Each of these two groups has a function. Each will
> perform in some aspects more effectively then the other. Both are good
> and necessary.
>
> You see some of us will only believe a "trained professional" and
> have no faith in the knowledge of a "regular" person. Some of us
> don't value what isn't paid for with cold hard cash. Others are
> unable to accept a "gift", they must "pay" for everything so
> they feel no indebtedness or vulnerability. Regardless of what
> motivates the "professional" for some people they represent the
> only access to recovery help they can respond to.
>
> On the other hand there are others who distain all "authority" and
> question the motivation and integrity of anyone who charges for their
> services. Those who believe that only help given freely is genuine and
> valuable; that no "money hungry professional" could ever know what
> a "normal" person like them could be going through. For these
> people only a kind and understanding word or gesture of another person
> in recovery can pierce their wall of fear and touch them.
>
> It all depends. How do you need/want your yoga? Do you want to learn it
> from a "professional" who charges you for it or from a person who
> has lived it, learned it and is delighted to give to you as a gift.
>
> Jared
Hi Jared:
Lets make it short: if YOGA is UNION,then how is that possible to sell
this union to others with money? Here my logic states and shows that in
this case it is not yoga at all...Selling union to others with
money...
It must be a real advertorial issue...Boy\perhaps, I am getting crazy
who knows!!!
Sorry my logic can not take it in...
With compassion,
Puma
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| APARIGRAHA says YOU CAN NOT COLLECT ,so that is YAMA taht is NIYAMA if
these are these then you can not charge money to teach yoga!!!
Ohh my dear\it is a hard way to explain....
With respect,
Puma
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| Paul H 2005-08-19, 5:59 pm |
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>
>
> Lets make it short: if YOGA is UNION,then how is that possible to sell
> this union to others with money?
Union can not be sold, but the knowledge of how to attain union can be sold.
Paul
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| Paul H 2005-08-19, 5:59 pm |
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> APARIGRAHA says YOU CAN NOT COLLECT ,
I thought APARIGRAHA was about non-greed.
Paul
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| James O'Neill 2005-08-19, 5:59 pm |
| Damn, I didn't know.
I didn't know it was wrong to sell yoga.
You've got me.
I'd better take my copy of the Yoga Sutrus back
to Walterstones for a full refund and tell
them it's TOTALLY wrong. You can't sell that!
That's blasphemy. How dare you.
Don't worry though. I'll make sure I give them a
good telling off for you. I'll say, "What do you
think yoga is, a profession?"
Lets hope they don't throw the book aside.
With love and respect,
James O'Neill
"puma" <puma@dowse.com> wrote in message
news:1124458313.067319.7490@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Some of the fellows here insist that nothing is wrong to charge money
> in order to teach yoga...
>
> But they should answer first of all the question "IS YOGA A
> PROFESSION?"
>
> If yoga is a profession then charging money to teach it might be
> allright. But if yoga is completely different then you can not charge
> money...
>
> If yoga is a profession,then yoga can be
> sold,advertised,bought,delivered,transported,make a little bit
> lighter...Or condensed...Changed,distorted,stolen,manipulated as
> wished. That means PATANJALI`s sutras can be thrown aside...
>
> If so then all these are not YOGA at all!!!!!! it can be called as a
> MARCHANDISE but not yoga!!!
>
> Because there are keen rules in yoga.And yoga is not a piece of
> MARCHANDISE!!!Without YAMA or NIYAMA it can not be YOGA!!!
>
> That is why one can not charge money to teach yoga...If he/she does
> that this means that he/she is not teaching yoga for sure...He/she is
> certainly teaching something but what it is a merchandise that is
> all...
>
> With compassion,
>
> Puma
>
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| omjaroo 2005-08-19, 5:59 pm |
| Exactly! (Sort of...) Doesn't get any shorter then that :-)
Jared
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| omjaroo 2005-08-19, 10:55 pm |
| >Lets make it short: if YOGA is UNION, then how is that possible to sell
>this union to others with money?
The word yoga means Union. The word yoga also is the name for the
method to reach Union (yoga). I don=E2=80=99t know why, I didn=E2=80=99t in=
vent the
language. So one word, (Y)yoga, means the goal which is Union and the
means to that goal, which is called yoga.
Lets start with Yoga the goal, which is Union. Union (Yoga) can not be
sold. Not for all the money on the planet. It is impossible. Neither
can Union (Yoga) be attained, earned, learned, given, mastered, taught,
bought, sold or traded. That=E2=80=99s because Union (Yoga) is what is now.
It always has been and always will be. There is nowhere to go, nothing
to do, no change to be made, nothing to attain, Union is what is, now.
This is the biggest =E2=80=9Csecret=E2=80=9D in the universe (oh crap, and =
now
I=E2=80=99ve spilled the beans). You are there (here) now. You exist in Uni=
on
now. You=E2=80=99ve never been separated nor could you be. Period=E2=80=A6
However, all of the world (maya and our identification with the human
body-vehicle) tends to obscure this Fact (Truth) from you. This is
where Yoga (the science/method/religion/technique) comes in. Yoga is
the method by which we systematically, scientifically, spiritually,
strip away the illusions and lies of maya (the material world and its
symbolism) and =E2=80=9Crealize=E2=80=9D who and what we are, Now.
Information and techniques can be packaged and sold. These are
=E2=80=9Cthings=E2=80=9D, =E2=80=9Ccommodities=E2=80=9D like bread and wine.
I think that the real issue with you Puma is whether it is proper to
exchange the information and techniques of Union (yoga) for money.
Whether one as a serious practicing yogi could morally sell yoga
(method) in exchange for material property. One could ask the same
question of someone who sells food when everyone around them is
starving to death.
Is this the issue?
>Here my logic states and shows that in this case
>it is not yoga at all...Selling union to others with=E2=80=A8>money...
>It must be a real advertorial issue...Boy\perhaps,
>I am getting crazy who knows!!!
>Sorry my logic can not take it in...
Sounds wonderful ! Don=E2=80=99t resist. This is a good thing. Perhaps this
is the moment every jnani works/prays for when trained, practiced,
excellent and superior logic fails completely in the face of the Truth.
Relax, let go, let the little you surrender to the real you. Meditate.
Let go of life and logic and all the other bullshit and just be :-)
Jared
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| Shava_X 2005-08-19, 10:55 pm |
| On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 06:31:53 -0700, puma wrote:
> Some of the fellows here insist that nothing is wrong to charge money in
> order to teach yoga...
>
> But they should answer first of all the question "IS YOGA A PROFESSION?"
>
> If yoga is a profession then charging money to teach it might be
> allright. But if yoga is completely different then you can not charge
> money...
>
> If yoga is a profession,then yoga can be
> sold,advertised,bought,delivered,transported,make a little bit
> lighter...Or condensed...Changed,distorted,stolen,manipulated as wished.
> That means PATANJALI`s sutras can be thrown aside...
>
> If so then all these are not YOGA at all!!!!!! it can be called as a
> MARCHANDISE but not yoga!!!
>
> Because there are keen rules in yoga.And yoga is not a piece of
> MARCHANDISE!!!Without YAMA or NIYAMA it can not be YOGA!!!
>
> That is why one can not charge money to teach yoga...If he/she does that
> this means that he/she is not teaching yoga for sure...He/she is
> certainly teaching something but what it is a merchandise that is all...
>
> With compassion,
>
> Puma
Do You mean Yoga, or Hatha Yoga? Practice of Asanas is only one part of a
much larger whole.
Hatha Yoga was, to a large extent, introduced to the 'West' by
Orientalism, which viewed the East and its culture as a resource to mined.
Hatha Yoga was extracted from the rest of Yoga, and presented as its own
whole. Most people, when they think of Yoga, think only of the Asanas.
They may be aware of more mystical aspects associated with it, but they
are not concerned with that. All they want is the physical aspect, the
Asanas, and possibly some breathing exercises, in order to gain the
physical benefits : increased flexibility, reduced stress, lower blood
pressure, etc...
But even there, You must separate Hatha Yoga, what the West thinks of as
Yoga, and providing the service of teaching Yoga. If one practices Yoga
at home, performing a series of Asanas, who does one pay? no one. On the
other hand, if one wants instruction on how to properly perform the
various poses, how to connect them in sequence, etc... there are various
people willing to provide that service for a fee. Likewise, Math, and
teaching math, are not the same thing. Teaching Yoga, for profit or not,
is not the same thing as practicing Yoga...
To put it another way, Yoga as a whole, not just Hatha, is a path. There
is an old Zen saying that states a path can not be taught, only taken. A
person a can tell another what a path entails, what they must do in order
to follow that path, what obstacles they find and how best to overcome
them, but only the person can take that path. You can pay as much or as
little for information about the path, but having the information is not
the same as following the path ...
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| hbkta@aol.com 2005-08-20, 11:51 am |
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James O'Neill wrote:
> Damn, I didn't know.
>
> I didn't know it was wrong to sell yoga.
>
> You've got me.
>
> I'd better take my copy of the Yoga Sutrus back
> to Walterstones for a full refund and tell
> them it's TOTALLY wrong. You can't sell that!
> That's blasphemy. How dare you.
No need to return the book.
Walterstones sold you a book, not yoga.
The yoga part of the deal can be considered free, since nobody is
sending Patanjali any of book royalties.
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>
> Don't worry though. I'll make sure I give them a
> good telling off for you. I'll say, "What do you
> think yoga is, a profession?"
>
> Lets hope they don't throw the book aside.
>
>
> With love and respect,
>
> James O'Neill
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "puma" <puma@dowse.com> wrote in message
> news:1124458313.067319.7490@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
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| My dear LILASHI,
And finally you got me here.Forget about your English ,just try to be
yourselve as always you are. Your wording always splendid and
wonderfull,for instance your saying like "MIND PEELED PEOPLE",I do not
know how you get these and all the others...
As you will find out shortly all the friends here are all well educated
and philosophical people. I love them, most of the time I act in a very
selfish or a very stupid way,by putting a sily question but these kind
people try to understand my way of action, WHY I do this!!!!!!As my
good body JARED always shows his nice temper and understanding. And all
the others as HOWDY DAVE and many others...So we are a family here we
all love YOGA actually and we talk everything also as yoga is a way of
living style....
I hope you will love this kind, and compassionate community and will
not find the strength to depart for a short time either...
WELCOME LILASHI AMONG US...
PUMA
lilashi wrote:
> hi 
> Iam here and I like to see you here puma and your nick is
> unbelieveable hehehehe
> ok lets write in here to express and develop my english
>
> I dont know what to write as a signature sentence
> lets write now
> thats goog isnt it ?
>
> lets write now
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| James O'Neill 2005-08-20, 10:54 pm |
| )
But should Walterstones be allowed to sell information about Yoga. Isn't
that being greedy?
I mean it can't get any worse can it- people selling information about
information, about Yoga. That must be a sin of the highest order!
<hbkta@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> James O'Neill wrote:
>
> No need to return the book.
> Walterstones sold you a book, not yoga.
> The yoga part of the deal can be considered free, since nobody is
> sending Patanjali any of book royalties.
>
>
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| hbkta@aol.com 2005-08-20, 10:54 pm |
| now that could be.
Perhaps someone with a "cushy" government job could voluteer to read
the yoga books out loud.
He could them be paid for the sound of his voice with the sound of the
patron's money.
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| Dave ©¿©¬ 2005-08-20, 10:54 pm |
| That's easy...
Walterstones can sell anything they want because they are not yogis!
--
Namaste
Dave ©¿©
"Ego sum quis ego sum quod ut est quicumque ego sum"
http://www.howdydave.com
"James O'Neill" <mrukjames@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> )
> But should Walterstones be allowed to sell information about Yoga. Isn't
> that being greedy?
>
> I mean it can't get any worse can it- people selling information about
> information, about Yoga. That must be a sin of the highest order!
>
> <hbkta@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1124556122.999324.154430@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
money[vbcol=seagreen]
charge[vbcol=seagreen]
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| omjaroo 2005-08-20, 10:54 pm |
| That was easy, wasn't it?
Jared
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| Sevenhundred Elves 2005-08-21, 5:54 pm |
| puma wrote:
> APARIGRAHA says YOU CAN NOT COLLECT ,so that is YAMA taht is NIYAMA if
> these are these then you can not charge money to teach yoga!!!
>
> Ohh my dear\it is a hard way to explain....
>
> With respect,
>
> Puma
It is true that a yogi shoyld abide by Aparigraha, live in contentment
and avoid hoarding of goods and wealth, and also not be attracted to
such material things.
Still, if someone is really good at teaching yoga, wouldn't it be good
if he could teach most of the time? Instead of working at the mill,
perhaps, or being a butcher or whatever. He can't teach as much if he
isn't paid for his time, except if he is independently wealthy and
doesn't have to work for money.
As long as he doesn't charge unreasonably much, and as long as he also
teaches yoga for free, when needed, he is neither hoarding wealth
(that's what aparigraha is about, non-miserliness) nor perverting yoga.
He is just doing his job and getting a reasonable living out of it.
In the end, it's up to the individual to decide which compromises he
will find necessary.
S.
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| Lilashi,
Why don`t you open an subject matter regarding TAI-YOGA for instance,
or Reverse Breathing technique...Or any other. Because I know very well
that you are an expert on tai-chi,and tai-yoga also...
With compassion,
Puma
lilashi wrote:[vbcol=seagreen]
> Puma
> Yes sometimes I find right words at thew right time...Even if by
> their self alone they mean different when I use them in a kind of word
> they mean a lot hehehe ...Like GARBAGE MEN!...
> Yesterday I started to read a book from Sarte...The name is
> L'EXISTENTIALISME est un humanisme...Sarte is giving answers to all
> crazy questions and blames who he she are against his way and
> teaching...You now I sometimes find books which really express the way
> I live and love That book is meeee!!!!
> If I write a book it would be that and there are dialogues in the book
> which reminded me a cafe that we used to write with several GARBAGE
> MEN(human being) hehehehehehehe
> Well now I can express myself as existentialist (is this a correct
> spelling ? )
> So...I am happy to meet you here...And reading your writtings...Hey
> sometimes I want to fight and argue Puma!!!! but it seems a bit
> impossible with you...We have to find subjects which we do have a
> different opinions about
>
> lilashi
> puma yazdi:
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| Dave ©¿©¬ 2005-08-22, 9:04 am |
| "omjaroo" <omjaroo@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> That was easy, wasn't it?
>
> Jared
>
Yup...
Now for the next step:
Being a yogi imposes a "code of ethics" upon a person
BUT...
It does not give that person a right to impose it upon others.
--
Namaste
Dave ©¿©
"Ego sum quis ego sum quod ut est quicumque ego sum"
http://www.howdydave.com
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| lilashi 2005-08-22, 9:04 am |
| I am not an expert of anything puma ... I still practise and believe
me I am not practising nowadays...I am a bad student most of the
times...Need some discipline...But ok I will open a subject...But I do
not think that we will have different opinions about this subject :9
somehow I think that you know also about tai chi a lot...but I do not
know why I think so...May be because of your words...But ok let me open
a subject...
puma yazdi:[vbcol=seagreen]
> Lilashi,
>
> Why don`t you open an subject matter regarding TAI-YOGA for instance,
> or Reverse Breathing technique...Or any other. Because I know very well
> that you are an expert on tai-chi,and tai-yoga also...
>
> With compassion,
>
> Puma
> lilashi wrote:
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| Paul H 2005-08-22, 9:04 am |
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>
> I mean it can't get any worse can it- people selling information about
> information, about Yoga. That must be a sin of the highest order!
>
They should suffer death by a thousand pumas
;o)
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| omjaroo 2005-08-22, 11:58 am |
| >Being a yogi imposes a "code of ethics" upon a person
Whoaa, I think we missed that one :-)
It's about "accepting" or "using" not "imposing." Yoga is not a
religion, it is a tool.
Jared
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| Dave ©¿©¬ 2005-08-22, 11:58 am |
| "omjaroo" <omjaroo@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Whoaa, I think we missed that one :-)
>
> It's about "accepting" or "using" not "imposing." Yoga is not a
> religion, it is a tool.
>
> Jared
>
How about "self imposition" then?
There is a word of difference between:
"being a yogi imposes a code of ethics upon a person"
and
"yoga imposes a code of ethics"
That "code of ethics" is according to the yogi's light.
That any better?
--
Namaste
Dave ©¿©
"Ego sum quis ego sum quod ut est quicumque ego sum"
http://www.howdydave.com
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| omjaroo 2005-08-22, 5:53 pm |
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Impose whether it is self-imposed or not doesn't work for me with
regards to Yoga.
I looked up the word "impose" in the Thesaurus that comes with
MSWord. Listed as synonyms (words that are similar or the same) for
"impose" are; inflict, oblige, compel, force, impress. Notably
these are all things that come from outside a person.
Then I looked up the word "accept". The synonyms are: believe,
recognize, agree to, admit, acknowledge. Equally interesting is these
are all things that come from inside a person.
Big difference, don't you think?
I think you can say yoga supposes a code of ethics; requires a code of
ethics; necessitates a code of ethics. Then you are describing a
quality that is related to the yoga system itself. You can also say
that yoga, teaches, conveys, expounds, demonstrates or establishes a
code of ethics. Then you are speaking about an effect or result of the
yoga system.
But like a rake or shovel, yoga is a tool that won't do anything
until an individual makes a choice to use it. Far from being
prerequisites, Yama/niyama can be/are the fruit of a diligent yoga
practice. If they weren't we'd all be f*cked before we even started
:-)
Jared
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| omjaroo 2005-08-22, 5:53 pm |
| >They should suffer death by a thousand pumas
But that would be casting pearls to the swine! How about death by a
thousand televisions, newspapers and answering machines? :-)
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| Dave ©¿©¬ 2005-08-22, 5:53 pm |
| "omjaroo" <omjaroo@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Impose whether it is self-imposed or not doesn't work for me with
> regards to Yoga.
>
> I looked up the word "impose" in the Thesaurus that comes with
> MSWord. Listed as synonyms (words that are similar or the same) for
> "impose" are; inflict, oblige, compel, force, impress. Notably
> these are all things that come from outside a person.
>
> Then I looked up the word "accept". The synonyms are: believe,
> recognize, agree to, admit, acknowledge. Equally interesting is these
> are all things that come from inside a person.
>
> Big difference, don't you think?
>
> I think you can say yoga supposes a code of ethics; requires a code of
> ethics; necessitates a code of ethics. Then you are describing a
> quality that is related to the yoga system itself. You can also say
> that yoga, teaches, conveys, expounds, demonstrates or establishes a
> code of ethics. Then you are speaking about an effect or result of the
> yoga system.
>
> But like a rake or shovel, yoga is a tool that won't do anything
> until an individual makes a choice to use it. Far from being
> prerequisites, Yama/niyama can be/are the fruit of a diligent yoga
> practice. If they weren't we'd all be f*cked before we even started
> :-)
>
> Jared
>
Howdy Jared!
I'm talking about the end results, not prerequisits.
"Fruits of voluntary the labor."
But I can live with "supposes a code of ethics."
--
Namaste
Dave ©¿©
"Ego sum quis ego sum quod ut est quicumque ego sum"
http://www.howdydave.com
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| Dave ©¿©¬ 2005-08-22, 5:53 pm |
| "omjaroo" <omjaroo@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> But that would be casting pearls to the swine! How about death by a
> thousand televisions, newspapers and answering machines? :-)
>
Naaa...
Some folks consider them to be luxuries!
How about "death by a thousand telemarketers?"
--
Namaste
Dave ©¿©
"Ego sum quis ego sum quod ut est quicumque ego sum"
http://www.howdydave.com
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| Dave ©¿©¬ 2005-08-22, 5:53 pm |
| "omjaroo" <omjaroo@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Impose whether it is self-imposed or not doesn't work for me with
> regards to Yoga.
>
> I looked up the word "impose" in the Thesaurus that comes with
> MSWord. Listed as synonyms (words that are similar or the same) for
> "impose" are; inflict, oblige, compel, force, impress. Notably
> these are all things that come from outside a person.
>
> Then I looked up the word "accept". The synonyms are: believe,
> recognize, agree to, admit, acknowledge. Equally interesting is these
> are all things that come from inside a person.
>
> Big difference, don't you think?
>
> I think you can say yoga supposes a code of ethics; requires a code of
> ethics; necessitates a code of ethics. Then you are describing a
> quality that is related to the yoga system itself. You can also say
> that yoga, teaches, conveys, expounds, demonstrates or establishes a
> code of ethics. Then you are speaking about an effect or result of the
> yoga system.
>
> But like a rake or shovel, yoga is a tool that won't do anything
> until an individual makes a choice to use it. Far from being
> prerequisites, Yama/niyama can be/are the fruit of a diligent yoga
> practice. If they weren't we'd all be f*cked before we even started
> :-)
>
> Jared
>
I was thinking of "imposed" more like the imposition of a "superimposed
categorical framework."
--
Namaste
Dave ©¿©
"Ego sum quis ego sum quod ut est quicumque ego sum"
http://www.howdydave.com
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| omjaroo 2005-08-22, 5:53 pm |
| Where's your compassion man? That would be a death too horrible to
contemplate :-)
Jared
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| hbkta@aol.com 2005-08-22, 10:55 pm |
| Then again, maybe we have to consult some authority to verify that all
aspects of all activity at Walterstones are in fact "proper" jobs.
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| Paul H 2005-08-23, 8:55 am |
|
> Where's your compassion man? That would be a death too horrible to
> contemplate :-)
>
> Jared
>
LOL :O)
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| Sevenhundred Elves 2005-08-25, 5:56 pm |
| Dave ©¿©¬ wrote:
> "omjaroo" <omjaroo@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1124595587.125394.20520@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Yup...
>
> Now for the next step:
>
> Being a yogi imposes a "code of ethics" upon a person
>
> BUT...
>
> It does not give that person a right to impose it upon others.
You have a flare for expressing things with few words. I couldn't have
said it better myself, even at my best.
Namaste
S.
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